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GreenZero
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July 17th, 2023 at 9:56:20 AM permalink
This is the strongest system I could currently make after testing about 1700 shoes.



1.) It's a very boring and slow system and very grindy

2.) Requires a large bankroll risk to win little

3.) 1/1000 unit to bankroll ratio meaning...$1 units/ $1,073 bankroll $5 units/$5,365

4.) Better for ETG since it's faster

5.) I know there is no system that can defeat the house edge but this is as close as I could get.
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July 17th, 2023 at 10:01:51 AM permalink
So a $50 table would require over $53K to start? I'd better find those cheaper stadium seats.
GreenZero
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July 17th, 2023 at 10:05:36 AM permalink
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So a $50 table would require over $53K to start? I'd better find those cheaper stadium seats.
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Lol. I know the ratio isn't great. I'm going to get a lot of hate on here but hey it's the best I could do.
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July 17th, 2023 at 10:41:20 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

So a $50 table would require over $53K to start? I'd better find those cheaper stadium seats.
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This doesn't sound like a system for live baccarat play. It would make more sense for an online casino where minimums can be <$1.
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July 17th, 2023 at 11:02:05 AM permalink
What's your objective?
Maybe to play long enough to double your bankroll?
Bad news: You are more likely to lose your bankroll than you are to double it. Your grind is just a way of filling in the time as you do so.
Expected loss=House edge x Action.
Your grind makes lots of action.
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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July 17th, 2023 at 11:09:48 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Quote: ChumpChange

So a $50 table would require over $53K to start? I'd better find those cheaper stadium seats.
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This doesn't sound like a system for live baccarat play. It would make more sense for an online casino where minimums can be <$1.
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Yeah definitely, ETG is way better for this.
GreenZero
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July 17th, 2023 at 11:11:31 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

What's your objective?
Maybe to play long enough to double your bankroll?
Bad news: You are more likely to lose your bankroll than you are to double it. Your grind is just a way of filling in the time as you do so.
Expected loss=House edge x Action.
Your grind makes lots of action.
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Yes. I would only grind 5-10 units and I'm done. Quick in and out.
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July 17th, 2023 at 11:16:41 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Quote: ChumpChange

So a $50 table would require over $53K to start? I'd better find those cheaper stadium seats.
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This doesn't sound like a system for live baccarat play. It would make more sense for an online casino where minimums can be <$1.
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I'm also going to be testing this for 100 shoes per day for the rest of this year to see if I encounter any losses.
OnceDear
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July 17th, 2023 at 1:37:41 PM permalink
Quote: GreenZero

Quote: OnceDear

What's your objective?
Maybe to play long enough to double your bankroll?
Bad news: You are more likely to lose your bankroll than you are to double it. Your grind is just a way of filling in the time as you do so.
Expected loss=House edge x Action.
Your grind makes lots of action.
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Yes. I would only grind 5-10 units and I'm done. Quick in and out.
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But Why?

Let's say your objective was to make $5 per day to make a nice free coffee. You could take your $5,000 bankroll and drink free coffee for years..... Probably.

But how pi55ed off would you be on the day you lost your bankroll.

Probability of turning 5,000 into 5,005 is a bit less than 99.9% * Yayyyyy. Quick in and out. Free coffee. Whoop Whoop.

Probability of free coffee every day for a year a bit less than 69% **

And typically 31% of years that you tried, you WOULD lose your bankroll The casino would have it's 'Quick in and out!

Or you could just sit down in a casino and be given a free coffee
$:o)

* I assumed ZERO house edge
** 0.999^365 = 0.694
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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July 17th, 2023 at 2:05:04 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Quote: GreenZero

Quote: OnceDear

What's your objective?
Maybe to play long enough to double your bankroll?
Bad news: You are more likely to lose your bankroll than you are to double it. Your grind is just a way of filling in the time as you do so.
Expected loss=House edge x Action.
Your grind makes lots of action.
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Yes. I would only grind 5-10 units and I'm done. Quick in and out.
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But Why?

Let's say your objective was to make $5 per day to make a nice free coffee. You could take your $5,000 bankroll and drink free coffee for years..... Probably.

But how pi55ed off would you be on the day you lost your bankroll.

Probability of turning 5,000 into 5,005 is a bit less than 99.9% * Yayyyyy. Quick in and out. Free coffee. Whoop Whoop.

Probability of free coffee every day for a year a bit less than 69% **

And typically 31% of years that you tried, you WOULD lose your bankroll The casino would have it's 'Quick in and out!

Or you could just sit down in a casino and be given a free coffee
$:o)

* I assumed ZERO house edge
** 0.999^365 = 0.694
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Well, $5 units at 5-10 units per day would be a $25-$50 winning day. $1500 per month so without a loss it would take 3.5 months to get your investment back. like I said I'm going to test the crap of of it to see if that loss hits. I'm currently doing 100 shoes per day which would be $500 winning days. I'm not committing any real money to this until next year.
OnceDear
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July 17th, 2023 at 2:25:48 PM permalink
Quote: GreenZero


Well, $5 units at 5-10 units per day would be a $25-$50 winning day. $1500 per month so without a loss it would take 3.5 months to get your investment back. like I said I'm going to test the crap of of it to see if that loss hits. I'm currently doing 100 shoes per day which would be $500 winning days. I'm not committing any real money to this until next year.
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Seriously Friend. DON'T do it. Not this year. Not ever.
You will lose your bankroll more often than you will double it.
Your system is just an exciting way of losing it.


Test the crap out of it to your hearts content. It;s just another system for playing a losing game.
https://wizardofvegas.com/member/oncedear/blog/7/#post1370
https://wizardofvegas.com/member/oncedear/blog/7/#post1370
https://wizardofvegas.com/member/oncedear/blog/7/#post1370
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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July 17th, 2023 at 2:32:49 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Quote: GreenZero


Well, $5 units at 5-10 units per day would be a $25-$50 winning day. $1500 per month so without a loss it would take 3.5 months to get your investment back. like I said I'm going to test the crap of of it to see if that loss hits. I'm currently doing 100 shoes per day which would be $500 winning days. I'm not committing any real money to this until next year.
link to original post


Seriously Friend. DON'T do it. Not this year. Not ever.
You will lose your bankroll more often than you will double it.
Your system is just an exciting way of losing it.


Test the crap out of it to your hearts content. It;s just another system for playing a losing game.
https://wizardofvegas.com/member/oncedear/blog/7/#post1370
https://wizardofvegas.com/member/oncedear/blog/7/#post1370
https://wizardofvegas.com/member/oncedear/blog/7/#post1370
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I hear ya. We'll see what happens. I update my channel every weekday so who knows, maybe the system will fail and fall into the abyss with every other system.
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July 17th, 2023 at 3:53:34 PM permalink
Quote: GreenZero

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: GreenZero


Well, $5 units at 5-10 units per day would be a $25-$50 winning day. $1500 per month so without a loss it would take 3.5 months to get your investment back. like I said I'm going to test the crap of of it to see if that loss hits. I'm currently doing 100 shoes per day which would be $500 winning days. I'm not committing any real money to this until next year.
link to original post


Seriously Friend. DON'T do it. Not this year. Not ever.
You will lose your bankroll more often than you will double it.
Your system is just an exciting way of losing it.


Test the crap out of it to your hearts content. It;s just another system for playing a losing game.
https://wizardofvegas.com/member/oncedear/blog/7/#post1370
https://wizardofvegas.com/member/oncedear/blog/7/#post1370
https://wizardofvegas.com/member/oncedear/blog/7/#post1370
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I hear ya. We'll see what happens. I update my channel every weekday so who knows, maybe the system will fail and fall into the abyss with every other system.
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Why would it not. All systems are already in the abyss, waiting to clamber out. None have yet!
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
GreenZero
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July 17th, 2023 at 6:15:20 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Quote: GreenZero

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: GreenZero


Well, $5 units at 5-10 units per day would be a $25-$50 winning day. $1500 per month so without a loss it would take 3.5 months to get your investment back. like I said I'm going to test the crap of of it to see if that loss hits. I'm currently doing 100 shoes per day which would be $500 winning days. I'm not committing any real money to this until next year.
link to original post


Seriously Friend. DON'T do it. Not this year. Not ever.
You will lose your bankroll more often than you will double it.
Your system is just an exciting way of losing it.


Test the crap out of it to your hearts content. It;s just another system for playing a losing game.
https://wizardofvegas.com/member/oncedear/blog/7/#post1370
https://wizardofvegas.com/member/oncedear/blog/7/#post1370
https://wizardofvegas.com/member/oncedear/blog/7/#post1370
link to original post



I hear ya. We'll see what happens. I update my channel every weekday so who knows, maybe the system will fail and fall into the abyss with every other system.
link to original post


Why would it not. All systems are already in the abyss, waiting to clamber out. None have yet!
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Because if I simulated 1700 shoes already without a loss and lets say theorectically it was a $10,000 bankroll with $10 units, I would be ahead $17,000 right now so If I did take a loss I would still be ahead $7,000. Is that winning or losing?
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July 17th, 2023 at 8:30:22 PM permalink
Quote: GreenZero

I update my channel every weekday so who knows]

Now that's how your system might have a chance at success.

The question remains... are you ok with possibly enticing others to engage in risky behaviors with dreams of making easy money gambling in a situation that is guaranteed to eventually fail?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
GreenZero
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July 17th, 2023 at 8:59:28 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

I update my channel every weekday so who knows]

Now that's how your system might have a chance at success.

The question remains... are you ok with possibly enticing others to engage in risky behaviors with dreams of making easy money gambling in a situation that is guaranteed to eventually fail?
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Good point but assuming they already know the risks, how much have they lost already if everything they tried has failed? Isn't it better to come in at least with a plan and know the exact risk? After all, they don't have to play since all games lose in the end.
AxelWolf
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July 17th, 2023 at 9:22:27 PM permalink
Quote: GreenZero

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

I update my channel every weekday so who knows]

Now that's how your system might have a chance at success.

The question remains... are you ok with possibly enticing others to engage in risky behaviors with dreams of making easy money gambling in a situation that is guaranteed to eventually fail?
link to original post



Good point but assuming they already know the risks, how much have they lost already if everything they tried has failed? Isn't it better to come in at least with a plan and know the exact risk? After all, they don't have to play since all games lose in the end.
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Having a plan while engaging in -EV is meaningless. As OD put it, it's an entertaining way to lose.

I'm not making a judgment regarding your experiment, especially if you know it's not a legitimate way to beat the game in the long run. I think if you're continually being upfront with people then, no harm/ no foul, and I encourage you to do your thing. I hope you get some traction on your channel and make some money doing so. Just don't be one of those people who eventually regret losing a bunch of money on something that seemed like a good idea/situation.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
GreenZero
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July 17th, 2023 at 9:25:05 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

I update my channel every weekday so who knows]

Now that's how your system might have a chance at success.

The question remains... are you ok with possibly enticing others to engage in risky behaviors with dreams of making easy money gambling in a situation that is guaranteed to eventually fail?
link to original post



Good point but assuming they already know the risks, how much have they lost already if everything they tried has failed? Isn't it better to come in at least with a plan and know the exact risk? After all, they don't have to play since all games lose in the end.
link to original post

Having a plan while engaging in -EV is meaningless. As OD put it, it's an entertaining way to lose.

I'm not making a judgment regarding your experiment especially if you know it's not a legitimate way to beat the game in the long run. I think if you're continually being upfront with people then no harm/ no foul and I encourage you to do your thing and hope you get some traction on your channel and make some money doing so. Just don't be one of those people who eventually regret losing a bunch of money on something that seemed like a good situation.
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True, I will be making a video explaining that. I appreciate the feedback.
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July 17th, 2023 at 9:30:26 PM permalink
Quote: GreenZero

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

I update my channel every weekday so who knows]

Now that's how your system might have a chance at success.

The question remains... are you ok with possibly enticing others to engage in risky behaviors with dreams of making easy money gambling in a situation that is guaranteed to eventually fail?
link to original post



Good point but assuming they already know the risks, how much have they lost already if everything they tried has failed? Isn't it better to come in at least with a plan and know the exact risk? After all, they don't have to play since all games lose in the end.
link to original post

Having a plan while engaging in -EV is meaningless. As OD put it, it's an entertaining way to lose.

I'm not making a judgment regarding your experiment especially if you know it's not a legitimate way to beat the game in the long run. I think if you're continually being upfront with people then no harm/ no foul and I encourage you to do your thing and hope you get some traction on your channel and make some money doing so. Just don't be one of those people who eventually regret losing a bunch of money on something that seemed like a good situation.
link to original post



True, I will be making a video explaining that. I appreciate the feedback.
link to original post

I can't wait to see it. Please add the link when finished. I bet there are some people here who would be more than happy to give you some ideas on what to include and how to explain the math to people not as savvy in those matters. Good luck.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
GreenZero
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July 17th, 2023 at 9:32:43 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

I update my channel every weekday so who knows]

Now that's how your system might have a chance at success.

The question remains... are you ok with possibly enticing others to engage in risky behaviors with dreams of making easy money gambling in a situation that is guaranteed to eventually fail?
link to original post



Good point but assuming they already know the risks, how much have they lost already if everything they tried has failed? Isn't it better to come in at least with a plan and know the exact risk? After all, they don't have to play since all games lose in the end.
link to original post

Having a plan while engaging in -EV is meaningless. As OD put it, it's an entertaining way to lose.

I'm not making a judgment regarding your experiment especially if you know it's not a legitimate way to beat the game in the long run. I think if you're continually being upfront with people then no harm/ no foul and I encourage you to do your thing and hope you get some traction on your channel and make some money doing so. Just don't be one of those people who eventually regret losing a bunch of money on something that seemed like a good situation.
link to original post



True, I will be making a video explaining that. I appreciate the feedback.
link to original post

I can't wait to see it. Please add the link when finished. I bet there are some people here who would be more than happy to give you some ideas on what to include and how to explain the math to people not as savvy in those matters. Good luck.
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Honestly, I'm not a math wiz and no where near the intelligence of many people on here. I'm a janitor that washes floors and cleans toilets for a living. lol
AxelWolf
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July 17th, 2023 at 10:15:06 PM permalink
Quote: GreenZero

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

I update my channel every weekday so who knows]

Now that's how your system might have a chance at success.

The question remains... are you ok with possibly enticing others to engage in risky behaviors with dreams of making easy money gambling in a situation that is guaranteed to eventually fail?
link to original post



Good point but assuming they already know the risks, how much have they lost already if everything they tried has failed? Isn't it better to come in at least with a plan and know the exact risk? After all, they don't have to play since all games lose in the end.
link to original post

Having a plan while engaging in -EV is meaningless. As OD put it, it's an entertaining way to lose.

I'm not making a judgment regarding your experiment especially if you know it's not a legitimate way to beat the game in the long run. I think if you're continually being upfront with people then no harm/ no foul and I encourage you to do your thing and hope you get some traction on your channel and make some money doing so. Just don't be one of those people who eventually regret losing a bunch of money on something that seemed like a good situation.
link to original post



True, I will be making a video explaining that. I appreciate the feedback.
link to original post

I can't wait to see it. Please add the link when finished. I bet there are some people here who would be more than happy to give you some ideas on what to include and how to explain the math to people not as savvy in those matters. Good luck.
link to original post



Honestly, I'm not a math wiz and no where near the intelligence of many people on here. I'm a janitor that washes floors and cleans toilets for a living. lol
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I'm definitely no math wiz either, I'm the worst, and yet I have been consistently beating casino year after year since the early '90s.

One only needs to understand and apply one simple math concept /rule to have an advantage and a chance to actually beat the casino. Without it, you will fail, probably sooner rather than later. There are always crazy anomalies. Someone can play and win the lottery, however, that doesn't mean they had/have an advantage.

The math MUST add up to at least 100% to break even, anything over 100% = an advantage = profits. You can't trick, fool, manipulate, or outsmart math, not even if it's 99.999%. You can't bet into negative numbers and expect a positive outcome/advantage/profits.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
GreenZero
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July 17th, 2023 at 10:36:16 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

I update my channel every weekday so who knows]

Now that's how your system might have a chance at success.

The question remains... are you ok with possibly enticing others to engage in risky behaviors with dreams of making easy money gambling in a situation that is guaranteed to eventually fail?
link to original post



Good point but assuming they already know the risks, how much have they lost already if everything they tried has failed? Isn't it better to come in at least with a plan and know the exact risk? After all, they don't have to play since all games lose in the end.
link to original post

Having a plan while engaging in -EV is meaningless. As OD put it, it's an entertaining way to lose.

I'm not making a judgment regarding your experiment especially if you know it's not a legitimate way to beat the game in the long run. I think if you're continually being upfront with people then no harm/ no foul and I encourage you to do your thing and hope you get some traction on your channel and make some money doing so. Just don't be one of those people who eventually regret losing a bunch of money on something that seemed like a good situation.
link to original post



True, I will be making a video explaining that. I appreciate the feedback.
link to original post

I can't wait to see it. Please add the link when finished. I bet there are some people here who would be more than happy to give you some ideas on what to include and how to explain the math to people not as savvy in those matters. Good luck.
link to original post



Honestly, I'm not a math wiz and no where near the intelligence of many people on here. I'm a janitor that washes floors and cleans toilets for a living. lol
link to original post

I'm definitely no math wiz either, I'm the worst, and yet I have been consistently beating casino year after year since the early '90s.

One only needs to understand and apply one simple math concept /rule to have an advantage and a chance to actually beat the casino. Without it, you will fail, probably sooner rather than later. There are always crazy anomalies. Someone can play and win the lottery, however, that doesn't mean they had/have an advantage.

The math MUST add up to at least 100% to break even, anything over 100% = an advantage = profits. You can't trick, fool, manipulate, or outsmart math, not even if it's 99.999%. You can't bet into negative numbers and expect a positive outcome/advantage/profits.
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1.) Ok let's break it down to my knowledge. Say I simulate 100 shoes per day for an entire year which would be 36,500 shoes. Best case scenario I never lose and play with $10 units ($10,000 bankroll risk). That's winning $1,000 per day which would be a total of $365,000 in one year with no losses. (probably impossible)

2.) Ok now lets add 1 loss per month into this. I would win $30,000-$31,000 per month and now subtract $10,000 for the loss x12 which comes out to $365,000 in winnings - $120,000 in losses = +$245,000 in profit. I would say that is still pretty good.

3.) Ok now lets add 2 losses per month. $30,000-$31,000 in winnings per month - $20,000.in losses x12 which comes out to +$125,000 in profit still after 24 losses. I would say not to shabby after still losing 24 times.

What I'm getting at here is that 99.9999% is still viable. Will you take losses? Of course. I mean you can start the day and bang! take a loss right from the start too. You never know when lightning will strike. It would take more than 36 losses in a year to go under though. I don't see that happening but that remains to be proven.

That is what I'm trying to find out.
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July 17th, 2023 at 11:28:21 PM permalink
Quote: GreenZero

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GreenZero

I update my channel every weekday so who knows]

Now that's how your system might have a chance at success.

The question remains... are you ok with possibly enticing others to engage in risky behaviors with dreams of making easy money gambling in a situation that is guaranteed to eventually fail?
link to original post



Good point but assuming they already know the risks, how much have they lost already if everything they tried has failed? Isn't it better to come in at least with a plan and know the exact risk? After all, they don't have to play since all games lose in the end.
link to original post

Having a plan while engaging in -EV is meaningless. As OD put it, it's an entertaining way to lose.

I'm not making a judgment regarding your experiment especially if you know it's not a legitimate way to beat the game in the long run. I think if you're continually being upfront with people then no harm/ no foul and I encourage you to do your thing and hope you get some traction on your channel and make some money doing so. Just don't be one of those people who eventually regret losing a bunch of money on something that seemed like a good situation.
link to original post



True, I will be making a video explaining that. I appreciate the feedback.
link to original post

I can't wait to see it. Please add the link when finished. I bet there are some people here who would be more than happy to give you some ideas on what to include and how to explain the math to people not as savvy in those matters. Good luck.
link to original post



Honestly, I'm not a math wiz and no where near the intelligence of many people on here. I'm a janitor that washes floors and cleans toilets for a living. lol
link to original post

I'm definitely no math wiz either, I'm the worst, and yet I have been consistently beating casino year after year since the early '90s.

One only needs to understand and apply one simple math concept /rule to have an advantage and a chance to actually beat the casino. Without it, you will fail, probably sooner rather than later. There are always crazy anomalies. Someone can play and win the lottery, however, that doesn't mean they had/have an advantage.

The math MUST add up to at least 100% to break even, anything over 100% = an advantage = profits. You can't trick, fool, manipulate, or outsmart math, not even if it's 99.999%. You can't bet into negative numbers and expect a positive outcome/advantage/profits.
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1.) Ok let's break it down to my knowledge. Say I simulate 100 shoes per day for an entire year which would be 36,500 shoes. Best case scenario I never lose and play with $10 units ($10,000 bankroll risk). That's winning $1,000 per day which would be a total of $365,000 in one year with no losses. (probably impossible)

2.) Ok now lets add 1 loss per month into this. I would win $30,000-$31,000 per month and now subtract $10,000 for the loss x12 which comes out to $365,000 in winnings - $120,000 in losses = +$245,000 in profit. I would say that is still pretty good.

3.) Ok now lets add 2 losses per month. $30,000-$31,000 in winnings per month - $20,000.in losses x12 which comes out to +$125,000 in profit still after 24 losses. I would say not to shabby after still losing 24 times.

What I'm getting at here is that 99.9999% is still viable. Will you take losses? Of course. I mean you can start the day and bang! take a loss right from the start too. You never know when lightning will strike. It would take more than 36 losses in a year to go under though. I don't see that happening but that remains to be proven.

That is what I'm trying to find out.
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That 99.9999% was in reference to an example of what cannot be beaten in the long run. It shouldn't be used to be getting at anything other than 99.999% can't be elevated to over 100% no matter what betting system you use. Eventually, you will end up with less money than you started with playing anything under 100%.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 17th, 2023 at 11:34:58 PM permalink
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I update my channel every weekday so who knows]

Now that's how your system might have a chance at success.

The question remains... are you ok with possibly enticing others to engage in risky behaviors with dreams of making easy money gambling in a situation that is guaranteed to eventually fail?
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Good point but assuming they already know the risks, how much have they lost already if everything they tried has failed? Isn't it better to come in at least with a plan and know the exact risk? After all, they don't have to play since all games lose in the end.
link to original post

Having a plan while engaging in -EV is meaningless. As OD put it, it's an entertaining way to lose.

I'm not making a judgment regarding your experiment especially if you know it's not a legitimate way to beat the game in the long run. I think if you're continually being upfront with people then no harm/ no foul and I encourage you to do your thing and hope you get some traction on your channel and make some money doing so. Just don't be one of those people who eventually regret losing a bunch of money on something that seemed like a good situation.
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True, I will be making a video explaining that. I appreciate the feedback.
link to original post

I can't wait to see it. Please add the link when finished. I bet there are some people here who would be more than happy to give you some ideas on what to include and how to explain the math to people not as savvy in those matters. Good luck.
link to original post



Honestly, I'm not a math wiz and no where near the intelligence of many people on here. I'm a janitor that washes floors and cleans toilets for a living. lol
link to original post

I'm definitely no math wiz either, I'm the worst, and yet I have been consistently beating casino year after year since the early '90s.

One only needs to understand and apply one simple math concept /rule to have an advantage and a chance to actually beat the casino. Without it, you will fail, probably sooner rather than later. There are always crazy anomalies. Someone can play and win the lottery, however, that doesn't mean they had/have an advantage.

The math MUST add up to at least 100% to break even, anything over 100% = an advantage = profits. You can't trick, fool, manipulate, or outsmart math, not even if it's 99.999%. You can't bet into negative numbers and expect a positive outcome/advantage/profits.
link to original post



1.) Ok let's break it down to my knowledge. Say I simulate 100 shoes per day for an entire year which would be 36,500 shoes. Best case scenario I never lose and play with $10 units ($10,000 bankroll risk). That's winning $1,000 per day which would be a total of $365,000 in one year with no losses. (probably impossible)

2.) Ok now lets add 1 loss per month into this. I would win $30,000-$31,000 per month and now subtract $10,000 for the loss x12 which comes out to $365,000 in winnings - $120,000 in losses = +$245,000 in profit. I would say that is still pretty good.

3.) Ok now lets add 2 losses per month. $30,000-$31,000 in winnings per month - $20,000.in losses x12 which comes out to +$125,000 in profit still after 24 losses. I would say not to shabby after still losing 24 times.

What I'm getting at here is that 99.9999% is still viable. Will you take losses? Of course. I mean you can start the day and bang! take a loss right from the start too. You never know when lightning will strike. It would take more than 36 losses in a year to go under though. I don't see that happening but that remains to be proven.

That is what I'm trying to find out.
link to original post

That 99.9999% was in reference to an example of what cannot be beaten in the long run. It shouldn't be used to be getting at anything other than 99.999% can't be elevated to over 100% no matter what betting system you use. Eventually, you will end up with less money than you started with playing anything under 100%.
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Ok so from your own statement, If I lost 24 times out of 36,500 shoes that's a winning % of 99.934247% which would profit me $125,000 using $10 units.
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July 18th, 2023 at 12:02:11 AM permalink
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I update my channel every weekday so who knows]

Now that's how your system might have a chance at success.

The question remains... are you ok with possibly enticing others to engage in risky behaviors with dreams of making easy money gambling in a situation that is guaranteed to eventually fail?
link to original post



Good point but assuming they already know the risks, how much have they lost already if everything they tried has failed? Isn't it better to come in at least with a plan and know the exact risk? After all, they don't have to play since all games lose in the end.
link to original post

Having a plan while engaging in -EV is meaningless. As OD put it, it's an entertaining way to lose.

I'm not making a judgment regarding your experiment especially if you know it's not a legitimate way to beat the game in the long run. I think if you're continually being upfront with people then no harm/ no foul and I encourage you to do your thing and hope you get some traction on your channel and make some money doing so. Just don't be one of those people who eventually regret losing a bunch of money on something that seemed like a good situation.
link to original post



True, I will be making a video explaining that. I appreciate the feedback.
link to original post

I can't wait to see it. Please add the link when finished. I bet there are some people here who would be more than happy to give you some ideas on what to include and how to explain the math to people not as savvy in those matters. Good luck.
link to original post



Honestly, I'm not a math wiz and no where near the intelligence of many people on here. I'm a janitor that washes floors and cleans toilets for a living. lol
link to original post

I'm definitely no math wiz either, I'm the worst, and yet I have been consistently beating casino year after year since the early '90s.

One only needs to understand and apply one simple math concept /rule to have an advantage and a chance to actually beat the casino. Without it, you will fail, probably sooner rather than later. There are always crazy anomalies. Someone can play and win the lottery, however, that doesn't mean they had/have an advantage.

The math MUST add up to at least 100% to break even, anything over 100% = an advantage = profits. You can't trick, fool, manipulate, or outsmart math, not even if it's 99.999%. You can't bet into negative numbers and expect a positive outcome/advantage/profits.
link to original post



1.) Ok let's break it down to my knowledge. Say I simulate 100 shoes per day for an entire year which would be 36,500 shoes. Best case scenario I never lose and play with $10 units ($10,000 bankroll risk). That's winning $1,000 per day which would be a total of $365,000 in one year with no losses. (probably impossible)

2.) Ok now lets add 1 loss per month into this. I would win $30,000-$31,000 per month and now subtract $10,000 for the loss x12 which comes out to $365,000 in winnings - $120,000 in losses = +$245,000 in profit. I would say that is still pretty good.

3.) Ok now lets add 2 losses per month. $30,000-$31,000 in winnings per month - $20,000.in losses x12 which comes out to +$125,000 in profit still after 24 losses. I would say not to shabby after still losing 24 times.

What I'm getting at here is that 99.9999% is still viable. Will you take losses? Of course. I mean you can start the day and bang! take a loss right from the start too. You never know when lightning will strike. It would take more than 36 losses in a year to go under though. I don't see that happening but that remains to be proven.

That is what I'm trying to find out.
link to original post

That 99.9999% was in reference to an example of what cannot be beaten in the long run. It shouldn't be used to be getting at anything other than 99.999% can't be elevated to over 100% no matter what betting system you use. Eventually, you will end up with less money than you started with playing anything under 100%.
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Ok so from your own statement, If I lost 24 times out of 36,500 shoes that's a winning % of 99.934247% which would profit me $125,000 using $10 units.
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NO!! that number doesn't have anything to do with any calculations whatsoever. It's only a number below 100%.

You're trying to devise a system that gains units. You CAN'T gain units in the long run without a game that has an RTP that's over 100%. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. See The Wizard's(and other mathematicians') calculations and comments on this stuff. If you have a game that's been mathematically analyzed and it has a return of 95% You'll lose 5% in the long run. You might lose 100% in the short run, or win 100% in the short run, but eventually you will lose 5%. You can't predict losing or winning streaks. Your system could fail the first time you play for real money. You could lose 100 bets in a row. Just because something hasn't happened or is highly unlikely to happen doesn't mean it won't at any given time.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 18th, 2023 at 12:05:51 AM permalink
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I update my channel every weekday so who knows]

Now that's how your system might have a chance at success.

The question remains... are you ok with possibly enticing others to engage in risky behaviors with dreams of making easy money gambling in a situation that is guaranteed to eventually fail?
link to original post



Good point but assuming they already know the risks, how much have they lost already if everything they tried has failed? Isn't it better to come in at least with a plan and know the exact risk? After all, they don't have to play since all games lose in the end.
link to original post

Having a plan while engaging in -EV is meaningless. As OD put it, it's an entertaining way to lose.

I'm not making a judgment regarding your experiment especially if you know it's not a legitimate way to beat the game in the long run. I think if you're continually being upfront with people then no harm/ no foul and I encourage you to do your thing and hope you get some traction on your channel and make some money doing so. Just don't be one of those people who eventually regret losing a bunch of money on something that seemed like a good situation.
link to original post



True, I will be making a video explaining that. I appreciate the feedback.
link to original post

I can't wait to see it. Please add the link when finished. I bet there are some people here who would be more than happy to give you some ideas on what to include and how to explain the math to people not as savvy in those matters. Good luck.
link to original post



Honestly, I'm not a math wiz and no where near the intelligence of many people on here. I'm a janitor that washes floors and cleans toilets for a living. lol
link to original post

I'm definitely no math wiz either, I'm the worst, and yet I have been consistently beating casino year after year since the early '90s.

One only needs to understand and apply one simple math concept /rule to have an advantage and a chance to actually beat the casino. Without it, you will fail, probably sooner rather than later. There are always crazy anomalies. Someone can play and win the lottery, however, that doesn't mean they had/have an advantage.

The math MUST add up to at least 100% to break even, anything over 100% = an advantage = profits. You can't trick, fool, manipulate, or outsmart math, not even if it's 99.999%. You can't bet into negative numbers and expect a positive outcome/advantage/profits.
link to original post



1.) Ok let's break it down to my knowledge. Say I simulate 100 shoes per day for an entire year which would be 36,500 shoes. Best case scenario I never lose and play with $10 units ($10,000 bankroll risk). That's winning $1,000 per day which would be a total of $365,000 in one year with no losses. (probably impossible)

2.) Ok now lets add 1 loss per month into this. I would win $30,000-$31,000 per month and now subtract $10,000 for the loss x12 which comes out to $365,000 in winnings - $120,000 in losses = +$245,000 in profit. I would say that is still pretty good.

3.) Ok now lets add 2 losses per month. $30,000-$31,000 in winnings per month - $20,000.in losses x12 which comes out to +$125,000 in profit still after 24 losses. I would say not to shabby after still losing 24 times.

What I'm getting at here is that 99.9999% is still viable. Will you take losses? Of course. I mean you can start the day and bang! take a loss right from the start too. You never know when lightning will strike. It would take more than 36 losses in a year to go under though. I don't see that happening but that remains to be proven.

That is what I'm trying to find out.
link to original post

That 99.9999% was in reference to an example of what cannot be beaten in the long run. It shouldn't be used to be getting at anything other than 99.999% can't be elevated to over 100% no matter what betting system you use. Eventually, you will end up with less money than you started with playing anything under 100%.
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Ok so from your own statement, If I lost 24 times out of 36,500 shoes that's a winning % of 99.934247% which would profit me $125,000 using $10 units.
link to original post

NO!! that number doesn't have anything to do with any calculations whatsoever. It's only a number below 100%.

You're trying to devise a system that gains units. You CAN'T gain units in the long run without a game that has an RTP that's over 100%. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. See The Wizard's(and other mathematicians') calculations and comments on this stuff. If you have a game that's been mathematically analyzed and it has a return of 95% You'll lose 5% in the long run. You might lose 100% in the short run, or win 100% in the short run but eventually, you will lose 5% You can't predict losing or winning streaks. Your system could fail the first time you play for real money. You could lose 100 bets in a row.
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Well we can keep going on forever. I'm just gonna stop there. Hey if I'm wrong I'm wrong.
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July 18th, 2023 at 12:07:19 AM permalink
I'd try to bet $10 million and win 2.5% for a $250K profit.
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July 18th, 2023 at 12:10:27 AM permalink
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I update my channel every weekday so who knows]

Now that's how your system might have a chance at success.

The question remains... are you ok with possibly enticing others to engage in risky behaviors with dreams of making easy money gambling in a situation that is guaranteed to eventually fail?
link to original post



Good point but assuming they already know the risks, how much have they lost already if everything they tried has failed? Isn't it better to come in at least with a plan and know the exact risk? After all, they don't have to play since all games lose in the end.
link to original post

Having a plan while engaging in -EV is meaningless. As OD put it, it's an entertaining way to lose.

I'm not making a judgment regarding your experiment especially if you know it's not a legitimate way to beat the game in the long run. I think if you're continually being upfront with people then no harm/ no foul and I encourage you to do your thing and hope you get some traction on your channel and make some money doing so. Just don't be one of those people who eventually regret losing a bunch of money on something that seemed like a good situation.
link to original post



True, I will be making a video explaining that. I appreciate the feedback.
link to original post

I can't wait to see it. Please add the link when finished. I bet there are some people here who would be more than happy to give you some ideas on what to include and how to explain the math to people not as savvy in those matters. Good luck.
link to original post



Honestly, I'm not a math wiz and no where near the intelligence of many people on here. I'm a janitor that washes floors and cleans toilets for a living. lol
link to original post

I'm definitely no math wiz either, I'm the worst, and yet I have been consistently beating casino year after year since the early '90s.

One only needs to understand and apply one simple math concept /rule to have an advantage and a chance to actually beat the casino. Without it, you will fail, probably sooner rather than later. There are always crazy anomalies. Someone can play and win the lottery, however, that doesn't mean they had/have an advantage.

The math MUST add up to at least 100% to break even, anything over 100% = an advantage = profits. You can't trick, fool, manipulate, or outsmart math, not even if it's 99.999%. You can't bet into negative numbers and expect a positive outcome/advantage/profits.
link to original post



1.) Ok let's break it down to my knowledge. Say I simulate 100 shoes per day for an entire year which would be 36,500 shoes. Best case scenario I never lose and play with $10 units ($10,000 bankroll risk). That's winning $1,000 per day which would be a total of $365,000 in one year with no losses. (probably impossible)

2.) Ok now lets add 1 loss per month into this. I would win $30,000-$31,000 per month and now subtract $10,000 for the loss x12 which comes out to $365,000 in winnings - $120,000 in losses = +$245,000 in profit. I would say that is still pretty good.

3.) Ok now lets add 2 losses per month. $30,000-$31,000 in winnings per month - $20,000.in losses x12 which comes out to +$125,000 in profit still after 24 losses. I would say not to shabby after still losing 24 times.

What I'm getting at here is that 99.9999% is still viable. Will you take losses? Of course. I mean you can start the day and bang! take a loss right from the start too. You never know when lightning will strike. It would take more than 36 losses in a year to go under though. I don't see that happening but that remains to be proven.

That is what I'm trying to find out.
link to original post

That 99.9999% was in reference to an example of what cannot be beaten in the long run. It shouldn't be used to be getting at anything other than 99.999% can't be elevated to over 100% no matter what betting system you use. Eventually, you will end up with less money than you started with playing anything under 100%.
link to original post



Ok so from your own statement, If I lost 24 times out of 36,500 shoes that's a winning % of 99.934247% which would profit me $125,000 using $10 units.
link to original post

NO!! that number doesn't have anything to do with any calculations whatsoever. It's only a number below 100%.

You're trying to devise a system that gains units. You CAN'T gain units in the long run without a game that has an RTP that's over 100%. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. See The Wizard's(and other mathematicians') calculations and comments on this stuff. If you have a game that's been mathematically analyzed and it has a return of 95% You'll lose 5% in the long run. You might lose 100% in the short run, or win 100% in the short run but eventually, you will lose 5% You can't predict losing or winning streaks. Your system could fail the first time you play for real money. You could lose 100 bets in a row.
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Well we can keep going on forever. I'm just gonna stop there. Hey if I'm wrong I'm wrong.
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Trust the mathematics and don't end up like this guy. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/2285-can-roulette-be-beaten/6/#post893249
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 18th, 2023 at 1:32:22 AM permalink
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Why would it not. All systems are already in the abyss, waiting to clamber out. None have yet!
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Because if I simulated 1700 shoes already without a loss and lets say theorectically it was a $10,000 bankroll with $10 units, I would be ahead $17,000 right now so If I did take a loss I would still be ahead $7,000. Is that winning or losing?
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Just perfectly normal slightly good luck.
Probability of turning 10,000 into 27,000 is approx 10/27 or 37%. Again, I'm ignoring the house edge,
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July 18th, 2023 at 8:19:06 AM permalink
Smart people are taking a lot of their time to explain to you the facts of life. Betting systems do not change a losing game into a winning game. They don't even change the return to player (RTP) over the long run. It would be great if you would just listen to those smart people and investigate proven ways to win in casinos. And, please don't try to encourage other people to use betting systems. It seems callous to encourage other people to use a system that experts tell you does not work.

Also, I do not get what you mean by trying a large number of shoes. You could simulate a lifetime worth of baccarat games on a computer in a few seconds. I assume you are doing some other experiment with a play-money game. When the math and computer experts do simulations with any betting system, the long-term RTP always tends towards the known RTP for the game. This proves over and over that no betting systems prove out over the long term.

I use simulations to test betting strategies for loss rebates. These are known to return over 100% RTP under the right circumstances because the house is adding money beyond your return from the game. The point of simulations is to figure out how to bet to get the most rebate dollars per dollar of play on the -EV game. I can simulate 100,000 games per second for complex games like video poker.
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August 9th, 2023 at 12:05:02 PM permalink
bro anyone in this forum who thinks you cant beat the casino is mad becuse they cant figure it out dont listwn to them bac can be beaten very easliy random vs random with a slight marentgale longest losing streak i ever seen was 12 and i won 27 in a row once
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bro anyone in this forum who thinks you cant beat the casino is mad becuse they cant figure it out dont listwn to them bac can be beaten very easliy random vs random with a slight marentgale longest losing streak i ever seen was 12 and i won 27 in a row once
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Oh, boy, here we go again...
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August 9th, 2023 at 12:34:46 PM permalink
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bro anyone in this forum who thinks you cant beat the casino is mad becuse they cant figure it out dont listwn to them bac can be beaten very easliy random vs random with a slight marentgale longest losing streak i ever seen was 12 and i won 27 in a row once
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Yeah, I'm going to stay away from posting systems on here because they just get trashed. I just post them on my YT channel.
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August 9th, 2023 at 3:46:55 PM permalink
yea thats why this fourm is going down hill so fast look up Letswin on this fourm he has a system that is bankrupting the casino i have a slight version of it but not the real
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August 10th, 2023 at 1:31:53 AM permalink
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bro anyone in this forum who thinks you cant beat the casino is mad becuse they cant figure it out dont listwn to them bac can be beaten very easliy random vs random with a slight marentgale longest losing streak i ever seen was 12 and i won 27 in a row once
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Yeah, I'm going to stay away from posting systems on here because they just get trashed. I just post them on my YT channel.
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yea thats why this fourm is going down hill so fast look up Letswin on this fourm he has a system that is bankrupting the casino i have a slight version of it but not the real
thing
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If you want to post about your system, go ahead. If you want to be suckered by other system proponents, then seek them out and waste your money on their snake oil. Snake oil salesmen are not welcome here, though.

If you personally have a winning system, then what are you doing here giving away the Golden Chalice: Go bankrupt some casinos.

Oh, and yes. Casinos can be beaten. But not with some jackass system.
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August 10th, 2023 at 6:07:45 AM permalink
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yea thats why this fourm is going down hill so fast look up Letswin on this fourm he has a system that is bankrupting the casino i have a slight version of it but not the real
thing
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The only gamblers that have ever come close to bankrupting casinos are whales that bet $250,000 a hand and get on a lucky streak. I think Akio Kashiwagi came close a few times.

Otherwise, the only way to bankrupt a casino is through mismanagement. The most notable example of this is Donald Trump.

No "system player" is going to bankrupt a casino.
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August 10th, 2023 at 7:00:32 AM permalink
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The only gamblers that have ever come close to bankrupting casinos are whales that bet $250,000 a hand and get on a lucky streak. I think 𝘼𝙠𝙞𝙤 𝙆𝙖𝙨𝙝𝙞𝙬𝙖𝙜𝙞 came close a few times.


pretty interesting profile of this guy from Wiki

he was murdered and the killer was never caught

at the time of his death he owed U.S. casinos at least $9 million and European creditors at least $10 million

he was famous for taking out large lines of credit and not paying back losses

Trump invited him to his A.C. casino where he lost $10 million in 6 days and he was only able to repay $6 million


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akio_Kashiwagi

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August 11th, 2023 at 3:37:24 AM permalink
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there's nothing wrong with money management or bet selection systems if it's fun for the bettor

and he understands they can only be recreational - that they cannot be long run winners

and as long as he won't be devastated if and when their progression gets crushed

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August 11th, 2023 at 4:46:18 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

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there's nothing wrong with money management or bet selection systems if it's fun for the bettor

and he understands they can only be recreational - that they cannot be long run winners

and as long as he won't be devastated if and when their progression gets crushed

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