unJon
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April 3rd, 2019 at 6:42:52 PM permalink
I just had an idea for an AP play. As I donít AP for a living, I suspect itís either wrong or something that people already do. Itís also not a play I have interest in doing. I make plenty of money at my job (even though it comes with an alarm clock, I feel safe itís more than I could make with this or another AP play). That said, Iím reluctant to pull a Wiz and publicly disclose, on the off chance Iím not wrong about the play and it ruins a current play.

So, instead I started this thread. If you are interested in hearing the idea, PM me. I may not respond. But Iíll tell at least one person that PMs me to get feedback. Judged mostly on my view of reading posts over the last few months of who is legit an AP and would have a view.
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April 3rd, 2019 at 9:17:29 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

So, instead I started this thread. If you are interested in hearing the idea, PM me. I may not respond..



That's just as well, no orig AP
ideas exist anymore.
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darkoz
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April 3rd, 2019 at 10:11:45 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

I just had an idea for an AP play. As I donít AP for a living, I suspect itís either wrong or something that people already do. Itís also not a play I have interest in doing. I make plenty of money at my job (even though it comes with an alarm clock, I feel safe itís more than I could make with this or another AP play). That said, Iím reluctant to pull a Wiz and publicly disclose, on the off chance Iím not wrong about the play and it ruins a current play.

So, instead I started this thread. If you are interested in hearing the idea, PM me. I may not respond. But Iíll tell at least one person that PMs me to get feedback. Judged mostly on my view of reading posts over the last few months of who is legit an AP and would have a view.



It would have been easier to just pm those who are obvious AP candidates like Axel for example.

You can PM me and I may not respond either :)
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April 3rd, 2019 at 10:15:55 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

It would have been easier to just pm those who are obvious AP candidates like Axel for example.

You can PM me and I may not respond either :)



He's not trying to sell discounted bus tickets. ;-)
darkoz
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April 3rd, 2019 at 10:30:26 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

He's not trying to sell discounted bus tickets. ;-)



I am certain its much more lucrative

Like walking thru hundreds of casinos checking for Ultimate X multipliers that probably were not left behind
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April 3rd, 2019 at 10:37:02 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

I just had an idea for an AP play. As I donít AP for a living, I suspect itís either wrong or something that people already do. Itís also not a play I have interest in doing. I make plenty of money at my job (even though it comes with an alarm clock, I feel safe itís more than I could make with this or another AP play). That said, Iím reluctant to pull a Wiz and publicly disclose, on the off chance Iím not wrong about the play and it ruins a current play.

So, instead I started this thread. If you are interested in hearing the idea, PM me. I may not respond. But Iíll tell at least one person that PMs me to get feedback. Judged mostly on my view of reading posts over the last few months of who is legit an AP and would have a view.



If you PM me, thereís very little chance Iíll respond. If you respond to this post by me in your thread, I probably wonít respond to that either.
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April 3rd, 2019 at 10:53:18 PM permalink
I think the OP is learning how finicky and feisty APs really are
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unJon
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April 4th, 2019 at 3:45:27 AM permalink
Thanks all. After PMing with two of you, the conclusions are:

1) It would be illegal.
2) While it is an AP, there are actually much easier and lower variance ways to AP the same type thing. (But still illegal.)

Iíll leave it at that.
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April 4th, 2019 at 5:29:47 AM permalink
Quote: unJon

Thanks all. After PMing with two of you, the conclusions are:

1) It would be illegal.
2) While it is an AP, there are actually much easier and lower variance ways to AP the same type thing. (But still illegal.)

Iíll leave it at that.



WHAT?

1) if its illegal none of the APs on this site (well from what most of us claim and for my part especially) are going to use it.

2) if it is illegal most of us APs would classify that a cheat move not an AP move. APs take pride in that distinction. We PLAY WITH AN ADVANTAGE BUT WE DO NOT CHEAT. (This distinction may be under the law only since casinos have their own interpretation of what constitutes cheating but its only the law any AP cares about. If the law is on our side thats what matters in a court room)

3) I have never seen an AP on this forum upset over the disclosure of illegal cheat moves

So why do you feel the move cant be made public now? None of us will use it if its illegal and if we do you are certainly not according to your OP
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unJon
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April 4th, 2019 at 5:50:35 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

WHAT?

1) if its illegal none of the APs on this site (well from what most of us claim and for my part especially) are going to use it.

2) if it is illegal most of us APs would classify that a cheat move not an AP move. APs take pride in that distinction. We PLAY WITH AN ADVANTAGE BUT WE DO NOT CHEAT. (This distinction may be under the law only since casinos have their own interpretation of what constitutes cheating but its only the law any AP cares about. If the law is on our side thats what matters in a court room)

3) I have never seen an AP on this forum upset over the disclosure of illegal cheat moves

So why do you feel the move cant be made public now? None of us will use it if its illegal and if we do you are certainly not according to your OP

What you do in the casino would be legal. Itís what happens after. And I would be willing to wager that itís the type of illegal that many APs on this site do year in and year out.

Thatís all Iíll say. If the two APs I PMíd with want to say more or disclose my PMs with them, they have my permission.
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April 4th, 2019 at 6:05:06 AM permalink
Quote: unJon

What you do in the casino would be legal. Itís what happens after. And I would be willing to wager that itís the type of illegal that many APs on this site do year in and year out.

Thatís all Iíll say. If the two APs I PMíd with want to say more or disclose my PMs with them, they have my permission.



Something to do with tax reporting requirements?
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April 4th, 2019 at 6:41:24 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

So why do you feel the move cant be made public now? None of us will use it if its illegal ...



Hmmm... When I read unJon's reply, I had a different take.

The OP sez, "there are actually much easier and lower variance ways to AP the same type thing." If there were common elements in the "illegal move" and the (apparently legal) easier, lower-variance move, describing the illegal move might reveal info relevant to the other move.

My first thought was that unJon perhaps decided to reveal nothing rather than to (possibly) compromise an ongoing AP move. If OP's original move is illegal, why do we care anyhow?
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April 4th, 2019 at 6:47:17 AM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

Hmmm... When I read unJon's reply, I had a different take.

The OP sez, "there are actually much easier and lower variance ways to AP the same type thing." If there were common elements in the "illegal move" and the (apparently legal) easier, lower-variance move, describing the illegal move might reveal info relevant to the other move.

My first thought was that unJon perhaps decided to reveal nothing rather than to (possibly) compromise an ongoing AP move. If OP's original move is illegal, why do we care anyhow?



His full response is that the much easier and lower variance ways to AP the same thing "(are still illegal)"

Otherwise I agree the takeaway would have been what you saw. But he added that illegal caveat in parentheses

I suppose in an Oceans 11 manner I am interested in cheat moves even though I have no intent on doing them.

I am also not certain his advice is correct since we dont know who or what he spoke about.
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