LuckyPhow
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October 26th, 2017 at 7:14:00 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Nothing needs to be near the edge for a card to be edge sorted.



Riiiight! So, that's why they call it "edge sorting."

Because whether there is a distinct pattern difference there, or whether there is no pattern there, the edge can still be used to sort the cards. The very, VERY small edge revealed by the shoe.

Hmmm... I don't think so.

(edited because I accidently hit Post before finishing my text.)
RS
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October 26th, 2017 at 8:45:21 PM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

Riiiight! So, that's why they call it "edge sorting."

Because whether there is a distinct pattern difference there, or whether there is no pattern there, the edge can still be used to sort the cards. The very, VERY small edge revealed by the shoe.

Hmmm... I don't think so.

(edited because I accidently hit Post before finishing my text.)


Imagine the following card with faded off edges so there are no asymmetries on the edges and one of the "Borgata" logos are removed. Surely you don't believe such a card cannot be sorted.

Ibeatyouraces
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October 26th, 2017 at 8:51:15 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Imagine the following card with faded off edges so there are no asymmetries on the edges and one of the "Borgata" logos are removed. Surely you don't believe such a card cannot be sorted.


There are still places that have one logo on one end and a different one on the other.
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October 26th, 2017 at 9:07:25 PM permalink
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DRich
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October 27th, 2017 at 5:51:45 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

Gaming and judges know very little, I hit a jackpot this week and had to call gaming over being refused a payout. I had to basically
Explain the situation to gaming and to
The casino who
Still had no
Clue and refused to pay



I would be interested to here what was being disputed even if you have to change up some of the details to stay anonymous.
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October 27th, 2017 at 8:15:35 AM permalink
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October 27th, 2017 at 8:20:24 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Imagine the following card with faded off edges so there are no asymmetries on the edges and one of the "Borgata" logos are removed. Surely you don't believe such a card cannot be sorted.



Hmmm... Sorta confusing with the double negatives in your last sentence. My comments:
  • I think it would be difficult to edge-sort the card in your picture.
  • Regardless of whether the card you described had one Borgata logo or two, if the edges were asymmetric (i.e., visually distinct from one another), I agree such cards could be vulnerable to edge sorting. But, the logos are unimportant because they are sufficiently distant from the edge to impact edge-sorting vulnerabilities one way or the other.
  • My comment referred to the post by FCBLComish, which stated, "Every card from every manufacturer is subject to edge sorting." Imagine the card you showed with the two Borgata logos, but the rest of the card a uniform full-bleed-to-the-edge blue (or other) color. I believe a card such as that would be impossible to edge sort, where only a small portion of the long edge of the card shows in the shoe. That's pretty close to perfect symmetry in my book.

Phil Ivey had to request a VERY specific card style from a specific manufacturer so Sun could edge-sort the cards. You and FCBLComish seem to suggest any cards could have been used for edge sorting. I don't think so. My 2 cents.
Ibeatyouraces
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October 27th, 2017 at 8:27:24 AM permalink
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But, the logos are unimportant because they are sufficiently distant from the edge to impact edge-sorting vulnerabilities one way or the other.


Dont be so naive.

https://www.888casino.com/blog/edge-sorting/edge-sorting-the-most-dangerous-card
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LuckyPhow
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October 27th, 2017 at 8:48:05 AM permalink
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Quote: LuckyPhow

But, the logos are unimportant because they are sufficiently distant from the edge to impact edge-sorting vulnerabilities one way or the other.


Dont be so naive.

https://www.888casino.com/blog/edge-sorting/edge-sorting-the-most-dangerous-card



??? WTF?

As far as I can tell, the article you reference makes no comment about the logo being involved in edge sorting. It shows cards where the most tiny triangles on the edges are not equally symmetric. That's what edge-sorting is all about.

Also, the corners on the two cards in the article you referenced are not equally symmetric in how they are rounded, and that also is an edge-sorting vulnerability. I guess the cards were made that way on purpose, but I cannot help but wonder if that is how the casino "cancelled" them so they could be sold after the casino finished using them. The article doesn't speak to that at all.

How does the article you referenced indicate the logo is key to the cards being edge sorted? Someone may be naive, but it may not be me.
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October 27th, 2017 at 8:54:29 AM permalink
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