1:1 payouts
February 20th, 2019 at 9:18:36 AM
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Hello to everyone reading this lines .. I have a question is anyone managed to break the games on 1:1 payout?
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February 20th, 2019 at 9:24:35 AM
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Counting cards at blackjack is the only way as far as 1:1 games goes.
February 20th, 2019 at 9:27:24 AM
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Only this ? but online playing they can count as well ?
How about the other way I mean the random itself someone did anything ?
How about the other way I mean the random itself someone did anything ?
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February 20th, 2019 at 11:22:32 AM
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It's just a matter of using a pre-random predictor.Quote: Anunnaki1202Only this ? but online playing they can count as well ?
How about the other way I mean the random itself someone did anything ?
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June 24th, 2019 at 6:25:25 PM
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Is anyone here that can make a simulation on 1:1 payouts ? Which I believe will be always with +1 upfront on player side
The system is very simple I'll explain if any coder is available and want to do it. I've done couples of millions of plays and always ending up on + balance not very much on plus but was on positive banking
The system is very simple I'll explain if any coder is available and want to do it. I've done couples of millions of plays and always ending up on + balance not very much on plus but was on positive banking
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June 24th, 2019 at 6:41:58 PM
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I forgot to mention the progression is with +1, +2, +3, ... etc. Progression is resetting only when on + before starting to lose and the whole bankroll is with +1
Ex. Bankroll started with 1000 progression reset at 1001
Now what to bet and what to follow I need a coder who can put all this into a script
Ex. Bankroll started with 1000 progression reset at 1001
Now what to bet and what to follow I need a coder who can put all this into a script
Where there's a will, there is a way
June 28th, 2019 at 9:46:49 AM
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I do apologise for my bad English as is not my first language.
If don't understand what I tried to say please ask me.
I made hundreds of millions of simulations with the +1 progression but is the second key what to bet and what to bet.
All this I will say to someone can put this into a simulation.
A martingale progression will activate at so.e point only then the +1 is played or can be flat bet only and activate martingale at certain point only
Thanks.
And am open to any suggestions.
If don't understand what I tried to say please ask me.
I made hundreds of millions of simulations with the +1 progression but is the second key what to bet and what to bet.
All this I will say to someone can put this into a simulation.
A martingale progression will activate at so.e point only then the +1 is played or can be flat bet only and activate martingale at certain point only
Thanks.
And am open to any suggestions.
Where there's a will, there is a way
June 28th, 2019 at 12:09:09 PM
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Varying the size of your bets according to some algorithm or schedule will not change the fact that the house has an edge.
In a 1:1 BJ simulation of "hundreds of millions" trials, we expect with very high confidence that you will calculate a significant loss for player - unless you are making unrealistic assumptions about maximum bet size with a Martingale-type system.
Most of us on this forum are weary of explaining to newcomers that systems based on "bet size variation" cannot enable you to beat a casino in the long run. This is a very basic fact about gambling.
I suggest that you do more research on the internet on analysis/limitations of betting systems that use progressions of bet sizes. Perhaps a moderator can supply you with a link to an article on the WOO site.
In a 1:1 BJ simulation of "hundreds of millions" trials, we expect with very high confidence that you will calculate a significant loss for player - unless you are making unrealistic assumptions about maximum bet size with a Martingale-type system.
Most of us on this forum are weary of explaining to newcomers that systems based on "bet size variation" cannot enable you to beat a casino in the long run. This is a very basic fact about gambling.
I suggest that you do more research on the internet on analysis/limitations of betting systems that use progressions of bet sizes. Perhaps a moderator can supply you with a link to an article on the WOO site.
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June 28th, 2019 at 2:21:02 PM
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You are saying 1 to 1 payout but is it on a 50/50 game? A lot of games pay 1 to 1 but the odds of winning the 1 to 1 are only 95%.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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June 28th, 2019 at 3:02:20 PM
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Ok fellas I explain the system is nothing to hide because I don't have the tools to test it.
As we know the baccarat game always something is upfront player of banker.
Before we enter to play the game we waiting for one side to be upfront something like 3 games because in 3 games one side is upfront. Ok that's good banker is with 2 player 1 or whatever has 2 games out or even 3 same out.
All this I call into a balance one side will grow then will drop back on perfect balance and switching the other side.
Now the catch is to use flat bet and we apply antimartingale when is dropping back on the perfect balance and trying to switch the side
But this antimartingale needs to reset when on profit cannot be left to keep go up till will lose.
Please let me know what you think about it.
As we know the baccarat game always something is upfront player of banker.
Before we enter to play the game we waiting for one side to be upfront something like 3 games because in 3 games one side is upfront. Ok that's good banker is with 2 player 1 or whatever has 2 games out or even 3 same out.
All this I call into a balance one side will grow then will drop back on perfect balance and switching the other side.
Now the catch is to use flat bet and we apply antimartingale when is dropping back on the perfect balance and trying to switch the side
But this antimartingale needs to reset when on profit cannot be left to keep go up till will lose.
Please let me know what you think about it.
Where there's a will, there is a way
June 28th, 2019 at 3:50:03 PM
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Quote: Anunnaki1202Ok fellas I explain the system is nothing to hide because I don't have the tools to test it.
As we know the baccarat game always something is upfront player of banker.
Before we enter to play the game we waiting for one side to be upfront something like 3 games because in 3 games one side is upfront. Ok that's good banker is with 2 player 1 or whatever has 2 games out or even 3 same out.
All this I call into a balance one side will grow then will drop back on perfect balance and switching the other side.
Now the catch is to use flat bet and we apply antimartingale when is dropping back on the perfect balance and trying to switch the side
But this antimartingale needs to reset when on profit cannot be left to keep go up till will lose.
Please let me know what you think about it.
This is usually referred to as the "Gamblers' Fallacy." There are any number of problems with this.
First, even if you could depend on balance, you don't know what happened before you arrived. Even if the game is +3 banker since you got there, what if it was +10 player before you did? Now it's "really" +7 player, not +3 banker.
Second, I have run simulations on 50/50 games to see how long they take to balance out, and in some cases, it takes literally trillions of plays before it finally gets there.
Third, there are no true 50/50 games (unless you can find someone dealing Faro), so there's no guarantee of balance. Baccarat is not 50/50 because the probability of the player winning (if you ignore ties) is less than 50%, and while the bank wins more than 50% of the time, the 5% commission more than makes up for it.
June 28th, 2019 at 4:58:25 PM
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I know exactly what you said.
But no matter was was before.. I believe we start our system on this occasion. Past and future are same all are repeated and repeats are getting longer and delays goes same way.
Past and future is repeated on infinity level.
The only thing will make us lose is when switching the balance on the other side. But this when accour we apply antimartingale till we are on + then reset progression back on flat bet and follow the upfront winner
And if banker is paid less than 1:1 we increase bet on player for what we lost on banker
Should work this ... am very positive about it 😎
But no matter was was before.. I believe we start our system on this occasion. Past and future are same all are repeated and repeats are getting longer and delays goes same way.
Past and future is repeated on infinity level.
The only thing will make us lose is when switching the balance on the other side. But this when accour we apply antimartingale till we are on + then reset progression back on flat bet and follow the upfront winner
And if banker is paid less than 1:1 we increase bet on player for what we lost on banker
Should work this ... am very positive about it 😎
Where there's a will, there is a way
June 28th, 2019 at 5:08:05 PM
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Quote: Anunnaki1202I know exactly what you said.
But no matter was was before.. I believe we start our system on this occasion. Past and future are same all are repeated and repeats are getting longer and delays goes same way.
Obviously "past and future are same all repeated" is not true - otherwise the game would go player win, banker win, player win, banker win,...
Quote: Anunnaki1202Past and future is repeated on infinity level.
But you don't have either "infinity money" or "infinity time" - you can't make up losses with money you don't have because you lost it all.
Quote: Anunnaki1202And if banker is paid less than 1:1 we increase bet on player for what we lost on banker
And when player keeps losing because player loses more than half the time, what do you do then?
Quote: Anunnaki1202Should work this ... am very positive about it 😎
Has a very good chance of not working, and wiping you out when it happens - am more positive about it.
June 28th, 2019 at 5:20:55 PM
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What am trying to say is past and future is same but is scrambled.. we don't know the location when will arrive.
We don't need infinity money because when we enter into game is flat bets most of the losing will happen on antimartingale trying to lift up the bankroll back on when start losing on perfect balance switching.
All we need is like to have to play 1000 flat bet hands to start with.
We don't need infinity money because when we enter into game is flat bets most of the losing will happen on antimartingale trying to lift up the bankroll back on when start losing on perfect balance switching.
All we need is like to have to play 1000 flat bet hands to start with.
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June 28th, 2019 at 7:46:31 PM
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Quote: Anunnaki1202What am trying to say is past and future is same but is scrambled.. we don't know the location when will arrive.
We don't need infinity money because when we enter into game is flat bets most of the losing will happen on antimartingale trying to lift up the bankroll back on when start losing on perfect balance switching.
All we need is like to have to play 1000 flat bet hands to start with.
The cards have no memory that will help you. There is no balance they owe you. Baccarat is like flipping a coin.
Let me ask you: if it gave you an edge to know what happened in the past, or what patterns appear, would the casino help you with that? Would they put it on the board, or give you printed cards and pencils to track it yourself, like they do?
No, they wouldn't.
If you try to do the same thing in blackjack, tracking the progress of the shoe, they will get rid of you. They consider it cheating them somehow, because in blackjack, it does matter what cards are used up.
But baccarat or roulette? They know it doesn't matter, and you will fool yourself into seeing meaningless patterns, and spend more money, so they help you do that.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
June 28th, 2019 at 10:14:21 PM
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The balance I call is for example we have seen the game rolling of 5000 turns and we got something like 2300 player and 2700 banker now is a distance between them of 200 which banker is upfront.
But over time if playing more could player to take the lead of the balance.
This is what I call balance is the overall plays altogether which give us the statistics of plays between them two.
But over time if playing more could player to take the lead of the balance.
This is what I call balance is the overall plays altogether which give us the statistics of plays between them two.
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June 29th, 2019 at 6:55:45 AM
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There is no per se "system" that works at Baccarat, but I have won at this game consistently. I've posted before about why, and few here seem to buy it, but then - I'm not selling anything anyway.
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June 29th, 2019 at 7:17:20 AM
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The idea that everything "balances out in the long term" needs a word of caution. Mathematically It is correct that the percentage of each outcome gets closer to the expected value as the number of trials (hands, spins, rolls) increases. However the absolute numbers (standard deviation) increases. For instance if you toss a coin twice, it is 50% that you are H=1, T=1 after two tosses. As the numbers grow it becomes increasingly unlikely to be exactly equal. It is one of the well-known gambler's falacy that "things even out".
In baccarat, even if you thought there was interdependence during a shoe, each new shoe comes from a freshly shuffled set of decks thus must be truly independent (assuming good shuffling) of any other shoe. Therefore you are looking at a series of shoes each with their own result. Therefore previous shoes' results can have no influence on this or other shoes.
Where the house has an advantage on any game, where each outcome is independent of previous ones and there's no floored processes or bias, then no system can (in the long run) overcome that House Edge. If you had a billion playing then some would come out ahead and, from their viewpoint, could validly claim "their system" works. This is how some tricks, like Derren Brown's horse racing predicitions, work - he only shows the time he gave six consecutive winners (or whatever) and doesn't show any of the others (yes he needed 7776 people!).
Most people here believe in the mathematics behind House Edge and, while there are some times when people can win (c.f. edge sorting), for most scenarios "no system works".
In baccarat, even if you thought there was interdependence during a shoe, each new shoe comes from a freshly shuffled set of decks thus must be truly independent (assuming good shuffling) of any other shoe. Therefore you are looking at a series of shoes each with their own result. Therefore previous shoes' results can have no influence on this or other shoes.
Where the house has an advantage on any game, where each outcome is independent of previous ones and there's no floored processes or bias, then no system can (in the long run) overcome that House Edge. If you had a billion playing then some would come out ahead and, from their viewpoint, could validly claim "their system" works. This is how some tricks, like Derren Brown's horse racing predicitions, work - he only shows the time he gave six consecutive winners (or whatever) and doesn't show any of the others (yes he needed 7776 people!).
Most people here believe in the mathematics behind House Edge and, while there are some times when people can win (c.f. edge sorting), for most scenarios "no system works".
June 29th, 2019 at 7:37:01 AM
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In baccarat if put all shoes together will get a continuous set of plays which are not independent.
The plays will balancing out very quickly believe it or not I saw it many times and can go up to be out balanced like 900 then drop back on perfect balance and passing on other side.
We have to not give importance to a shoes and another unless the casino has tempered with the cards then is nothing we can do.
The plays will balancing out very quickly believe it or not I saw it many times and can go up to be out balanced like 900 then drop back on perfect balance and passing on other side.
We have to not give importance to a shoes and another unless the casino has tempered with the cards then is nothing we can do.
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June 29th, 2019 at 8:05:23 AM
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you are expressing 'confirmation bias' with NO proof of any of your statements.Quote: Anunnaki1202In baccarat if put all shoes together will get a continuous set of plays which are not independent.
The plays will balancing out very quickly believe it or not I saw it many times and can go up to be out balanced like 900 then drop back on perfect balance and passing on other side.
the rules of the game of Baccarat favor the BANKER winning.
the more hands played the LESS chance the PLAYER has of equalling (or exceeding) the BANKER number of wins.
the more hands played the GREATER the chance the BANKER has of exceeding forever the PLAYER number of wins.
Many Chinese Baccarat syndicates have already proven this to be true.
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June 29th, 2019 at 8:06:55 AM
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Quote: Anunnaki1202In baccarat if put all shoes together will get a continuous set of plays which are not independent.
The plays will balancing out very quickly believe it or not I saw it many times and can go up to be out balanced like 900 then drop back on perfect balance and passing on other side.
We have to not give importance to a shoes and another unless the casino has tempered with the cards then is nothing we can do.
So either your system works, or the casino has "tempered" with the cards? Ummm...no.
I hope you find your gambler's fallacy entertaining. Good luck with that.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
June 29th, 2019 at 8:18:04 AM
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Please don't t be confused as making bets on the negative balance
The system always stays on +
As I said in other post we always play on the positive balance and we apply antimartingale when is trying to switch sides and reset when on +
The system always stays on +
As I said in other post we always play on the positive balance and we apply antimartingale when is trying to switch sides and reset when on +
Where there's a will, there is a way
June 29th, 2019 at 8:42:44 AM
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Quote: Anunnaki1202Please don't t be confused as making bets on the negative balance
The system always stays on +
As I said in other post we always play on the positive balance and we apply antimartingale when is trying to switch sides and reset when on +
Hi Anunnaki1202,
Welcome to the forum.
I'd like to explain to you how wrong you are and how your system will not work, does not work, and cannot work.
I'd like to explain,,,,,,,,,But I really cannot be bothered.
The language difficulties are one impediment. The fact that you will absolutely refuse to listen to reason is the other.
If you believe your system will be profitable, mortgage your house, max out your credit cards, borrow as much money as you can, and then go to lots of casinos, and take all of their money. Don't waste your time explaining your system here. Time is money.
Oh, and your system is not failing because the casinos are cheating you. It's just that their cards and roulette wheels DO obey the laws of mathematics.
Go have fun.....
..... Or maybe just hear this. YOUR SYSTEM IS WORTHLESS.
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June 29th, 2019 at 9:06:05 AM
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Quote: Anunnaki1202Please don't t be confused as making bets on the negative balance
The system always stays on +
As I said in other post we always play on the positive balance and we apply antimartingale when is trying to switch sides and reset when on +
Could you explain your system a little better? The more specific you are, the better.
First of all, what do you mean by "antimartingale"?
Do you mean, for example, that if there have been more player wins than banker wins, then you bet on the player?
Wouldn't this be the opposite of your claim that, eventually, the player and banker wins will balance?
Here's an example:
Suppose that when you start betting, the last 20 non-tie hands were 12 player wins and 8 banker wins.
What is your first bet?
If player wins, what is your second bet? What if banker wins the first bet?
I found a post I made three years ago when I ran a 50-50 simulation to see how long it can take for the numbers to "balance"; there were at least two instances where it took over 10,000,000,000 hands.
June 29th, 2019 at 9:33:04 AM
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Is opposite of martingale increase bet when win.
On your example play on player because he leads the balance bet flat
When gets on perfect balance 12 player and 12 banker no bet
Wait till something will lead the balance to make antimartingale bets very important to stop the antimartingale when bankroll is on + as before started losing on that particular perfect balance
On your example play on player because he leads the balance bet flat
When gets on perfect balance 12 player and 12 banker no bet
Wait till something will lead the balance to make antimartingale bets very important to stop the antimartingale when bankroll is on + as before started losing on that particular perfect balance
Where there's a will, there is a way
June 29th, 2019 at 9:34:27 AM
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I was assuming the casino was not using a CSM but used distinct shoes. For simplicitly, at the end of each shoe the casino uses a freshly shuffled 8-deck shoe. Thus while you could consider the results as a group of shoes all put together, in practice there is no connection between any shoe and the one following.Quote: Anunnaki1202In baccarat if put all shoes together will get a continuous set of plays which are not independent.
Unless you believe this has something associated with quantum tunnelling, I cannot understand how information from the first shoe can be passed to the second shoe. Please could you explain why you then consider them "not independent".
June 29th, 2019 at 9:41:21 AM
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Am saying is no matter how you use the shoes if connect all shoes together will get a very long streak of plays.
Or let's go even more deep can use the colours from roulette as red banker and black player and zero the tie ... you will end up with same results as playing baccarat is no difference whatsoever between them 2 games
Or let's go even more deep can use the colours from roulette as red banker and black player and zero the tie ... you will end up with same results as playing baccarat is no difference whatsoever between them 2 games
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June 29th, 2019 at 9:56:03 AM
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Quote: Anunnaki1202Is opposite of martingale increase bet when win.
On your example play on player because he leads the balance bet flat
When gets on perfect balance 12 player and 12 banker no bet
Wait till something will lead the balance to make antimartingale bets very important to stop the antimartingale when bankroll is on + as before started losing on that particular perfect balance
I have no idea what "stop the antimartingale" means.
Again, give me an example.
Start with balance.
The next hand has banker win.
How much do you bet, and on what side?
If the next bet is a banker win (so banker is now +2), what do you bet now?
What if that hand is a player win (so banker is +1)?
What about if it is banker win (so banker is +3)?
When do you increase your bets (and by how much), and when do you decrease your bets?
June 29th, 2019 at 10:17:29 AM
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Ok.
Before entering the system need to wait 3 hand to pass.
From them there hands you will see which one has more wins.
Combination can be only 2x1 or 3 banker or player will lead the balance.
We always bet on the more outs of that particular play
If we have +28 player and banker coming out then will be +27.
Banker will need to get out another 27 times to be on the perfect balance.
Perfect balance means 0/0 either sides
Now when is back on perfect balance need one turn to not bet , because need to wait the next one out to see who will lead the balance
Antimartingale means win 1 then place bet 2 win again place bet 4 win again place bet 8 win again place bet 16 and so on ...
But this should be only applied on after the perfect balance.
And if after 4 or 5 wins and your balance is back on +1 as before started to lose after the perfect balance then stop and play flat bet as the main bet
Carry on betting on which leads the balance.
Before entering the system need to wait 3 hand to pass.
From them there hands you will see which one has more wins.
Combination can be only 2x1 or 3 banker or player will lead the balance.
We always bet on the more outs of that particular play
If we have +28 player and banker coming out then will be +27.
Banker will need to get out another 27 times to be on the perfect balance.
Perfect balance means 0/0 either sides
Now when is back on perfect balance need one turn to not bet , because need to wait the next one out to see who will lead the balance
Antimartingale means win 1 then place bet 2 win again place bet 4 win again place bet 8 win again place bet 16 and so on ...
But this should be only applied on after the perfect balance.
And if after 4 or 5 wins and your balance is back on +1 as before started to lose after the perfect balance then stop and play flat bet as the main bet
Carry on betting on which leads the balance.
Where there's a will, there is a way
June 29th, 2019 at 10:27:20 AM
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Okay...so let's say that the first three hands (the ones before you start betting) are 2 banker and 1 player.
Banker is now +1.
I need you to answer these questions being asked, and not just make some explanation.
What is your first bet? Is it 1 on banker, or 1 on player?
What if banker wins the first bet (so banker is now +2)? What is your next bet?
Suppose instead of the initial three hands being +1 banker, the player won all three hands, so it is +3 player.
What is your first bet now?
What if player wins (so it is now player +4)?
What if, instead, banker wins the first bet (so it is now player +2)?
Banker is now +1.
I need you to answer these questions being asked, and not just make some explanation.
What is your first bet? Is it 1 on banker, or 1 on player?
What if banker wins the first bet (so banker is now +2)? What is your next bet?
Suppose instead of the initial three hands being +1 banker, the player won all three hands, so it is +3 player.
What is your first bet now?
What if player wins (so it is now player +4)?
What if, instead, banker wins the first bet (so it is now player +2)?
June 29th, 2019 at 10:35:24 AM
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2 banker and player 1 = banker 2 we bet banker
If player comes out then is perfect balance 2×2 = no bet wait for another play to see what to bet with antimartingale because is first bet after Perfect balance
My explanation is a bit weak am sorry keep asking me till you understand it 😎
If player comes out then is perfect balance 2×2 = no bet wait for another play to see what to bet with antimartingale because is first bet after Perfect balance
My explanation is a bit weak am sorry keep asking me till you understand it 😎
Where there's a will, there is a way
June 29th, 2019 at 10:41:47 AM
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Or could be 17 player and 12 banker we play player with flat bet because player lead
And if next game is 17 player and 13 banker we still flat bet on player
We bet player till we see 17 player and 17 banker then no bet one round to see who will lead the balance
But after first wait on 17x17 to became 18x17 or 17x18 to place the antimartingale
And if next game is 17 player and 13 banker we still flat bet on player
We bet player till we see 17 player and 17 banker then no bet one round to see who will lead the balance
But after first wait on 17x17 to became 18x17 or 17x18 to place the antimartingale
Where there's a will, there is a way
June 29th, 2019 at 10:47:53 AM
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Assume the first three hands are 2 banker and 1 player - what I am calling "banker +1" but you seem to be calling it "banker 2" for some reason.
Start with a bet of 1 on banker.
If banker wins, what is your next bet - are you flat betting (so you bet 1 on banker again), or are you "antimartingaling" (so you bet 2 on banker, then you would bet 4 if your bet of 2 wins, and so on until you lose)?
Start with a bet of 1 on banker.
If banker wins, what is your next bet - are you flat betting (so you bet 1 on banker again), or are you "antimartingaling" (so you bet 2 on banker, then you would bet 4 if your bet of 2 wins, and so on until you lose)?
June 29th, 2019 at 10:52:56 AM
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Quote: Anunnaki1202Or could be 17 player and 12 banker we play player with flat bet because player lead
And if next game is 17 player and 13 banker we still flat bet on player
We bet player till we see 17 player and 17 banker then no bet one round to see who will lead the balance
But after first wait on 17x17 to became 18x17 or 17x18 to place the antimartingale
This makes no sense, and here's why; if banker is ahead, then player has to win more than banker in order to reach balance, but if you always bet on banker, you will lose more times than you win.
When banker is ahead, should you be betting on player instead?
For example, if it is 17 player and 13 banker, then banker has to win 4 more times than player to get to balance. If you always bet on player, you will lose 4 bets more than you win when it gets to balance. However, if you bet on banker, you will win 4 bets more than you lose when it gets to balance.
June 29th, 2019 at 10:58:53 AM
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2 banker and 1 player = 2 wins out of 3 which banker is the leader but still has 2 upfront than player with 1 win only
If banker wins will be 3 banker and player 1 = 3x1 banker still on the lead all this bets go flat bets
Only when the perfect balance will occur like 15x15 or 66x66 or 5x5 or 155x155
All this are equally out and are the perfect balance
When perfect balance occurs need to not bet to wait to one side to get the lead then is became 16x15 or 15x16 something will of balance and will be upfront
If banker wins will be 3 banker and player 1 = 3x1 banker still on the lead all this bets go flat bets
Only when the perfect balance will occur like 15x15 or 66x66 or 5x5 or 155x155
All this are equally out and are the perfect balance
When perfect balance occurs need to not bet to wait to one side to get the lead then is became 16x15 or 15x16 something will of balance and will be upfront
Where there's a will, there is a way
June 29th, 2019 at 11:01:22 AM
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No .. we bet on the more outs than less outs
Because always will be the off balance than perfect balance
Because always will be the off balance than perfect balance
Where there's a will, there is a way
June 29th, 2019 at 11:38:59 AM
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Quote: Anunnaki1202No .. we bet on the more outs than less outs
Because always will be the off balance than perfect balance
So, if banker is ahead, do you keep betting banker? Because I have just shown you that, if it gets back to balance, you will lose money.
And let's assume that it does get to balance, and you skip a bet, which player wins, so now it is +1 Player.
What do you bet now?
Do you bet 1 on player, then if it wins, you bet 2 on player, then if that wins, you bet 4 on player, and so on? Is that what you mean by "antimartingale"?
What do you do when banker wins - what is your next bet?
June 29th, 2019 at 11:54:11 AM
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You will not lose your money it will drop from where you start
The win is happening on antimartingale
Yes you bet like you said but if your bankroll is on + you have to stop the antimartingale and carry on with flat on the leading side
The win is happening on antimartingale
Yes you bet like you said but if your bankroll is on + you have to stop the antimartingale and carry on with flat on the leading side
Where there's a will, there is a way
June 29th, 2019 at 12:07:59 PM
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Quote: Anunnaki1202You will not lose your money it will drop from where you start
You have less money than when you started - that's what "losing money" means.
Maybe if I said, "Your bankroll is on -", you will understand it better?
Let me see if I have it clear now. There seem to be two parts to the system.
First, watch three hands without betting, to see where the balance is.
Then, flat bet the side that is plus until you get back to balance. (I have already told you that this guarantees that your bankroll will be - when you reach balance.)
Second, watch one hand without betting, so it is out of balance again.
Now, bet 1 on the leading side; when you win, if your bankroll is - or 0, double the bet ("antimartingale"), but if it is +, go back to flat betting.
There are two problems with this system.
The first, I have already explained to you - your bankroll will go into minus when you reach balance the first time, as the side you are betting against has to win more hands than the side you are winning on in order to get to balance.
Second, if it really is an "antimartingale", most of the time, your losing bet will be more than the total of your winning bets since the last losing bet.
June 29th, 2019 at 12:20:06 PM
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You will not use antimartingale all time as the game will be most of the time off balanced
You can stop playing at anytime when on + and consider it as a session.
You can stop playing at anytime when on + and consider it as a session.
Where there's a will, there is a way
June 29th, 2019 at 12:43:44 PM
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sir: the very experienced posters here know that your system cannot win in the long run
if you choose to think they are wrong - that's fine
but you are not going to convince anyone here
if you could prove that your system was a winner - that would be one of the biggest news stories of the decade
if you choose to think they are wrong - that's fine
but you are not going to convince anyone here
if you could prove that your system was a winner - that would be one of the biggest news stories of the decade
Please don't feed the trolls
June 29th, 2019 at 4:17:11 PM
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Quote: Anunnaki1202You will not use antimartingale all time as the game will be most of the time off balanced
You can stop playing at anytime when on + and consider it as a session.
If I had to program a bot to detect stupid gambling systems the first lines of code would be
if system.contains_word("session")
then system = garbage
June 29th, 2019 at 4:29:26 PM
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Quote: Anunnaki1202Ok fellas I explain the system is nothing to hide because I don't have the tools to test it.
As we know the baccarat game always something is upfront player of banker.
Before we enter to play the game we waiting for one side to be upfront something like 3 games because in 3 games one side is upfront. Ok that's good banker is with 2 player 1 or whatever has 2 games out or even 3 same out.
All this I call into a balance one side will grow then will drop back on perfect balance and switching the other side.
Now the catch is to use flat bet and we apply antimartingale when is dropping back on the perfect balance and trying to switch the side
But this antimartingale needs to reset when on profit cannot be left to keep go up till will lose.
Please let me know what you think about it.
I think you should be glad you don't have the tools to test it.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
June 29th, 2019 at 5:42:43 PM
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Ok.
Thanks for your opinion! Did you test it ? Show me the results
And I believe you!
Thanks for your opinion! Did you test it ? Show me the results
And I believe you!
Where there's a will, there is a way
June 29th, 2019 at 5:52:07 PM
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the ONLY way that you will believe anyone's simulations or calculated resultsQuote: Anunnaki1202Ok.
Thanks for your opinion! Did you test it ? Show me the results
is for you and you only
to do the testing (learn to do it if you say you can't - can't means 'I do not want to")
as only that way will you believe will be with your own eyes what you just did.
others have spent $$millions on exactly this and not 1 has bankrupted any casino EVER from their contrived betting system.
why do you think that is so?
your ideas are also NOTHING NEW...
been there, been done before.
next great idea coming up!
bad. luck to you
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
June 29th, 2019 at 5:54:38 PM
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Ok.
Is all delays and repeats that's all there is.
Is all delays and repeats that's all there is.
Where there's a will, there is a way
June 29th, 2019 at 9:31:53 PM
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Go use your system. Go get rich, then come back, buy the forum and ban all those members who refused to have faith in you.Quote: Anunnaki1202Ok.
Is all delays and repeats that's all there is.
No. We won't test your system. Our time is precious too.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
June 29th, 2019 at 10:45:33 PM
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Quote: Anunnaki1202Ok.
Is all delays and repeats that's all there is.
I tested it tonight. I won a huge amount of money. It works !!
You should’ve seen the crowd gathered around me, they were in awe as I doubled my bet after each loss.
June 30th, 2019 at 6:53:58 AM
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Well ... my friends please don't bother to reply anymore.
Now you all know the "Off balanced" system
Progression can use whatever you want with it ... when falls into the perfect balance.
But flat bets need to be used as the regular bets
Now you all know the "Off balanced" system
Progression can use whatever you want with it ... when falls into the perfect balance.
But flat bets need to be used as the regular bets
Where there's a will, there is a way
June 30th, 2019 at 9:17:00 AM
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Quote: Anunnaki1202Now you all know the "Off balanced" system
That's the problem - I don't think anybody here knows exactly how it works.
Here's how I think it works - but instead of player and banker in baccarat, I am going to use red and black in roulette, since it should work the same way.
1. Watch three (non-green) spins without betting, and count the number of reds and the number of blacks. There are four possible results:
(a) Three reds - I will call this +3 red, since red has won three more times than black
(b) Two reds and a black - this is +1 red
(c) Two blacks and a red - this is +1 black
(d) Three blacks - this is +3 black
2. Bet 1 on the plus side, and keep betting 1 on the plus side until either you are ahead for the session (which will happen if you win your first bet), in which case you start over with step 1, or the game achieves balance.
Note that if you started betting at +3, you will be ahead if it ever gets to +4 before it gets to balance.
3. If it gets to balance and you are still behind, skip one bet so it is now wither +1 red or +1 black, then start Martingaling (bet 1 on the plus side, then keep doubling your bets) until you are ahead.
There is one thing I am not sure of: if you start doubling your bets and it gets back to balance, what do you do - do you skip a bet and then double your previous bet, or do you go back to betting 1?
Here's an example:
The first three spins are all red, so the count is +3 Red
You bet 1 on red, and lose; you are -1 for your session, and the count is +2 Red
You bet 1 on red, and lose again; you are -2 for your session, and the count is +1 Red
You bet 1 on red, and win; you are -1 for your session, and the count is +2 Red
You bet 1 on red, and lose; you are -2 for your session, and the count is +1 Red
You bet 1 on red, and lose; you are -3 for your session, and the count is Balance
You skip the next spin, which is black; the count is +1 Black
You bet on 1 on black, and win; you are -2 for your session, and the count is Balance
You skip the next spin, which is red; the count is +1 Red
What is your next bet - 2, since you are Martingaling (or, as you say, "antimartingaling"), or 1, since it reached balance?
