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January 1st, 2024 at 11:35:00 AM permalink
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It is after all $20,000. $10,000. a week. But not every week. 😅
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That you still don't get or accept how ridiculous and meaningless such a claim is, contradicts any claims of sharp shooting math calculations.

I might find a penny on the ground a few days a year. So then I claim, "I find a penny a day?" How silly would I sound making such a claim once I explained that no, I meant, "not every day."
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I bill $360 per hour.
Not every hour is billable.
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January 1st, 2024 at 11:48:29 AM permalink
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There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year

Eventually that claim was debunked.

MDawg doesn't get it. Apparently never will.
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Where did I (or anyone else) claim to beat Baccarat every day of every week of every year?

Where was this claim "to beat Baccarat every day of every week of every year" debunked.

I challenge you to produce your proof, I believe that you are not being truthful here. If it turns out that you are being untruthful, what is the penalty?
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January 1st, 2024 at 11:53:38 AM permalink
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There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year

Eventually that claim was debunked.

MDawg doesn't get it. Apparently never will.
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Where did I (or anyone else) claim to beat Baccarat every day of every week of every year?

Where was this claim "to beat Baccarat every day of every week of every year" debunked.

I challenge you to produce your proof, I believe that you are not being truthful here. If it turns out that you are being untruthful, what is the penalty?
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Where do I claim to make $20,000 EVERY week?

For that matter Where did I say I was talking about you?
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January 1st, 2024 at 11:55:34 AM permalink
The point is that your statement "I make $20,000. $10,000. a week" is meaningless.

Now, get back to providing the proof for your statement above.
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January 1st, 2024 at 11:56:35 AM permalink
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The point is that your statement "I make $20,000. $10,000. a week" is meaningless.

Now, get back to providing the proof for your statement above.
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First provide the proof that the statement I make $10,000 a week but not every week is meaningless
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January 1st, 2024 at 12:03:33 PM permalink
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It is after all $20,000. $10,000. a week. But not every week. 😅
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That you still don't get or accept how ridiculous and meaningless such a claim is, contradicts any claims of sharp shooting math calculations.

I might find a penny on the ground a few days a year. So then I claim, "I find a penny a day?" How silly would I sound making such a claim once I explained that no, I meant, "not every day."
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I bill $360 per hour.
Not every hour is billable.
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Then you aren't doing it right.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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January 1st, 2024 at 12:06:41 PM permalink
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The point is that your statement "I make $20,000. $10,000. a week" is meaningless.

Now, get back to providing the proof for your statement above.
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First provide the proof that the statement I make $10,000 a week but not every week is meaningless
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Plain English.

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January 1st, 2024 at 12:11:08 PM permalink
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The point is that your statement "I make $20,000. $10,000. a week" is meaningless.

Now, get back to providing the proof for your statement above.
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First provide the proof that the statement I make $10,000 a week but not every week is meaningless
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Plain English.

.
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Your inability to understand plain English isn't my problem.

I made $10,000 last week.

This week I made nothing.

This is repeated on a regular basis.

I make $10,000 a week but not every week.
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January 1st, 2024 at 12:12:06 PM permalink
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I bill $360 per hour.
Not every hour is billable.
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Then you aren't doing it right.
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Interesting idea.
Being a bit lazy, I rather enjoy not working every hour of every day of every week.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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January 1st, 2024 at 12:12:06 PM permalink
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Back to Mental. I think his self analysis of what his Ďsuper piwerí is, is SPOT ON.

I lack that superpower. Iím getting better at accepting losses when I know the bet was Ďgoodí, but Iím still not Ďthereí yet! A real AP needs to go after that +EV, using Kelly if applicable.

MDawg, youíve got to stop comparing DarkOz and Mental. Iím pretty sure DO is mostly (all?) brick and mortar casinos. And Mental mostly on line. If youíve read Mentalís revelations, he often has identified a need, say $100,000 coin in on a certain slot. Heíll just set his computer to keep betting $10 a spin for 10,000 spins and not even pay attention. DO needs Ďfeet on the groundí.
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Do you believe that the statement of "I make $20,000. a week" is meaningless in the context of "not every week"? Have you ever heard anyone misuse the English language in that way before?

For me, it's not just meaningless semantics wise, but draws into question any calculations D.Oz has as to whatever he claims to be making.
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January 1st, 2024 at 12:23:20 PM permalink
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Back to Mental. I think his self analysis of what his Ďsuper piwerí is, is SPOT ON.

I lack that superpower. Iím getting better at accepting losses when I know the bet was Ďgoodí, but Iím still not Ďthereí yet! A real AP needs to go after that +EV, using Kelly if applicable.

MDawg, youíve got to stop comparing DarkOz and Mental. Iím pretty sure DO is mostly (all?) brick and mortar casinos. And Mental mostly on line. If youíve read Mentalís revelations, he often has identified a need, say $100,000 coin in on a certain slot. Heíll just set his computer to keep betting $10 a spin for 10,000 spins and not even pay attention. DO needs Ďfeet on the groundí.
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Do you believe that the statement of "I make $20,000. a week" is meaningless in the context of "not every week"? Have you ever heard anyone misuse the English language in that way before?
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I really don't understand why a precise and exact description of my financial income (literally money pouring in one week, the next nothing due to various factors) is so meaningless or difficult to understand
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January 1st, 2024 at 12:30:41 PM permalink
A beach front store in Atlantic city.

The owner. "I make $100,000 in three months"

WOV member: "so you make $400,000 a year?"

The owner "No I make $100,000 in three months. Then I am closed the rest of the year"

"So you really make $100,000 a year"

"I make $100,000 in three months. Just not every three months"

WOV member: "that's meaningless "
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January 1st, 2024 at 12:43:33 PM permalink
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I bill $360 per hour.
Not every hour is billable.
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Then you aren't doing it right.
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Interesting idea.
Being a bit lazy, I rather enjoy not working every hour of every day of every week.
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I thought that the point was that you are not so unscrupulous as to bill 27 hours per day every day of the year. Good for you.
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January 1st, 2024 at 1:40:21 PM permalink
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Both of youse are working a -EV game to try to get ahead with something else offered from the casino. What I am doing is not just +EV inherently but I also get all those kick backs you two are working. Plus comps. And even after all that I still don't even necessarily think it is worth it to me - I have far more profitable uses for my time.

Anyway, the point has been made.

Winners don't argue with losers, they negotiate. I'm just talking about a conversation I had last week with an insurance company we are suing, but it also applies to the way I approach casinos, because I consider them to be losers when someone like me enters the room.
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Baccarat is +ev inherently?

Wait are we talking about murdering the English language here?
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There is a back story to why Mdawg searched out this old thread and hijacked it to insult me. Months ago, I looked at the session numbers that were reported in his adventure thread. The distribution of W/L numbers looked very unusual. My session numbers have a normal distribution, and I have more losing sessions than winning sessions. MDawg was reporting numbers that form a distribution where the density of the distribution drops off a cliff when the session net goes negative. One way to explain this is to assume that losing session are selectively forgotten. (The alternative s to assume that someone with no apparent math skills is a gambling savant and the casinos tolerate his winning ways because he is such a charming fellow.)

I was concerned that my methodology for collating the Mdawg session data might be flawed. I suggested that MDawg supply the correct and complete list of session W/L numbers for his challenge thread. Rather than taking this chance to clear up the mystery, MDawg chose to start stalking me and taking every chance to insult me with his 'pushing dose buttons' slur. I chose not to publish the graphs I have of MDawg's session results. But they look pretty hinky, and I have formed an opinion of how those fantastic result came to be reported.

So, this long dead thread will be forever hijacked for the purposes of MDawg seeking revenge on me for questioning his alpha male status here. I probably should just block him and never interact with him again.
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January 1st, 2024 at 2:03:22 PM permalink
Well if you'd read a little more of the thread instead of the usual



you'd know that the point of what I was saying is that playing something inherently -EV explains why it doesn't always work out. While if the scheme is +EV you'd expect more often than not that it will work out. Especially if in both cases they have the same additional factors like loss rebates and free play / promo chips pumping up the over all gain.
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January 1st, 2024 at 2:12:08 PM permalink
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I bill $360 per hour.
Not every hour is billable.
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Then you aren't doing it right.
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Interesting idea.
Being a bit lazy, I rather enjoy not working every hour of every day of every week.
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I thought that the point was that you are not so unscrupulous as to bill 27 hours per day every day of the year. Good for you.
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(shrug) Thanks?
I try to only bill for the usual and customary percentage of hours sleeping on the job, and not bill more than one hour per hour.
I'm told this simplifies the bookkeeping.
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January 1st, 2024 at 2:14:20 PM permalink
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There is a back story to why Mdawg searched out this old thread
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You shouldn't think so much of yourself, whatever you were trying to say in the Adventures thread was on par with numerology and other occult sciences. As SooPoo too pointed out, sometimes people just tend to stop or want to stop at certain points. My saying that you should get back to pushing dose buttons wasn't just with reference to playing slots but also with reference to wasting your time with what I perceive to be a sort of arithmancy.

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January 1st, 2024 at 2:24:22 PM permalink
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There is a back story to why Mdawg searched out this old thread
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arithmancy.


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English language?
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January 1st, 2024 at 4:27:26 PM permalink
As usual Darkoz has to hijack every thread with how great he is. What he does is quite simple actually. He just runs cards for freeplay. Not saying itís easy but heís a one trick pony. The key is just finding the places giving good benefits. That being said who cares if itís simple. As Spanky says a dollar made on Korean baseball is worth just the same as being won on the Super Bowl. Iím sorry, I mean The Big Game.

What Mental describes is a lot more detailed. It requires a lot of patience and discipline and reading the fine print. It used to be a lot easier to make money online. Iím just talking domestic stuff. I had an online place I milked for $50k over 3 years with $10 and $25 bonuses. They finally cut me off awhile ago. Lots of other places used to give deposit bonuses but itís nowhere near common as it used to be. Also they are getting stricter on how you can play the bonus. Some places are even restricting which slots you can play a bonus on.

The past while had been a struggle and Iím coming to realize itís cause the math equals out in the end. Youíll have the variance but those little bonuses make or break you and the EV will work out. So if you arenít getting them youíre going to eventually lose.

Almost all online places have cut back. I think theyíve realized very accurately that they donít need to give the promos like before. Many places give nothing. People are degenerates. Theyíre going to play no matter what. Look at these leaderboards. The top 5 people over a few days will play $1M+ coin in on 5% games to get a $3000 bonus. They donít need to give out promos when people play like that.
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January 1st, 2024 at 4:40:58 PM permalink
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As usual Darkoz has to hijack every thread with how great he is. What he does is quite simple actually. He just runs cards for freeplay. Not saying itís easy but heís a one trick pony.
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Quote: MDawg

It's a low end scheme.


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That being said who cares if itís simple. As Spanky says a dollar made on Korean baseball is worth just the same as being won on the Super Bowl.

This is true too. But it's not enough for D.Oz to do whatever he does, he has to make it seem like he's the wonderfulest and best at it too, and that the scheme is complex and multifaceted. He claims that
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I had become the most feared AP on the East Coast!
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January 1st, 2024 at 4:46:07 PM permalink
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As usual Darkoz has to hijack every thread with how great he is. What he does is quite simple actually. He just runs cards for freeplay. Not saying itís easy but heís a one trick pony.
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Quote: mdawg

It's a low end scheme.



Quote: Sandybestdog

That being said who cares if itís simple. As Spanky says a dollar made on Korean baseball is worth just the same as being won on the Super Bowl.

This is true too. But it's not enough for D.Oz to do whatever he does, he has to make it seem like he's the wonderfulest and best at it too.
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In this particular caseÖ.if you read the threadÖ..Dark only came in after Mdawg mentioned him and started unsolicited personal attacks in a thread he had nothing to do with at that point. Iím not a fan of the manís ego either, which is probably what caused him to need to respond/defend himself, but itís simply untrue thatís heís the one who hijacked it here.

Apparently a forum key is to have some sort of agreement or something on a key admin that allows a special rule allowing you to go from thread to thread attacking and harassing members of your choice.

Too much free time sitting around the room eating canned fish perhaps.
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January 1st, 2024 at 4:46:30 PM permalink
I think the biggest problem people have is perception. They perception is so bad they usually get everything wrong.

Below is the original post by Mental.

He discusses me personally and my methodology.

Discussion of the Original posters post is what MDawg and Sandybestdog (2 dogs?) Consider hijacking.

SMH

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Using bonuses/free slot playfor advantage play is not something I invented. Many other folks have discussed this approach to advantage play including the Wizard. This underpins the business model of darkoz and other card runners. They manipulate the casino's perceptions of new players in a way that allows the players to get very large amounts of free slot play relative to their expected losses. I actually respect darkoz's ability to reverse engineer slot promos and his business skill in exploitingit

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January 2nd, 2024 at 10:41:34 AM permalink
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I bill $360 per hour.
Not every hour is billable.
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Then you aren't doing it right.
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Interesting idea.
Being a bit lazy, I rather enjoy not working every hour of every day of every week.
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You mean you didn't bill during the time you were in the hospital...
...sedated, and undergoing surgery :)
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January 2nd, 2024 at 11:38:13 AM permalink
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I bill $360 per hour.
Not every hour is billable.
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Then you aren't doing it right.
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Interesting idea.
Being a bit lazy, I rather enjoy not working every hour of every day of every week.
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You mean you didn't bill during the time you were in the hospital...
...sedated, and undergoing surgery :)
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January 3rd, 2024 at 12:58:34 PM permalink
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There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year

Eventually that claim was debunked.

MDawg doesn't get it. Apparently never will.
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Where did I (or anyone else) claim to beat Baccarat every day of every week of every year?

Where was this claim "to beat Baccarat every day of every week of every year" debunked.

I challenge you to produce your proof, I believe that you are not being truthful here. If it turns out that you are being untruthful, what is the penalty?
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No one on this site claimed to beat Baccarat "every day of every week of every year" and even if anyone had, such a claim was never debunked.

I have posted records of big session (Day __) losses, so right there it's impossible for me to have claimed to win "every day of every week of every year."

Then we have EvenBob who claims to win at Baccarat regularly (not "every day of every week of every year" he doesn't even play Baccarat every day) but even if he had claimed it (he has not), whatever he claims has never been debunked.

Who else on this site has claimed to even play Baccarat "every day of every week of every year"? let alone win at it "every day of every week of every year"?

Therefore, I feel confident in making the challenge at risk of suspension.
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January 3rd, 2024 at 1:15:42 PM permalink
As quoted I never even said it was on this forum lol. "There was a gambler..."

As I am quoted "MDawg doesn't get it. Never will."
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January 3rd, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM permalink
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As quoted I never even said it was on this forum lol. "There was a gambler..."

As I am quoted "MDawg doesn't get it. Never will."
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Who? Where?

How?

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There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year

Eventually that claim was debunked.
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January 3rd, 2024 at 1:30:45 PM permalink
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As quoted I never even said it was on this forum lol. "There was a gambler..."

As I am quoted "MDawg doesn't get it. Never will."
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Who? Where?

How?

Quote: darkoz


There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year

Eventually that claim was debunked.
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Vinnie Barbarelli? Welcome back Kotter?

Who? When? Where? What? How?
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January 3rd, 2024 at 1:36:24 PM permalink
I will accept a retraction of your statements, as untruthful (you made it all up), right now. I don't believe there is any such person anywhere who made such a claim, let alone had such a claim debunked.

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There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year

Eventually that claim was debunked.
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Or, we may let the Wizard rule on a Coach's Challenge.
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January 3rd, 2024 at 1:46:42 PM permalink
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I will accept a retraction of your statements, as untruthful (you made it all up), right now. I don't believe there is any such person anywhere who made such a claim, let alone had such a claim debunked.

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There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year

Eventually that claim was debunked.
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Or, we may let the Wizard rule on a Coach's Challenge.
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Man I just busted a gut laughing at that.

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January 4th, 2024 at 7:54:07 AM permalink
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There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year

Eventually that claim was debunked.

MDawg doesn't get it. Apparently never will.
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A challenge was filed about this claim. Per forum rules, darkoz is requested to submit evidence that both said claim was made as well as debunked. Punishment will be given for failure to do so. However, if sufficient evidence is provided, the complainant will serve the punishment.
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January 4th, 2024 at 8:13:25 AM permalink
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I suggest we all just move on, before this becomes capable of being interpreted as harrassment/bullying of DO.
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And what a shame that would be to harass and bully a member here over some claim they made. Repeating the same things to him over and over and over when you have no way of proving what he said is true or not.
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Is that worse than a member just making up stuff for literally decades on end? Hypothetically, of course?
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January 4th, 2024 at 8:58:42 AM permalink
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Quote: darkoz

There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year

Eventually that claim was debunked.

MDawg doesn't get it. Apparently never will.
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A challenge was filed about this claim. Per forum rules, darkoz is requested to submit evidence that both said claim was made as well as debunked. Punishment will be given for failure to do so. However, if sufficient evidence is provided, the complainant will serve the punishment.
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This is ridiculous that such a challenge was made and by MDawg obviously in yet another attempt to harass me over his anger about my $20,000 a week claim.

I am hesitant to discuss this here (and I have been informed by the Wizard this challenge is being seriously considered) because it's going to derail/further hijack this thread. So can mods split this challenge out?

There are obviously discovery challenges to be put towards the judge(Wizard) for example what does every year mean? I have to prove every year in written history going back to the first year of the Chinese calendar or do I only have to prove every year to the creation of Baccarat or every year to the day someone began making claims or what? What does every year mean? Hyperbole that only an idiot would require someone prove like if someone says they busted a gut they don't actually mean their gut is physically busted?

So Wizard please define how many years will be required for me to prove that someone claimed to beat baccarat.

I concede if someone claimed to beat baccarat every year since the creation of the earth, that is not something I can prove.

Motion to define "every year" put forward for the court of WOV.
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January 4th, 2024 at 9:07:36 AM permalink
Don't write a check that you can't cover. You said something. It was obvious who you were referring to. Back it up or accept the consequences. I'm not sure why that is difficult.
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January 4th, 2024 at 9:12:22 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Don't write a check that you can't cover. You said something. It was obvious who you were referring to. Back it up or accept the consequences. I'm not sure why that is difficult.
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Wasnít he referring to the guy that got banned from here years ago for claiming to beat baccarat and then admitting he lied? Forget his name.
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January 4th, 2024 at 9:17:44 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Don't write a check that you can't cover. You said something. It was obvious who you were referring to. Back it up or accept the consequences. I'm not sure why that is difficult.
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I issue a challenge that I never wrote a check I cannot cover.

Also since this is a challenge I plan to drag this out.

There must be rules to the challenge. Certainly a lawyer if there are any on here will recognize this.

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January 4th, 2024 at 9:37:55 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Quote: darkoz

There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year

Eventually that claim was debunked.

MDawg doesn't get it. Apparently never will.
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A challenge was filed about this claim. Per forum rules, darkoz is requested to submit evidence that both said claim was made as well as debunked. Punishment will be given for failure to do so. However, if sufficient evidence is provided, the complainant will serve the punishment.
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It hereby submitted a formal motion to dismiss the challenge against Darkoz.

The Wizard has stated the quote of the challenge is "per forum rules"

Here are the forum rules.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/2-forum-rules/#post37215

Nowhere in any of the 20 posted rules are anything remotely addressing the conflict in question.

If it is believed this is in error, the specific forum rule is requested to be quoted.
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January 4th, 2024 at 9:52:09 AM permalink
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Is that worse than a member just making up stuff for literally decades on end? Hypothetically, of course?
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I don't know anybody that does that, nor can you prove that you know anybody that does that, hypothetically or otherwise. Lots and lots of claims are made on this forum as this thread has shown and I don't see anybody proving any of them. I don't have a problem with any of it because I give people the benefit of the doubt unless I absolutely know for a fact that what they say isn't true. And how can I know that I'm not clairvoyant.
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January 4th, 2024 at 9:52:45 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Don't write a check that you can't cover. You said something. It was obvious who you were referring to. Back it up or accept the consequences. I'm not sure why that is difficult.
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He's just making himself look bad. There is no one on this site or anywhere on the internet who fits the bill of what he claimed.

Yesterday, I even offered him the opportunity to withdraw the claim and admit he made it up, and he just laughed. Well, You ain't talkin' so bad now, ese.

Coach's Challenges are well documented and a part of the common law of the WOV forum. A Coach's Challenge is also mentioned in passing in Rule 14 "We will treat it like a 'coach's challenge' in the NFL," and then of course we have the catch all,
These rules should be considered as a guideline of what we will not tolerate. Just because a behavior is not on this list does not mean it will be tolerated or go unpunished. The administration reserves the right to punish any activity it deems disruptive to the forum, whether against these rules or not.

Trust DarkOz to complain about the rules when Coach's Challenges have resulted in other WOV suspensions in the past.

Quote: Wizard

Quote: darkoz

There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year

Eventually that claim was debunked.

MDawg doesn't get it. Apparently never will.
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A challenge was filed about this claim. Per forum rules, darkoz is requested to submit evidence that both said claim was made as well as debunked. Punishment will be given for failure to do so. However, if sufficient evidence is provided, the complainant will serve the punishment.
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Last edited by: MDawg on Jan 4, 2024
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January 4th, 2024 at 10:06:59 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Quote: billryan

Don't write a check that you can't cover. You said something. It was obvious who you were referring to. Back it up or accept the consequences. I'm not sure why that is difficult.
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He's just making himself look bad. There is no one on this site or anywhere on the internet who fits the bill of what he claimed.

Yesterday, I even offered him the opportunity to withdraw the claim and admit he made it up, and he just laughed. Well, You ain't talkin' so bad now, ese.

Coach's Challenges are well documented and a part of the common law of the WOV forum.

Quote: Wizard

Quote: darkoz

There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year

Eventually that claim was debunked.

MDawg doesn't get it. Apparently never will.
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A challenge was filed about this claim. Per forum rules, darkoz is requested to submit evidence that both said claim was made as well as debunked. Punishment will be given for failure to do so. However, if sufficient evidence is provided, the complainant will serve the punishment.
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I have acquired the necessary proof for my claim if the current motion for dismissal is denied.

MDawg are you certain you do not wish to drop your ridiculous challenge?

Here is your chance.
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January 4th, 2024 at 10:10:42 AM permalink
Rule 14 specifically is about private messages being discussed and the coaches challenge of rule 14 is specifically about private message disputes.

Please point to the forum rule about coaches challenges other than issues of private messaging.
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January 4th, 2024 at 10:11:22 AM permalink
ModsÖ.. PLEASE move the drivel about DarkOz and MDawg to MDawgís thread. I am trying to get the full picture about Mentalís practicesÖ.
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January 4th, 2024 at 10:12:21 AM permalink
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ModsÖ.. PLEASE move the drivel about DarkOz and MDawg to MDawgís thread. I am trying to get the full picture about Mentalís practicesÖ.
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Lol, can one accuse the Wizard of hijacking this thread?
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January 4th, 2024 at 10:22:59 AM permalink
Present it. Someone who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year and that eventually that claim was debunked.

I assume that if you drag this out with your trying to question the Wizard's authority at his own forum, that you'll end up with a longer sentence.
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January 4th, 2024 at 10:32:12 AM permalink
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Present it. Someone who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year and that eventually that claim was debunked.

I assume that if you drag this out with your trying to question the Wizard's authority at his own forum, that you'll end up with a longer sentence.
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Got ya scared, huh?

Well the evidence will be presented once the request for the forum rules cited and their validity to this claim is decided by the Wizard.

The Wizard has specifically cited forum rules. It is now for him to point to the specific forum rule he refers to.
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January 4th, 2024 at 10:35:40 AM permalink
There is no one who even claims to play/win Baccarat every day let alone whose claim of winning every single day was debunked. If there is, present the evidence to back up your claim.

And you know you were trying to get a dig at me, and implying that I was that person. Which is why you mentioned ("mention it, don't insist") the MDawg name in the post. Then you got caught in an obvious falsehood.

Yesterday you just laughed at the whole matter. Now you seem to be taking it very seriously, trying to challenge the Wizard's authority to even rule on a Coach's Challenge.
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January 4th, 2024 at 10:57:29 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

There is no one who even claims to play/win Baccarat every day let alone whose claim of winning every single day was debunked. If there is, present the evidence to back up your claim.

And you know you were trying to get a dig at me, and implying that I was that person. Which is why you mentioned ("mention it, don't insist") the MDawg name in the post. Then you got caught in an obvious falsehood.

Yesterday you just laughed at the whole matter. Now you seem to be taking it very seriously, trying to challenge the Wizard's authority to even rule on a Coach's Challenge.
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Anybody with a serious mind knows this whole challenge is a joke. I am having fun with it.

You claim to be an attorney you must know how motions work and the need to wait for a decision
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January 4th, 2024 at 11:33:59 AM permalink
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ModsÖ.. PLEASE move the drivel about DarkOz and MDawg to MDawgís thread. I am trying to get the full picture about Mentalís practicesÖ.
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I don't mind the hijacking. I just block posters who never say anything of interest to me.

Also, I am not trying to give anyone a full picture of my practices.

I am pointing out that taking a newbie bonus and cashing out is considered promo abuse. This behavior leads to cutbacks in newbie bonuses for everyone. If you sign up for an online casino, consider giving them some intelligent slot play. You may be surprised how easy it is to get on a gravy train. I know you can turn a profit picking off a few dollars a day and I know the high volume model can work. I am not sure about the middle path. I just don't know if you can make it work without putting huge amounts of money at risk. I don't make much theoretical profit at properties where I am not VIP.

Also, it can take a long time to figure out how to get the most out of an online casino. I put a lot of money into online casinos before I started getting money out. There is a lot of variety to the different promo systems online compared to the B&M world.
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January 4th, 2024 at 12:19:15 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: Wizard

Quote: darkoz

There was a gambler who claimed to beat baccarat every day of every week of every year

Eventually that claim was debunked.

MDawg doesn't get it. Apparently never will.
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A challenge was filed about this claim. Per forum rules, darkoz is requested to submit evidence that both said claim was made as well as debunked. Punishment will be given for failure to do so. However, if sufficient evidence is provided, the complainant will serve the punishment.
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This is ridiculous that such a challenge was made and by MDawg obviously in yet another attempt to harass me over his anger about my $20,000 a week claim.

I am hesitant to discuss this here (and I have been informed by the Wizard this challenge is being seriously considered) because it's going to derail/further hijack this thread. So can mods split this challenge out?

There are obviously discovery challenges to be put towards the judge(Wizard) for example what does every year mean? I have to prove every year in written history going back to the first year of the Chinese calendar or do I only have to prove every year to the creation of Baccarat or every year to the day someone began making claims or what? What does every year mean? Hyperbole that only an idiot would require someone prove like if someone says they busted a gut they don't actually mean their gut is physically busted?

So Wizard please define how many years will be required for me to prove that someone claimed to beat baccarat.

I concede if someone claimed to beat baccarat every year since the creation of the earth, that is not something I can prove.

Motion to define "every year" put forward for the court of WOV.
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I'm sure we'll split it out when needed.
Until then, don't worry about challenge related hijacking or derailleur.
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January 4th, 2024 at 12:21:17 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

ModsÖ.. PLEASE move the drivel about DarkOz and MDawg to MDawgís thread. I am trying to get the full picture about Mentalís practicesÖ.
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I'm busy, but someone WILL get to it.
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