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May 1st, 2020 at 4:53:10 PM permalink
Hi All,

Can anyone advise whether John Patrick is still with us, or whether he's gone to the great publishing house in the sky?

His most recent online posting that I can find is one on his Facebook page that is a little over a year old. At the time I think he would have been around 86-87 years old. Both of the domains he had registered no longer have any of his material at the end of them (in actual fact johnpatrick.com, the domain detailed on his LinkedIn page, looks to have lapsed and has now been registered by someone else).

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November 11th, 2020 at 7:40:02 AM permalink
Quote: Goethe

Can anyone advise whether John Patrick is still with us, or whether he's gone to the great publishing house in the sky?



He seems to have vanished. Anyone else know anything?

His last post on his Facebook page was on March 13, 2019. His personal web site is gone.
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November 11th, 2020 at 10:20:20 AM permalink
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He seems to have vanished. Anyone else know anything?

His last post on his Facebook page was on March 13, 2019. His personal web site is gone.

He died.

https://m.startribune.com/obituaries/detail/160012/
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November 11th, 2020 at 10:52:22 AM permalink
Are you sure that's the right obit? One of the comments is from 2016 & his facebook page was active until 2019.
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November 11th, 2020 at 10:58:11 AM permalink
"Uncle Angelo"on Youtube says he passed away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A38RjMBFWW8

He responded to my question a few minutes after I asked.
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November 11th, 2020 at 2:54:09 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

Quote: Wizard

He seems to have vanished. Anyone else know anything?

His last post on his Facebook page was on March 13, 2019. His personal web site is gone.

He died.

https://m.startribune.com/obituaries/detail/160012/



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He graduated from Redwood Falls High School in 1961, attended St. Thomas College in St. Paul, MN, and the University of MN where he was a member of Phi Kappa Psi fraternity making many lifelong friends.



I believe Patrick said he never attended college. Maybe even didn't graduate from high school; I don't remember. His math level was consistent with that of a high school drop out.
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November 11th, 2020 at 3:38:52 PM permalink
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His math level was consistent with that of a high school drop out.



I distinctly remember one of his videos advising not to split 8s against a dealer 10 because then you'll just lose twice.
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November 11th, 2020 at 3:49:58 PM permalink
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I distinctly remember one of his videos advising not to split 8s against a dealer 10 because then you'll just lose twice.



I think the way he put it was, "Why turn one bad hand into two?"

I offered to bank against him playing that starting hand if he did the same for me at the same bet level. Of course, he said "no."

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November 11th, 2020 at 3:54:45 PM permalink
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I distinctly remember one of his videos advising not to split 8s against a dealer 10 because then you'll just lose twice.



And a lot of times you do! :(

Of course the problem with 8,8 vs 10 is that you don't win more by making the correct play....you lose slightly less (longrun). A lot of players have a hard time with that distinction.

For a card counter even worse. You are at a high + count, meaning you have your bigger bets out and you KNOW there are a surplus of 10's remaining, making an even greater likelihood that your going to end up with two 18's both losing to the dealer 20. I mean you gotta make the play because it is the optimal play, but it is not a good feeling when I get 8,8 vs dealer 10 with max bet out.
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November 11th, 2020 at 4:05:28 PM permalink
I didn't know John Patrick, only of him and his books. I never encountered him on any forum. So in reading the obit that teliot linked to, find it interesting that if this is indeed him, he comes from a casino owning family, something I did not know. Reading that almost makes you wonder if that played a part in all those books and strategies that were/are not winning strategies. (good for the casino which is in his blood lines) lol
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November 11th, 2020 at 4:39:58 PM permalink
Yeah... I didn't know if this thread would be an appropriate time to say it, but I wouldn't recommend any of his books. Haven't read them other than when looking for other gambling books in bookstores, but even a quick skim was disappointing.
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November 11th, 2020 at 4:40:45 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Quote: smoothgrh

I distinctly remember one of his videos advising not to split 8s against a dealer 10 because then you'll just lose twice.



And a lot of times you do! :(

Of course the problem with 8,8 vs 10 is that you don't win more by making the correct play....you lose slightly less (longrun). A lot of players have a hard time with that distinction.



I was one of those players who eventually learned the distinction.
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March 10th, 2021 at 7:19:10 PM permalink
Hi John is very much alive! He is my Uncle and spent an hour on the phone with him tonight! 03/10/21 He has a Facebook page!
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March 10th, 2021 at 7:22:51 PM permalink
Hi, John is my uncle and is very much alive! Spent time on the phone with him tonight! 3/12/2021! He does have an active Facebook page
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March 10th, 2021 at 10:29:14 PM permalink
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Hi, John is my uncle and is very much alive! Spent time on the phone with him tonight! 3/12/2021! He does have an active Facebook page



Yeah? Vegas paper says otherwise.

https://obits.reviewjournal.com/us/obituaries/lvrj/name/patrick-laughlin-obituary?pid=181811585#:~:text=PATRICK%20LAUGHLIN%20John%20Patrick%20Laughlin,a%20lengthy%20battle%20with%20Dementia.
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March 11th, 2021 at 12:21:58 AM permalink
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Yeah? Vegas paper says otherwise.

https://obits.reviewjournal.com/us/obituaries/lvrj/name/patrick-laughlin-obituary?pid=181811585#:~:text=PATRICK%20LAUGHLIN%20John%20Patrick%20Laughlin,a%20lengthy%20battle%20with%20Dementia.



I guess this is how you win at roulette? Just misinterpret stuff.

The names don't match. The article mentions the guy was involved with gambling but nothing about him writing books.

And their faces don't match either.

From the article



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March 11th, 2021 at 2:29:08 AM permalink
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The names don't match.



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March 11th, 2021 at 3:44:58 AM permalink
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He's alive? Thank god, thank
you Jesus. It's a miracle..



Why is the tone of your voice apparently belittling the man?

Maybe you don't believe his work, but that is no reason to claim falsehoods and insinuate the person is dead.

Didn't you say gambling is for suckers and you personally would not bet unless it was a sure win or guaranteed win?

Yes, you did say that. 3-10-21 page 295 of MDawg's thread, The Adventures of MDawg. AS FOLLOWS : "Gambling is for suckers. Only make bets when you know you can't lose." So my interpretation of that would literally be, you've never stepped foot into a casino or at least you've never placed a wager. Correct? My question at this point,, would have to the following: Why are you on a gambling forum? And, why devote a considerable amount of your time apparently on almost a daily basis to gambling forums?
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March 11th, 2021 at 6:48:15 AM permalink
That is not my Uncle John! He is alive, up there in age but funny as ever! He lives in Florida! Any questions about John Patrick feel free to email me! dmgambe@ya[email address slightly disrupted]hoo.com Thank you
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March 11th, 2021 at 6:52:21 AM permalink
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That is not my Uncle John! He is alive, up there in age but funny as ever! He lives in Florida! Any questions about John Patrick feel free to email me! ! Thank you



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March 11th, 2021 at 6:54:31 AM permalink
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Why is the tone of your voice apparently belittling the man?



i dont give a shit if i get banned for this but this is literally the one reason why i wont respond to text messages from my own girlfriend. if she wants to have a conversation i will have it with her face to face.

You know what i dont like the tone of your message. Me personally, I dont like the tone of your message. Now i bet you didnt think "is this message just personally offending me?" or did you just think whoever they are talking about is not strong enough to stick up for themselves and you thought that you would just think for them as well. What if they dont give a shit - and here you are defending a ghost - who we still dont even know is alive.

And here comes donna - from florida. just another oddly plain jane name - from florida. WHO DO YOU KNOW IS FROM FLORIDA AND ALWAYS HAS ODDLY PLAIN NAMES.
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March 11th, 2021 at 7:02:16 AM permalink
Quote: Goethe

Hi All,

Can anyone advise whether John Patrick is still with us, or whether he's gone to the great publishing house in the sky?

His most recent online posting that I can find is one on his Facebook page that is a little over a year old. At the time I think he would have been around 86-87 years old. Both of the domains he had registered no longer have any of his material at the end of them (in actual fact , the domain detailed on his LinkedIn page, looks to have lapsed and has now been registered by someone else).

Thanks.


He died...
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March 11th, 2021 at 7:30:53 AM permalink
Will do! Can you please pass the word on he is very much still with us!
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Quote: Donna

That is not my Uncle John! He is alive, up there in age but funny as ever! He lives in Florida! Any questions about John Patrick feel free to email me! dmgambe@ya[email address slightly disrupted]hoo.com Thank you



I appreciate you making the effort to create a WoV account so you could update everyone. Welcome! I have no idea how you found out about our discussion, but your news made my day.

When I first started playing craps, your uncle's books were everywhere, and I enjoyed his books on craps. He had strong opinions about many gaming subjects, such as regressing a win bet rather than pressing the win amount. No, it doesn't guarantee winning more money, but I have found it sometimes helps me to play longer. Also, he explained each and every bet in great detail. When I was a new player, John Patrick took me on a detailed tour of the game I was trying to learn. His simple, direct writing style was easy -- and fun -- to read.
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March 11th, 2021 at 7:43:10 AM permalink
Marcusclark66 I donít know who you are and from your post donít care to! I can assure you Iím not a plain Jane and no I donít live in Florida! John Patrick is ALIVE! Iím his brother Neils daughter! However Neil isnít with us anymore! You have any other questions feel free to email me at dmgambe@ya[email address slightly disrupted]hoo.com Hope things get better for you, from your post it seems you have anger issues!
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March 11th, 2021 at 7:49:26 AM permalink
Not sure how I found you guys either but when I read people thought he was gambling in heaven I had to at least try to correct it! He still loves to talk LOL!
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March 11th, 2021 at 7:54:15 AM permalink
John Patrick is my Uncle and is ALIVE!!! I donít know who Uncle Angelo is but he is mistaken!
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March 11th, 2021 at 8:00:32 AM permalink
John Patrick was born and raised in West Orange NJ! He lived in New Jersey most of his life before moving to Florida were he LIVES today!
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March 11th, 2021 at 8:07:39 AM permalink
I find this all interesting! My grandparents didnít own any casinos! Grandma was a stay at home mother, grandpa had a radio shop! Donít know exactly how John got started in this business! John Patrick is still alive living in Florida! Any questions email me at dmgambe@ya[email address slightly disrupted]hoo.com!
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March 11th, 2021 at 8:46:50 AM permalink
Many years ago John Patrick had a Friday night show on pay-per-view where he would give his picks for the weekend NFL games. This was probably in the mid to late 90s?

The show was super cheesy, but also good, and entertaining. I liked the man.

Of course, it wasn't worth the $10 price tag each week. I was able to watch for free via a cheater box so I never missed an episode.
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March 11th, 2021 at 9:03:15 AM permalink
1) Donna you might want to ask Admin to redact your email. Bots visit any site with traffic and scour for such things. You might get spammed to death.

2) I believe you directed your post to the wrong party MarcusClark66 was commenting on a post that he believed belittled your uncle, and commented in defense of your uncle. The "anger issues" if any come from the person who then stepped in to comment further on that matter. But even there, I don't particularly recall Heatmap as being a bad guy or hothead, so don't jump to conclusions about him either.

EB is well capable of defending himself.
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March 11th, 2021 at 9:25:46 AM permalink
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Marcusclark66 I donít know who you are and from your post donít care to! I can assure you Iím not a plain Jane and no I donít live in Florida! John Patrick is ALIVE! Iím his brother Neils daughter! However Neil isnít with us anymore! You have any other questions feel free to email me at dmgambe@yahoo.com Hope things get better for you, from your post it seems you have anger issues!



WAIT A SECOND!!!!!!!!

Hey Donna, I said nothing against your uncle and in fact I believe I defended him. I get tired of other people posting on this forum as well as other forums that I frequent outside of gambling and the casino in Industry which I work in and making rude and crude comments to Side track and derail people that are genuinely interested in communication and sharing ideas and thoughts.

But back to the issue. I said nothing against your uncle. You need to go back and read!
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March 11th, 2021 at 10:14:28 AM permalink
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Side track and derail people



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Quote: Marcusclark66

Why is the tone of your voice apparently belittling the man?

Maybe you don't believe his work, but that is no reason to claim falsehoods and insinuate the person is dead.

Didn't you say gambling is for suckers and you personally would not bet unless it was a sure win or guaranteed win?

Yes, you did say that. 3-10-21 page 295 of MDawg's thread, The Adventures of MDawg. AS FOLLOWS : "Gambling is for suckers. Only make bets when you know you can't lose." So my interpretation of that would literally be, you've never stepped foot into a casino or at least you've never placed a wager. Correct? My question at this point,, would have to the following: Why are you on a gambling forum? And, why devote a considerable amount of your time apparently on almost a daily basis to gambling forums?



sure sure lets get back to the thread your right
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March 11th, 2021 at 3:55:05 PM permalink
People can't hit their place bets more than once before a 7-out so they have to regress their bets on a win?
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March 12th, 2021 at 1:18:06 AM permalink
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I find this all interesting! My grandparents didnít own any casinos! Grandma was a stay at home mother, grandpa had a radio shop! Donít know exactly how John got started in this business! John Patrick is still alive living in Florida! Any questions email me at dmgambe@ya[email address slightly !



Thanks Donna for letting us know and updating his status. Tell him I say hi. I remember trying to email him when his forum went down but he didn't answer. John Patrick might remember me from his forum out of his gambling website. I believe i was the only female there when he let it go because, I thought, he was getting too old and in poor health; he's about 86-88 now? It was the first gambling forum that I frequented and I was 20 to 22 then. I wish JP the best.

As a side note, John Patrick's greatest contribution to craps in my opinion is coming up with the Patrick system. John wasn't into the vig in craps and on his forum he thought the Ricochet method, which he also created, was better. The Patrick system has a one percent vig, i think.
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Donna,

Thank you for going to the trouble of opening an account on this forum and of letting us know that your uncle is still with us. Much appreciated by us degenerate gamblers!

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May 1st, 2021 at 6:24:49 PM permalink
THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT CRAPS 1 bankroll 2 knowledge of the game 3 money management 4 discipline JOHN PATRICKS own words!!! The big four
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THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT CRAPS 1 bankroll 2 knowledge of the game 3 money management 4 discipline JOHN PATRICKS own words!!! The big four

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May 1st, 2021 at 6:40:19 PM permalink
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THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT CRAPS 1 bankroll 2 knowledge of the game 3 money management 4 discipline JOHN PATRICKS own words!!! The big four



1. Itís a negative expectation game.

2. All bets are negative expectation.

3. Itís a negative expectation game, but playing those within your means and with money youíre comfortable losing is good if youíre going to play at all.

4. The discipline to realize itís a negative expectation game and to play within your means. The only exception is if there are factors outside of the game itself, various forms of AP, that might make the overall proposition positive expectation.

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May 1st, 2021 at 8:22:56 PM permalink
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Don't be a dope. I remember that from the infomercials when I was a kid.

yea well read his book its in there too in fact its his recommended way to play take it or leave it
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May 1st, 2021 at 10:41:15 PM permalink
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yea well read his book its in there too in fact its his recommended way to play take it or leave it

I really just found his lingo very amusing, it wasn't meant to be offensive to you. I also think there is nothing wrong with what you said about craps, as long as what you thought you learned wasn't a secret to winning. Playing craps, things can get out of control really fast, and you do have to know the game to make your bets and not be ripped off or be subject to breakage by betting the wrong amount ratios. I don't fault discipline not letting yourself lose your cool and it's ok to leave a game of gambling any time you want. Things get out of control for anyone making excuses and I have to remind myself to not confuse them into gambling more than they really want and losing more than they really want to lose. I only bet the outside, because that's all I've bothered to ever learn and also the lowest edge bets, so why bother learning anything else and I leave when I feel like I don't want to risk anything more and don't feel like standing at a table any longer. I never read his books, but it seems like his advice was better than nothing and probably still is. Regular people don't need to have expertise in gambling, because it's not worth their time learning, and are probably better off being scared a little, and keeping a budget they are emotionally and practically comfortable with.
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May 1st, 2021 at 11:17:20 PM permalink
Let's not forget the "little three:" theory, logic and trends.
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May 2nd, 2021 at 8:10:46 AM permalink
When gambling was first legalized in NJ (1978?) John Patrick ran seminars in NJ to teach you about gambling. He taught you the basics of Craps, Roulette, Black Jack etc.

I attended one of those seminars. It was taught at the local High School as one of its night school classes. It was so popular that the classes filled up quickly and they kept on adding more classes to fill up requests.

One of the things he stressed was that gambling was not fun. Gambling was about winning money. He was not there to teach you how to have fun. He was there to teach you about gambling. He said that if you want to have fun, GO OUT ON THE BOARDWALK AND RIDE THE ROLLER COASTER.
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May 2nd, 2021 at 12:04:23 PM permalink
I don't know very much about the intricacies of craps as it's not something that is widely available in UK casinos. On the odd occasions when you do run into a dice tub on the gaming floor they're usually missing the pass line and it's prop bets only.

Overall I think it's fair to say that much of Mr P's advice when it comes down to the finer points of casino table games, as he recorded it in his many titles, has to be taken with a pinch of salt. However, there were a few nuggets of common sense to be found, and for anyone interested my review of his book "John Patrick's Slots" can be found here: http://www.uk-21.org/JohnPatricksSlots.shtml

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May 2nd, 2021 at 12:48:48 PM permalink
Well, he got at least one thing right in his books: Dolly Parton does / did indeed have a nice set of jugs.

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May 2nd, 2021 at 3:46:05 PM permalink
I distinctly remember one of his videos advising not to split 8s against a dealer 10 because then you'll just lose twice.
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May 2nd, 2021 at 5:15:29 PM permalink
Quote: FatGeezus

When gambling was first legalized in NJ (1978?) John Patrick ran seminars in NJ to teach you about gambling. He taught you the basics of Craps, Roulette, Black Jack etc.

I attended one of those seminars. It was taught at the local High School as one of its night school classes. It was so popular that the classes filled up quickly and they kept on adding more classes to fill up requests.

One of the things he stressed was that gambling was not fun. Gambling was about winning money. He was not there to teach you how to have fun. He was there to teach you about gambling. He said that if you want to have fun, GO OUT ON THE BOARDWALK AND RIDE THE ROLLER COASTER.

I did not know about his classes in schools..That tells me he was very serious about not letting people lose there money to the casinos.. that was in the late 80s early 90s when folks didn't have alot of ways to learn about gambling..What I learned from his books and videos was that gambling is really NO JOKE..I think that attitude has changed now and people are just looking for a good time ya know that " go big or go home"vibe..
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May 2nd, 2021 at 5:38:09 PM permalink
JP stopped by Gamblers Glen about 15 years ago and I tried to challenge him to a roulette contest and he wouldn't go for it. Any GG people here remember that?
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January 17th, 2022 at 12:23:48 PM permalink
Sort of.

I recall he made a brief appearance, then exited.

I read elsewhere today conflicting accounts as to whether JP is still alive; one guy said JP passed away a year ago while another insists he recently spoke with him.
Last edited by: MrV on Jan 17, 2022
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January 18th, 2022 at 3:22:29 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146[/q


2. All bets are negative expectation game.


What about odds bets?

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