Baccarat
May 27th, 2016 at 2:45:31 PM
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So I'm a poker player by night and a business man by day but I've found myself wandering to table games when I take breaks (not usually my thing as I like making money not throwing it away)...
I've come to watch these players playing baccarat and this one guy in particular seems to always cash out (very observant), he writes every card and every hand that goes every way and changes between player and banker based on this but I've seen him cash out 30k multiple times in the same week and I know for a fact he sets his daily loss at 8k so he has to be making money.
My curiosity is, other than knowing all of the odds and being able to math like that on the fly, is there a progression system that over time pays off? I've tried finding a lot of stuff online but it always ends in "pay for this book" and I'm not the kind of person to buy in to that stuff... Presently I've been playing 1/3/2/4 and it seems to break even or win for the most part but obviously there are down swings.
Looking for professional advice.
I've come to watch these players playing baccarat and this one guy in particular seems to always cash out (very observant), he writes every card and every hand that goes every way and changes between player and banker based on this but I've seen him cash out 30k multiple times in the same week and I know for a fact he sets his daily loss at 8k so he has to be making money.
My curiosity is, other than knowing all of the odds and being able to math like that on the fly, is there a progression system that over time pays off? I've tried finding a lot of stuff online but it always ends in "pay for this book" and I'm not the kind of person to buy in to that stuff... Presently I've been playing 1/3/2/4 and it seems to break even or win for the most part but obviously there are down swings.
Looking for professional advice.
May 27th, 2016 at 2:48:44 PM
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NoQuote: YoriNewbis there a progression system that over time pays off?
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
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May 27th, 2016 at 2:52:46 PM
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Quote: OnceDearNo
I second that.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
May 27th, 2016 at 3:09:04 PM
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Quote: OnceDearNo
Ok, is there any system that pays off? I know you can go 1 - 2 -4 - 8 and chase losses knowing you'll hit eventually, however is it really luck based in its entirety?
May 27th, 2016 at 3:22:44 PM
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Time for the Guinness and cashew, hey hey!
" Life is a well of joy; but where the rabble drinks too, all wells are poisoned!" Nietzsche
May 27th, 2016 at 3:36:01 PM
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Quote: YoriNewbOk, is there any system that pays off? I know you can go 1 - 2 -4 - 8 and chase losses knowing you'll hit eventually, however is it really luck based in its entirety?
In theory you should hit sometime, but that time might not come before you either A) run out of money, or B) bump into the table maximum. If you had unlimited money and there was no maximum, sure.
How many times have you seen him cash out? How many times have you seen him not cash out? Chances are it's a small sample size, even if it's more than ten. Simple answer: He's running good.
Casinos are not your friends, they want your money. But so does Disneyland.
And there is no chance in hell that you will go to Disneyland and come back with more money than you went with.
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May 27th, 2016 at 3:38:13 PM
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Quote: YoriNewbOk, is there any system that pays off?
If there was, the game would no longer exist.
May 27th, 2016 at 3:49:42 PM
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No.Quote: YoriNewbOk, is there any system that pays off?
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
May 27th, 2016 at 4:06:38 PM
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How long have people been trying to find a system that will beat a game with a house edge, by doing some kind of progression, or trying to find a repeatable pattern in random events?
We don't know for sure how long, but it is measured in centuries, we know that.
OK, perhaps this is the Messiah you have met, that we have been waiting for over the millennia. Do you really think so?
We don't know for sure how long, but it is measured in centuries, we know that.
OK, perhaps this is the Messiah you have met, that we have been waiting for over the millennia. Do you really think so?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
May 27th, 2016 at 4:36:20 PM
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Here is a system. Wait for 24 bankers in a row and bet the opposite (player) on hand 25. As near as I can tell 24 bankers in a row is some damn something. So bet player on hand 25. If you win, quit and wait for the next 24 string of bankers. If you lose you can claim that you played a part in establishing a new world record and should have got completely hammered waiting for a 24 B's. A winner.l
Yeah, I know 24 bankers in a row is probably not a world record. Would be mildly interested to know what the record is and who actually keeps track of that vital information.
Yeah, I know 24 bankers in a row is probably not a world record. Would be mildly interested to know what the record is and who actually keeps track of that vital information.
May 27th, 2016 at 5:25:19 PM
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The baccarats is a serious thing but most cats ain't serious. It's coconut city, baby, hey hey.
" Life is a well of joy; but where the rabble drinks too, all wells are poisoned!" Nietzsche
May 27th, 2016 at 5:31:36 PM
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Quote: OnceDearNo.
I second that.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
May 27th, 2016 at 6:20:34 PM
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Baccarat is a negative EV game and no amount of bet manipulation is going to change the house edge. Some Baccarat players use progressive betting which results in a higher average bet and ultimately larger long term losses. Casinos also encourage this by structuring their betting rules with large differentials.
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May 27th, 2016 at 6:22:44 PM
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Quote: davethebuilderBaccarat is a negative EV game and no amount of bet manipulation is going to change the house edge. Some Baccarat players use progressive betting which results in a higher average bet and ultimately larger long term losses. Casinos also encourage this by structuring their betting rules with large differentials.
I do wish that that was the case as my local is very stingy as far as offering a nice fat spread between min-max bets, hey hey.
" Life is a well of joy; but where the rabble drinks too, all wells are poisoned!" Nietzsche
May 27th, 2016 at 7:41:46 PM
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Trains, planes and automobiles are a thing nowadays.Quote: soxfanI do wish that that was the case as my local is very stingy as far as offering a nice fat spread between min-max bets, hey hey.
There's many casinos around the world that offer craparat, they even have hotels you can stay at.
So If you have a system that gives you an advantage at craparat you can actually use one of the many easy modes of transportation and go knock their sox off.
Last edited by: AxelWolf on May 27, 2016
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 27th, 2016 at 10:10:34 PM
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So more or less stick to poker. :)
May 27th, 2016 at 11:35:28 PM
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Quote: YoriNewbSo more or less stick to poker. :)
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 28th, 2016 at 2:49:21 AM
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Quote: sisyphusHere is a system. Wait for 24 bankers in a row and bet the opposite (player) on hand 25. As near as I can tell 24 bankers in a row is some damn something. So bet player on hand 25. If you win, quit and wait for the next 24 string of bankers. If you lose you can claim that you played a part in establishing a new world record and should have got completely hammered waiting for a 24 B's. A winner.l
Yeah, I know 24 bankers in a row is probably not a world record. Would be mildly interested to know what the record is and who actually keeps track of that vital information.
Actually such systems as you describe do work to save the gambler money, supposing the gambler can sit and wait, wagering nothing until there have been 24 in a row. Alas it still won't beat the house edge LOL.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
June 4th, 2016 at 9:00:38 PM
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Yes I can tell you the answer but "buy my book" lol... Only if there was system we all be winners.
On a serious note, I do play it like that guy you mention maybe not that much however I do have my own way of keeping scores and writing numbers and I have to admit I win more than I lose...
On a serious note, I do play it like that guy you mention maybe not that much however I do have my own way of keeping scores and writing numbers and I have to admit I win more than I lose...
June 4th, 2016 at 10:30:44 PM
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The -EV still not catching up with me yet. I am still on the positive side. Hope it last awhile. Love the game very much.
June 4th, 2016 at 11:55:01 PM
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Out of curiosity, what's to stop a player with a big bankroll from just going casino to casino wherever they can get pre-negotiated loss rebates that turn Baccarat positive? I'm sure that some have done this, but I'm wondering why it isn't a more popular AP strategy.
June 5th, 2016 at 4:09:08 AM
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Quote: cwazyOut of curiosity, what's to stop a player with a big bankroll from just going casino to casino wherever they can get pre-negotiated loss rebates that turn Baccarat positive? I'm sure that some have done this, but I'm wondering why it isn't a more popular AP strategy.
I don't know much about it, but for sure you have to be recognized first as a desirable gambler who consistently offers a big fat theoretical, consistently. My thinking: if that is an act, and you change into a different gambler, you have to figure the casinos will be on to you and try to tear up loss rebate agreements. For you to prevent that, they would have to fear you and what you could do with your fleet of lawyers. In other words, you better be well bankrolled - we aren't talking $10k or so, it would have to be much bigger including the phase of establishing theoretical.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
