Ibeatyouraces
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September 24th, 2016 at 11:01:43 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

We've also seen Shuffle Master release many 1,000 install games and totally dominate the industry with Mississippi Stud (The original huge table game hit), Three Card Poker (1,500 installs and a regular casino staple like Blackjack or Pai Gow Poker), Ultimate Texas Hold 'em (1,000 installs), Dragon Bonus for baccarat (700 installs), Crazy-4-Poker, et al, with the new DJ Wild doing well. One can also say George Clooney or Mick Jagger also sometimes fart, and so cannot get a date, - when we'd kill to have their lives as men.


I wasn't knocking them, just making a point that they do release duds from time to time. I think that's what he's saying the PGP vision will pan out to be. Only time will tell. The players decide whether it's good or not, not the distributor.

And no, I don't want some celebrities lives. I prefer being anonymous walking down the street and not have to hide behind body guards.
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Paigowdan
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September 24th, 2016 at 11:16:03 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I wasn't knocking them, just making a point that they do release duds from time to time. I think that's what he's saying the PGP vision will pan out to be. Only time will tell. The players decide whether it's good or not, not the distributor.




Okay, true.
I said if it is installed in Thunder Valley, signed and supported by Shuffle Master, and is getting gonzo action by heavy PGP players, it's off to a very solid start that any true game designer in-the-know would say: "If any game looks good, it may be this one. One HEALTHY frigging baby here..." Most would say to themselves, "Sh-t, I'm as jealous as hell." Freebet, EZ Baccarat, Wild-5 Poker and only a handful of others have had any sort of a good birth.

I've had new games catch fire (Commission-free Pai Gow and a lot of stuff for Galaxy), - and many new games on field trial life support - beyond the help of an IV drip. Double Blackjack comes to mind. ("Terribly sorry, fellas - the Mass will be Tuesday....")

Always the gamblers decide in the end, I know.
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RoyalBJ
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September 25th, 2016 at 12:06:54 AM permalink
Quote: y2d2

Was just told Thunder Valley is the only casino anywhere that has this game. On month #2 or 3 of a 3-month trial for ShuffleMaster.

The inventor is said to be a dealer or floor at Thunder Valley. The plays are dropping quickly; the table limit has been reduced from $25 to $10. IMO, no future here...
Paigowdan
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September 25th, 2016 at 12:58:03 AM permalink
Quote: RoyalBJ

The inventor is said to be a dealer or floor at Thunder Valley. The plays are dropping quickly; the table limit has been reduced from $25 to $10. IMO, no future here...


Ahh...now this is a fly in the ointment here
A sign of under-holding...
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y2d2
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September 25th, 2016 at 3:31:03 AM permalink
Quote: RoyalBJ

The inventor is said to be a dealer or floor at Thunder Valley.



I was told that as well.

Quote: RoyalBJ

The plays are dropping quickly; the table limit has been reduced from $25 to $10. IMO, no future here...


The table stayed pretty full this weekend, and was fuller than the other PGP tables at any given time. During prime time it was very difficult to get a seat. Most people there seemed to think the ace-high push is well worth the dealer card information. There were a few exceptions who absolutely despised the ace-high pishes, but they appeared more or less the simpleton type that can barely set a hand correctly even with dealer cards up.
gordonm888
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September 25th, 2016 at 8:11:45 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

I spent 20 years being a database administrator for a non-profit college, after five years as a systems programmer for an engineering firm. And two years in the U.S. Army as a field artillery mathematician back in the 1980's
I've done important work for society running computer systems for higher education in addition to serving this country.



That's genuinely helpful. I think more highly of you.

Quote: Paigowdan

I think you come off in a very false and grandiose fashion stating that your work is somehow more important or divine in any way over other people's work, - to include the the people who work in the gaming industry, or support that industry by gambling.



I do think that the casino industry has very little value to society and may have net negative value overall. I have read your combative and ludicrous posts in this forum and they have eroded my respect for you.

Quote: Paigowdan

I mean, who [the hell] exactly are you, and why are you saying this crap at this board? I don't get this approach of yours.



I have degrees in physics and nuclear engineering. I was Chief Technology Officer at Oak Ridge Nat'l Lab where I had previously assumed leadership of a research area and in 8 years I grew that area's research funding from $16 million/yr to $196 million/yr. I led a scientific research organization with >700 staff. Most recently, I worked for several years in a very high ranking office in the federal government (an office above the CIA Director's Office) where I led an important national security project.

I have served on many (I count ten) State Department delegations for overseas meetings with foreign governments.

I have been ceremonially thanked by NASA for leading a technical team that designed and manufactured a piece of hardware that traveled to Cassini (a moon of Saturn).

I have had senior scientific responsibilities in the Dept. of Energy for Climate Change modification.

I have multiple classified U.S. patents and one unclassified patent in the area of medical radioisotope production methods.

Beyond my talents as a scientist and engineer, my favorite field is mathematics. I have done gaming mathematics on and off for almost 40 years. I have never publicly published my gaming mathematics work (because I have not sought attention), but let me say that I consider myself to be one of the top 5-10 U.S. experts in this area. I have developed a couple of novel analytical methods that go beyond the standard combination mathematics (and MC methods) that Shackleford and Eliot Richardson use.

On the immediate topic, in Pai Gow Poker I have a computer code that calculates the EV of any player hand (all seven ranks and suits) as a function of the number of other cards that you have seen and the number of Aces and the number of Kings that you noticed in these cards. It is the only code in the world that I am aware of that can do that type of analysis. I have shown analysis results from that code in this forum.

I also have a wife (28 years of marriage), 2 wonderful grown children and a wide array of interests, hobbies and friends. I have a rich, fulfilling life, and because of that I don't sit all alone in a tiny apartment heating up frozen dinners and plastering internet forums with thousands of posts defending the casino industry like you and MathExtremist do.

You and your fellow gaming mathematicians live in a very narrow slice of the world and I believe there is much beyond your ken.
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TwoFeathersATL
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September 25th, 2016 at 8:46:47 AM permalink
Perhaps you forgot to read 'How to win friends and influence people'?

Nice résumé though.
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Paigowdan
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September 25th, 2016 at 8:53:57 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

I do think that the casino industry has very little value to society and may have net negative value overall.


Then why are you here at a gambling forum, to be a troll?
Gaming is entertainment, not medicine or law, and we know that, and we don't pretend otherwise. Gaming doesn't have to be socially important in a "Charlie Rose" sense or add to society in any way; it just has to be our interest and activity - that you seem to need to come here to criticize.

Quote: g888

I have read your combative and ludicrous posts in this forum and they have eroded my respect for you.


I would say I that gave this game designer some support for his success when you and others attempted to falsely tear down what he had accomplished to date.

I couldn't care less of your opinion for me or anything else. As for me, I never had respect for you from square one.
I think you're the one who is pompous and combative as hell, offering critical and combative posts (starting with the first sentence above, criticizing gambling as socially worthless and negative at a gambling forum) - and that you are projecting that onto me and others.

Quote: g888

I have degrees in physics and nuclear engineering. I was Chief Technology Officer at Oak Ridge Nat'l Lab where I had previously ....

I have had senior scientific responsibilities in the Dept. of Energy for Climate Change modification.

I have multiple classified U.S. patents and one unclassified patent in the area of medical radioisotope production methods.


Why should we care about your accomplishments for NASA and the government, etc. - if you come here to be useless for gaming and hostile about gaming and to criticize it, at a gambling forum of all places?

Quote: g888

Beyond my talents as a scientist and engineer, my favorite field is mathematics. I have done gaming mathematics on and off for almost 40 years. I have never publicly published my gaming mathematics work (because I have not sought attention), but let me say that I consider myself to be one of the top 5-10 U.S. experts in this area. I have developed a couple of novel analytical methods that go beyond the standard combination mathematics (and MC methods) that Shackleford and Eliot use.


The math and gaming work that Eliot Jacobson and Mike Shackleford have done is very fine and is far more helpful for gaming and gamblers; they are far more respected by gaming because they are useful, they are pro gaming and have supported it, and so are known for it. If you had not published and can't substantiate your utility to the gaming industry, then don't claim to be in the top handful of gaming mathematicians when you have done nothing here, and they are indeed in that top echelon and are respected for it.

Quote: g888

I also have a wife (28 years of marriage), 2 wonderful grown children and a wide array of interests, hobbies and friends. I have a rich, fulfilling life, and because of that I don't sit all alone in a tiny apartment heating up frozen dinners and plastering internet forums with thousands of posts defending the casino industry like you and MathExtremist do.


This is a useless ad hominen attack, and ME and I are well to do, - and we'll defend the industry when appropriate in our opinion.
I own and run businesses outside of gaming, have written and published books, and don't live in a tiny rental apartment eating frozen TV dinners - which is quite a hostile and childish accusation to make, while purporting to be a NASA key player.

Quote: g888

You and your fellow gaming mathematicians live in a very narrow slice of the world and I believe there is much beyond your ken.


You yourself live in a narrow slice of the world if you come to a gambling forum to criticize gambling and the gaming industry, and the people who support it and partake in it.

You post a fancy resume, claim to a gambling forum that gaming is bad for society and negative, - and have done nothing for gaming.
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Paigowdan
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September 25th, 2016 at 9:27:59 AM permalink
Quote: TwoFeathersATL

Perhaps you forgot to read 'How to win friends and influence people'?

Nice résumé though.


Very impressive resume for top level government and Engineering work.
But zero casino, gaming, and game design work.
I don't know why he is here, it is certainly not to support the game designer of 7up Pai Gow Poker, or gambling in general, but to falsely criticize the new game, and gambling in general.
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gordonm888
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September 25th, 2016 at 9:33:28 AM permalink
Quote: TwoFeathersATL

Perhaps you forgot to read 'How to win friends and influence people'?

Nice résumé though.



TwoFeathers, you are among the many people in this forum that I do like and respect. You are also the only fellow southeastern-er I am aware of who posts with any regularity on this forum!

Shackelford is industrious, intellectually curious, bright and pays attention to quality in his work. He has achieved a lot and I respect him greatly.

Babs is smart and grounded, she impresses me as a decent human being - sort of a warden amongst the forum's misfits and weirdos.

I am fascinated and very impressed with Romes and Miplet especially. Also, there are a couple of dozen people who only post occasionally in the forum who I wish would post more often - I would love to learn from them.

However, I have posted a number of math analyses in this forum (including one on the first page of this thread) that no one has commented on, and my disappointment in that has probably soured my attitude towards the in-forum math geeks..

Most of all, I admit to having philosophical differences with PaigowDan and (especially) MathExtremist. They seem to have some good qualities but I have become weary of the parochialism, arrogance and condescension that they have directed at me (and others) in their posts. I am unaccustomed to condescension and, as a result, I'm pushing back at Dan with my own condescension. It is what it is.

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