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RoyalBJ
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December 28th, 2015 at 9:51:01 AM permalink
There are two Max bets. One of the Max pays 55 to 1 if the highest card(s) in a Tie is one of 0,1,2,3,4,5, otherwise the bet loses. It seems easy to hit one of the 6 numbers. This one looks better than the 8 to 1 Tie bet. Many players are betting and screaming for a tie. The other Max pays 10 to 1 (when the highest card(s) is 6,7,8,9).

Here is the rack card.

Lucky Tie Mas Rack Card

I used tinypic.com to get the URL. Don;t know how to get rid of the surrounding stuff. May be someone could guide me.
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December 28th, 2015 at 10:02:56 AM permalink
Quote: RoyalBJ

There are two Max bets. One of the Max pays 55 to 1 if the highest card(s) in a Tie is one of 0,1,2,3,4,5, otherwise the bet loses. It seems easy to hit one of the 6 numbers. This one looks better than the 8 to 1 Tie bet. Many players are betting and screaming for a tie. The other Max pays 10 to 1 (when the highest card(s) is 6,7,8,9).

Here is the rack card.

Lucky Tie Mas Rack Card

I used tinypic.com to get the URL. Don;t know how to get rid of the surrounding stuff. May be someone could guide me.



Quote me to see what I did.

I started with a bracket, then IMG= , then took (copy there, paste here) the last link from your tinypic pic "direct layout", then a close bracket.

If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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December 28th, 2015 at 12:09:47 PM permalink
I just analyzed this last week:

http://apheat.net/2015/12/21/card-counting-the-tie-max-baccarat-side-bets/

The 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Tie has house edge 16.455% (8 decks, pays 55-to-1).

The 6, 7, 8, 9 Tie has house edge 11.739% (8 decks, pays 10-to-1).
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December 28th, 2015 at 7:43:12 PM permalink
Marking to come back to later.
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December 28th, 2015 at 9:47:21 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

Marking to come back to later.

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RoyalBJ
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January 3rd, 2016 at 9:25:38 PM permalink
I have never seen a Baccarat side bet so popular!!! The participation rate is always over 60% (3 out of 5), often 100%. Perhaps because of the high payout AND it is perceived countable - as discussed here. It's been popular for over one month by now.
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January 4th, 2016 at 2:02:12 AM permalink
Quote: RoyalBJ

I have never seen a Baccarat side bet so popular!!! The participation rate is always over 60% (3 out of 5), often 100%. Perhaps because of the high payout AND it is perceived countable - as discussed here. It's been popular for over one month by now.


It is nice to hear this game is doing well.
The game developer is a nice guy (He show me this game at G2E 2015).
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January 8th, 2016 at 5:29:49 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

The 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Tie has house edge 16.455% (8 decks, pays 55-to-1).

The 6, 7, 8, 9 Tie has house edge 11.739% (8 decks, pays 10-to-1).



I concur.
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January 9th, 2016 at 3:06:57 PM permalink
Very nice treatment at A.P. Heat, Eliot.

Here is my own page on the game, which covers only the house edge: Lucky Max. As always, I welcome comments, questions, and corrections.
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teliot
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January 9th, 2016 at 4:19:01 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Very nice treatment at A.P. Heat, Eliot.

Thanks Mike! I was a bit hesitant to write that article, because I was directly approached by the game inventor. I think he believed I would find nothing much there. So did I. Oops!

Thanks for your double check and your page on it.
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RoyalBJ
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January 14th, 2016 at 5:31:13 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

Thanks Mike! I was a bit hesitant to write that article, because I was directly approached by the game inventor. I think he believed I would find nothing much there. So did I. Oops!

Thanks for your double check and your page on it.

Many players play because a bet is perceived countable - including panda8, even blackjack, and others. May be your friend (or ex friend now) wants you to say it's countable. On the other hand, he may not be too smart.
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January 14th, 2016 at 6:04:52 PM permalink
Quote: RoyalBJ

Many players play because a bet is perceived countable - including panda8, even blackjack, and others. May be your friend (or ex friend now) wants you to say it's countable. On the other hand, he may not be too smart.

It is not just "perceived countable" as you said in a previous post in this thread, it is highly countable, crushably so. It has a high DI, better than just about any blackjack game you'll find. The only problem is the $25 maximum. What's your point? Do you think I'm making this stuff up?
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January 14th, 2016 at 7:34:11 PM permalink
Quote: RoyalBJ

...On the other hand, he may not be too smart.


I will vouch for the inventor as being quite smart & a friend of mine...he is also a Member here, so perhaps we could avoid openly questioning a Member's intellect.
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February 4th, 2016 at 6:50:32 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

Thanks Mike! I was a bit hesitant to write that article, because I was directly approached by the game inventor. I think he believed I would find nothing much there. So did I. Oops!

Mike and Eliot, thanks for the articles.

Just wanted to clarify that I had no preconceived notion when I approached Eliot. I had no expectation whatsoever, so no Oops from me. A math is a math is a math, and I am sure you do your work utmost professionally.

The game has been a great success at Gold Coast in the past 10 weeks. G.C. is adding one more table and more spreading is in the works. Check it out, RoyalBJ.
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February 5th, 2016 at 7:20:51 AM permalink
Congratulations!!!
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February 5th, 2016 at 7:41:53 AM permalink
Quote: etablegames

Mike and Eliot, thanks for the articles.

Just wanted to clarify that I had no preconceived notion when I approached Eliot. I had no expectation whatsoever, so no Oops from me. A math is a math is a math, and I am sure you do your work utmost professionally.

The game has been a great success at Gold Coast in the past 10 weeks. G.C. is adding one more table and more spreading is in the works. Check it out, RoyalBJ.

It's always nice to hear that a game is a success. I hope you will let management at the Gold Coast know that the game can be counted (maybe you already have). Game developers owe it to their clients to be completely honest about known issues.
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February 5th, 2016 at 4:45:01 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

It's always nice to hear that a game is a success. I hope you will let management at the Gold Coast know that the game can be counted (maybe you already have). Game developers owe it to their clients to be completely honest about known issues.



Thank you. My experience might have been different from yours. The Table Games executives I have met are all experienced, competent, seasoned and yet conservative and very cautious professionals. I think they are very smart and know the business very well. Vulnerability was the first thing they asked about. (We did have a privileged report on the subject.) The Max bets were tightly monitored and tracked every hand for 10 weeks' operation, 24 hour day straight before they took the next move.

BTW the casino also has many Panda 8, Dragon 7 tables; the bosses are fully aware of your fine countability articles on these bets.
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February 12th, 2016 at 4:38:09 PM permalink
Quote: MrCasinoGames

It is nice to hear this game is doing well.
The game developer is a nice guy (He show me this game at G2E 2015).

Thank you, MrCasinoGames. Hope this is a beautiful beginning of a great journey.
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February 13th, 2016 at 1:30:41 AM permalink
Quote: etablegames

Thank you, MrCasinoGames. Hope this is a beautiful beginning of a great journey.



Yes etablegames, I think your game have a great chance.
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May 25th, 2016 at 7:53:13 AM permalink
Casino M8trix in San Jose, CA has a "Low Tie Max" side bet (pays 50 to 1) now. It is on every baccarat table at M8trix. I think it's the same game. This side bet has generated a lot of actions. If it is, congratulations to etablegames.
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July 2nd, 2016 at 7:43:53 PM permalink
I played tie max at the Orleans (Vegas) this weekend. There are 3 tables having it Very popular to the players. I noticed dealers were getting more tokes.

Congrats to the developer.
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