Dice manufacturing question

Does anyone happen to know or be involved with a gaming company, with multi-jurisdictional licensing, that has the ability to manufacture a custom pyramid(4 sided) or an 8 sided dice and shaker, that i can use for my game Money$uit 31.

If anyone who hasnt already, would like to try out my game, there is a demo up at www.moneysuit31.com. I would like to hear everyones opinions!

If anyone has any info but would like ot keep it out of the public eye. you can email me throught the contact us link on the site as well.

You might consider whether there's a way to accomplish what you need using standard casino equipment. Is there a way to roll one or more six-sided dice to do what you need?

In Nevada, at least, there is no licensing requirement for dice -- so you could technically go to a games store and get some role-playing dice. D4 and D8 are quite common; they're just not precision-manufactured. If you want to contact manufacturers for custom jobs, start with

Paulson/GPI
TCS John Huxley
Kardwell

Good luck!

I tried your game. Maybe I am missing something, but isnt there an advantage in being the last player to act? Since you are not only competing with the house, but also the other players, I will give you a scenario... If all 5 players before you 'fold' this gives you info that they have weak hands. Even if you have a weak hand that you would normally not play you may try to improve to win the community pot, even if it is a bad decision with regard to your other bet against the house. Conversely, if all 5 players before you go in and you have an iffy decision to play against the house you would likely know that improving your hand does not markedly improve your chances of winning the community pot. Did I misinterpret the rules?

Mathextremist, thank you for the information. i will get touch base with them at some point next week. As far as the other comment you had regarding the use of regular dice, i have considered this befor yet it may be slightly confusing for the dealers to always have to decode the dice every hand. Also i feel that having custom dice would suit the game better. I do appreciate the ideas!

soopoo, you arent the first person to mention this. when the game goes live we may instate an order to players decisions to eliminate this issue. although, since players theoretically will play to optimize strategy against the house this may not be something that needs to be adressed. also, players do not need to make there play decisions in order of position at the table.

I am not sure I know what 'we may instate an order' means? When you say 'theoretically players will play to optimize strategy against the house' I think you may be wrong. If I am betting $5 against the house and there is $30 in the player pot, I will use strategy to optimize the much bigger win. And what other way do you expect players to make decisions instead of their order at the table? I think the players pot is undoable. One other potential problem with the game is the general unfamiliarity with what strategy to use as far as when to play, what the odds are, what is the house edge. In its defense, I would guess that's how I would have characterized Carribean Stud, too. Overall I would say that the player pot is the deal breaker. One social reason it also may have problems is the fact that spouses, friends, etc. may sit at the same table. Now technically at a paigow table there is no communicating between players, but if you are actually competing against each other it might have to be strictly enforced, like in a real poker room.

Soopoo, if it is determined a nescesary inclusion by the gaming commission in the jurisdiction in which we go live, we will detemine a "dealer" by using a method similar to that in paigow. As you had stated in a previous post, that given the senario where you are in the last position with a weak hand and all other player fold, you will play because it would greatly increases your chances of winning the family pot. This is true, which is the reason why we "may" incorporate the "dealer" position, although the probability of this scenario taking place isnt all that frequent. Also, As seen in just about every game played in a casino where players either play, stay or bet, players typically never make decisions in order of table position due to the fact that these decisions are "no brainers"

With the feedback that I have recieved from just about everyone who has tryed the demo, is that they loved the idea of the family pot and that they would like to see them it incorporated into other games as well. The fact that a game offers players "free odds" on one of their wagers is a nice little bonus to the game. This is the reason why I had incorporated this pot into the game. It is a guaranteed victory for at least one player every hand. So the fact that you state that the players pot is a "deal breaker" and that it is "undoable" is foreign to me.

As far as your optimal strategy question, with any new game people will be unfamiliar with the optimal strategy of play in the early stages. As stated by GLI optimal stategy while playing Money$uit 31 is folding all hands other than a 16 or higher, and A and 10 value card of opposing suits, a pair of eights or higher and an already winning hand. The discard strategy is more complex, yet this is where the fun decisions come into play for the players. If you want some insight on this determining this startegy, take a look through the "Money$uit 31" thread in the table games section of this site where a few people discuse how to go about determining the right play.

As far as your social concerns regarding the game. It is to my knowledge that no information regarding players hands, in a closed hand game, can be exchanged between players at the table at any time. So this rule wil have to be enforced as it is at with any carnival game on a casino floor.

I hope that post doesnt come off as overly agressive because i do appreciate your feedback. The reason why i am involved on this forum is to gain insite from people that are involved in the industry and will have constuctive critasism for me in regards to my game.

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Does anyone happen to know or be involved with a gaming company, with multi-jurisdictional licensing, that has the ability to manufacture a custom pyramid(4 sided) or an 8 sided dice and shaker, that i can use for my game Money$uit 31.

There is a company that manufactures precision polyhedral dice. "Gamescience"
http://www.gamescience.com/

Personally, I'd go with 6 sided dice, with two blank faces. Even wtih custom imprints on the 4 sides, 6 sided dice are probably cheaper than 4 sided dice, and probably more readily accepted by casinos and players.

Just use two different color dies and a bubble shaker like the one used on PaiGow Tiles. If the red die is blank, then use the blue die. If both are blank, re-roll. You would only need to re-roll 1 in 9 times.

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As far as your social concerns regarding the game. It is to my knowledge that no information regarding players hands, in a closed hand game, can be exchanged between players at the table at any time. So this rule wil have to be enforced as it is at with any carnival game on a casino floor.

Right, but those rules are often not enforced. Go watch Pai Gow Poker for a while and see how the players hold their cards. Any closed-hand game is fodder for card-switching scams, so you'll need to account for that carefully -- and be able to explain to the operators why it's not a problem.

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Does anyone happen to know or be involved with a gaming company, with multi-jurisdictional licensing, that has the ability to manufacture a custom pyramid(4 sided) or an 8 sided dice and shaker, that i can use for my game Money$uit 31.

If anyone who hasnt already, would like to try out my game, there is a demo up at www.moneysuit31.com. I would like to hear everyones opinions!

If anyone has any info but would like ot keep it out of the public eye. you can email me throught the contact us link on the site as well.

It may be easier, and faster to install a random number generator (as seen at many Pai Gow Poker tables) instead of dice and a shaker. The display could be linked to the "drop" slots for the family pot, similar to the slots for progressive side bets in Caribbean Stud, and display the amount in play for each round. This display would also serve as a "billboard" to catch the attention of passerbys, and raise interest in the game.

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Personally, I'd go with 6 sided dice, with two blank faces. Even wtih custom imprints on the 4 sides, 6 sided dice are probably cheaper than 4 sided dice, and probably more readily accepted by casinos and players.

Just use two different color dies and a bubble shaker like the one used on PaiGow Tiles. If the red die is blank, then use the blue die. If both are blank, re-roll. You would only need to re-roll 1 in 9 times.

DJ,
Thank you for this suggestion, i think this would be more effective than the four sided die.

Mathextremist,
this is something that would be dealt with between myself and managment given the game is being placed, i do appreciate the heads up.

ay,
That was the original intention to use a generator symilar to paigow. but due to the costs and regulations associated with generators we decided it would be more appropriate to use a custom dice.

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DJ,
Thank you for this suggestion, i think this would be more effective than the four sided die.

No problem.

Hmmm... I smell a dice side bet! :)

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No problem.

Hmmm... I smell a dice side bet! :)

Haha, yes a money$uit side bet is something we planned on adding into the game down the road once we have been live for a little while. I didn't want to overload the layout with lots of different side wagers, so that player dont get intimidated and choose not to play the game.