Can Roulette Be Beaten?
Quote: OnceDear
Does EB have a useful or successful roulette beating method? : No. Of course not.
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What does your opinion have to do with reality. This reminds me of the days when inventors mostly didn't know what they were doing so instead of having an inquisitive mind and asking questions they just came to erroneous conclusions that because they couldn't figure it out it couldn't be done. This is why it took progress so long to take over because people had that attitude. Once they started realizing that the more questions they asked and the more curious they were the more they would discover. Somebody told you, somebody who doesn't know, that roulette cannot be beat and you believe them. Don't try and force your shortcomings on me.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolf
"EB had an opportunity to prove his claims but was (of course) unable to do so."
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It's on a need to know basis, and the only entity that needs to know is the casino because they pay me. For what possible reason would you need to know. You can't think of one.
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yadda yadda yadda.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDear
Does EB have a useful or successful roulette beating method? : No. Of course not.
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What does your opinion have to do with reality. This reminds me of the days when inventors mostly didn't know what they were doing so instead of having an inquisitive mind and asking questions they just came to erroneous conclusions that because they couldn't figure it out it couldn't be done. This is why it took progress so long to take over because people had that attitude. Once they started realizing that the more questions they asked and the more curious they were the more they would discover. Somebody told you, somebody who doesn't know, that roulette cannot be beat and you believe them. Don't try and force your shortcomings on me.
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And some more yadda yadda yadda.
Quote: EvenBob
It's on a need to know basis, and the only entity that needs to know is the casino because they pay me. For what possible reason would you need to know. You can't think of one.
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Oh, good, so we're done with this thread, then? You're not gonna make any more posts here? After all, you've admitted that you're done talking about it and that you're not going to answer any more questions about your roulette system. You'd be okay with the mods locking this thread, right? I'm sure everyone here would be okay with that. Maybe we should take a vote....
EB says he can beat roulette. The response should be SO WHAT!!!!!
If you wish to marginalize EB, in the future any claims he might make should be met with this response:
SO WHAT!!!!
It will all end at that point.
tuttigym
Quote: TigerWu
Oh, good, so we're done with this thread, then? You're not gonna make any more posts here?
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Speaking of that, using the AI program to improve my game is not as easy as I thought. I always tell people if you think you are so smart ask me questions about roulette and they never do because they don't know enough about it to ask a good questions. I'm in the same boat with AI, I do not know the right questions to ask and it's slow going. It's exactly what inventors have been up against forever, especially in the past. They couldn't make much progress because they had no idea what questions to ask but the more they learned the more questions they had. The worst thing they could do is assume they couldn't do something because that stopped them in their tracks.
People here should be telling me, instead of Bob Bob Bob, you fool, everybody knows you can't be roulette. What they should be saying is, I can't do that Bob, how do you do it. But that's not what happens because people believe what they're told and if somebody else told them that it can't be beat then it must be true. The only reason I beat it was I discovered it and did it for almost 2 years before anybody told me I can't be doing that but by then it was too late. I was already doing it.
Quote: tuttigymThis thread is like reading a conversation amongst 10 year olds. The back and forth is beyond childish.
EB says he can beat roulette. The response should be SO WHAT!!!!!
If you wish to marginalize EB, in the future any claims he might make should be met with this response:
SO WHAT!!!!
It will all end at that point.
tuttigym
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It SHOULD end when the mods ban his endless trolling threads and posts. He is clearly violating the spirit of the forum, if he hasn't broken the rules explicitly.
Quote: EvenBobWhat they should be saying is, I can't do that Bob, how do you do it.
They have. You won't in the simplest terms.
SO WHAT!!!!!
tuttigym
Quote: darkoz
There is a post in I believe this very thread where EB says he insults people just thinly enough to avoid suspension. He even relishes that he drove BBB batty because she couldn't suspend him even though he was hurling insulting posts due to his "method".
This entire thread is an insult to the forum and by extension the Wizard himself. It's only purpose is to tick off the regulars which EB has stated is his goal.
So, what do you call it when a forum member purposely antagonizes an entire group?
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I call it social media. Paigowdan used to do it. Alan Mendelson also. Some claim that MDawg does it. Some claim that you antagonized an entire group when you posted about the practice of multi-carding. On sports sites, fans of one team will routinely antagonize fans of other teams.
And I don't care. I try not to judge people by the content of what they post, and instead evaluate whether any rules are being broken. But I also recognize that some fraction of people on almost any social media site enjoy combative arguments and belittling the people who have opposing viewpoints. That will never change, because it's human nature.
The Wizard and I have discussed whether to close this thread to stop people from posting personal insults -because this thread has become both a sewer and a nuisance. But Wizard decided that we should keep it open and simply play Bop-A-Mole with all of you guys who find sport in sticking swords into EB. Well, I try to treat all the regulars as if you are my friends or at least potential friends in the future. But I'm currently stretched pretty thin (Wiz and Dieter are absent for a bit of a stretch) and I'm not in a mood to tolerate this behavior. So, I'm warning everybody: I intend to be fair but to start the suspensions if this keeps going on.
I've considered changing the name of this thread to Anal Leakage to reflect the content that is being posted and to discourage further 'leakage'. But instead I'll continue to appeal to everyone's intelligence and better nature.
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I've considered changing the name of this thread to Anal Leakage to reflect the content that is being posted and to discourage further 'leakage'.
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LOL...oh, man, please do that...it would be very appropriate.
Quote: EvenBobIn 2004 when I accidentally discovered that I could beat roulette it was almost two full years of me playing with it everyday before I finally joined a gambling forum. And I did that because I was so naive I thought that they would give me pointers on how to improve myself. To my amazement and dismay all they did from the very first post I made was call me names, call me a liar, a con man, an idiot, there are people on this forum who were there and remember that. There are people here who treated me the worst on the other forum. I'm much more open about talking about it now than I was then. I was there for over 4 years and it was not moderated so people could say to me whatever they felt like and it was amazing the things people said to me and I don't think I've ever gotten past that. I still have a lot of resentment from those days so when people scream PROOF PROOF PROOF at me now, that's about as likely to happen as one of my cats learning the Gettysburg Address. I would not provide the proof just out of spite because I don't have to. If you want to know how it works, I tell you you and can try it but nobody will.
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Cool story, bro.
"People kept calling me a liar so when I finally was able to stick it to them with hard evidence I decided to REALLY stick it to them by refusing to show the evidence so they would still believe I was lying"...
Said no one who actually had the evidence ever in the history of the universe.
Quote: darkozLoL.
"People kept calling me a liar so when I finally was able to stick it to them with hard evidence I decided to REALLY stick it to them by refusing to show the evidence so they would still believe I was lying"...
Said no one who actually had the evidence ever in the history of the universe.
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You wouldn't know his evidence, it goes to another school in Canada.
Quote: darkoz
Said no one who actually had the evidence ever in the history of the universe.
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I have it and I know at least two others who do but they're more closed mouth than I am. And way harder to get along with.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkoz
Said no one who actually had the evidence ever in the history of the universe.
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I have it and I know at least two others who do but they're more closed mouth than I am. And way harder to get along with.
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Are these "two others" your astrologer and aromatherapist?
Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBobQuote: darkoz
Said no one who actually had the evidence ever in the history of the universe.
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I have it and I know at least two others who do but they're more closed mouth than I am. And way harder to get along with.
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Are these "two others" your astrologer and aromatherapist?
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They are on other forums, there's a couple people here who know who they are. They get just as much flack as I do. And one of them teaches how to do it and he still gets flack.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBobIn 2004 when I accidentally discovered that I could beat roulette it was almost two full years of me playing with it everyday before I finally joined a gambling forum. And I did that because I was so naive I thought that they would give me pointers on how to improve myself. To my amazement and dismay all they did from the very first post I made was call me names, call me a liar, a con man, an idiot, there are people on this forum who were there and remember that. There are people here who treated me the worst on the other forum. I'm much more open about talking about it now than I was then. I was there for over 4 years and it was not moderated so people could say to me whatever they felt like and it was amazing the things people said to me and I don't think I've ever gotten past that. I still have a lot of resentment from those days so when people scream PROOF PROOF PROOF at me now, that's about as likely to happen as one of my cats learning the Gettysburg Address. I would not provide the proof just out of spite because I don't have to. If you want to know how it works, I tell you you and can try it but nobody will.
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Cool story, bro.
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It's not just a story, it's the truth. There is a couple people here who've been here from the beginning and know exactly what I'm talking about but they won't speak up. Unless they do.
"Not this method!"
You're the one that came back to WOV crowing about how you were going to prove your claims to Mike or whatever.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolf
"EB had an opportunity to prove his claims but was (of course) unable to do so."
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It's on a need to know basis, and the only entity that needs to know is the casino because they pay me. For what possible reason would you need to know. You can't think of one.
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You knew Damn well you couldn't even come close to an 80% hit rate.
So, you claimed you were switching up your system(NOT a method) to speed up the process. That was just a lame attempt to drastically lower hit rate expectations. It was now down to some laughable hit rate/percentage that could easily be achieved by luck/variance, IIRC a 56% hit rate. YOU FAILED to even achieve that. You had some lame excuse why you couldn't complete the challenge... Mike didn't have the same monitor set up, or some nonsense. Any and all of your lame excuses were easily solvable.
IIRC I predicted you would sabotage the challenge somehow, others predicted similar things.
You can't provide what you don't have.Quote: EvenBob. I still have a lot of resentment from those days so when people scream PROOF PROOF PROOF at me now, that's about as likely to happen as one of my cats learning the Gettysburg Address. I would not provide the proof just out of spite because I don't have to. If you want to know how it works, I tell you you and can try it but nobody will.
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You shot your load with Mike and you are now playing it off as spite.
Quote: AxelWolfYou're the one that came back to WOV crowing about how you were going to prove your claims to Mike or whatever.
You knew Damn well you couldn't even come close to an 80% hit rate.
Don't go into business as a mind reader you'll starve to death. You have no idea what I can do and what I can't do all you do is guess and badly guess at that.
Quote: AxelWolfYou can't provide what you don't have.
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This is true, but I can provide what I do have and I refuse. You don't need to see it, there's absolutely no reason you can name for me to show it to you. Go ahead, try and think of a reason.
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It's never too late to build a legacy.
Quote: rainmanyadda yadda yadda and the post count goes up two more.
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Why are you so obsessed with postcounts, believe me you're the only one here that is. Ever notice that your posts about it are totally ignored? In fact I wish they would take that feature away I don't need to know how many posts everybody else has made.
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It's never too late to build a legacy.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: rainmanyadda yadda yadda and the post count goes up two more.
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Why are you so obsessed with postcounts, believe me you're the only one here that is. Ever notice that your posts about it are totally ignored? In fact I wish they would take that feature away I don't need to know how many posts everybody else has made.
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I'm not, I'm only obsessed with your post count.
I don't believe you. To believe you would be illogical as it is not possible for you to know of all the other
posters obsessions.
And finally again I am unable to believe you as it wouldn't be logical or prudent to believe you due to
your posts about beating roulette.
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I'm not, I'm only obsessed with your post counts.
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Thanks. I'm flattered..
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I'm not, I'm only obsessed with your post counts.
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Thanks. I'm flattered..
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You should be.
I don't need to be a mind reader to know you can't do the impossible. I know you can't provide proof that you can beat roulette because that proof doesn't exist.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfYou're the one that came back to WOV crowing about how you were going to prove your claims to Mike or whatever.
You knew Damn well you couldn't even come close to an 80% hit rate.
Don't go into business as a mind reader you'll starve to death. You have no idea what I can do and what I can't do all you do is guess and badly guess at that.
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I know you FAILED your challenge miserably.
You may have had a few suckers on the hook, people who wanted to believe there was some magical roulette system Bob actually had. "Give Bob a chance".
Your failed challenge proved the skeptics, and non-believers right. You turned the hopefuls into nonbelievers.
You're left with nothing but delusional system players. You are a simple system player who pretends to have a method.
Quote: AxelWolfI don't need to be a mind reader to know you can't do the impossible. I know you can't provide proof that you can beat roulette because that proof doesn't exist.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfYou're the one that came back to WOV crowing about how you were going to prove your claims to Mike or whatever.
You knew Damn well you couldn't even come close to an 80% hit rate.
Don't go into business as a mind reader you'll starve to death. You have no idea what I can do and what I can't do all you do is guess and badly guess at that.
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I know you FAILED your challenge miserably.
You may have had a few suckers on the hook, people who wanted to believe there was some magical roulette system Bob actually had. "Give Bob a chance".
Your failed challenge proved the skeptics, and non-believers right. You turned the hopefuls into nonbelievers.
You're left with nothing but delusional system players. You are a simple system player who pretends to have a method.
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Do you think anyone really believed him? I hadn't considered that.
Did you see this thread? https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/38402-the-strongest-baccarat-system-i-could-make/Quote: billryanQuote: AxelWolfI don't need to be a mind reader to know you can't do the impossible. I know you can't provide proof that you can beat roulette because that proof doesn't exist.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfYou're the one that came back to WOV crowing about how you were going to prove your claims to Mike or whatever.
You knew Damn well you couldn't even come close to an 80% hit rate.
Don't go into business as a mind reader you'll starve to death. You have no idea what I can do and what I can't do all you do is guess and badly guess at that.
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I know you FAILED your challenge miserably.
You may have had a few suckers on the hook, people who wanted to believe there was some magical roulette system Bob actually had. "Give Bob a chance".
Your failed challenge proved the skeptics, and non-believers right. You turned the hopefuls into nonbelievers.
You're left with nothing but delusional system players. You are a simple system player who pretends to have a method.
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Do you think anyone really believed him? I hadn't considered that.
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This guy is probably doing something similar to what Bob does(Bob will always claim his system is different no matter what) At least this guy can clearly show how his system operates.
This guy seems to admit systems can't beat the HA, but he believes that his system will work/make a profit. I think someone like this might actually think there's a possibility Bob is on to something. I watched the guy's video and I can see how someone could easily be taken in by his video and want to try it. He has done a fairly good job, I'm impressed.
This guy would probably laugh at Bob's claims given the fact that Bob hasn't ever been able to give actual math, logic, or examples of how his system operates.
Quote: AxelWolfI don't need to be a mind reader to know you can't do the impossible.
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What you think you know and what you really know don't amount to diddly. You think if you keep saying the same thing over and over that it's going to be true but that's not how it works. You don't have an educated opinion because you don't have enough information. The only way you will know for sure is if you try it yourself but you never will because you'll never give it the time. Therefore your opinion on what I do is not only worthless, it's less than worthless if that's possible because it's based on nothing except whatever teeny tiny bit of information you think you have. I've played thousands of sessions of roulette since 2004, I've thrown away boxes full of notebooks where I wrote my sessions. This is how you learn how to beat roulette, nose to the grindstone due diligence and you will come to understand how the game works. That's why I won two units tonight when I played, I understood what was going on.
Quote: EvenBobWhat you think you know and what you really know don't amount to diddly. You think if you keep saying the same thing over and over that it's going to be true but that's not how it works. You don't have an educated opinion because you don't have enough information. The only way you will know for sure is if you try it yourself but you never will because you'll never give it the time. Therefore your opinion on what I do is not only worthless, it's less than worthless if that's possible because it's based on nothing except whatever teeny tiny bit of information you think you have. I've played thousands of sessions of roulette since 2004, I've thrown away boxes full of notebooks where I wrote my sessions. This is how you learn how to beat roulette, nose to the grindstone due diligence and you will come to understand how the game works. That's why I won two units tonight when I played, I understood what was going on.
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blah blah blah blah You have no idea what you're talking about. Your posts are lies.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBobWhat you think you know and what you really know don't amount to diddly. You think if you keep saying the same thing over and over that it's going to be true but that's not how it works. You don't have an educated opinion because you don't have enough information. The only way you will know for sure is if you try it yourself but you never will because you'll never give it the time. Therefore your opinion on what I do is not only worthless, it's less than worthless if that's possible because it's based on nothing except whatever teeny tiny bit of information you think you have. I've played thousands of sessions of roulette since 2004, I've thrown away boxes full of notebooks where I wrote my sessions. This is how you learn how to beat roulette, nose to the grindstone due diligence and you will come to understand how the game works. That's why I won two units tonight when I played, I understood what was going on.
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blah blah blah blah You have no idea what you're talking about. Your posts are lies.
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This reminds me of the doctor in the late 19th century who discovered that if he washed his hands in between surgeries the patient did far better. When he told his fellow doctors they thought he was insane and because he kept telling them they eventually locked him up in an asylum because they thought he was nuts. Guess what all doctors were doing 20 years later? Washing their hands in between surgeries. No my posts are not lies, I do not lie. Sorry to disappoint you. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's a lie.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBobWhat you think you know and what you really know don't amount to diddly. You think if you keep saying the same thing over and over that it's going to be true but that's not how it works. You don't have an educated opinion because you don't have enough information. The only way you will know for sure is if you try it yourself but you never will because you'll never give it the time. Therefore your opinion on what I do is not only worthless, it's less than worthless if that's possible because it's based on nothing except whatever teeny tiny bit of information you think you have. I've played thousands of sessions of roulette since 2004, I've thrown away boxes full of notebooks where I wrote my sessions. This is how you learn how to beat roulette, nose to the grindstone due diligence and you will come to understand how the game works. That's why I won two units tonight when I played, I understood what was going on.
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blah blah blah blah You have no idea what you're talking about. Your posts are lies.
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This reminds me of the doctor in the late 19th century who discovered that if he washed his hands in between surgeries the patient did far better. When he told his fellow doctors they thought he was insane and because he kept telling them they eventually locked him up in an asylum because they thought he was nuts. Guess what all doctors were doing 20 years later? Washing their hands in between surgeries. No my posts are not lies, I do not lie. Sorry to disappoint you. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's a lie.
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This reminds me of the guy who thinks he's Napoleon and is not. They locked him up too and he deserved it
Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfI don't need to be a mind reader to know you can't do the impossible.
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What you think you know and what you really know don't amount to diddly. You think if you keep saying the same thing over and over that it's going to be true but that's not how it works. You don't have an educated opinion because you don't have enough information. The only way you will know for sure is if you try it yourself but you never will because you'll never give it the time. Therefore your opinion on what I do is not only worthless, it's less than worthless if that's possible because it's based on nothing except whatever teeny tiny bit of information you think you have. I've played thousands of sessions of roulette since 2004, I've thrown away boxes full of notebooks where I wrote my sessions. This is how you learn how to beat roulette, nose to the grindstone due diligence and you will come to understand how the game works. That's why I won two units tonight when I played, I understood what was going on.
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This is the classic I can't back up any of my claims so I'm going to talk in circles and make up
a bunch of non-sense reasons why Axel doesn't know anything like I had boxes of note books
but I threw them out.
Bob maybe your confused no one wants to learn your super secret Voodoo system/method because its a waste of
their time and they know it.
what they want is for you to stop trying out for the Circus. If you do make it though I think walmart
has those red ball noses next to the candles and cat food.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBobWhat you think you know and what you really know don't amount to diddly. You think if you keep saying the same thing over and over that it's going to be true but that's not how it works. You don't have an educated opinion because you don't have enough information. The only way you will know for sure is if you try it yourself but you never will because you'll never give it the time. Therefore your opinion on what I do is not only worthless, it's less than worthless if that's possible because it's based on nothing except whatever teeny tiny bit of information you think you have. I've played thousands of sessions of roulette since 2004, I've thrown away boxes full of notebooks where I wrote my sessions. This is how you learn how to beat roulette, nose to the grindstone due diligence and you will come to understand how the game works. That's why I won two units tonight when I played, I understood what was going on.
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blah blah blah blah You have no idea what you're talking about. Your posts are lies.
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3 day suspension for Tiger Wu. By precedent, you are not allowed to call a forum member a liar; that is a personal insult.
This Thread is closed for 1 day.
Thanks Gordon..... A little summary to remind us... Edit for brevity.Quote: gordonm888This thread has been re-opened
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Quote: EvenBobI have a friend who wins consistantly playing roulette... Why do they say roulette can't be beaten, when my friend and others, I'm sure, are beating it every day.
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Quote: EvenBobI was trying to disguise who I was by changing my story around.
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So Evenbob CLAIMED to have a friend that never lost a session. EVER.
Later he admitted that he was 'the friend'. Oh hum, a reasonable white lie.
No-one answered his very, very original question....
"Why do 'they' say roulette can't be beaten, when my friend and others, I'm sure, are beating it every day?
Which, with the benefit of EB's confession can be paraphrased as...
"Why do 'they' say roulette can't be beaten, when I am beating it every day.
Consider for a moment, who are 'they'? Without knowing who 'they' are, we can hardly speculate what 'they' are thinking or why. But we can explain why WE say roulette can't be beaten, faced with the evidence that EB claims that HE can.
So let's paraphrase again....
""Why do 'YOU' say roulette can't be beaten, when EvenBob claims that he is beating it every day."
We can only speculate why "EvenBob claims that he is beating it every day." But that gets us nowhere.
We seem to obsess on telling EvenBob that he can not be beating roulette every day. That wasn't the question at all. Maybe we could take him on trust and explain to him why WE say it can't be beaten. Why we say he is mistaken? Why we care enough to refute his claims.
I think I'm ready to answer the paraphrased question.....
"Why does 'OnceDear' say roulette can't be beaten, when EvenBob claims that he is beating it every day."
The whole second clause is moot. All we need to do is to not care what EvenBob claims he can do.
"Why does 'OnceDear' say roulette can't be beaten?"
"Because there is mathematical evidence, statistical evidence, and centuries of empirical proof, experimental proof and financial proof that the game not only cannot be beaten, but that it IS NOT being beaten. If it could be beaten, there would be EVIDENCE. Maybe not conclusive evidence, but sensible, believable evidence.
Casinos continue to offer the game every day. They are happy to offer it and profit from it. There is no reason to give any consideration to EvenBob's claim that he beats it every day. There is ZERO evidence that the claim is true, valid or of any interest whatsoever. There is ZERO value in debating that claim
Why he doesn't want to prove it is moot.
Why he backed out of proving it is moot.
Why he now decides to not explain it is moot.
Why he doesn't want to use his skill to get rich is moot.
Why he DOES want to claim it is irrelevant. Who would care?
Why do they say roulette cannot be beaten? Weight of evidence.
... when EvenBob claims that he is beating it every day.? Total lack of evidence.
Gordon…. is my post ok by forum rules?
Quote: SOOPOONice post OD. I’ve tried to figure out my motivation for calling out the silly claim that someone is routinely beating roulette without bonuses, loss rebates, biased wheels, etc…. The answer is I feel like, at least occasionally, someone comes to the site looking for information and/or advice. I cringe at the thought that someone could read his posts and think there is a shred of validity to his claims, and then ACT upon those claims. So I periodically will post how absurd his claims are. Not for you or me or Bob to read. But for someone who comes to WoV looking for advice/information JUST LIKE I DID a decade or so ago.
Gordon…. is my post ok by forum rules?
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Thank Soopoo. I think we are in exact agreement.
We see fit to comment on the validity of EvenBob's [insert derogatory pronoun] claims as a warning to the poor noobie that might be seduced by them. I reckon what we ought to do in this thread is to simply answer......
There is strong mathematical proof that roulette cannot be beaten by EvenBob, or anyone else. There is ZERO evidence to support EvenBob's assertion that he can and does beat it. EvenBob has never offered any evidence, Has never provided any evidence and has now said that he sees no reason to do so.
"New guy. Weigh the evidence" If you want evidence refuting EvenBob's claim that Roulette can be beaten with some 'method', then ask away. We other members will provide copious links. Or believe EvenBob, who has provided and will provide ZERO of anything. Just empty words.
Quote: EvenBobIn 2004 when I accidentally discovered that I could beat roulette it was almost two full years of me playing with it everyday before I finally joined a gambling forum. And I did that because I was so naive I thought that they would give me pointers on how to improve myself. To my amazement and dismay all they did from the very first post I made was call me names, call me a liar, a con man, an idiot, there are people on this forum who were there and remember that. There are people here who treated me the worst on the other forum.
You received less criticism than your poste deserved back when you posted your drivel at Gamblers Glen; back then you called yourself "Spike."
The regulars routinely flamed and tormented you and you loved it, just as you enjoy being shown up as a (insert pejorative) here.
Masochism?
Myopia?
Dunno, don't care, but the sight of an ongoing, decades long meltdown is priceless.
Every person who persists in analyzing and arguing about the personal characteristics of other members in this forum ought to consider whether there is something more important to do with your time. Because, IMO, you are wasting it. Just saying . . .
