January 20th, 2025 at 4:26:32 PM
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I have this info from Eliot Jacobsen.
9 over 7 (natural 9)
Wins and pays 50-to-1 if the result of the hand is that one hand is either Player natural 9, Banker = 7 or Player = 7, Banker natural 9.
House edge: 8.103%
Use tags: (0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, -5, 1, -5, 1)
Trigger true count: +6
Bet frequency: 14.33%
Average edge: 10.85%
Units won per 100 hands: 1.56
My casino puts the cut card at 1 deck though, but will this change winrate to per 100 hands, and bet frequency or edge? but most imporantly win per/100 hands?
9 over 7 (natural 9)
Wins and pays 50-to-1 if the result of the hand is that one hand is either Player natural 9, Banker = 7 or Player = 7, Banker natural 9.
House edge: 8.103%
Use tags: (0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, -5, 1, -5, 1)
Trigger true count: +6
Bet frequency: 14.33%
Average edge: 10.85%
Units won per 100 hands: 1.56
My casino puts the cut card at 1 deck though, but will this change winrate to per 100 hands, and bet frequency or edge? but most imporantly win per/100 hands?
January 20th, 2025 at 5:06:12 PM
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Quote: Runlikegod777I have this info from Eliot Jacobsen.
9 over 7 (natural 9)
Wins and pays 50-to-1 if the result of the hand is that one hand is either Player natural 9, Banker = 7 or Player = 7, Banker natural 9.
House edge: 8.103%
Use tags: (0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, -5, 1, -5, 1)
Trigger true count: +6
Bet frequency: 14.33%
Average edge: 10.85%
Units won per 100 hands: 1.56
My casino puts the cut card at 1 deck though, but will this change winrate to per 100 hands, and bet frequency or edge? but most imporantly win per/100 hands?
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Runlikegod777,
Unfortunately yes: reduced pen will decrease all three of these metrics.
Is your game 6 decks or 8?
Dog Hand
January 21st, 2025 at 12:23:51 AM
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8 decks, do you know what the winrate per 100 hands woudl be?
January 21st, 2025 at 8:17:02 AM
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8 deck
pen = 7.5 deck(78.85 rounds/shoe)
House edge: 8.10321%
Use tags: (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, -5, 1, -5, 1)
Trigger RC >= +35
Bet frequency: 17.09%(13.478 hands/shoe)
Average edge: 7.546%
Units won per shoe: 1.017
I prefer to use running count.
pen = 7.5 deck(78.85 rounds/shoe)
House edge: 8.10321%
Use tags: (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, -5, 1, -5, 1)
Trigger RC >= +35
Bet frequency: 17.09%(13.478 hands/shoe)
Average edge: 7.546%
Units won per shoe: 1.017
I prefer to use running count.
January 21st, 2025 at 10:28:25 AM
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how about with pen 7 decks, (they cut off 1 deck).
Also ace is 0 in count right to be balanced or no?
Also ace is 0 in count right to be balanced or no?
January 21st, 2025 at 2:14:42 PM
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Quote: Runlikegod777how about with pen 7 decks, (they cut off 1 deck).
Also ace is 0 in count right to be balanced or no?
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8 deck
pen = 7 deck(72.59 rounds/shoe)
House edge: 8.10321%
Use tags: (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, -5, 1, -5, 1), unbalanced counting system
Trigger RC >= +37
Bet frequency: 13.74%(9.974 hands/shoe)
Average edge: 6.346%
Units won per shoe: 0.633
Units won per 100 rounds: 0.872
Last edited by: ssho88 on Jan 21, 2025
January 22nd, 2025 at 11:35:31 AM
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Quote: Runlikegod7778 decks, do you know what the winrate per 100 hands woudl be?
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Runlikegod777,
I simmed 1 million shoes of Baccarat using the number of decks and cut offs (including the odd "burn cards" rule), along with the sidebet tags and TC trigger you mentioned.
The overall edge for the SB is 7.53% and its play frequency is 11.83%. The units won per 100 hands is
(0.0753 units won/bet)*(0.1183 bets/round)*(100 rounds) = 0.890799 units (not shown below).
As I predicted, all three measures fall below those of the "14 card cutoff" sim results from teliot:
Bet frequency: 14.33%
Average edge: 10.85%
Units won per 100 hands: 1.56
The table shows the TC distribution for +6 & up, along with the number of SB wins at each TC and the SB EV.
Here are the results (with a huge thanks to fellow WoV member miplet for his table maker!):
Baccarat Natural 9 vs. 7 pays 50:1 | |||||||
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Shoes | 1,000,000 | Rounds | 72,645,419 | Percents | |||
Decks | 8 | Banker | 33,324,669 | 45.87% | |||
Cut Off | 52 | Player | 32,408,206 | 44.61% | |||
SB Trigger | 6 | Ties | 6,912,544 | 9.52% | |||
Tags | SB Plays | 8,592,616 | 11.83% | ||||
2 | 1 | SB Wins | 181,171 | 0.25% | 7.53% | ||
3 | 1 | TC | SB Plays | SB Wins | SB EV | ||
4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | #DIV/0! | ||
5 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | #DIV/0! | ||
6 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | #DIV/0! | ||
7 | -5 | 3 | 0 | 0 | #DIV/0! | ||
8 | 1 | 4 | 0 | 0 | #DIV/0! | ||
9 | -5 | 5 | 0 | 0 | #DIV/0! | ||
X | 1 | 6 | 1,691,711 | 33,589 | 1.26% | ||
A | 0 | 7 | 1,304,031 | 26,261 | 2.71% | ||
8 | 1,076,213 | 21,973 | 4.13% | ||||
minTC | 0 | 9 | 836,271 | 17,566 | 7.13% | ||
maxTC | 30 | 10 | 687,441 | 14,399 | 6.82% | ||
11 | 540,684 | 11,484 | 8.32% | ||||
12 | 478,243 | 10,511 | 12.09% | ||||
13 | 336,894 | 7,494 | 13.45% | ||||
14 | 302,279 | 6,659 | 12.35% | ||||
15 | 237,697 | 5,243 | 12.49% | ||||
16 | 202,579 | 4,443 | 11.85% | ||||
17 | 162,158 | 3,644 | 14.61% | ||||
18 | 135,833 | 3,125 | 17.33% | ||||
19 | 107,020 | 2,498 | 19.04% | ||||
20 | 93,330 | 2,195 | 19.95% | ||||
21 | 72,502 | 1,758 | 23.66% | ||||
22 | 60,228 | 1,443 | 22.19% | ||||
23 | 48,961 | 1,208 | 25.83% | ||||
24 | 41,909 | 1,079 | 31.31% | ||||
25 | 28,566 | 715 | 27.65% | ||||
26 | 32,353 | 816 | 28.63% | ||||
27 | 21,294 | 499 | 19.51% | ||||
28 | 18,926 | 479 | 29.08% | ||||
29 | 14,442 | 381 | 34.55% | ||||
30 | 61,051 | 1,709 | 42.76% | ||||
Hope this helps!
Dog Hand
February 14th, 2025 at 3:17:35 AM
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I found a better casino that has 1/2 deck penetration, standard burn cards, no collection fee, would you be able to run that same sim with this info now? Would be greatly grealty appreciated