Baccarat Coach's Challenge
Quote: MDawgQuote: MDawgIt is after all $20,000. $10,000. a week. But not every week. 😅
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That you still don't get or accept how ridiculous and meaningless such a claim is, contradicts any claims of sharp shooting math calculations.
I might find a penny on the ground a few days a year. So then I claim, "I find a penny a day?" How silly would I sound making such a claim once I explained that no, I meant, "not every day."
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I bill $360 per hour.
Not every hour is billable.
Quote: darkoz
There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year
Eventually that claim was debunked.
MDawg doesn't get it. Apparently never will.
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Where did I (or anyone else) claim to beat Baccarat every day of every week of every year?
Where was this claim "to beat Baccarat every day of every week of every year" debunked.
I challenge you to produce your proof, I believe that you are not being truthful here. If it turns out that you are being untruthful, what is the penalty?
Quote: MDawgQuote: darkoz
There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year
Eventually that claim was debunked.
MDawg doesn't get it. Apparently never will.
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Where did I (or anyone else) claim to beat Baccarat every day of every week of every year?
Where was this claim "to beat Baccarat every day of every week of every year" debunked.
I challenge you to produce your proof, I believe that you are not being truthful here. If it turns out that you are being untruthful, what is the penalty?
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Where do I claim to make $20,000 EVERY week?
For that matter Where did I say I was talking about you?
Now, get back to providing the proof for your statement above.
Quote: MDawgThe point is that your statement "I make $20,000. $10,000. a week" is meaningless.
Now, get back to providing the proof for your statement above.
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First provide the proof that the statement I make $10,000 a week but not every week is meaningless
Quote: DieterQuote: MDawgQuote: MDawgIt is after all $20,000. $10,000. a week. But not every week. 😅
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That you still don't get or accept how ridiculous and meaningless such a claim is, contradicts any claims of sharp shooting math calculations.
I might find a penny on the ground a few days a year. So then I claim, "I find a penny a day?" How silly would I sound making such a claim once I explained that no, I meant, "not every day."
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I bill $360 per hour.
Not every hour is billable.
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Then you aren't doing it right.
Quote: darkozQuote: MDawgThe point is that your statement "I make $20,000. $10,000. a week" is meaningless.
Now, get back to providing the proof for your statement above.
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First provide the proof that the statement I make $10,000 a week but not every week is meaningless
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Plain English.
Quote: MDawgQuote: darkozQuote: MDawgThe point is that your statement "I make $20,000. $10,000. a week" is meaningless.
Now, get back to providing the proof for your statement above.
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First provide the proof that the statement I make $10,000 a week but not every week is meaningless
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Plain English..
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Your inability to understand plain English isn't my problem.
I made $10,000 last week.
This week I made nothing.
This is repeated on a regular basis.
I make $10,000 a week but not every week.
Quote: billryanQuote: Dieter
I bill $360 per hour.
Not every hour is billable.
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Then you aren't doing it right.
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Interesting idea.
Being a bit lazy, I rather enjoy not working every hour of every day of every week.
Quote: SOOPOOBack to Mental. I think his self analysis of what his ‘super piwer’ is, is SPOT ON.
I lack that superpower. I’m getting better at accepting losses when I know the bet was ‘good’, but I’m still not ‘there’ yet! A real AP needs to go after that +EV, using Kelly if applicable.
MDawg, you’ve got to stop comparing DarkOz and Mental. I’m pretty sure DO is mostly (all?) brick and mortar casinos. And Mental mostly on line. If you’ve read Mental’s revelations, he often has identified a need, say $100,000 coin in on a certain slot. He’ll just set his computer to keep betting $10 a spin for 10,000 spins and not even pay attention. DO needs ‘feet on the ground’.
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Do you believe that the statement of "I make $20,000. a week" is meaningless in the context of "not every week"? Have you ever heard anyone misuse the English language in that way before?
For me, it's not just meaningless semantics wise, but draws into question any calculations D.Oz has as to whatever he claims to be making.
Quote: MDawgQuote: SOOPOOBack to Mental. I think his self analysis of what his ‘super piwer’ is, is SPOT ON.
I lack that superpower. I’m getting better at accepting losses when I know the bet was ‘good’, but I’m still not ‘there’ yet! A real AP needs to go after that +EV, using Kelly if applicable.
MDawg, you’ve got to stop comparing DarkOz and Mental. I’m pretty sure DO is mostly (all?) brick and mortar casinos. And Mental mostly on line. If you’ve read Mental’s revelations, he often has identified a need, say $100,000 coin in on a certain slot. He’ll just set his computer to keep betting $10 a spin for 10,000 spins and not even pay attention. DO needs ‘feet on the ground’.
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Do you believe that the statement of "I make $20,000. a week" is meaningless in the context of "not every week"? Have you ever heard anyone misuse the English language in that way before?
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I really don't understand why a precise and exact description of my financial income (literally money pouring in one week, the next nothing due to various factors) is so meaningless or difficult to understand
The owner. "I make $100,000 in three months"
WOV member: "so you make $400,000 a year?"
The owner "No I make $100,000 in three months. Then I am closed the rest of the year"
"So you really make $100,000 a year"
"I make $100,000 in three months. Just not every three months"
WOV member: "that's meaningless "
I thought that the point was that you are not so unscrupulous as to bill 27 hours per day every day of the year. Good for you.Quote: DieterQuote: billryanQuote: Dieter
I bill $360 per hour.
Not every hour is billable.
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Then you aren't doing it right.
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Interesting idea.
Being a bit lazy, I rather enjoy not working every hour of every day of every week.
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There is a back story to why Mdawg searched out this old thread and hijacked it to insult me. Months ago, I looked at the session numbers that were reported in his adventure thread. The distribution of W/L numbers looked very unusual. My session numbers have a normal distribution, and I have more losing sessions than winning sessions. MDawg was reporting numbers that form a distribution where the density of the distribution drops off a cliff when the session net goes negative. One way to explain this is to assume that losing session are selectively forgotten. (The alternative s to assume that someone with no apparent math skills is a gambling savant and the casinos tolerate his winning ways because he is such a charming fellow.)Quote: darkozQuote: MDawgBoth of youse are working a -EV game to try to get ahead with something else offered from the casino. What I am doing is not just +EV inherently but I also get all those kick backs you two are working. Plus comps. And even after all that I still don't even necessarily think it is worth it to me - I have far more profitable uses for my time.
Anyway, the point has been made.
Winners don't argue with losers, they negotiate. I'm just talking about a conversation I had last week with an insurance company we are suing, but it also applies to the way I approach casinos, because I consider them to be losers when someone like me enters the room.
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Baccarat is +ev inherently?
Wait are we talking about murdering the English language here?
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I was concerned that my methodology for collating the Mdawg session data might be flawed. I suggested that MDawg supply the correct and complete list of session W/L numbers for his challenge thread. Rather than taking this chance to clear up the mystery, MDawg chose to start stalking me and taking every chance to insult me with his 'pushing dose buttons' slur. I chose not to publish the graphs I have of MDawg's session results. But they look pretty hinky, and I have formed an opinion of how those fantastic result came to be reported.
So, this long dead thread will be forever hijacked for the purposes of MDawg seeking revenge on me for questioning his alpha male status here. I probably should just block him and never interact with him again.
you'd know that the point of what I was saying is that playing something inherently -EV explains why it doesn't always work out. While if the scheme is +EV you'd expect more often than not that it will work out. Especially if in both cases they have the same additional factors like loss rebates and free play / promo chips pumping up the over all gain.
Quote: MentalI thought that the point was that you are not so unscrupulous as to bill 27 hours per day every day of the year. Good for you.Quote: DieterQuote: billryanQuote: Dieter
I bill $360 per hour.
Not every hour is billable.
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Then you aren't doing it right.
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Interesting idea.
Being a bit lazy, I rather enjoy not working every hour of every day of every week.
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(shrug) Thanks?
I try to only bill for the usual and customary percentage of hours sleeping on the job, and not bill more than one hour per hour.
I'm told this simplifies the bookkeeping.
Quote: MentalThere is a back story to why Mdawg searched out this old thread
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You shouldn't think so much of yourself, whatever you were trying to say in the Adventures thread was on par with numerology and other occult sciences. As SooPoo too pointed out, sometimes people just tend to stop or want to stop at certain points. My saying that you should get back to pushing dose buttons wasn't just with reference to playing slots but also with reference to wasting your time with what I perceive to be a sort of arithmancy.
Quote: MDawgQuote: MentalThere is a back story to why Mdawg searched out this old thread
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arithmancy.
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English language?
What Mental describes is a lot more detailed. It requires a lot of patience and discipline and reading the fine print. It used to be a lot easier to make money online. I’m just talking domestic stuff. I had an online place I milked for $50k over 3 years with $10 and $25 bonuses. They finally cut me off awhile ago. Lots of other places used to give deposit bonuses but it’s nowhere near common as it used to be. Also they are getting stricter on how you can play the bonus. Some places are even restricting which slots you can play a bonus on.
The past while had been a struggle and I’m coming to realize it’s cause the math equals out in the end. You’ll have the variance but those little bonuses make or break you and the EV will work out. So if you aren’t getting them you’re going to eventually lose.
Almost all online places have cut back. I think they’ve realized very accurately that they don’t need to give the promos like before. Many places give nothing. People are degenerates. They’re going to play no matter what. Look at these leaderboards. The top 5 people over a few days will play $1M+ coin in on 5% games to get a $3000 bonus. They don’t need to give out promos when people play like that.
Quote: SandybestdogAs usual Darkoz has to hijack every thread with how great he is. What he does is quite simple actually. He just runs cards for freeplay. Not saying it’s easy but he’s a one trick pony.
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Quote: MDawgIt's a low end scheme.
This is true too. But it's not enough for D.Oz to do whatever he does, he has to make it seem like he's the wonderfulest and best at it too, and that the scheme is complex and multifaceted. He claims thatQuote: SandybestdogThat being said who cares if it’s simple. As Spanky says a dollar made on Korean baseball is worth just the same as being won on the Super Bowl.
Quote: darkozI had become the most feared AP on the East Coast!
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Quote: MDawgQuote: SandybestdogAs usual Darkoz has to hijack every thread with how great he is. What he does is quite simple actually. He just runs cards for freeplay. Not saying it’s easy but he’s a one trick pony.
link to original postQuote: mdawgIt's a low end scheme.
This is true too. But it's not enough for D.Oz to do whatever he does, he has to make it seem like he's the wonderfulest and best at it too.Quote: SandybestdogThat being said who cares if it’s simple. As Spanky says a dollar made on Korean baseball is worth just the same as being won on the Super Bowl.
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In this particular case….if you read the thread…..Dark only came in after Mdawg mentioned him and started unsolicited personal attacks in a thread he had nothing to do with at that point. I’m not a fan of the man’s ego either, which is probably what caused him to need to respond/defend himself, but it’s simply untrue that’s he’s the one who hijacked it here.
Apparently a forum key is to have some sort of agreement or something on a key admin that allows a special rule allowing you to go from thread to thread attacking and harassing members of your choice.
Too much free time sitting around the room eating canned fish perhaps.
Below is the original post by Mental.
He discusses me personally and my methodology.
Discussion of the Original posters post is what MDawg and Sandybestdog (2 dogs?) Consider hijacking.
SMH
Using bonuses/free slot playfor advantage play is not something I invented. Many other folks have discussed this approach to advantage play including the Wizard. This underpins the business model of darkoz and other card runners. They manipulate the casino's perceptions of new players in a way that allows the players to get very large amounts of free slot play relative to their expected losses. I actually respect darkoz's ability to reverse engineer slot promos and his business skill in exploitingitQuote: Mental
You mean you didn't bill during the time you were in the hospital...Quote: DieterQuote: billryanQuote: Dieter
I bill $360 per hour.
Not every hour is billable.
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Then you aren't doing it right.
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Interesting idea.
Being a bit lazy, I rather enjoy not working every hour of every day of every week.
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...sedated, and undergoing surgery :)
Quote: 100xOddsYou mean you didn't bill during the time you were in the hospital...Quote: DieterQuote: billryanQuote: Dieter
I bill $360 per hour.
Not every hour is billable.
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Then you aren't doing it right.
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Interesting idea.
Being a bit lazy, I rather enjoy not working every hour of every day of every week.
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...sedated, and undergoing surgery :)
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I couldn't figure out a way to fill out the invoices while my heart was stopped.
Sometimes, morality neatly intersects practicality. ;)
Quote: MDawgQuote: darkoz
There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year
Eventually that claim was debunked.
MDawg doesn't get it. Apparently never will.
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Where did I (or anyone else) claim to beat Baccarat every day of every week of every year?
Where was this claim "to beat Baccarat every day of every week of every year" debunked.
I challenge you to produce your proof, I believe that you are not being truthful here. If it turns out that you are being untruthful, what is the penalty?
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No one on this site claimed to beat Baccarat "every day of every week of every year" and even if anyone had, such a claim was never debunked.
I have posted records of big session (Day __) losses, so right there it's impossible for me to have claimed to win "every day of every week of every year."
Then we have EvenBob who claims to win at Baccarat regularly (not "every day of every week of every year" he doesn't even play Baccarat every day) but even if he had claimed it (he has not), whatever he claims has never been debunked.
Who else on this site has claimed to even play Baccarat "every day of every week of every year"? let alone win at it "every day of every week of every year"?
Therefore, I feel confident in making the challenge at risk of suspension.
As I am quoted "MDawg doesn't get it. Never will."
Quote: darkozAs quoted I never even said it was on this forum lol. "There was a gambler..."
As I am quoted "MDawg doesn't get it. Never will."
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Who? Where?
How?
Quote: darkoz
There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year
Eventually that claim was debunked.
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Quote: MDawgQuote: darkozAs quoted I never even said it was on this forum lol. "There was a gambler..."
As I am quoted "MDawg doesn't get it. Never will."
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Who? Where?
How?Quote: darkoz
There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year
Eventually that claim was debunked.
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Vinnie Barbarelli? Welcome back Kotter?
Who? When? Where? What? How?
Quote: darkoz
There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year
Eventually that claim was debunked.
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Or, we may let the Wizard rule on a Coach's Challenge.
Quote: MDawgI will accept a retraction of your statements, as untruthful (you made it all up), right now. I don't believe there is any such person anywhere who made such a claim, let alone had such a claim debunked.
Quote: darkoz
There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year
Eventually that claim was debunked.
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Or, we may let the Wizard rule on a Coach's Challenge.
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Man I just busted a gut laughing at that.
(Waiting for coaches challenge that I show hospital records of my damaged inner organs)
Quote: darkozThere was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year
Eventually that claim was debunked.
MDawg doesn't get it. Apparently never will.
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A challenge was filed about this claim. Per forum rules, darkoz is requested to submit evidence that both said claim was made as well as debunked. Punishment will be given for failure to do so. However, if sufficient evidence is provided, the complainant will serve the punishment.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: gordonm888I suggest we all just move on, before this becomes capable of being interpreted as harrassment/bullying of DO.
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And what a shame that would be to harass and bully a member here over some claim they made. Repeating the same things to him over and over and over when you have no way of proving what he said is true or not.
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Is that worse than a member just making up stuff for literally decades on end? Hypothetically, of course?
Quote: WizardQuote: darkozThere was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year
Eventually that claim was debunked.
MDawg doesn't get it. Apparently never will.
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A challenge was filed about this claim. Per forum rules, darkoz is requested to submit evidence that both said claim was made as well as debunked. Punishment will be given for failure to do so. However, if sufficient evidence is provided, the complainant will serve the punishment.
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This is ridiculous that such a challenge was made and by MDawg obviously in yet another attempt to harass me over his anger about my $20,000 a week claim.
I am hesitant to discuss this here (and I have been informed by the Wizard this challenge is being seriously considered) because it's going to derail/further hijack this thread. So can mods split this challenge out?
There are obviously discovery challenges to be put towards the judge(Wizard) for example what does every year mean? I have to prove every year in written history going back to the first year of the Chinese calendar or do I only have to prove every year to the creation of Baccarat or every year to the day someone began making claims or what? What does every year mean? Hyperbole that only an idiot would require someone prove like if someone says they busted a gut they don't actually mean their gut is physically busted?
So Wizard please define how many years will be required for me to prove that someone claimed to beat baccarat.
I concede if someone claimed to beat baccarat every year since the creation of the earth, that is not something I can prove.
Motion to define "every year" put forward for the court of WOV.
Quote: billryanDon't write a check that you can't cover. You said something. It was obvious who you were referring to. Back it up or accept the consequences. I'm not sure why that is difficult.
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Wasn’t he referring to the guy that got banned from here years ago for claiming to beat baccarat and then admitting he lied? Forget his name.
Quote: billryanDon't write a check that you can't cover. You said something. It was obvious who you were referring to. Back it up or accept the consequences. I'm not sure why that is difficult.
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I issue a challenge that I never wrote a check I cannot cover.
Also since this is a challenge I plan to drag this out.
There must be rules to the challenge. Certainly a lawyer if there are any on here will recognize this.
I have asked a question of the Wizard. Awaiting an answer
Quote: WizardQuote: darkozThere was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year
Eventually that claim was debunked.
MDawg doesn't get it. Apparently never will.
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A challenge was filed about this claim. Per forum rules, darkoz is requested to submit evidence that both said claim was made as well as debunked. Punishment will be given for failure to do so. However, if sufficient evidence is provided, the complainant will serve the punishment.
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It hereby submitted a formal motion to dismiss the challenge against Darkoz.
The Wizard has stated the quote of the challenge is "per forum rules"
Here are the forum rules.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/2-forum-rules/#post37215
Nowhere in any of the 20 posted rules are anything remotely addressing the conflict in question.
If it is believed this is in error, the specific forum rule is requested to be quoted.
Quote: SOOPOO
Is that worse than a member just making up stuff for literally decades on end? Hypothetically, of course?
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I don't know anybody that does that, nor can you prove that you know anybody that does that, hypothetically or otherwise. Lots and lots of claims are made on this forum as this thread has shown and I don't see anybody proving any of them. I don't have a problem with any of it because I give people the benefit of the doubt unless I absolutely know for a fact that what they say isn't true. And how can I know that I'm not clairvoyant.
Quote: billryanDon't write a check that you can't cover. You said something. It was obvious who you were referring to. Back it up or accept the consequences. I'm not sure why that is difficult.
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He's just making himself look bad. There is no one on this site or anywhere on the internet who fits the bill of what he claimed.
Yesterday, I even offered him the opportunity to withdraw the claim and admit he made it up, and he just laughed. Well, You ain't talkin' so bad now, ese.
Coach's Challenges are well documented and a part of the common law of the WOV forum. A Coach's Challenge is also mentioned in passing in Rule 14 "We will treat it like a 'coach's challenge' in the NFL," and then of course we have the catch all,
These rules should be considered as a guideline of what we will not tolerate. Just because a behavior is not on this list does not mean it will be tolerated or go unpunished. The administration reserves the right to punish any activity it deems disruptive to the forum, whether against these rules or not.
Trust DarkOz to complain about the rules when Coach's Challenges have resulted in other WOV suspensions in the past.
Quote: WizardQuote: darkozThere was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year
Eventually that claim was debunked.
MDawg doesn't get it. Apparently never will.
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A challenge was filed about this claim. Per forum rules, darkoz is requested to submit evidence that both said claim was made as well as debunked. Punishment will be given for failure to do so. However, if sufficient evidence is provided, the complainant will serve the punishment.
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Quote: MDawgQuote: billryanDon't write a check that you can't cover. You said something. It was obvious who you were referring to. Back it up or accept the consequences. I'm not sure why that is difficult.
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He's just making himself look bad. There is no one on this site or anywhere on the internet who fits the bill of what he claimed.
Yesterday, I even offered him the opportunity to withdraw the claim and admit he made it up, and he just laughed. Well, You ain't talkin' so bad now, ese.
Coach's Challenges are well documented and a part of the common law of the WOV forum.Quote: WizardQuote: darkozThere was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year
Eventually that claim was debunked.
MDawg doesn't get it. Apparently never will.
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A challenge was filed about this claim. Per forum rules, darkoz is requested to submit evidence that both said claim was made as well as debunked. Punishment will be given for failure to do so. However, if sufficient evidence is provided, the complainant will serve the punishment.
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I have acquired the necessary proof for my claim if the current motion for dismissal is denied.
MDawg are you certain you do not wish to drop your ridiculous challenge?
Here is your chance.
Please point to the forum rule about coaches challenges other than issues of private messaging.
Quote: SOOPOOMods….. PLEASE move the drivel about DarkOz and MDawg to MDawg’s thread. I am trying to get the full picture about Mental’s practices….
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Lol, can one accuse the Wizard of hijacking this thread?
I assume that if you drag this out with your trying to question the Wizard's authority at his own forum, that you'll end up with a longer sentence.
Quote: MDawgPresent it. Someone who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year and that eventually that claim was debunked.
I assume that if you drag this out with your trying to question the Wizard's authority at his own forum, that you'll end up with a longer sentence.
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Got ya scared, huh?
Well the evidence will be presented once the request for the forum rules cited and their validity to this claim is decided by the Wizard.
The Wizard has specifically cited forum rules. It is now for him to point to the specific forum rule he refers to.
And you know you were trying to get a dig at me, and implying that I was that person. Which is why you mentioned ("mention it, don't insist") the MDawg name in the post. Then you got caught in an obvious falsehood.
Yesterday you just laughed at the whole matter. Now you seem to be taking it very seriously, trying to challenge the Wizard's authority to even rule on a Coach's Challenge.
Quote: MDawgThere is no one who even claims to play/win Baccarat every day let alone whose claim of winning every single day was debunked. If there is, present the evidence to back up your claim.
And you know you were trying to get a dig at me, and implying that I was that person. Which is why you mentioned ("mention it, don't insist") the MDawg name in the post. Then you got caught in an obvious falsehood.
Yesterday you just laughed at the whole matter. Now you seem to be taking it very seriously, trying to challenge the Wizard's authority to even rule on a Coach's Challenge.
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Anybody with a serious mind knows this whole challenge is a joke. I am having fun with it.
You claim to be an attorney you must know how motions work and the need to wait for a decision
I don't mind the hijacking. I just block posters who never say anything of interest to me.Quote: SOOPOOMods….. PLEASE move the drivel about DarkOz and MDawg to MDawg’s thread. I am trying to get the full picture about Mental’s practices….
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Also, I am not trying to give anyone a full picture of my practices.
I am pointing out that taking a newbie bonus and cashing out is considered promo abuse. This behavior leads to cutbacks in newbie bonuses for everyone. If you sign up for an online casino, consider giving them some intelligent slot play. You may be surprised how easy it is to get on a gravy train. I know you can turn a profit picking off a few dollars a day and I know the high volume model can work. I am not sure about the middle path. I just don't know if you can make it work without putting huge amounts of money at risk. I don't make much theoretical profit at properties where I am not VIP.
Also, it can take a long time to figure out how to get the most out of an online casino. I put a lot of money into online casinos before I started getting money out. There is a lot of variety to the different promo systems online compared to the B&M world.
Quote: darkozQuote: WizardQuote: darkozThere was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year
Eventually that claim was debunked.
MDawg doesn't get it. Apparently never will.
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A challenge was filed about this claim. Per forum rules, darkoz is requested to submit evidence that both said claim was made as well as debunked. Punishment will be given for failure to do so. However, if sufficient evidence is provided, the complainant will serve the punishment.
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This is ridiculous that such a challenge was made and by MDawg obviously in yet another attempt to harass me over his anger about my $20,000 a week claim.
I am hesitant to discuss this here (and I have been informed by the Wizard this challenge is being seriously considered) because it's going to derail/further hijack this thread. So can mods split this challenge out?
There are obviously discovery challenges to be put towards the judge(Wizard) for example what does every year mean? I have to prove every year in written history going back to the first year of the Chinese calendar or do I only have to prove every year to the creation of Baccarat or every year to the day someone began making claims or what? What does every year mean? Hyperbole that only an idiot would require someone prove like if someone says they busted a gut they don't actually mean their gut is physically busted?
So Wizard please define how many years will be required for me to prove that someone claimed to beat baccarat.
I concede if someone claimed to beat baccarat every year since the creation of the earth, that is not something I can prove.
Motion to define "every year" put forward for the court of WOV.
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I'm sure we'll split it out when needed.
Until then, don't worry about challenge related hijacking or derailleur.
Quote: SOOPOOMods….. PLEASE move the drivel about DarkOz and MDawg to MDawg’s thread. I am trying to get the full picture about Mental’s practices….
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I'm busy, but someone WILL get to it.
