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January 9th, 2020 at 5:49:11 PM permalink
I think 2020 is going to see a lot more Wizard of Odds videos. We are still kicking around ideas, but some easy ones to crank out will be narrated videos of the demo games at Wizard of Odds. This one is not necessarily a keeper, but I'm throwing up there for your comments.



Please have a look at let me know what you think. I am very open to suggestions for improvement. For example, too short, too long, too simple, too difficult, the audio was bad, etc..

The question for the poll is what is your general opinion of the video?
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January 9th, 2020 at 7:58:28 PM permalink
It's not bad and it gets the basic points across. The trouble with using the demo is you're at the mercy of the draw so you can't really build on earlier points by presenting the game in a logical order. Your stuck with a scattershot reaction to the cards at hand.

You could do some live examples first and then proceed to the demo but this would probably double the length of the video and I think your instincts are correct in keeping them around ten minutes. Of course, UTH is one of the trickier games to quickly explain. Maybe you should start with demo game videos of 3CP or LiR which are far less nuanced.
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January 10th, 2020 at 12:41:12 PM permalink
Good honest generic feedback (I hope):

I like the idea for the videos to highlight your amazing games and trainers and strategies.

Future use betting amounts to a typical bettor ($10 probably best of both worlds for easy math).

You discussed the "warn on strategy" error but never showed it! That is a PHENOMENAL tool and so amazing when learning strategies on all of your games. I personally think it's something you should highlight over and over in EVERY game, especially VP/etc. This is something the player (I know I have) will get the most out of and love the most I think.

Assume when you make a youtube video like this you'll put links in the description to the game, strategy, etc, etc. I watched this embedded here not on youtube apologies if you already did that =P.

Not sure how this wouuld relate to other games, but for UTX you said Raise and assumed 4x, but I think it beneficial to let the player know the casino will try to short you by allowing you to make a 3x raise, and that this should NEVER be done. The point of the 4x raise is because mathematically in the long run your hand has the advantage over the dealers hand.

Not a fan of the "hidden" pair vs non-hidden pair. I can understand why you say it, but most typical players this will confuse them greatly, in my opinion.

I honestly never realized when you said "outs" you referred to the cards that beat you. In poker, outs are cards that win for you. So say a board is 2-5-6-8-10 and you have K-x, then my "outs" to win would be 3, 4, 7, 9, J, Q... so 24 outs.
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January 10th, 2020 at 1:56:02 PM permalink
When referring to the dealer, the word dealer is good enough. Getting gender specific is frowned upon these days.
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January 10th, 2020 at 4:37:31 PM permalink
Quote: Vegasrider

Getting gender specific is frowned upon these days.



I don't care. When in doubt, I use "he" and make no apologies. The alternative of "he/she" is too awkward.

In other news, I just redid the video based on the suggestions received. Thank you to all who left feedback, here and elsewhere.



I welcome comments on this second version.
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January 10th, 2020 at 5:26:11 PM permalink
Better. You're more focused here and going to the WOO page at the end to show its UTH offerings is a great idea.

One critical point you miss in this second video (which you do make in the first) Is that in UTH (like in blackjack) everyone is playing against the dealer. When explaining the game to people at home or even a casino, I've found this is what seems to confuse virgin players the most.

Also the random deal of the demo game was unfortunate here. Trying to explain the 21 outs strategy on the very first deal will just make the eyes of most newbies glaze over.
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January 10th, 2020 at 7:23:52 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

Better. You're more focused here and going to the WOO page at the end to show its UTH offerings is a great idea.

One critical point you miss in this second video (which you do make in the first) Is that in UTH (like in blackjack) everyone is playing against the dealer. When explaining the game to people at home or even a casino, I've found this is what seems to confuse virgin players the most.

Also the random deal of the demo game was unfortunate here. Trying to explain the 21 outs strategy on the very first deal will just make the eyes of most newbies glaze over.



Thanks! I suppose I could have cherry picked hands for the video but I also wanted it to have a natural feel. It was just chance that a tough hand appeared first. I liked how a pair of aces happened in the second hand. I did remove one hand with a two pair on the board where I blew my explanation.

I thank all again for their suggestions. More of these demo game videos will be coming.
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January 10th, 2020 at 7:53:33 PM permalink
I just use the word he too, not he/she. Too awkward I agree.

It's also okay to refer to all actors as...actors, male or female.
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January 10th, 2020 at 9:38:31 PM permalink
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...I welcome comments on this second version.

Nice video, good updates, and I definitely like that you showed your web page with all of the great work you've done to help players play the game correctly.
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January 10th, 2020 at 9:43:41 PM permalink
There's far too much 'rumble' in the sound. Maybe turn off the air conditioner when using the mic. You might be able to use some frequency editing program to fix it, but I doubt it.
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January 10th, 2020 at 9:55:02 PM permalink
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January 11th, 2020 at 9:41:36 AM permalink
good job Mike
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January 11th, 2020 at 11:08:43 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

There's far too much 'rumble' in the sound. Maybe turn off the air conditioner when using the mic. You might be able to use some frequency editing program to fix it, but I doubt it.



That bothered me too. Do they sell collar mikes for USB ports? The microphone I'm using now is a cheap one that sits on the desk and probably meant for Skyping and things like that.
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January 11th, 2020 at 2:43:20 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

That bothered me too. Do they sell collar mikes for USB ports? The microphone I'm using now is a cheap one that sits on the desk and probably meant for Skyping and things like that.



Yes, I used this one and it worked fine for me.

https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Microphones-FIFINE-Microphone-Transmitter/dp/B074C125TN/ref=asc_df_B074C125TN/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312152993681&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15998204983032081654&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9030783&hvtargid=aud-800703102928:pla-469711075677&psc=1
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January 11th, 2020 at 2:55:34 PM permalink

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Quote: ChumpChange

There's far too much 'rumble' in the sound. Maybe turn off the air conditioner when using the mic. You might be able to use some frequency editing program to fix it, but I doubt it.

[It's not bad and it gets the basic points across. The trouble with using the demo is you're at the mercy of the draw so you can't really build on earlier points by presenting the game in a logical order. Your stuck with a scattershot reaction to the cards at hand.



Get your 'quote' tag right. I was so distracted by the 'rumble' I got too distracted to even comment on the contents of the video. I figure The Wizard makes what he wants to make, and in a bit of 2nd thoughts he is seeking feedback. I spent hours last night learning other games from watching The Slotlady play: like Ultimate Texas Hold 'em, Let It Ride, 3 Card Poker, Craps, and her top slot handpay jackpots.

It looks like The Wizard wants to make a 10 minute video. Maybe he needs a few rough drafts to get his points across, but I felt playing strategy was missing.
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January 11th, 2020 at 4:28:42 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Yes, I used this one and it worked fine for me.



Thank you.
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January 11th, 2020 at 4:35:12 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

Get your 'quote' tag right. I was so distracted by the 'rumble' I got too distracted to even comment on the contents of the video. I figure The Wizard makes what he wants to make, and in a bit of 2nd thoughts he is seeking feedback. I spent hours last night learning other games from watching The Slotlady play: like Ultimate Texas Hold 'em, Let It Ride, 3 Card Poker, Craps, and her top slot handpay jackpots.

It looks like The Wizard wants to make a 10 minute video. Maybe he needs a few rough drafts to get his points across, but I felt playing strategy was missing.



That was rather harsh but I accept and appreciate all comments.

First, if you're saying I misquoted you, tell me exactly how and I'll suspend myself.

Second, my office is fairly quiet. I don't think the issue is a noisy office but a cheap microphone that was about two feet from my face. I suspect it picked up noise from the computer fan.

Third, I like the Slot Lady. I have absolutely nothing negative to say about her. However, I'm of the opinion that shorter videos, no longer than 15 minutes are more effective. I've lost count of how many times people say my videos are too long. The Internet is an impatient place. Note that you don't see really long Ted talks either.

I will probably get a better microphone and do a third version to improve the sound. I also incorrectly described one dealer hand as a king-high when it was actually a pair of threes, but I would have lost anyway.
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January 12th, 2020 at 5:19:50 PM permalink
Wow, my new microphone already arrived. I hope to shoot version 3 early this week.
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January 13th, 2020 at 6:20:47 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Wow, my new microphone already arrived. I hope to shoot version 3 early this week.



I think the quote thing was directed at the other guy, not you. His original quote is jumbled.

But the point he makes is the same as what I said, which I wrote at some length, and decided to delete because it was not received well as far as i could tell. Since you're going to redo it anyway, I will put up a short version. Looking to be helpful, not critical, and some of this will duplicate what you're doing.

If you want to teach the game to people who aren't playing it, or playing it badly, it's a mess to just describe random deals as they come up on the simulator.

Whether you shoot little bits and edit them together, or stop the video until you get what you want, this game is so complicated for the average Joe, you HAVE to script it. Disregard the running total and random order. They aren't important at all.

First, just explain how to start betting a hand. Give the 30 second dealer talk Roger Snow wants for every demo he sees. Use the screen display to point out elements.

Hand 1. Do a 4x hand. Play it out.

Hand 2. Do a 2x hand. Play it out.

Hand 3. Do a 1x hand where the river hits. Play it out.

Hand 4. Do a 1x hand where you only play it because of kickers.

Hand 5. Do a fold hand where the kickers aren't good enough.

Somewhere in those 5 hands, you need one where the blind pays.

Somewhere in those 5 hands, you need one where the dealer doesn't qualify.

If you have to, add a 6th hand for one or both of those.

Among the things that need to be said along the way, as you demo things:

the player shares the board with the dealer,

there are a few times that player will want to "play the board". Don't fold to a very high board.

If it's worth betting 3x, it's ALWAYS worth betting 4x. Ignore the 3x.

Magic kicker number is 21. No pair is 15 base value. Board pair is 11 base value. Then count overcards. Mention straight and flush draws, but not too deep. Emphasize AGAIN that you are sharing 5 cards with the dealer.

...............

People need to understand each decision per hand IN ORDER. They need to see several before the kicker strategy.

This will keep the video under 10 minutes, too. Probably under 6.
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January 13th, 2020 at 8:09:01 AM permalink
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January 13th, 2020 at 9:58:57 PM permalink
Okay, here is version 3 and hopefully the last one. I try to leave strategy until the end (but sometimes I can't help it) and the sound quality I hope is better.

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