I don't know the exact odds of that happening but I would assume that is many standard deviations from normal.

The Panda 8 occurs on average more the the Dragon 7Quote:DRichI don't know the exact odds of that happening but I would assume that is many standard deviations from normal.

Here is what I have to offer

Panda 8

sample: 5 Million 8 deck shoes

mean value: 2.76

range: 12.00

sample std dev (n): 1.64

Dragon 7

sample: 10 Million 8 deck shoes

mean value: 1.83

range: 13.00

sample std dev (n):1.33

my Mom tells stories of seeing 10 each just half way thru

a shoe

she could be right as seen by the range value (the max number of times)

Sally

Is there a correlation between Dragon and Panda? My assumption is they would be negatively correlated but I have no real basis for that. It just seems that seeing 5 of each in 62 hands is very improbable.

I am sure you can find out.Quote:DRichThis shoe only had 62 hands so I am assuming it was six decks instead of 8 dealt from an I-Shoe.

some 8 deck shoes at EZ Bacc cut 1 to 2 decks off.

keeps the counting Panda/Dragon way down

I have not played an I-Shoe, so I do not know.

what casino was this at?

this is easy simulated once we know how many decks are used, the burn cards and the penetration.Quote:DRichIs there a correlation between Dragon and Panda? My assumption is they would be negatively correlated but I have no real basis for that.

It just seems that seeing 5 of each in 62 hands is very improbable.

what is your guess? (in shoes)

1 in 1 million, 100 million, 100 billion?

Sally

It just piqued my interest because it happened to be the first shoe of the day which I would assume would be the easiest to tamper with if there was something nefarious going on.

1 in a million does sound quite high.Quote:DRichI don't think it would be as high as 1 in 1 million but the games uses a six deck shoe with about 15 cards cut off.

Sally asked me to look at her vba code in Excel (she went on vacation)

as it was not working correctly for the Dragon 7 and Panda 8 bets.

It was a very simple fix (now working perfectly) and I am expanding the code for her so more data all at once can be seen for a few seconds more of simulation time for EZ Baccarat. There seems to be a lack of data for EZ Baccarat.

The Panda 8 bet was a great addition as it lowered the probability of Player winning that was greater than the Banker winning. I think it gave a feel of regular Baccarat back to this variation.

Here are the results (all 10 million shoe simulations)

for 6 decks and 15 cards cutoff

exactly 5 and 5, the simulations shows about 1 in 4,062 shoes

for 'at least 5' and 'at least 5', it lowers to about 1 in 2,326 shoes

This is about the same as seeing a banker win streak of 12 or longer at 8 deck EZ Baccarat

just to compare with a normal EZ Baccarat shoe

for 8 decks and 15 cards cutoff (numbers should be lower)

exactly 5 and 5, the simulations shows about 1 in 504 shoes

for 'at least 5' and 'at least 5', it lowers to about 1 in 232 shoes

Anything is possible. Are you sure this is 6 decks?Quote:DRichIt just piqued my interest because it happened to be the first shoe of the day which I would assume would be the easiest to tamper with if there was something nefarious going on.

I have yet to see any EZ Baccarat tables using 6 decks, not that they can't use 6 decks and I was not actually looking for that variation of the game.

I do know that the I-Shoe can handle 8 decks.

Interesting they would choose to use only 6 decks.

this might be half of what you were after

Did you watch the shoe being played out? If so, were there players making those bets every round?

I think that could be a tip-off to something not so random happening

I did not see all of the hands play out so I really don't know if people were betting Panda and Dragon the whole way.

I guess if the odds are under 4000 to one there is no real reason to assume foul play.

I tend to agree with you on that one.Quote:DRichI guess if the odds are under 4000 to one there is no real reason to assume foul play.

Here is an interesting bit about EZ Baccarat.

I rarely hear about this event.

What is the chance that BOTH the Dragon 7 and Panda 8 occur during the same round?

meaning Banker gets a Dragon 7 and Player gets a Panda 8

of course Player wins 8 to 7

and BOTH side bets win

I get about 1 in 481 rounds of play (does not matter if 6 or 8 deck) by simulation

(only 1 million shoes sampled)

for 8 decks that is close to once every 6 shoes.

and by calculation

10,411,449,139,200 / 4,998,398,275,503,360

about 0.002082957 close to 1 in 480

I am going to have to ask around on this one if this really happens that often.

I have yet to play EZ Baccarat, any variation even when I lived 7 miles from a casino that had 15 EZ tables.

They are all over in SoCal

I am new here but not new for baccarat :)

I have been playing for 10 years and i also won online bac tournament which was survival mode ( not based on pure luck ). In 2 weeks, whoever had the highest real money winning won the tournament and i was rank 1.

I will give you my system here :

1. I use positive progression. Up 1 u when I win ( for the double bets i use special trigger )

2. Target +4. SL -5

So cut the crap, let's begin.

Basically, i reconstruct to what happen on the shoes i play.

For example BBBBBBBPBBPB, if you notice, cokroach layout appears for the first time. It is blue dot.

So i reconstruct it.

Download baccarat scoreboard by gamespring. It is free.

So i start to enter the cokroach result which is P then so on.

When Bigeye appears and forms second liner, just follow the cokroach ( the reconstruct one ). If it jumps, you have to bet jump. If it goes down, then bet down.

Try it. That is the system i use everyday n with it i also beat all online players ( iam talking about the tournament )

If you have questions, you can email me :

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c ya

Quote:junvesHi,

I am new here but not new for baccarat :)

I have been playing for 10 years and i also won online bac tournament which was survival mode ( not based on pure luck ). In 2 weeks, whoever had the highest real money winning won the tournament and i was rank 1.

I will give you my system here :

1. I use positive progression. Up 1 u when I win ( for the double bets i use special trigger )

2. Target +4. SL -5

So cut the crap, let's begin.

Basically, i reconstruct to what happen on the shoes i play.

For example BBBBBBBPBBPB, if you notice, cokroach layout appears for the first time. It is blue dot.

So i reconstruct it.

Download baccarat scoreboard by gamespring. It is free.

So i start to enter the cokroach result which is P then so on.

When Bigeye appears and forms second liner, just follow the cokroach ( the reconstruct one ). If it jumps, you have to bet jump. If it goes down, then bet down.

Try it. That is the system i use everyday n with it i also beat all online players ( iam talking about the tournament )

If you have questions, you can email me :

c ya

Your system doesn't work and nobody is going to email you for more info. You got lucky in your tournament.

ZCore13