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October 22nd, 2017 at 4:51:36 PM permalink
On trial at NYNY by Galaxy...does this not sound almost identical to Mississippi Stud? Sounds like another High Card Flush lawsuit waiting to happen:

https://www.galaxygaming.com/galaxy-games/1019/cajun-stud
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October 22nd, 2017 at 5:04:30 PM permalink
The pay table shown on it is slightly different, not that it matters. Will be interesting to see if there is a fight over it.
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October 22nd, 2017 at 8:06:52 PM permalink
Some places the pay table is exactly the same,as Mississippi stud.
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October 22nd, 2017 at 8:36:18 PM permalink
So what would the house edge be now that 2 pair only pays 1.5 to 1 instead of 2 to 1?
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October 22nd, 2017 at 9:06:02 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

So what would the house edge be now that 2 pair only pays 1.5 to 1 instead of 2 to 1?


I notice that the FH pays 11:1 and flush 7:1 also instead of 10 & 6 respectively on MS.
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October 22nd, 2017 at 9:12:22 PM permalink
Quote: lightningbolts

On trial at NYNY by Galaxy...does this not sound almost identical to Mississippi Stud? Sounds like another High Card Flush lawsuit waiting to happen:

https://www.galaxygaming.com/galaxy-games/1019/cajun-stud



IMO, it's a ripoff of MSstud and as such does not deserve your play. I think inventors' IP should be respected, not copied. Same with Heads Up Holdem, as a ripoff of UTH.
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October 22nd, 2017 at 9:18:44 PM permalink
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I notice that the FH pays 11:1 and flush 7:1 also instead of 10 & 6 respectively on MS.


I haven't seen that paytable yet.
Interesting.
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October 22nd, 2017 at 10:02:38 PM permalink
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I haven't seen that paytable yet.
Interesting.


That's what it looks like on the link above.
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October 23rd, 2017 at 3:32:42 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

IMO, it's a ripoff of MSstud and as such does not deserve your play. I think inventors' IP should be respected, not copied. Same with Heads Up Holdem, as a ripoff of UTH.



I couldn't agree more.
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October 23rd, 2017 at 5:45:00 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

IMO, it's a ripoff of MSstud and as such does not deserve your play. I think inventors' IP should be respected, not copied. Same with Heads Up Holdem, as a ripoff of UTH.



I'm surprised Heads Up Hold Em isn't catching on a lot faster. From what I understand, it's a lot cheaper to lease than UTH, and it's got a higher house edge, all while giving the player more ways to win. The recreational player thinks he's getting a better deal, and if he's the sort who doesn't like to four-bet anyway, then he is.

Player's Edge 21 is another game that's a carbon copy of another established classic (Spanish 21). The only differences to the main game are the 3:1 payouts paying for diamonds instead of spades, and insurance paying 5:1 on a suited blackjack.

There's supposed to be a feature that a player's suited-pair 20 is an automatic winner, but apparently casinos are allowed to opt out of that rule.
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October 29th, 2017 at 5:19:09 AM permalink
Just finished my write-up for Cajun Stud. Please click the link and let me know what you think. As always, I welcome all questions, comments, and especially corrections.

To those who call it a ripoff of Mississippi Stud, there are three significant differences:

  1. Three decisions points instead of two
  2. Player may bet 1x to 3x the Ante at each decision point, as opposed to 1x only
  3. Decision are raise or fold, not raise or check


P.S. Never mind, I was confusing Mississippi Stud and Let it Ride.
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October 29th, 2017 at 6:08:10 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

...To those who call it a ripoff of Mississippi Stud, there are three significant differences:

  1. Three decisions points instead of two
  2. Player may bet 1x to 3x the Ante at each decision point, as opposed to 1x only
  3. Decision are raise or fold, not raise or check


That's exactly Mississippi Stud.
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October 29th, 2017 at 6:54:35 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Just finished my write-up for Cajun Stud. Please click the link and let me know what you think. As always, I welcome all questions, comments, and especially corrections.

To those who call it a ripoff of Mississippi Stud, there are three significant differences:

  1. Three decisions points instead of two
  2. Player may bet 1x to 3x the Ante at each decision point, as opposed to 1x only
  3. Decision are raise or fold, not raise or check


The original version of Cajun stud was supposed to allow you to check.
I think that is the version you are describing.
Dan Lubin said they ended up scrapping that version.
The Cajun Stud tables I have seen are exactly like Mississippi stud as far as the betting structure,.
There are 5 different pay tables available but I have only seen three of them in use.

Edit ,after reading your write up it seems you described the 2nd version which is identical to Mississippi Stud not the original version.
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October 29th, 2017 at 7:04:54 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Quote: Wizard

...To those who call it a ripoff of Mississippi Stud, there are three significant differences:

  1. Three decisions points instead of two
  2. Player may bet 1x to 3x the Ante at each decision point, as opposed to 1x only
  3. Decision are raise or fold, not raise or check


That's exactly Mississippi Stud.



Yes. This is Mississippi Stud, literally.
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October 29th, 2017 at 7:14:25 AM permalink
Quote: SM777

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Quote: Wizard

...To those who call it a ripoff of Mississippi Stud, there are three significant differences:

  1. Three decisions points instead of two
  2. Player may bet 1x to 3x the Ante at each decision point, as opposed to 1x only
  3. Decision are raise or fold, not raise or check


That's exactly Mississippi Stud.



Yes. This is Mississippi Stud, literally.


Yep. The only difference I see is the pay table.
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October 29th, 2017 at 9:28:30 AM permalink
Maybe the patent expired..
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October 29th, 2017 at 11:54:45 AM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill


The original version of Cajun stud was supposed to allow you to check.
I think that is the version you are describing.



The version I just analyzed is the raise or fold version. You can play it at the Galaxy web site. The Galaxy video also clearly shows it is a raise or fold game.
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October 29th, 2017 at 11:54:46 AM permalink
Quote: allinriverking

Maybe the patent expired..



I don't think there ever was one. But, that's not really the issue anyway.

Imagine if one of us created a game identical to High Card Flush and peddled it throughout the industry for $150 a month. Galaxy would go out of business, and you'd have yourself a nice monthly income. What good does that do the table games industry though?
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October 29th, 2017 at 11:56:45 AM permalink
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That's exactly Mississippi Stud.



You're right. I was confusing Let it Ride and Mississippi Stud. My bad.

Now I really feel stupid, I spent hours analyzing this yesterday and didn't realize I had analyzed the exact same game already. Hopefully this is just normal aging and not a sign of Alzheimer's disease.

At least I don't need to work on the second and third decision points, as that information is covered in my Mississippi Stud page.
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October 29th, 2017 at 12:04:44 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The version I just analyzed is the raise or fold version. You can play it at the Galaxy web site. The Galaxy video also clearly shows it is a raise or fold game.


Yes your write up is clearly about the raise or fold game,but your post on this forum seemed to be referring to the other version where you could check or bet,hence my confusion.
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October 29th, 2017 at 1:46:07 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

Yes your write up is clearly about the raise or fold game,but your post on this forum seemed to be referring to the other version where you could check or bet,hence my confusion.



I was trying to explain how it was different from Let it Ride. However, I was all confused at the time. Let's move on.
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November 2nd, 2017 at 9:36:14 AM permalink
There was a patent SM777. When patents expire other companies can make and sell the same product. It's called competition and is good for the consumer, as prices are suppose to go down.
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February 12th, 2019 at 7:44:33 PM permalink
I'm a little confused by some of the WoO wording for CS. For example...
Quote: Rule #1

The game uses any number of ordinary 52-card playing cards.

Does this just mean one deck?

Also, for the strategy....

Quote: First Decision Point

Make large raise with any pair.
Make medium raise with any of the following:

At least one high card
Two medium cards
5/6 suited

I get the "large" x3 for any pair but would "medium raise" actually mean x2 as opposed to "small" x1 à la MS?
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February 12th, 2019 at 8:14:13 PM permalink
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I don't think there ever was one. But, that's not really the issue anyway.

Imagine if one of us created a game identical to High Card Flush and peddled it throughout the industry for $150 a month. Galaxy would go out of business, and you'd have yourself a nice monthly income. What good does that do the table games industry though?



How did I get subscribed to this thread? Ironically, SciShflGames has created "I Luv Suits Poker" in these past two years. So don't worry about anyone getting ripped off as I'm sure they charge at least $1,000 per table per month for High Card Flush.
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May 11th, 2023 at 6:18:33 PM permalink
There is a game at a nearby casino called Louisiana Stud. It looks just like Cajun Stud to me, except it does not pay flushes. At least not on the main Ante/Raise bets. I wonder how much that one difference changes the house edge.
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May 12th, 2023 at 7:44:29 AM permalink
Quote: WillA

There is a game at a nearby casino called Louisiana Stud. It looks just like Cajun Stud to me, except it does not pay flushes. At least not on the main Ante/Raise bets. I wonder how much that one difference changes the house edge.
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It does not pay flushes? You mean, if you have a flush then you lose? Pay out is -1?
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May 12th, 2023 at 11:21:23 AM permalink
Good question. I don't see flushes listed on the published pay table. So, maybe they would fall under "Jacks or Better" and pay 1:1. That would make more sense.

I haven't actually played the game, yet. I'm just doing research before I go. When I'm there I'll verify. Maybe the pay table on their website contains a mistake.
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May 13th, 2023 at 12:07:04 AM permalink
Okay, so the casino website is just wrong. The payouts that are physically printed on the Louisiana Stud tables say that a flush pays 6:1 just like Cajun Stud. The differences between the two games must be in the side bets, which I never play anyway.
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