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February 27th, 2016 at 7:42:54 PM permalink
Many stories seem to come up repeatedly when chatting with other gamblers- here are three popular tales. Are they urban legends or do they have a hint of truth to them? Feel free to share other stories you've heard.

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Pai Gow Poker

A down-on-his-luck gambler is playing Pai Gow Poker with his last few dollars, betting the table minimum with no bonus bet. Miraculously, he is dealt a 7 card straight flush. He turns to the player next to him, who is playing the bonus, shows his rare hand to him and says: "Give me half of your envy bonus or I'm tossing this hand away." The player refuses to share. The down-on-his-luck gambler quickly slides his cards into the discard tray, forfeits his bet, and leaves the table.

Alternate Version: The player agrees to share the envy bonus with the gambler, then tells him to screw off after he receives the $5,000 in cheques.



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Low Stakes Limit Hold'em

Two old timers who have a mutual dislike for each other are playing a low stakes poker game, when a hand comes up on the river. The board shows two jacks and two kings, and there is an enormous bad beat jackpot. The first player bets, the second player raises, the first player re-raises, and after several more raises, the first player is all-in.

The first player proudly shows his pocket jacks. The other players at the table anxiously turn to the second player, knowing he is a tight player who only plays good hands and a bad beat jackpot is possible.

The second player flashes his cards- pocket kings, so only the dealer sees them, then slides his cards into the muck. He says to the first player: "Bob, I hate your guts so much, I'd rather kill myself then see you win the bad beat jackpot."



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World Series of Poker

A preliminary event at the World Series of Poker is on break, and a young player who is the tournament chip leader overhears the following conversation between two old time road gamblers in the hallway.

"Hey Sam, you still in this tournament?"

"Yeah Paul, I got about a hundred thousand in chips."

"That's about what I have", says Paul. "You wanna swap 20%?"

"Alright, let's do it. Good luck." They shake hands and part ways.

The young player waits until Sam walks far away, then runs up to Paul and says: "Sorry to bother you, sir. I just want to let you know, Sam was playing at my table. He just busted before the break."

Paul laughs and says; "That's alright, I didn't even enter this tournament."

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February 27th, 2016 at 7:52:17 PM permalink
This is one I've heard regarding UTH:

Player flopped the Royal for the progressive and was given a check. The next day while reviewing the tapes, it was discovered that the dealer did the wrong 3 cards for the flop. The casino called the player and said to bring the check back and they will issue one for the right amount (just 5% of the jackpot).
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February 27th, 2016 at 8:08:03 PM permalink
This is a really old one about Caribbean Stud that every dealer I've met has heard. Happened more than 25 years ago, when the game was hot and new.

Caribbean Stud is a game with a $1 progressive jackpot; top hand is the Royal. The game regularly got north of $250K on the jackpot when it was hot, with all tables in the network contributing (whatever the network is), and the Royal being rare using 5 cards out of 5. 2 tables of Caribbean Stud in this particular Casino, each has 1 spot open. Guy and his wife approach; the guy loves the game, the wife has never played it, and he's supposed to be teaching her. He wants to play so badly, he makes her sit down and play at the other table as well, even though she doesn't know what to do. He tells her to just bet everything she can at the minimum, and the dealer will help.

So she sits down and starts to play and pretty soon, (beginner's luck or whatever) she gets the Royal. She jumps up and, even though the other people are reaching for her to stop her, she runs over to her husband with her cards, screaming "Honey! Look at my hand! Look what I won!" And because she removed her hand from over the felt of the table they were dealt to, the casino did not pay the Royal, either the main game bonus or the jackpot. Not one dime.
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February 27th, 2016 at 8:22:37 PM permalink
I've heard that one as well.

Here is one that I witnessed at the Seminole casino poker room personally.

At a table next to me the bad beat was hit for somewhere between 100-150k

While they were waiting to be paid- one of the players left ( he was not in the hand)
He never returned

In Florida at the time (they still may) they checked got child support owed
He owed so he just left so he didn't get arrested and money seized and given to her anyway ( I think without him signing) they could not give it to his ex
They did pay everyone else at the table
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February 27th, 2016 at 8:39:35 PM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

I've heard that one as well.

Here is one that I witnessed at the Seminole casino poker room personally.

At a table next to me the bad beat was hit for somewhere between 100-150k

While they were waiting to be paid- one of the players left ( he was not in the hand)
He never returned

In Florida at the time (they still may) they checked got child support owed
He owed so he just left so he didn't get arrested and money seized and given to her anyway ( I think without him signing) they could not give it to his ex
They did pay everyone else at the table



Reminds me of the story of journalist Tony Balandran, who hit a 7 card straight flush at a casino in Harrah's North Kansas City. Because he was on the Missouri Voluntary Self-Exclusion Program, he was denied the jackpot and was arrested as well for criminal trespass. (Google: Tony Balandran)
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February 27th, 2016 at 8:49:28 PM permalink
Quote: chaunceyb3

Many stories seem to come up repeatedly when chatting with other gamblers- here are three popular tales. Are they urban legends or do they have a hint of truth to them? Feel free to share other stories you've heard.

---

Pai Gow Poker

A down-on-his-luck gambler is playing Pai Gow Poker with his last few dollars, betting the table minimum with no bonus bet. Miraculously, he is dealt a 7 card straight flush. He turns to the player next to him, who is playing the bonus, shows his rare hand to him and says: "Give me half of your envy bonus or I'm tossing this hand away." The player refuses to share. The down-on-his-luck gambler quickly slides his cards into the discard tray, forfeits his bet, and leaves the table.

Alternate Version: The player agrees to share the envy bonus with the gambler, then tells him to screw off after he receives the $5,000 in cheques.



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Low Stakes Limit Hold'em

Two old timers who have a mutual dislike for each other are playing a low stakes poker game, when a hand comes up on the river. The board shows two jacks and two kings, and there is an enormous bad beat jackpot. The first player bets, the second player raises, the first player re-raises, and after several more raises, the first player is all-in.

The first player proudly shows his pocket jacks. The other players at the table anxiously turn to the second player, knowing he is a tight player who only plays good hands and a bad beat jackpot is possible.

The second player flashes his cards- pocket kings, so only the dealer sees them, then slides his cards into the muck. He says to the first player: "Bob, I hate your guts so much, I'd rather kill myself then see you win the bad beat jackpot."



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World Series of Poker

A preliminary event at the World Series of Poker is on break, and a young player who is the tournament chip leader overhears the following conversation between two old time road gamblers in the hallway.

"Hey Sam, you still in this tournament?"

"Yeah Paul, I got about a hundred thousand in chips."

"That's about what I have", says Paul. "You wanna swap 20%?"

"Alright, let's do it. Good luck." They shake hands and part ways.

The young player waits until Sam walks far away, then runs up to Paul and says: "Sorry to bother you, sir. I just want to let you know, Sam was playing at my table. He just busted before the break."

Paul laughs and says; "That's alright, I didn't even enter this tournament."

The Poker bad beat jackpot story is somewhat true.

I don't remember all the exact details so don't jump on me if something is off. I have mentioned it before.

This happen in Laughlin at the Riverside casino between 2001 and 2007.

Side notes: Riverside at the time, and possibly still now. Dealers had to pay the poker room manager a fee to deal for the day. IIRC it was $20 to $40

The long time old school poker room manager was stealing from the customers for years. This took place during the popular $10 and $20 multiple re-buy and add-on tournaments. He made himself especially available during the tournaments handling many of the re-buys himself. He wouldn't add all the money back to the prize money from the re-buys. He even played in the tournaments himself sometimes. Local pros had suspected this for a while and a few finally got together and kept track of each buy-in.

Bad beat for everyone:

I believe they went to a $50k starting bad beat jackpot, it was not progressive. IIRC they ended that soon after because it hit multiple times fairly quickly.

The game was 2 to 6 holdem. Many retired old timers played poker there daily as if it was a 9 to 5 job. I played there often in between other plays.

The guy who mucked the Bad Beat hand. His nick name was Honda. I believe it was just his his nick name and it was given to him because of the Honda baseball cap he wore every day. I'm assuming he was 70 to 80 years old. He seemed nice to me and most people seemed to like and respect him. Rumor has it he was fairly wealthy.

Apparently Honda disliked a middle aged player who I believe oftentimes struggled with money. They had some ongoing beef.

I don't know how it all came down or what cards they both held, but both hands were shown but not tabled. Because Honda knew it would help his nemesis he sabotaged the 50k bad beat. He explained exactly what he was doing and why then proceed to muck his hand.
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February 27th, 2016 at 8:58:23 PM permalink
I've heard all those stories, under completely different circumstances. I doubt any of them to be true.
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February 27th, 2016 at 9:05:31 PM permalink
Quote: rsactuary

I've heard all those stories, under completely different circumstances. I doubt any of them to be true.

The Bad beat story is true unless everyone involved was lying. I'm sure there's still employees and players there that were involved.
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February 27th, 2016 at 9:13:19 PM permalink
It happens in Florida all the time/ people hit a jackpot and then leave the casino because they cannot collect it because of child support- they run you for child support when you hit one
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February 27th, 2016 at 9:16:49 PM permalink
So instead of having some CS debt wiped out and you get nothing, they'd rather have the debt not be less and still get nothing. Pretty stupid if you ask me.
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February 27th, 2016 at 9:33:00 PM permalink
Well two fold- once you get a cs hit they will then check for warrants -
Second some people are dead set on never giving their exes anything / I'm sure you have seen the stories about the lengths that people will go to
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February 27th, 2016 at 10:34:16 PM permalink
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Well two fold- once you get a cs hit they will then check for warrants -
Second some people are dead set on never giving their exes anything / I'm sure you have seen the stories about the lengths that people will go to



Exes, gambling debts, taxes, etc....
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February 28th, 2016 at 4:07:09 AM permalink
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Well two fold- once you get a cs hit they will then check for warrants -
Second some people are dead set on never giving their exes anything / I'm sure you have seen the stories about the lengths that people will go to



This happens at Resorts World in NYC all the time.

Players offer cash to anyone willing to cash in their tickets.

One offered me $100 to cash in his ticket. I declined.

An old timer that I knew there, became a 'go to' guy for cashing tickets.

A nice little side business.
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February 28th, 2016 at 4:29:09 AM permalink
Apparently, the state of Ohio seized over $2 million in W-2G jackpots from its 10 or so casinos in 2015 and distributed the money to several thousand children.

Source (Link)

Yeah, I guess this is no urban legend story, Wizardofnothing. It happens countless times a day.
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February 28th, 2016 at 4:43:11 AM permalink
I've heard the Caribbean stud story for years. The other one i hear alot is a blackjack player betting minimum lets another player bet $500 on his hand. He then gets a 20 and tells the bigplayer give me 200 or I'll hit the 20.I suppose the bj story could be true.
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February 28th, 2016 at 7:25:59 AM permalink
Some states you go to jail for non-payment of child support - about a month or so which is enough time to lose employment if you have it so I can see hightailing it out of a casino. In NYC, there is no jail time in general so people try to have others cash their jackpot tickets (the tickets in NYS are also handed out by the machine and are not linked to the person until brought to the cashier.)
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February 28th, 2016 at 7:30:07 AM permalink
Okay, so here is an urban slot machine legend I heard.

Guy just finished his Vegas vacation with the family. They are all patiently waiting in the airport for their return flight and the guys 7 year old kid keeps bothering him he wants to play the slots which in Vegas are located in the terminal of the airport.

After repeatedly denying the kid, the father cant take the haranguing of his kid and figures it cant hurt to get the kid off his back. He hands him a fiver and tells the kid to knock himself out.

The kid sticks five bucks in a slot, hits max spin and wins a million dollar jackpot.

The dad rushes over and practically knocks the kid out the seat and onto the floor, stuffing himself into the machine chair. But of course, the slot company checks the cameras and upon seeing the spin was played by the under-age minor, declares the spin null and void.
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February 28th, 2016 at 8:34:34 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Okay, so here is an urban slot machine legend I heard.

Guy just finished his Vegas vacation with the family. They are all patiently waiting in the airport for their return flight and the guys 7 year old kid keeps bothering him he wants to play the slots which in Vegas are located in the terminal of the airport.

After repeatedly denying the kid, the father cant take the haranguing of his kid and figures it cant hurt to get the kid off his back. He hands him a fiver and tells the kid to knock himself out.

The kid sticks five bucks in a slot, hits max spin and wins a million dollar jackpot.

The dad rushes over and practically knocks the kid out the seat and onto the floor, stuffing himself into the machine chair. But of course, the slot company checks the cameras and upon seeing the spin was played by the under-age minor, declares the spin null and void.



Perhaps based on a bit of truth...

"A young man who hit a big one at Caesars Palace in 1987 was denied his prize because he was underage. Kirk Erickson, a 19-year-old from Royal, Arkansas, lined up the winning combination on a dollar slot machine called "The Million Dollar Baby," but he was not paid the $1,061,812 jackpot for it. Erickson took the matter to court, and in 1989 a District Court judge ruled against him."
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February 28th, 2016 at 8:37:43 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Okay, so here is an urban slot machine legend I heard.

Guy just finished his Vegas vacation with the family. They are all patiently waiting in the airport for their return flight and the guys 7 year old kid keeps bothering him he wants to play the slots which in Vegas are located in the terminal of the airport.

After repeatedly denying the kid, the father cant take the haranguing of his kid and figures it cant hurt to get the kid off his back. He hands him a fiver and tells the kid to knock himself out.

The kid sticks five bucks in a slot, hits max spin and wins a million dollar jackpot.

The dad rushes over and practically knocks the kid out the seat and onto the floor, stuffing himself into the machine chair. But of course, the slot company checks the cameras and upon seeing the spin was played by the under-age minor, declares the spin null and void.


This was, more or less, an episode of Full House.

Also, I'm surprised there's no mention of the slot player who would have won Megabucks/some other large jackpot except that he/she played only two coins instead of three. IIRC, there is one documented instance of this happening; I think the player just got distracted and didn't realize he hadn't played max credits.

Here's another: a VP player is dealt a straight flush, but is so used to the online versions where cards in paying hands are automatically held for you that he can't figure out why the machine isn't doing anything, and when he hits the draw button, all five cards are discarded. Oh, wait...change "straight flush" to "full house," and that's what happened to me three years or so ago at Silverton.
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February 28th, 2016 at 8:41:29 AM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

This was, more or less, an episode of Full House.

Also, I'm surprised there's no mention of the slot player who would have won Megabucks/some other large jackpot except that he/she played only two coins instead of three. IIRC, there is one documented instance of this happening; I think the player just got distracted and didn't realize he hadn't played max credits.



This apparently did happen.

At least once, Megabucks has been hit by someone playing less than full coin. On 14 March 2001, Kirk Tolman, a 22-year-old Utah man, mistakenly played two dollars instead of the Megabucks-requisite three on a machine at the State Line Hotel and Casino in Wendover, a gambling establishment in Nevada just across the Utah state line. The Megabucks symbols lined up on the payline, and he won $10,000 instead of $7.96 million.
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February 28th, 2016 at 8:44:11 AM permalink
That's stupid because the timing would have been different and it would it have hit
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February 28th, 2016 at 8:52:21 AM permalink
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Perhaps based on a bit of truth...

"A young man who hit a big one at Caesars Palace in 1987 was denied his prize because he was underage. Kirk Erickson, a 19-year-old from Royal, Arkansas, lined up the winning combination on a dollar slot machine called "The Million Dollar Baby," but he was not paid the $1,061,812 jackpot for it. Erickson took the matter to court, and in 1989 a District Court judge ruled against him."





A similar story:

Dolores P. Banyai of Manhattan, dropped a quarter in a slot machine at the Atlantic City Hilton on Dec. 7, 1997, pulled the lever and hit the jackpot for $220,208, an official said. But because Ms. Banyai was only 19, she never got to collect the money. Instead, she was charged with underage gambling and paid $307 in fines.
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February 28th, 2016 at 8:56:10 AM permalink
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This was, more or less, an episode of Full House.

.

LOL
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February 28th, 2016 at 9:02:20 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: ThatDonGuy

This was, more or less, an episode of Full House.

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LOL



Spot on, ThatDonGuy.

This was an episode of Full House titled "Luck Be a Lady", which first aired on April 28, 1989.

The family goes to Lake Tahoe, where Danny and Becky will be doing a special episode of Wake Up, San Francisco. Joey gets lucky on a slot machine winning $100,000, but doesn't get the money because a videotape shows D.J. pulling the machine's lever then ducking back to the other side of a red velvet rope dividing the slot machine's from the table where Stephanie and D.J. were while an unsuspecting Joey's back is turned. Joey didn't know it was D.J. or Stephanie who pulled the lever, so of course he's surprised...

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February 28th, 2016 at 9:03:07 AM permalink
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That's stupid because the timing would have been different and it would it have hit

if he picked up 3 coins and the machine locked in the combination once the first coin was dropped.

Back then supposedly that's how it worked on all machines including VP.
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February 29th, 2016 at 8:30:44 AM permalink
The version of the PGP one I've heard is that the nearly-busto player is at a full table and tries to hold up everyone which is both more and less believable at the same time (if it was just me, I'd tell him to jump, but with extra peer pressure it would be a problem...however, getting the message across to everyone is going to be nearly impossible).
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February 29th, 2016 at 10:07:01 AM permalink
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The version of the PGP one I've heard is that the nearly-busto player is at a full table and tries to hold up everyone which is both more and less believable at the same time (if it was just me, I'd tell him to jump, but with extra peer pressure it would be a problem...however, getting the message across to everyone is going to be nearly impossible).

You would have to elaborate more. Your reply/post is welcomed, in advance. I might not understand it either (inside joke), but I will try, I will try hard.
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March 1st, 2016 at 6:29:06 AM permalink
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So instead of having some CS debt wiped out and you get nothing, they'd rather have the debt not be less and still get nothing. Pretty stupid if you ask me.



I remember in my younger days - post divorce - my attorney (Young kids, just starting out - both of us) told me not to pay my ex a penny until the judge ordered it.

Fast forward - the child support was calculated to start the day she left the residence - so from day one of the actual decree, I was behind thousands.

When you divorce, some are amicable, and some are not. A lot of emotions, and when you throw in an ex-spouse that you no longer trust to be responsible with money, it can be tough to accept that those funds are for your kids and not for her to take on weekend trips with the new boyfriend(s).

For me, it was almost like I wanted to starve her into submission. Foolish, angry thoughts with no basis in reality and certainly not in my kids best interest. Toss in a young attorney who didn't know squat about asking for receipts, or other ways of ensuring accountability, it made a bad situation worse.

And yes, that behavior is stupid. But, so is getting married to a smoking hot chick who never graduated high school and getting her pregnant on an E-3's salary.

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March 7th, 2016 at 8:26:11 AM permalink
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You would have to elaborate more. Your reply/post is welcomed, in advance. I might not understand it either (inside joke), but I will try, I will try hard.
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???

- The version of the pai gow poker story I heard was that it was a full table with the 7csf guy being the only one not playing the bonus, and he tries to get a guarantee from all the other players.

- I find this to be less believable in that getting everyone else's attention to explain the situation at the table is next to impossible

- I find it more believable in that, if I was the only other player at the table and someone tried to pull this, I would tell him to f off, but if there were other players to exert peer pressure, I would probably agree to pay and hope he got hit by a bus later
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March 7th, 2016 at 8:47:13 AM permalink
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- I find it more believable in that, if I was the only other player at the table and someone tried to pull this, I would tell him to f off, but if there were other players to exert peer pressure, I would probably agree to pay and push him in front of a bus later



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March 8th, 2016 at 9:14:18 AM permalink
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???

- The version of the pai gow poker story I heard was that it was a full table with the 7csf guy being the only one not playing the bonus, and he tries to get a guarantee from all the other players.

- I find this to be less believable in that getting everyone else's attention to explain the situation at the table is next to impossible

- I find it more believable in that, if I was the only other player at the table and someone tried to pull this, I would tell him to f off, but if there were other players to exert peer pressure, I would probably agree to pay and hope he got hit by a bus later



I guess the optimal solution could be to offer him $100 or so. Being broke, he should take it.

Or, you could just agree and then stiff him.
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March 8th, 2016 at 1:41:19 PM permalink
Tell the guy you'll pay him. Then of course, don't. Easy.
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March 8th, 2016 at 1:55:20 PM permalink
Of course, it's not even an enforceable as it was made under duress- easy dismissal
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March 8th, 2016 at 3:24:52 PM permalink
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- The version of the pai gow poker story I heard was that it was a full table with the 7csf guy being the only one not playing the bonus, and he tries to get a guarantee from all the other players.

- I find this to be less believable in that getting everyone else's attention to explain the situation at the table is next to impossible

- I find it more believable in that, if I was the only other player at the table and someone tried to pull this, I would tell him to f off, but if there were other players to exert peer pressure, I would probably agree to pay and hope he got hit by a bus later



I have heard lately in the last several places I played PGP that the house will not allow the hand to be mucked without being exposed. Some version of, "yeah, maybe 20 years ago, but NOW, if we know someone has an envy pay (which they would if the player tries to hold the others up for a cut) we WILL expose and pay the envy bonus." So I think if that ever happened, it would not be mucked, because the envy pay is part of the stated odds (published with the jurisdiction) and must be paid.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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March 8th, 2016 at 4:01:48 PM permalink
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I have heard lately in the last several places I played PGP that the house will not allow the hand to be mucked without being exposed. Some version of, "yeah, maybe 20 years ago, but NOW, if we know someone has an envy pay (which they would if the player tries to hold the others up for a cut) we WILL expose and pay the envy bonus." So I think if that ever happened, it would not be mucked, because the envy pay is part of the stated odds (published with the jurisdiction) and must be paid.



Kudos to any casino who does that. I would think that most casinos would jump at the chance to not pay that out, and they'd be justified. A mucked hand is dead.
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March 8th, 2016 at 4:45:34 PM permalink
First off from my knowledge all pai gow games have scannable shufflers which are always now checked when the bonus is hit so I would assume they could go back to those- I've had them go back and look at the computer on missed hands recently ,
As far as not being able to muck. I can confirm that this is the case now at Foxwoods
Which by the way drives me in sane that I am forced to set my second hand house way when playing tiles yet in pai gow poker I can set both
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March 8th, 2016 at 4:58:57 PM permalink
Urban legend on this story is that if the other players don't pay him, he drops the cards on the floor and the casino won't pay since they left the table.
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March 8th, 2016 at 5:19:57 PM permalink
This guy had the seven card straight flush and no one would give him extra money so this is what he did

http://i.imgur.com/MvpTQMa.jpg
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March 8th, 2016 at 6:06:36 PM permalink
I have played holdem in places where as long as you were dealt in the hand(even if you all ready folded) you can ask to see a called hand. When someone does this sometimes I'll purposely bury or fling my cards into the muck.

They are taking advantage of a rule specifically made to detect cheating. Some poker rooms have made it so that you specifically have to claim you suspect someone is cheating.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 8th, 2016 at 7:21:44 PM permalink
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This guy had the seven card straight flush and no one would give him extra money so this is what he did

http://i.imgur.com/MvpTQMa.jpg



He tore up what looks to be a pai gow?
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March 8th, 2016 at 9:25:19 PM permalink
There's the immortal story about the guy who supposedly paid a hooker with a tournament chip or chips. (For non-poker players: Tournament chips are plastic, clearly different than any other type of chip, and have absolutely no cash value whatsoever outside of a tournament table - while likely having some astronomical number on them as you get late in a tournament near the final table. And if there's really any working girl in Las Vegas who doesn't know this, she's made a p*ss poor effort of reading her basic entry level job description.)

Like the bad beat jackpot story, I've heard it in several slightly different versions with very specific individuals said to be involved that are described as having occurred in different years and in different casinos, from Riverside in Laughlin to the Orleans on West Tropicana in Las Vegas. I think I've probably heard the hooker/chip story most often in connection with Planet Hollywood.

Quote: AxelWolf

They are taking advantage of a rule specifically made to detect cheating. Some poker rooms have made it so that you specifically have to claim you suspect someone is cheating.

Yes. This. And a good idea to add the extra bit to discourage numbskull abuse. For example Harrah's Las Vegas is one of them that several years ago started requiring someone invoking the "I Want To See The Hand" rule to first have the dealer call the floor and explain to the manager exactly why they're accusing the player of cheating. People hear of the rule, start abusing it with no clue what it is actually supposed to be about, start feeling entitled to do it, some clueless dealers believe whatever the regular nit who tips them believes, and it gets way out of control in no time.
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March 8th, 2016 at 10:57:48 PM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead

There's the immortal story about the guy who supposedly paid a hooker with a tournament chip or chips. (For non-poker players: Tournament chips are plastic, clearly different than any other type of chip, and have absolutely no cash value whatsoever outside of a tournament table - while likely having some astronomical number on them as you get late in a tournament near the final table. And if there's really any working girl in Las Vegas who doesn't know this, she's made a p*ss poor effort of reading her basic entry level job description.)

Like the bad beat jackpot story, I've heard it in several slightly different versions with very specific individuals said to be involved that are described as having occurred in different years and in different casinos, from Riverside in Laughlin to the Orleans on West Tropicana in Las Vegas. I think I've probably heard the hooker/chip story most often in connection with Planet Hollywood.

Yes. This. And a good idea to add the extra bit to discourage numbskull abuse. For example Harrah's Las Vegas is one of them that several years ago started requiring someone invoking the "I Want To See The Hand" rule to first have the dealer call the floor and explain to the manager exactly why they're accusing the player of cheating. People hear of the rule, start abusing it with no clue what it is actually supposed to be about, start feeling entitled to do it, some clueless dealers believe whatever the regular nit who tips them believes, and it gets way out of control in no time.

The paying hookers/strippers with fake chips is almost certainly true. There were/are some $500 & $100 chips being sold that look like they are from the Luxor, they say pyramid. They look very real as if they are from the Luxor.

I have some $500 pyramid chips in my collection. So I took note when I heard this. IIRC there's an article about this very subject.

Apparently a few guys would hang out near the Luxor with some story, not sure what story they used, but i can imagine it was something like this...I'm not 21, I got tossed out, I have a plane to catch, please help i'm desperate!!

They would ask people to cash them, however they wanted some low amount of earnest money. Obviously anything over $5 would cover the chip cost. Someone being offered half of 2k would probably be willing to give up $200 in earnest money. Even better for the conman, find someone who's a greedy thief themselves who plans on keeping all the money for themselves.

Honestly If I was young and didn't know any better and someone had what I thought were legitimate chip with the I'm not 21 story. If they offered me 50% of 3k and I only had to give up $200 I would probably jump on it.

There's been legitimate chip cashing opportunity's so it's not far fetched.

$100 pyramid chip.
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March 8th, 2016 at 11:09:27 PM permalink
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Yes. This. And a good idea to add the extra bit to discourage numbskull abuse. For example Harrah's Las Vegas is one of them that several years ago started requiring someone invoking the "I Want To See The Hand" rule to first have the dealer call the floor and explain to the manager exactly why they're accusing the player of cheating. People hear of the rule, start abusing it with no clue what it is actually supposed to be about, start feeling entitled to do it, some clueless dealers believe whatever the regular nit who tips them believes, and it gets way out of control in no time.

not to get off track, but if someone bets and gets called do you think the caller should have to show if the bettor asks? Personally I do, but that's just because I want to see what they are willing to call me with. Especially when they have something like top pair calling a big bet. Different houses have different rules on this. I think the Rio recently changed to NO?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 8th, 2016 at 11:59:57 PM permalink
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not to get off track, but if someone bets and gets called do you think the caller should have to show if the bettor asks? Personally I do, but that's just because I want to see what they are willing to call me with. Especially when they have something like top pair calling a big bet. Different houses have different rules on this. I think the Rio recently changed to NO?

No, I'm not with you on that. The bettor making the last 'aggressive action' that was being called yes, they need to table their hand. The caller, not necessarily, not if they're surrendering their hand and the pot. But be careful what you wish for. People do make a lot of mistakes reading the board, and until the cards have been surrendered and the hand has been formally 'killed' by the dealer they could still get a surprise win of the pot that was about to be pushed to you due to their mistaken belief of what they thought they and/or you really had with the final board on the river. Or, it could be a chopped (split or tied) pot that they thought they'd lost because they didn't see that something was counterfeited by the board that looked like a 'bigger' hand when the bettor confidently tabled it.

EDIT to add: Of course, this assumes it is a cash game. In a tournament you don't have the option of surrendering a pot if you are not facing a decision on any further betting action. To prevent the form of collusion known as "chip dumping" and because the outcome potentially affects the position of everyone else still in the tourney.

I also think it gets douchey even in a cash game if players are 'all-in' on an earlier betting round for anyone to delay tabling their hand while the dealer runs out the rest of the board.
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March 10th, 2016 at 7:59:07 AM permalink
I haven't had that happen because i'm fairly certain I have the best hand, I wouldn't bother asking someone I felt could make that mistake .I have been in a situation where a player tosses his hand face down and someone sitting next to them mentions they have xyz and the cards get turned over and I lose the pot. I have even seen hands get pulled out of the muck and get paid.
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I heard a woman won a small drawing at a casino close to the border. She didn't have ID at the time, she had 24 hours to come back with ID and collect. When she came back it showed her passport had expired so she was deported back to Mexico. I think I do believe this one to be true.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 12th, 2016 at 9:38:16 PM permalink
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I heard a woman won a small drawing at a casino close to the border. She didn't have ID at the time, she had 24 hours to come back with ID and collect. When she came back it showed her passport had expired so she was deported back to Mexico. I think I do believe this one to be true.



File this under "So you think YOU got a bad beat..."
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March 27th, 2016 at 11:14:22 PM permalink
In the 90's at Foxwoods, before the Pai Gow Poker side-bets started to appear,

ME: 8-8-8-8-2/5-5
Dealer: Royal in clubs/A-A Natural

The 2nd best hand I ever got dealt, and pounded.
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March 16th, 2017 at 8:36:40 AM permalink
We were playing Blackjack late one evening at the Hilton, when it was still the Hilton. Guy walks up, tall guy with a large build, wearing a baseball cap. Drops a beer in the cup holder and sits down. Buys in and we all resume playing. Floor manager takes notice and ask him for his ID. Without hesitation he goes to his wallet and hands it over, saying "I just turned 21 an hour ago." Floor manager looks at his ID, then at her watch, then says "Yes you did, in Florida, but in Nevada you're still 20 for another 45 minutes." She reached across the table and picked up his beer. They then reversed out his buy in and walked him to the cage.
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March 16th, 2017 at 9:39:26 AM permalink
I was told this as if it happened to the person telling it, but then read almost the same story in a gambling publication a few years later as occurring to someone else. I have no idea if it ever happened to anyone, but it's a cool story.

BJ pro plays in a small Indian casino in a rural area. Wins $3500 before he starts drawing intense heat. When he goes to cash out, they insist on ID, and after getting it they slow to a crawl. They insist a manager has to sign off on it and they can't find him. Twenty minutes or so goes by and he gets paid. He walks out to the parking lot and where his car was parked is a now vacant spot with still wet blue paint and a newly installed handicap parking only sign. It cost him all or most of his winnings to get his car back.
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March 16th, 2017 at 10:00:25 AM permalink
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BJ pro plays in a small Indian casino in a rural area. Wins $3500 before he starts drawing intense heat. When he goes to cash out, they insist on ID, and after getting it they slow to a crawl. They insist a manager has to sign off on it and they can't find him. Twenty minutes or so goes by and he gets paid. He walks out to the parking lot and where his car was parked is a now vacant spot with still wet blue paint and a newly installed handicap parking only sign. It cost him all or most of his winnings to get his car back.



If someone told me that story, I'd call BS immediately.

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