Vegasrider
Vegasrider
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January 15th, 2020 at 8:41:02 PM permalink
So I have been tracking all of my hands in UTH and lately for the DJ Wild game which I have been winning on a regular basis. I track using a pen and a small scratch piece of paper that is used for the parlay cards. I have been tracking the number of hands I win and lose, bonus hands that I have qualified and most importantly the number of hands I have played during each session. Tonight the shift manager came by and informed me thst I had to put my pen and paper away. She said I could use tge pen to mark the cards. I always made sure that whenever I did make an entry, it was off ths rail. Trust me, there are more discreet ways to mark the cards vs using a pen, which I would never do. Now, just tracking my hands is not cheating, and the game DJ wild is a game that is shuffled after every hand. I've never played Bacarrat before but arent the plauers allowed to take notes? Do players touch the cards in Baccarat? I was playing solo so that in itself I was at some sort of disadvantage but managed to get my 1st Royal in this game. 50:1.

I will have to contact the gaming commission and ask them what Im doing is considered cheating, player advantage or just illegal. By the way, I am not slowimg down the game in anyway.
Romes
Romes
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January 15th, 2020 at 10:37:53 PM permalink
Casinos write ambiguous laws intentionally. They could claim you're using the pen/pencil/etc is a "device" which is illegal. You need to check the baccarat tables at the same casino. Usually they'll have a lower limit game where players can keep track of the hands/whatever, but they don't touch the cards. Check the higher limit ones where the players do handle the cards and see if they also are allowed pens/etc. That'll go a long way in your fight, but in the end you're going to lose because they can just ban you for no reason.

Also, I do like the idea of keeping track, but man that data will be absolutely meaningless unless you log like 250k hands. The variance in those games can be pretty wild. If you really just want to see if the game is rigged or something, just stand behind the table and watch. Or, keep mental track (or keep track with chips) and then go to the bathroom during breaks or something and text it to yourself.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
LoquaciousMoFW
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January 15th, 2020 at 11:23:30 PM permalink
Baccarat procedures won't help the argument, because gaming regulations allow handwritten notes for baccarat:
5.150 Devices prohibited under NRS 465.075; exceptions.
1. It shall not be a violation of NRS 465.075 for a person to:
(a) Make and refer to handwritten records of the cards played at baccarat;
(b) Make and refer to handwritten records of roulette results; or
(c) Refer to records of the cards played at faro, where the records are made by the licensee in the
manner traditional to that game.
2. The Chair, in the Chair’s sole and absolute discretion, may approve the use of devices not
described in subsection 1 upon the written request of a licensee, subject to such conditions as the Chair
may impose. No approval shall be effective unless it is in writing. It shall not be a violation of NRS 465.075
for a person to possess or use, in accordance with the terms of the approval, a device approved pursuant
to this subsection. As used in this subsection, “Chair” means the Chair of the Nevada Gaming Control Board
or the Chair’s designee.
Vegasrider
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January 16th, 2020 at 12:04:04 PM permalink
NRS rules are pretty clear. I guess my pen and paper can be viewed as a device. But its silly because its a game that is shuffled after every hand. I still keep track but I use different stacks of chips. And since I always sit at 3rd base, it doesn't get in the way of other players.

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