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February 9th, 2024 at 5:02:49 PM permalink
The theory i have to beat roulette is as follows:
- Every spin is completely random and unrelated to the last.

- Experienced roulette dealers will develop a 'spin' after years of playing. This spin is pretty much exactly the same each game.

- Casinos allow you to bet after the ball is in motion.

This means it is not a fully random guessing game, it can be predicted and beat.

If you pay close attention to the number of rotations, the number the ball departs from, and the speed that the wheel is turning, you could successfully predict which section of the wheel the ball will land. (or perhaps even within a few numbers)

Practice & measurements:

First you must find a dealer with said experience, new dealers will not be consistent.
Then, you must collect data on the dealer.

- How many rotations the wheel makes every 10 seconds
- The amount of rotations the ball makes before landing
- The number the ball departs from and where it ends up landing.
- The size of the ball they are using (i've heard some casinos will switch balls)

It's also worth noting, with this strategy betting on sections of the wheel would be most effective. I find casinos worldwide have started removing sector bets from the roulette table. This IMO confirms my theory. Obviously you can still manually place these bets.

All this is just Theory, exciting theory at that.
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February 9th, 2024 at 5:36:34 PM permalink
Already been done, with success I might add, its called Visual Ballistics.
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February 9th, 2024 at 5:45:01 PM permalink
Quote: RINSED

The theory i have to beat roulette is as follows:
- Every spin is completely random and unrelated to the last.

- Experienced roulette dealers will develop a 'spin' after years of playing. This spin is pretty much exactly the same each game.

- Casinos allow you to bet after the ball is in motion.

This means it is not a fully random guessing game, it can be predicted and beat.

If you pay close attention to the number of rotations, the number the ball departs from, and the speed that the wheel is turning, you could successfully predict which section of the wheel the ball will land. (or perhaps even within a few numbers)

Practice & measurements:

First you must find a dealer with said experience, new dealers will not be consistent.
Then, you must collect data on the dealer.

- How many rotations the wheel makes every 10 seconds
- The amount of rotations the ball makes before landing
- The number the ball departs from and where it ends up landing.
- The size of the ball they are using (i've heard some casinos will switch balls)

It's also worth noting, with this strategy betting on sections of the wheel would be most effective. I find casinos worldwide have started removing sector bets from the roulette table. This IMO confirms my theory. Obviously you can still manually place these bets.

All this is just Theory, exciting theory at that.
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what you are saying is not a theory these are actual issues

but your wrong about being able to beat it because the roulette industry has "decoupled" ALL the spins variables by creating a variable that is actually completely random

roulette is not random at all because it needs help to be random

its called random rotor speed get smarter dude



https://www.cammegh.com/our-products/roulette-wheels/mercury-360-rrs/

Quote:

The Random Rotor Speed (RRS) feature increases a gameís unpredictability to protect against wheel clocking and advantage play.

This example shows rotor deceleration during two test games on the same wheel, with RRS active. The rotor speeds are identical until ĎPlace Your Betsí, at which point RRS begins to exert its contactless influence and imperceptibly slow down the rotors. The magnitude of the effect is randomised so no two games are the same.

In the example here, when the results are called, the rotors have deviated by 19 and 25 pockets Ė well over half a revolution.



notice how they have to imperceptibly slow down aka DECEPTIVELY trick you into thinking a roulette wheel is only a roulette wheel by itself without help to make it random

and yet i can almost bet your going to take my warning as a challenge... so this is the last time i post in this thread

have fun because i can almost bet youve dedicated alot of time toward this... as have i only to find out i was being DECEPTIVELY CHEATED

most of the experts on here disagree with me though about the cheating
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February 9th, 2024 at 7:59:14 PM permalink
Are you talking about standard roulette wheels because I've been around when the European roulette wheels in Vegas high limit salons were being serviced and I've noticed no sign of anything other than a precision balanced manual wheel.

Just because you read about something doesn't mean it's in play, at least I'm not aware of this RRS feature at any casino I am at regularly.

Obviously the casinos this guy plays at don't use RRS.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/36647-the-adventures-of-mdawg-ii/65/#post886187
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February 9th, 2024 at 8:51:18 PM permalink
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Just because you read about something doesn't mean it's in play, at least I'm not aware of this RRS feature at any casino I am at regularly.

Obviously the casinos this guy plays at don't use RRS.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/36647-the-adventures-of-mdawg-ii/65/#post886187
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How would you be aware of an "imperceptible" effect?

More practically, which brand and model of wheel are they using?
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February 9th, 2024 at 9:16:06 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

Quote: MDawg


Just because you read about something doesn't mean it's in play, at least I'm not aware of this RRS feature at any casino I am at regularly.

Obviously the casinos this guy plays at don't use RRS.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/36647-the-adventures-of-mdawg-ii/65/#post886187
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How would you be aware of an "imperceptible" effect?

More practically, which brand and model of wheel are they using?
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There are two ways of doing it - magnets and the other way I have no clue I think it has to do with the bearing of the wheel

And go ahead Mdawg say what you say but I can almost bet that not a single person has ever seen this feature even casino staff

But lol go ahead keep doubting that a company that pays for the patent and advertises it on its website that itís never sold a single version of that and itís not on any wheels even though they have updated that website frequently

Your such a funny dude and I canít believe someone who claims to be any type of professional in any way even hangs out here just to brag and argue with peons such as myself even though I am the one who has more proof of what is happening in my argument than you.

Matter of fact you canít be a lawyer you donít even speak like one

Go play some baccarat you old fart
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February 9th, 2024 at 9:53:37 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

How would you be aware of an "imperceptible" effect?

More practically, which brand and model of wheel are they using?
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I'm not a roulette player.

But I am quite mechanically inclined and I've looked inside the roulette wheels closely when they have been serviced, either while they were working on them or while a table was left unattended partially disassembled and there was nothing in there but a balanced wheel. It just spins around freely on that spindle there isn't anything else to it.

For example if you saw this being taken apart would you assume there is some mechanism in there to slow it down or that there is not such a mechanism in there?



If you wanted to know exactly what to look for you'd need to find the Cammegh patent, that's one thing about Heatmap's conspiracy theory posts they are generally grossly incomplete as far as researching what exactly the mentioned device even is. Just some vague mention of "magnets" or having "no clue" how it's done and then assuming that casinos just about everywhere must be utilizing whatever is mentioned.

By the way, take a look at this video



especially starting around 3 minutes and it describes something like what appeared to happen to Hooker.

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February 10th, 2024 at 2:23:16 AM permalink
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Matter of fact you canít be a lawyer you donít even speak like one

Go play some baccarat you old fart
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That's 3 days for personal insult.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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February 10th, 2024 at 2:51:36 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Quote: Dieter

How would you be aware of an "imperceptible" effect?

More practically, which brand and model of wheel are they using?
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I'm not a roulette player.

But I am quite mechanically inclined and I've looked inside the roulette wheels closely when they have been serviced, either while they were working on them or while a table was left unattended partially disassembled and there was nothing in there but a balanced wheel. It just spins around freely on that spindle there isn't anything else to it.
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A flywheel magneto (as used for ignition on simple engines) doesn't look like much, and can be hidden in the stator (tub) side. An eddy current brake can look like even less.

I gave a quick look (more than my usual 9 seconds, but not much) for Cammegh patents, nothing from 2017 jumped out at me.
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February 10th, 2024 at 3:41:44 AM permalink
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Already been done, with success I might add, its called Visual Ballistics.
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Absolutely correct!
This was done many many years ago and experts took Millions from the table. especially in Europe.
all depends on the wheel ( Caro wheel was a very easy one) and that casinos let you bet after the ball was out and running. it took them long to believe that it is possible but eventually they changed the rules and wheels and did accept bets only before the ball was running.

Today it is almost impossible.
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February 11th, 2024 at 4:09:26 PM permalink
To be entirely honest, this is just a theory, I have not spent much time playing roulette at all. Thank you for teaching me about RRS.
Even with RRS, can it not be predicted?

The way i would approach this is breakdown the different speeds into a set of categories. Then, i'd create a set of deviations, kind of like a card counter for the different speeds, on where the ball will land.

At the end of the day, you are still allowed to place bets after the ball is in motion, and dealers are still consistent, so, if you can successfully clock the RRS, you can still win.
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February 11th, 2024 at 4:53:50 PM permalink
As I understand, RRS slows the rotor an unpredictable amount. Think about a car using the brakes lightly for one moment, or maybe two moments, or maybe 6 moments. How fast will the car be going after the brakes are released?

If you can predict the unpredictable... you're really onto something.

There might be wheels not using RRS, but... how would you know? (Are you familiar enough with roulette wheel designs to recognize models that predate RRS?)

Despite me sounding like a naysayer, I do wish you the best of luck at this.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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February 12th, 2024 at 1:20:22 AM permalink
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To be entirely honest, this is just a theory, I have not spent much time playing roulette at all. Thank you for teaching me about RRS.
Even with RRS, can it not be predicted?

The way i would approach this is breakdown the different speeds into a set of categories. Then, i'd create a set of deviations, kind of like a card counter for the different speeds, on where the ball will land.

At the end of the day, you are still allowed to place bets after the ball is in motion, and dealers are still consistent, so, if you can successfully clock the RRS, you can still win.
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You are on a hiding to nothing. Consider the practicalities and the variables:-

For every characteristic of the spin, there are so many variables.

Does the dealer spin the ball in an alternate direction each time? There will be a different set of parameters/characteristics for clockwise/anti-clockwise spin
Does the dealer move to another table every 30 mins or so? Each table will have it's own characteristics. Are you following the table or the dealer?
Does the dealer change wheel spin speed as he gets tired?
Does the dealer change ball spin speed as he gets tired?
Does the ball get switched out occasionally? The balls possibly have different weight or construction.
And, of course RRS
That's to get us started.....

So. Find one dealer who's consistent. Always plays at the same wheel. Only observe the first 30 mins of his shift, so you rule out tiredness. Keep wholly separate data for clockwise and anti-clockwise spins. Make your notes and observations un-noticed and without getting moved on. When you've figured out his pattern, over a number of shifts, come back with your chips (and lose them)

The roulette wheel really is 'random enough' to stop you improving your chances even with visual ballistics. With scientifically designed VB computer in laboratory conditions, you may get a slight improvement in hit rate, but you need to beat the house edge of maybe 5.26% The casino won't give you laboratory conditions and won't allow device assistance.

Dream on. In >200 years, don't you think others have tried this. The casinos still offer the game.
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February 12th, 2024 at 7:21:16 AM permalink
I honestly don't get why Heatmap called Mdawg an old fart. Mdawg is a Millennial, so he's not old.
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February 12th, 2024 at 10:38:21 AM permalink
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Dream on. In >200 years, don't you think others have tried this. The casinos still offer the game.




Now that's a funny post. Is BJ still around? Evidently you're unaware of the risk consultant conventions.
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