Roulette
I recently spent seven days playing roulette at a casino that had two tables. During the seven days black rolled heavily on both tables. Percentage for the last 300 rolls consistently stayed at 51 or 52% on black for the entire week. I kept expecting it to change and level out some but it didn’t for the entire week. What are the odds of that happening for a entire week on two wheels running side by side?
Errors happen regularly.
Keep in mind that writing down numbers that come up in roulette is one of the two things you are legally allowed to keep track of (with pen and paper - not, say, on your cellphone; the other one is, cards in baccarat).
52% black in 300 spins is hardly a sign of bias - especially if the numbers are fairly evenly distributed. You need to track specific numbers to detect bias.
My statisics is a little rusty, but if I am calculating this correctly, the standard deviation of black in 300 spins = sqrt(300 - 1) x sqrt(9/19 x (1 - 9/19)^2 + 10/19 x (0 - 9/19)^2) = sqrt(299 x 180 / 361) = about 12.21.
52% black is 156 out of 300 spins, which is about 14 spins above the mean, or 14 / 12.21 = 1.147 standard deviations, which happens 1/8 of the time.
Quote: DieterI consider them "for entertainment purposes only".
Errors happen regularly.
It's not the board that is faulty, it's the
camera on the wheel. I would guess
that 1 out of 10 wheels have a camera
that messes up sometimes.
On a side note, I have discovered by
accident that I no longer need to use
a pencil and paper to write down
results in a casino. I have played so
many thousands of sessions at home
that I see the what I need to see just
by looking at the tote board. This is a
huge deal for me. If the pit sees you
winning and making notes they will
often ask to see the notes or come
and stand behind me to try and read
them. No notes, no suspicion. They
know roulette can't be beat but they
really don't believe it.
I was laying in bed a couple weeks
ago playing at Bovada and didn't
feel like writing anything down. I
discovered I didn't need to. Holy
crap.
And here I have been claiming it's not a legit winning method.Quote: EvenBob
I was laying in bed a couple weeks
ago playing at Bovada and didn't
feel like writing anything down. I
discovered I didn't need to. Holy
crap.
Quote: EvenBobIf the pit sees you
winning and making notes they will
often ask to see the notes or come
and stand behind me to try and read
them.
Interesting because the casinos encourage Baccarat players to write down results and could care less what we write.
I do recall that at one Blackjack tournament some jerk player was trying to claim that I could not write down the final chip tallies before the final round bet, but in most tournaments I have been in, they hand out pen and paper just for us to write all that down going into the final stretch.
Quote: MDawgInteresting because the casinos encourage Baccarat players to write down results and could care less what we write.
That's because so many bac players do it. You are allowed to do it in roulette but virtually nobody does. I can't remember the last time I saw somebody else taking notes. It takes a very specific pit person to care. Some Boy Scout who wants a feather in his cap. Most of them don't care, all they're thinking about is their next break.
Quote: EvenBob
𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙄 𝙨𝙚𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙬𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙄 𝙣𝙚𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙤 𝙨𝙚𝙚 just 𝙗𝙮 𝙡𝙤𝙤𝙠𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙖𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙩𝙤𝙩𝙚 𝙗𝙤𝙖𝙧𝙙. This is a
huge deal for me. If the pit sees you
winning and making notes they will
often ask to see the notes or come
and stand behind me to try and read
them. No notes, no suspicion.
I was laying in bed a couple weeks
ago playing at Bovada and didn't
feel like writing anything down. I
discovered I didn't need to. 𝙃𝙤𝙡𝙮 𝙘𝙧𝙖𝙥.
𝙃𝙤𝙡𝙮 𝙘𝙧𝙖𝙥 you're talking about the 𝙃𝙤𝙡𝙮 𝙜𝙧𝙖𝙞𝙡
𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙚𝙚𝙨 𝙬𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙝𝙚 𝙣𝙚𝙚𝙙𝙨 𝙩𝙤 𝙨𝙚𝙚 just 𝙗𝙮 𝙡𝙤𝙤𝙠𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙖𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙩𝙤𝙩𝙚 𝙗𝙤𝙖𝙧𝙙
𝕙𝕖 𝕤𝕖𝕖𝕤 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕟𝕦𝕞𝕓𝕖𝕣𝕤 𝕗𝕣𝕠𝕞 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕡𝕒𝕤𝕥_____________________🅰🅽🅳 🆃🅷🅴🅽 🅷🅴 🅺🅽🅾🆆🆂 🆆🅷🅸🅲🅷 🅽🆄🅼🅱🅴🆁🆂 🅰🆁🅴 🅲🅾🅼🅸🅽🅶 🅸🅽 🆃🅷🅴 🅵🆄🆃🆄🆁🅴
𝙞𝙩'𝙨 𝙩𝙧𝙪𝙡𝙮 𝘼𝙈𝘼𝘼𝘼𝘼𝘼𝘼𝘼𝙕𝙄𝙉𝙂!!!!!
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Quote: lilredrooster
𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙚𝙚𝙨 𝙬𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙝𝙚 𝙣𝙚𝙚𝙙𝙨 𝙩𝙤 𝙨𝙚𝙚 just 𝙗𝙮 𝙡𝙤𝙤𝙠𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙖𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙩𝙤𝙩𝙚 𝙗𝙤𝙖𝙧𝙙.
This has always been true, duh. I just don't have to write it down now. Fortune-telling and telepathy have nothing to do with it. Past results leave a clear trail where the near future is going. And please don't bother with any of the platitudes about how roulette works, I've heard them all a million times. Please don't waste your time telling me past results are useless. Thanks..
Quote: EvenBobPast results leave a clear trail where the near future is going.
Greetings, gamblers fallacy.
Hello, superstitious belief.
Quote: EvenBobPlease don't waste your time telling me past results are useless. Thanks..
past results are useless
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Quote: darkozSo EB's winning roulette methods are to check recent past results?
You didn't know this? I've only been talking about it for 15 years. All the people here from Gamblers Glen know that's what I do. Past results, just like in baccarat, a roadmap to the near future. Why do you think bac players write down the results. So they can paste some in their scrapbook later? Don't tell me it's gambler's fallacy, don't tell me they are useless, I will laugh in your face. Just because you have no idea how to use them doesn't mean they're useless. The polar opposite is true.
Here's an idiotic way to play and I see it all the time. You got nine blacks showing on the tote board so your average player will start betting red and raising his bet and raising his bet. Just follow the trend, bet black and you can only lose once. I don't do that cuz it's not worth my time. The tote board will always show you where the game is going in the next few spins you just have to know how how to read it. I discovered this by accident on my wife's birthday in 2004. I'm sitting at a slot machine watching the tote board of a roulette wheel waiting for my wife to get done losing the rest of her money. Never played roulette in my life. I start looking at past spins and making guesses as to the next one. And I was right 14 out of 20 times. A fluke? Who knows, but it sent me on a quest that I'm still on and still improving on.
It's absolutely true that in the long run past results are meaningless and useless. Put in the extreme short-term where we actually play they are worth everything.
Quote: EvenBobYou didn't know this? I've only been talking about it for 15 years. All the people here from Gamblers Glen know that's what I do. Past results, just like in baccarat, a roadmap to the near future. Why do you think bac players write down the results. So they can paste some in their scrapbook later? Don't tell me it's gambler's fallacy, don't tell me they are useless, I will laugh in your face. Just because you have no idea how to use them doesn't mean they're useless. The polar opposite is true.
Here's an idiotic way to play and I see it all the time. You got nine blacks showing on the tote board so your average player will start betting red and raising his bet and raising his bet. Just follow the trend, bet black and you can only lose once. I don't do that cuz it's not worth my time. The tote board will always show you where the game is going in the next few spins you just have to know how how to read it. I discovered this by accident on my wife's birthday in 2004. I'm sitting at a slot machine watching the tote board of a roulette wheel waiting for my wife to get done losing the rest of her money. Never played roulette in my life. I start looking at past spins and making guesses as to the next one. And I was right 14 out of 20 times. A fluke? Who knows, but it sent me on a quest that I'm still on and still improving on.
It's absolutely true that in the long run past results are meaningless and useless. Put in the extreme short-term where we actually play they are worth everything.
I am sure you win with that method in the short term (about fifteen minutes) and lose in the long term (about 45 minutes).
Nice method.
Quote: FinsRuleThe top poster on this forum believes you can use past results to make money on roulette and baccarat. Sigh.
What is sad is you cannot prove that you cannot use past results. All the stats for past results involve the long-term. There are no stats for the short-term. All you ever hear is 'anything can happen in the short-term.' You people are always screaming and stomping your feet at me that I will not tell you anything about what I do. And then when I do tell you you get even more upset. What did you think I did use a Ouija board? Consult tarot cards? Why does nobody ever question baccarat players and laugh at them and make fun of them for writing down past results.
I will repeat. Long-term past results are worthless for playing the game of roulette. Short-term results, the last 7 to 12 spins, are gold. Is it my fault you can't see that? They locked Galileo up because he said he could prove the Earth rotated around the Sun. Why, he was the biggest idiot who ever lived, everybody knew that the sun went around the Earth. Everybody knows you can't use short-term past results in roulette. Case closed discussion over, if you don't want me giving details about what I do quit asking me to do so. It's really that simple.
Quote: darkozI am sure you win with that method in the short term (about fifteen minutes) and lose in the long term (about 45 minutes).
You would be absolutely wrong. There's a point where you get to if your edge over the casino is substantial enough, where you cannot ever lose. You will always be ahead. Substantially ahead. The worst I could do in a single session would be to break even for that session. But that never happens. The only way it could happen is if in a 20 spin session 6 or 7 zeros showed up. And it wouldn't even happen then because after the third zero I would quit playing. Zero's very often appear in packs and I would not take the chance that this is one of those times. Knowing when not to bet might be the biggest tool I have. There are sessions were the outcomes are so chaotically random that I cannot get a foothold anywhere. I only make a bet when I see a bet to make.
Although they could be counting side bets…
Quote: EvenBobYou would be absolutely wrong. There's a point where you get to if your edge over the casino is substantial enough, where you cannot ever lose. You will always be ahead. Substantially ahead. The worst I could do in a single session would be to break even for that session. But that never happens. The only way it could happen is if in a 20 spin session 6 or 7 zeros showed up. And it wouldn't even happen then because after the third zero I would quit playing. Zero's very often appear in packs and I would not take the chance that this is one of those times. Knowing when not to bet might be the biggest tool I have. There are sessions were the outcomes are so chaotically random that I cannot get a foothold anywhere. I only make a bet when I see a bet to make.
Yes you can flap your arms and levitate when the wind is correct and we are all stupid for doubting you.
Quote: darkozYes you can flap your arms and levitate when the wind is correct and we are all stupid for doubting you.
This is just about exactly the kind of comment I was expecting from you. Believe me when I tell you, or don't. I am an expert in this area. And you are not.
Quote: FinsRuleI make fun of baccarat players writing down results. Just not to their faces.
You don't do it to their faces because you know full well they would laugh at you in return. When you're getting results doing something and someone comes along and tells you that you aren't getting results, you tend to dismiss that person as not knowing what they're talking about.
Quote: Ace2EB, let me get this straight. As an example, you’re saying that if you record a series of fair coin flips, you have a feel for the next 10 - 20 flips?
It's always for the next flip, no farther than that. Because the next flip could change everything just like the next spin could change everything. Roulette is played spin to spin in the extreme short-term where. long-term stats mean nothing. In the world of statistics short-term stats are always meaningless.
the wheel has no memory
it's an inanimate object
nothing anybody posts on WOV can ever change that fact
more and more new members are coming here every month posting about the merits of fallacious betting systems
long time members such as OnceDear, Axel, DarkOz, TomG and myself who rebut these systems will probably become fatigued and interject less often
Tom G has posted that he is so turned off by it all that he can only stomach checking in here once a week
it seems to me very likely that very soon, WOV will be dominated by these types of fantastical posters spouting these kinds of fantastical tales
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Quote: lilredrooster____________
the wheel has no memory
But I do. Thanks for sharing your interesting platitude..
Quote: EvenBob
that I see the what I need to see just
by looking at the 𝐭𝐨𝐭𝐞 𝐛𝐨𝐚𝐫𝐝.
incorrect usage of the words 𝐭𝐨𝐭𝐞 𝐛𝐨𝐚𝐫𝐝
roulette games display results but that is not an accurate description of the display
the word 𝐭𝐨𝐭𝐞 in gambling comes from horse racing
odds and payouts are displayed on what is called a 𝐭𝐨𝐭𝐞 𝐛𝐨𝐚𝐫𝐝
the word 𝐭𝐨𝐭𝐞 is short for the word totalizer
what does the word "totalizer" mean?
from Merriam-Webster
"one that totalizes: such as. a : pari-mutuel sense 2. b : a device (such as a meter) that records a remaining total (as of fuel)"
in racing the 𝐭𝐨𝐭𝐞 𝐛𝐨𝐚𝐫𝐝 displays calculated odds and payouts
the roulette results display does no such thing
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The math is the math and the facts are the facts short term, or long term. Past results will not help you AT ALL in the short term or long term predicting what will happen next.Quote: EvenBobWhat is sad is you cannot prove that you cannot use past results. All the stats for past results involve the long-term. There are no stats for the short-term. All you ever hear is 'anything can happen in the short-term.' You people are always screaming and stomping your feet at me that I will not tell you anything about what I do. And then when I do tell you you get even more upset. What did you think I did use a Ouija board? Consult tarot cards? Why does nobody ever question baccarat players and laugh at them and make fun of them for writing down past results.
I will repeat. Long-term past results are worthless for playing the game of roulette. Short-term results, the last 7 to 12 spins, are gold. Is it my fault you can't see that? They locked Galileo up because he said he could prove the Earth rotated around the Sun. Why, he was the biggest idiot who ever lived, everybody knew that the sun went around the Earth. Everybody knows you can't use short-term past results in roulette. Case closed discussion over, if you don't want me giving details about what I do quit asking me to do so. It's really that simple.
All your sessions add up to the long run, trying to time your bests using past results won't change that, especially when playing somthing that has a 2%-5% HA. From what you said regarding how long and how often you claim to have been playing roulette, you are well enough into the long to be down money.
Quote: EvenBob𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐥𝐨𝐜𝐤𝐞𝐝 𝐆𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐥𝐞𝐨 𝐮𝐩 because he said he could prove the Earth rotated around the Sun. Why, he was the biggest idiot who ever lived, everybody knew that the sun went around the Earth. Everybody knows you can't use short-term past results in roulette. what I do quit asking me to do so. It's really that simple.
comparing himself to Galileo
can you believe it?
you couldn't even dream up stuff like this
it's so far over the top
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the important story is not about this thread or even this forum
the important story is that people all over the country and all over the world are being seduced by similarly fantastical tales
there are thousands of similar stories all over the web - on other forums and on YouTube
it's related to the informational challenges created by the web whereby people with no credentials make unfounded claims and garner a great many followers
it used to be, that to publish information an editor would have to verify a person's credentials and would do fact checking
that system wasn't perfect - and false information still got out there quite often
but not nearly as much as when the web started to boom
all of these thousands or maybe even millions of stories about winning gambling systems
you would think that with that many there would be one person who could provide actual proof of a similar system being valid
but in all of these years it's never happened
never has one single person provided proof of a winning gambling system based on money management (progressions) or bet selection or a combination of both
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While EB posts that he laughs in my face and types stuff like (you would be wrong, snikker snikker) I collect his cash
Indirectly of course since I don't gamble where he does but I'm talking industry wide.
Slot players often wipe the screen with their hands while the reel is in play. That has as much influence as licking the carpet below their feet but if you ask them they will tell you it works. They win more doing it.
Ploppies don't understand why they can't win, they desperately need to win and so make up crapola to convince themselves.
EB laughs guessing spins, Ploppies wipe slot screens AP's win.
We all know Bob is going ask why someone with a winning system/method would ever open their mouth.Quote: lilredrooster_________
the important story is not about this thread or even this forum
the important story is that people all over the country and all over the world are being seduced by similarly fantastical tales
there are thousands of similar stories all over the web - on other forums and on YouTube
it's related to the informational challenges created by the web whereby people with no credentials make unfounded claims and garner a great many followers
it used to be, that to publish information an editor would have to verify a person's credentials and would do fact checking
that system wasn't perfect - and false information still got out there quite often
but not nearly as much as when the web started to boom
all of these thousands or maybe even millions of stories about winning gambling systems
you would think that with that many there would be one person who could provide actual proof of a similar system being valid
but in all of these years it's never happened
never has one single person provided proof of a winning gambling system based on money management (progressions) or bet selection or a combination of both
.
Bob claiming he has a winning roulette method/system is more about him refusing to admit just how horribly wrong he was so many years ago.
He self-appointed his system a method so he himself could admonish other system players, because he knows damn well systems don't/can't work.
I already lapped up plenty of cash from one of the places he is currently playing. He is just helping them get a small fraction of it back and allowing me and others future opportunities.Quote: darkozI'm also fatigued and disappointed however I am just coming to the silver lining that without Ploppies who believe in their systems nonsense, the casinos wouldn't make as much money which would affect my bottom line as an AP.
While EB posts that he laughs in my face and types stuff like (you would be wrong, snikker snikker) I collect his cash
Indirectly of course since I don't gamble where he does but I'm talking industry wide.
Slot players often wipe the screen with their hands while the reel is in play. That has as much influence as licking the carpet below their feet but if you ask them they will tell you it works. They win more doing it.
Ploppies don't understand why they can't win, they desperately need to win and so make up crapola to convince themselves.
EB laughs guessing spins, Ploppies wipe slot screens AP's win.
p.s. Had he used Bitcoin as I told him to back then when he was having issues with checks or whatever, he probably would be up a significant amount of money if he kept it in BTC, I think he indicated it was too complicated or somthing like that, and yet, this is the guy claiming to have found the holy grail.
Quote: AxelWolfPast results will not help you AT ALL in the short term or long term predicting what will happen next.
Problem with your nice little theory is that I'm using past results to predict the next spin with great success and have been doing it for over 15 years. Back to the drawing board for you I guess. Oh well.
Quote: EvenBobProblem with your nice little theory is that I'm using past results to predict the next spin with great success and have been doing it for over 15 years. Back to the drawing board for you I guess. Oh well. Fucken morons
Quoted for posterity. See you some other time.
Quote: lilredrooster_________
all of these thousands or maybe even millions of stories about winning gambling systems
How do you know it isn't billions? Exaggeration for effect, that's what you're doing is called. I don't use a system, I use a method.
That's exactly what he wants, a forced exit from the kitchen heat.Quote: Mission146Quoted for posterity. See you some other time.
Quote: AxelWolfThat's exactly what he wants, a forced exit from the kitchen heat.
Gone is gone, so I'm not going to be picky.
Quote: darkoz
EB laughs guessing spins, .
I have called it educated guessing since about 2008. Those from GG will remember.
Nope you use a system and claim it's a method for exactly this reason. Methods can be proven with math and logic and clearly show +EV. Using past events to predict future random gambling events can not be proven with either math or logic, therefor your so-called method is actually a SYSTEM.Quote: EvenBobHow do you know it isn't billions? Exaggeration for effect, that's what you're doing is called. I don't use a system, I use a method.
Quote: AxelWolf
He self-appointed his system a method so he himself could admonish other system players, because he knows damn well systems don't/can't work.
There is nothing symptomatic about what I do. That's why I call it a method. You actually have to think in order to play this way. System implies that you act automatically and there's nothing automatic about what I do.
A pile of dog crap by any other name still stinks.
Problem with your nice little theory is that I have superpowers that allow me to read your mind and watch your roulette play with great success and have been doing it for over 15 years. Back to the drawing board for you, I guess. Oh well. Mere mortals.Quote: EvenBobProblem with your nice little theory is that I'm using past results to predict the next spin with great success and have been doing it for over 15 years. Back to the drawing board for you I guess. Oh well. Fucken morons
I think the symptoms might be listed on this site.... https://gamblingproblems.org/.Quote: EvenBobThere is nothing symptomatic about what I do.
Quote: Mission146Gone is gone, so I'm not going to be picky.
Maybe you can't predict the spin of a roulette ball but you can predict when someone is getting the banhammer.
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He was using past history to predict future results. This can work on non-random gambling events.Quote: darkozMaybe you can't predict the spin of a roulette ball but you can predict when someone is getting the banhammer.
And likes to avoid the problems that come with being rich, but embraces the problems that come with chasing a fruitless endeavor for over 15 years.Quote: lilredroosterhe's had a winning roulette system, excuse me - "method" for over 15 years but he asks for opinions from forum members about buying a Minivan with 200,000 miles for $2500.
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Let’s say I play a total of 300 hands of blackjack over the course of ten years and my net result is a gain (46% chance I have a gain). Therefore, my method beats the house edge. Does that sound about right?
Quote: EvenBobBack to the drawing board for you I guess. Oh well.
The quoted post was edited, removing the profane insult.
The insult was witnessed and documented by at least two forum members.
I do not care to reintroduce the insult to the forum.
Whether a sign of remorse, fear of reprisal, or an attempted means of trolling is largely irrelevant -
Such indecorum is despicable.
14 days.
Wise members will do well to remember to keep from the edge of the cliff on windy days.
