Can Roulette Be Beaten?
Quote: EvenBobGood grief. In order to file a complaint with the Michigan Gaming Control Board I first have to file a written complaint with the casino and they have 10 days give me a written response. After the 10 days is up and I'm still not satisfied only then can I file a written complaint with the Michigan Gaming Control Board and they will take another God knows how long to investigate. There is no live person to talk to.
"An authorized participant that has a complaint with an operator or platform provider
MUST FIRST FILE A WRITTEN COMPLAINT WITH THE RELEVANT
OPERATOR OR PLATFORM PROVIDER. The operator or platform provider must
investigate the complaint and provide a written response to the authorized participant
within 10 calendar days after receipt of the complaint. The operator’s or platform
provider’s response must advise the authorized participant of his or her right to submit
the complaint to the Board. If the complaint is not resolved to the satisfaction of the
authorized participant after all reasonable means to resolve the complaint with the
operator or platform provider have been exhausted, the authorized participant may file the
complaint with the Board."
Still cannot place a bet at this casino and everything looks completely normal. If I was going to back somebody off in a state-run casino this is exactly how I would do it. The casino would be in big trouble if they closed my account and seized my balance so they don't do any of that. They make it look like everything's fine and dandy I just can't make any bets. Problem solved for them and I still have my money. If I don't like it go play someplace else.
So now I have to figure out how to make it look like I'm withdrawing and depositing like a normal player only I'm coming out ahead. Maybe if I up my daily goal for winning and take that extra money every day and lose it in the slot machines and then make deposits to cover those losses frequently. In the meantime I'll be winning at roulette. In any case I've got to figure out something to do that doesn't draw attention to me.
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I am not an expert on MI, but I am pretty sure your emails that you already lodged some days ago would count as the "written complaint to the operator." And, their responses likely count as the responses which you can or cannot find satisfactory. So, if you are not happy with their responses you should be able to start your gaming complaint (again not an expert, but it is not like you will be arrested, at worst they will say, "no we cannot take this yet send a more detailed written complaint to the operator with your precise issue and then contact us again if you don't like their response.")
They have no reason to ban you, if they are genuinely trying to help you figure out how to play, it is likely an error. If they wanted to ban you they would not hide the ball.
You have access to your funds, this is the most important thing. In the short term I would just withdraw my funds, and play at a different casino.
Also, this is not how you would back somebody off in a casino (especially a legitimate one.) They would instantly tell you that you are no longer welcome to play (possibly by completely shutting down your account and sending your balance to the most recently verified withdraw method or sending you a check to your HOR depending on protocol), they have no reason to do anything else. The fact that they are trying so hard to get you back and resolve the play issues means that they are banning you (and of course they want you back.)
I would download their smartphone app and see if you can bet on that, and if nothing else this will show you are not banned, and likely show it is some issue with your PC.
Quote: odiousgambit
PS: if you believe Bob relies on roulette to pay his bills, I've got a bridge I want to sell you
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Quote: AxelWolfHow is it you don't know this? Read and comprehend what you yourself posted about what Mike said on the subject of betting systems.
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I know everything there is to know about progressions this is why I do not use them, have never used them, will never use them. Mostly because I don't need them. If you have the right bet selection a progression is useless. The only reason I wanted to use one for the challenge was to speed things up. Not because it gives me some kind of an edge. My God I get tired of writing the same stuff over and over when I'm dealing with you.
Quote: Gandler
I would download their smartphone app and see if you can bet on that, and if nothing else this will show you are not banned, and likely show it is some issue with your PC.
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Already did that it doesn't work on the phone either, the same message comes up. My theory is the people I'm talking to there have no idea what's going on they seem genuinely puzzled. Which leads me to believe they're not supposed to know what's going on. All I know is I can't make bets there but I can do everything else. I'm going to go through the process of filing complaints I guess but I don't think it's going to do a damn bit of good. I think the casino is going to stick with their story that it's a glitch on my end cuz it looks like they're doing nothing wrong which I believe is what it's supposed to look like. It's really a perfect scenario for them and quite clever if that's what they're doing. I'm not banned, I'm free to make deposits in withdrawals, I can do anything I want on the site except bet. That's all they care about keeping me from betting.
Quote: odiousgambit
PS: if you believe Bob relies on roulette to pay his bills, I've got a bridge I want to sell you
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With your valuable opinion and a dollar you can get a coffee at McDonald's. On second thought all you need is the dollar. LOL
Quote: EvenBob
I know everything there is to know about progressions...
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I will not be using a Martingale I will be flat betting using a D'alem progression...
I will be flat betting and if I lose one unit my next bet will be two units if I lose again my next bet will be 4 units
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You know everything about progressions?
You know duck all about progressions.
You don't know that flat betting and progressions are not the same thing. The statement "I will be flat betting using a D'alem progression." Is absurd, meaningless, contradictory mumbo jumbo.
And you don't know the difference between d'Alembert and Martingale.
Let alone you don't know how to capitalise and spell d'Alembert
EvenBob: You just demonstrated that you know nothing about progressions.
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I would download their smartphone app and see if you can bet on that, and if nothing else this will show you are not banned, and likely show it is some issue with your PC.
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Already did that it doesn't work on the phone either, the same message comes up. My theory is the people I'm talking to there have no idea what's going on they seem genuinely puzzled. Which leads me to believe they're not supposed to know what's going on. All I know is I can't make bets there but I can do everything else. I'm going to go through the process of filing complaints I guess but I don't think it's going to do a damn bit of good. I think the casino is going to stick with their story that it's a glitch on my end cuz it looks like they're doing nothing wrong which I believe is what it's supposed to look like. It's really a perfect scenario for them and quite clever if that's what they're doing. I'm not banned, I'm free to make deposits in withdrawals, I can do anything I want on the site except bet. That's all they care about keeping me from betting.
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Have you tried betting on other games on the casino? While they (probably, again not 100% sure for MI), can ban you from just certain games, I have never heard of somebody getting banned from just online roulette for skill or advantage.
It could be a problem with the livestream bets, if you can bet at the virtual casino, but cannot bet at any of the livestream games, that is likely the problem. If you can bet at livestream BJ, but not livestream roulette I would be shocked.
But, they definitely are not banning you, they would simply tell you. They have no reason to be obtuse about it.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: odiousgambit
PS: if you believe Bob relies on roulette to pay his bills, I've got a bridge I want to sell you
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With your valuable opinion and a dollar you can get a coffee at McDonald's. On second thought all you need is the dollar. LOL
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I just checked the app. $1.39 plus taxes near me.
Quote: Gandler
Have you tried betting on other games on the casino?
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Yes I bet on other live games, slot machines, you name it I bet on it all with the same result. We cannot verify your bet.
Quote: DieterQuote: EvenBobQuote: odiousgambit
PS: if you believe Bob relies on roulette to pay his bills, I've got a bridge I want to sell you
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With your valuable opinion and a dollar you can get a coffee at McDonald's. On second thought all you need is the dollar. LOL
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I just checked the app. $1.39 plus taxes near me.
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EvenBob doesn't get out much and has slightly lost touch with the new inflation thing.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: Gandler
Have you tried betting on other games on the casino?
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Yes I bet on other live games, slot machines, you name it I bet on it all with the same result. We cannot verify your bet.
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Cue EB telling us one by one as his other casinos 86 him and how he's got more important things to do than prove anything here,
Its classic deflection.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: Gandler
Have you tried betting on other games on the casino?
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Yes I bet on other live games, slot machines, you name it I bet on it all with the same result. We cannot verify your bet.
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Something with your network maybe blocking your location verification (which I assume is required in MI?) But, if location verification is working at other State casinos you are still playing at, this should not be the case. The only way to test this (that I know of), is if a friend is visiting with a laptop, have them log onto your wifi and see if they can play from your network (but make sure you are not logged on at the same time, because sometimes casinos get funny about that.) If you live very near a State border, sometimes it can get finicky.
Other than that I am not sure what more you can do from your end, other than keep hounding customer support and making service tickets. If you live near the casino's physical location, and stop by in person they may escalate quicker (this would also be an easy way to see if you are actually completely banned or not.)
Quote: Gandler
Something with your network maybe blocking your location verification (which I assume is required in MI?)
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It verifies my location after I log in and even lets me make a bet. If I wasn't verified you would never get as far as one of the games, let alone being able to bet.
Quote: OnceDear
EvenBob doesn't get out much and has slightly lost touch with the new inflation thing.
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I don't drink coffee, I don't eat out, I haven't been to McDonald's since '70s. I was just making a guess to make a point
Obviously you didn't know one of the most important things about betting systems. You said I was 1000% wrong, and yet, you were. Progression systems can't give you an edge in a -EV game, however, they could give you a significantly higher chance of being ahead.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfHow is it you don't know this? Read and comprehend what you yourself posted about what Mike said on the subject of betting systems.
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I know everything there is to know about progressions this is why I do not use them, have never used them, will never use them. Mostly because I don't need them. If you have the right bet selection a progression is useless. The only reason I wanted to use one for the challenge was to speed things up. Not because it gives me some kind of an edge. My God I get tired of writing the same stuff over and over when I'm dealing with you.
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You were attempting to prove you would be ahead after 6 weeks. In this case, the proof is your edge/goal.
You were trying to get us to accept that as proof you can beat roulette. I/we continually told you that it absolutely matters how you intend you achieve that proof/goal. You kept saying it doesn't matter, progression systems can help with a higher success rate. You were/are 10000000000000000000000000000000000% Wrong.
Stop being wrong/wishy-washy/contradictive(go back and note how many others see the same thing I do) so so often and you won't have to be writing the same stuff over and over.
Why do you want to move the goalposts outside the stadium? Stop trying to speed things up by making the challenge significantly easier to accomplish. Easier = much lower hit rate than you claim, using a progression system. That just means we need significantly more results to convince us of anything. It could take 1000s instead of less than 100.Quote: EvenBobThe only reason I wanted to use one for the challenge was to speed things up.
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Get 36 out of 40 correctly(80% hit rate) guessed bets that have a 50/50/Even money payout(for agreement's sake) chance of winning.
I would assume you could achieve that in 6-8 weeks on average. If not, no big deal just extend the time, because that doesn't matter just do 4O bets that count, that's all that counts, as long as it's established when and where(you can tell Mike privately) you start. It doesn't matter how much you bet or what system you use just get 40 bets in where you say ok this next one count towards my 40.
You can't have multiple casinos going and offer up the one with the best results and exclude the others, that's shenanigans. You cannot exclude a starting point and only offer results once you went on a winning streak excluding prior results, that's shenanigans.
If you can accomplish a 78-80%+ hit rate without any shenanigans you will shut us all up. I will personally take back everything I said derogatory about your METHOD. I will admit you are on to something and stop talking crap about your method.
P.S. You don't even have to bet real money, just guess live roulette spins correctly 78-80% of the time.
You touched on this before. If Bob actually had a method where he had an 80% hit rate and he actually believes they are banning him for too much winning(enough to pay his bills) He should be asking people who have had experience with legitimate mathematical advantages at online casinos, how to best avoid getting banned.Quote: OnceDearQuote: EvenBobQuote: Gandler
Have you tried betting on other games on the casino?
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Yes I bet on other live games, slot machines, you name it I bet on it all with the same result. We cannot verify your bet.
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Cue EB telling us one by one as his other casinos 86 him and how he's got more important things to do than prove anything here,
Its classic deflection.
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Other than micro betting it seems as if he's doing everything wrong.
The number one rule of casino fight club, make money, The number two rule of casino fight club, don't get banned and make more money.
And, as always, Don't talk about casino fight club. Unfortunately, most people glaringly break that rule.
The machine got hip to my winning progressions and went into thwart-mode.
It certainly happens due to variance especially if you can cherry-pick from many spins or show it after the fact. Doing it on a challenge will be a different story.Quote: ChumpChangeI was betting on Odd. Only won 3 times out of 26 spins. So that's an 88% loss rate just on that.
The machine got hip to my winning progressions and went into thwart-mode.
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Bob could fail after the first 5 spins.
Not sure where this was taken from, but there's a chance it's gaffed software in the first place.Quote: avianrandyInteresting green zero came up 3 times in the 26 spins
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A family reunion weekend with no internet. Good luck.Quote: EvenBobFamily reunion weekend so I'll be gone till Monday. Where I'm going has no internet so I'm taking a break from everything. Maybe it will be resolved when I get back, I can only hope.
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I don't often comment on CC's little off topic contributions, but I believe him. It really does look like his 'play for fun' game is hooky. 3 x '0', 4x'14', 3x'10', only 3 odd out of 26. That just looks hooky. Even more hooky if he'd been progressive betting on odd. But it was a small sample, so statistically meaningless. If that were a real money game, I'd be avoiding it and the casino that offered it.Quote: ChumpChangeI was betting on Odd. Only won 3 times out of 26 spins. So that's an 88% loss rate just on that. It was a double 0 wheel. I played these spins minutes before I posted. It's a home software game. That green zero or 00 is the HA and they add up quickly in this game.
The machine got hip to my winning progressions and went into thwart-mode.
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.Quote: ChumpChangeThere's also a tournament mode ... Whatever I lose or win in tournament mode comes out of my bankroll, so I really don't like to bet all-in on these tournaments. I'll need a different way to win in this game.
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It's not real play and the algo may be hooky. Just carry on having fun for free.
Quote: EvenBobSomebody pm'd me, somebody that I respect, and said that just because you found a way to make money from a casino game does not mean you've beaten the game. It just means you found a workaround, a hack, that consistently makes your money. This does not mean that you've beaten the game.
This is very interesting because I've never thought about it that way. I suppose it's like staring at the ocean wanting to find a way to get across it so I build a ship and sail across the ocean to the other side. Does that mean I've beaten the ocean? Not at all, I just found a workaround that lets me use the ocean to get where I want to go. Perhaps me saying all these years that I've beaten roulette is the incorrect way to say it. Maybe saying I found a way to take advantage of roulette and make consistent money is a better way. I've discovered a hack that lets me use the random numbers that are occasionally in my favor to make a consistent profit. I'll have to think about this some more but I think I'm on to something.
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EB is getting desperate and trying to backpeddle now that EVERYONE is calling him out and he realizes he's painted himself into a corner about providing evidence....
"Well, maybe I haven't technically BEAT the game, I've just gotten lucky...."
Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBobSomebody pm'd me, somebody that I respect, and said that just because you found a way to make money from a casino game does not mean you've beaten the game. It just means you found a workaround, a hack, that consistently makes your money. This does not mean that you've beaten the game.
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EB is getting desperate and trying to backpeddle now that EVERYONE is calling him out and he realizes he's painted himself into a corner about providing evidence....
"Well, maybe I haven't technically BEAT the game, I've just gotten lucky...."
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Very much so. He implies here and a few places that he was going to use a progressive (A flat-betting d'Alembert that was not a martingale, but which was identical to a Martingale and nothing like flat-betting or d'Alembert)... He was going to use that progressive to prove that he can win every session, like someone he trusts has told him is foolproof .....
But now he has firmly backtracked to say that the use of progressive was just to make his demo run quicker and that he NEVER Uses progressive systems. Progressions are not at the heart of his method.
He's got himself in a tangle, so is taking a few days out of the thread while he gets his story straightm or until we too get our story muddled.
His favourite casino has purportedly stopped taking his bets. No doubt other casinos will follow suit, shortly, thus stymying his attempt to demo his prowess.
And to buy him time, he's going off the forum for family matters.
Meanwhile... EB demonstrates and proves Nothing, Nada, Zilch.
Going away from the forum when the heat is on... It's happened before. It'll happen again.
Quote: OnceDearQuote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBobSomebody pm'd me, somebody that I respect, and said that just because you found a way to make money from a casino game does not mean you've beaten the game. It just means you found a workaround, a hack, that consistently makes your money. This does not mean that you've beaten the game.
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EB is getting desperate and trying to backpeddle now that EVERYONE is calling him out and he realizes he's painted himself into a corner about providing evidence....
"Well, maybe I haven't technically BEAT the game, I've just gotten lucky...."
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Very much so. He implies here and a few places that he was going to use a progressive (A flat-betting d'Alembert that was not a martingale, but which was identical to a Martingale and nothing like flat-betting or d'Alembert)... He was going to use that progressive to prove that he can win every session, like someone he trusts has told him is foolproof .....
But now he has firmly backtracked to say that the use of progressive was just to make his demo run quicker and that he NEVER Uses progressive systems. Progressions are not at the heart of his method.
He's got himself in a tangle, so is taking a few days out of the thread while he gets his story straightm or until we too get our story muddled.
His favourite casino has purportedly stopped taking his bets. No doubt other casinos will follow suit, shortly, thus stymying his attempt to demo his prowess.
And to buy him time, he's going off the forum for family matters.
Meanwhile... EB demonstrates and proves Nothing, Nada, Zilch.
Going away from the forum when the heat is on... It's happened before. It'll happen again.
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Quote: GandlerQuote: OnceDear
But now he has firmly backtracked to say that the use of progressive was just to make his demo run quicker and that he NEVER Uses progressive systems. Progressions are not at the heart of his method.
He's got himself in a tangle, so is taking a few days out of the thread while he gets his story straightm or until we too get our story muddled.
His favourite casino has purportedly stopped taking his bets. No doubt other casinos will follow suit, shortly, thus stymying his attempt to demo his prowess.
And to buy him time, he's going off the forum for family matters.
Meanwhile... EB demonstrates and proves Nothing, Nada, Zilch.
Going away from the forum when the heat is on... It's happened before. It'll happen again.
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One day, we'll look back to page 74 of this thread and ask ourselves ...
"Why did we have let it drag on for so long"
"Why did we not realise that EvenBob would never demonstrate anything"
"How did we allow ourselves to be strung along to 150 pages of nothingness"
"When do we get to 'Can Roulette Be Beaten 2'"
And Nothing ever happens. Nothing happens at all. The needle returns to the start of the song and we all sing along like before. And we'll all be lonely tonight and lonely tomorrow.
Quote: EvenBobFamily reunion weekend so I'll be gone till Monday.
Bring lots of Purina Cat Chow to feed them, a laser pointer to exercise them and some catnip to relax them.
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But now he has firmly backtracked to say that the use of progressive was just to make his demo run quicker and that he NEVER Uses progressive systems. Progressions are not at the heart of his method.
He's got himself in a tangle, so is taking a few days out of the thread while he gets his story straightm or until we too get our story muddled.
His favourite casino has purportedly stopped taking his bets. No doubt other casinos will follow suit, shortly, thus stymying his attempt to demo his prowess.
And to buy him time, he's going off the forum for family matters.
Meanwhile... EB demonstrates and proves Nothing, Nada, Zilch.
Going away from the forum when the heat is on... It's happened before. It'll happen again.
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One day, we'll look back to page 74 of this thread and ask ourselves ...
"Why did we have let it drag on for so long"
"Why did we not realise that EvenBob would never demonstrate anything"
"How did we allow ourselves to be strung along to 150 pages of nothingness"
"When do we get to 'Can Roulette Be Beaten 2'"
And Nothing ever happens. Nothing happens at all. The needle returns to the start of the song and we all sing along like before. And we'll all be lonely tonight and lonely tomorrow.
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I should not admit this because it may be viewed as encouragement, but this is one of the most entertaining threads I have read online. It is almost a 13-year soap opera with it's start by defending a mystery friend who can beat roulette, to becoming convinced that they can do it themselves, to becoming a believer of the system, to defending this system without clearly explaining much more than either pattern reignition or prediction, to becoming an IT support thread to regain betting accsess.
So this is either one of the longest running troll threads on the internet, longest running self-deluding threads on the internet, or somebody who is actually has a roulette system that they are dying to share with the world but don't want to reveal too much. (And, yes I am aware that two of these options are far more likely than one of them.) But, at this point any of the three make this thread impressive in separate ways.
It is like a bad TV show that has been on for far too long, where you basically know what is going to happen, but you still have to tune in every week to see how it plays out.
Quote: EvenBobFamily reunion weekend so I'll be gone till Monday.
This is the one time a year you see your wife right?
Quote: Gandler
I should not admit this because it may be viewed as encouragement, but this is one of the most entertaining threads I have read online. It is almost a 13-year soap opera with it's start by defending a mystery friend who can beat roulette, to becoming convinced that they can do it themselves, to becoming a believer of the system, to defending this system without clearly explaining much more than either pattern reignition or prediction, to becoming an IT support thread to regain betting accsess.
So this is either one of the longest running troll threads on the internet, longest running self-deluding threads on the internet, or somebody who is actually has a roulette system that they are dying to share with the world but don't want to reveal too much.
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It's not a soap opera, it's not self-delusion, it's the evolution of somebody who found a way to get around a casino game and make money doing it consistently. I used to share nothing and I mean nothing, because I thought it would be too easy to learn. Little did I know that number one, nobody wants to learn it and number two, it's not that easy. I have over 50,000 posts here and over on the other channel not to mention other forums I've been on and obviously people hate to admit it, but I'm not a poorly spoken moron who knows nothing about nothing and just loves trolling. That's ridiculous, it's not even an insult because it's just dumb. I have thousands of posts on the other forum of me talking to a Catholic priest for about 5 years, is that what trolls do, have intelligent conversation about religion with verified Catholic priests? And I gave him a run for his money and he knows it that's why he kept talking to me.
So this thread is just the evolution of something that I've been doing since 2004 and talking about online since 2006.
Quote: JohnzimboQuote: EvenBobFamily reunion weekend so I'll be gone till Monday.
This is the one time a year you see your wife right?
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I know you're intent in making the comment but I actually spent more time today with my wife then I have in a really long time. And although I really love my wife, would not want to replace her with anybody else, I'm glad these days are few and far between. Maybe other men are great at getting along with women but I have very little in common with them even when I know them well. When I had the bar 40 years ago I used to listen to women's conversations when I was bartending and I learned women love to talk about three things. First and foremost their children, secondly their jobs and lastly they love to talk about themselves. Men on the other hand almost exclusively talk about sports, what's in the news, cars and vehicles, their jobs, and maybe what's on TV that they enjoy. Notice what I left out is neither men or women talk much about the opposite sex, very rarely did I hear conversations about relationships unless they were in a bad one. Then that's all the women talked about, but with the men they would never even mention it. Maybe it's different in other places but that's what was where I worked and I certainly haven't found it any different in the last 40 years.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: Gandler
I should not admit this because it may be viewed as encouragement, but this is one of the most entertaining threads I have read online. It is almost a 13-year soap opera with it's start by defending a mystery friend who can beat roulette, to becoming convinced that they can do it themselves, to becoming a believer of the system, to defending this system without clearly explaining much more than either pattern reignition or prediction, to becoming an IT support thread to regain betting accsess.
So this is either one of the longest running troll threads on the internet, longest running self-deluding threads on the internet, or somebody who is actually has a roulette system that they are dying to share with the world but don't want to reveal too much.
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It's not a soap opera, it's not self-delusion, it's the evolution of somebody who found a way to get around a casino game and make money doing it consistently. I used to share nothing and I mean nothing, because I thought it would be too easy to learn. Little did I know that number one, nobody wants to learn it and number two, it's not that easy. I have over 50,000 posts here and over on the other channel not to mention other forums I've been on and obviously people hate to admit it, but I'm not a poorly spoken moron who knows nothing about nothing and just loves trolling. That's ridiculous, it's not even an insult because it's just dumb. I have thousands of posts on the other forum of me talking to a Catholic priest for about 5 years, is that what trolls do, have intelligent conversation about religion with verified Catholic priests? And I gave him a run for his money and he knows it that's why he kept talking to me.
So this thread is just the evolution of something that I've been doing since 2004 and talking about online since 2006.
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I have no idea man, I am not a member of any gambling forums besides this one. And, aside from here and DT online, I have not interacted with you at all anywhere else, so I have no idea what you have been posting on other forums or social media regarding gambling activities.
Also, I posted this not as an insult or provocation (I only posted it this weekend because I specifically thought you said you would be away until Monday and hence would never see it.)
But, yes, I stand by what I said there, are three options: 1. Trolling. 2. Self-deluding. 3. You have something and are genuinely reluctant to share, but really want to.
I have actually been pretty open-minded and made several suggestions about how you can establish your claims in a way that would be impressive. I tend to take people at their word, but if you have been doing this even longer online than your history here (back to 2006 or earlier) other places, and have not provided any kind of evidence (because if you have posted evidence to other sites I am sure you would have instantly posted a link to it.)
If you have been doing this for (multiple apparently) decades online where you just tell people you can win and they have to believe you, people are going to want proof.
Being able to consistently predict the results of any live roulette wheel would be an impressive talent (and frankly you could probably make more money by doing shows to get back to your Annie Oakley analogy, than grinding online.) Heck you could probably make a significant amount of money just from this forum by people who would be willing to bet against you for the results of a live challenge.
I don't understand your point of debating a Catholic Preist for 5 years about religion. You can have great debates on all kinds of issues, that does not mean you have a profitable roulette system.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: Gandler
I should not admit this because it may be viewed as encouragement, but this is one of the most entertaining threads I have read online. It is almost a 13-year soap opera with it's start by defending a mystery friend who can beat roulette, to becoming convinced that they can do it themselves, to becoming a believer of the system, to defending this system without clearly explaining much more than either pattern reignition or prediction, to becoming an IT support thread to regain betting accsess.
So this is either one of the longest running troll threads on the internet, longest running self-deluding threads on the internet, or somebody who is actually has a roulette system that they are dying to share with the world but don't want to reveal too much.
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It's not a soap opera, it's not self-delusion, it's the evolution of somebody who found a way to get around a casino game and make money doing it consistently. I used to share nothing and I mean nothing, because I thought it would be too easy to learn. Little did I know that number one, nobody wants to learn it and number two, it's not that easy. I have over 50,000 posts here and over on the other channel not to mention other forums I've been on and obviously people hate to admit it, but I'm not a poorly spoken moron who knows nothing about nothing and just loves trolling. That's ridiculous, it's not even an insult because it's just dumb. I have thousands of posts on the other forum of me talking to a Catholic priest for about 5 years, is that what trolls do, have intelligent conversation about religion with verified Catholic priests? And I gave him a run for his money and he knows it that's why he kept talking to me.
So this thread is just the evolution of something that I've been doing since 2004 and talking about online since 2006.
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SO WHAT!!!
tuttigym
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Being able to consistently predict the results of any live roulette wheel would be an impressive talent....
I don't understand your point of debating a Catholic Preist for 5 years about religion. You can have great debates on all kinds of issues, that does not mean you have a profitable roulette system.
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I don't predict anything, I don't have a crystal ball. I just fill in the blanks and I've learned how to be right more often than wrong. It's all about pattern recognition and what a real roulette wheel does and doesn't do. When I recognize what it's doing and what it might be doing for the next few spins I can make some bets that pay off. I used to say I beat the game, but it's been brought to my attention that I'm not really beating it, I just found a way around it for brief periods of time. That sounds more right to me than saying that you're beating it.
My point of mentioning the priest was if I'm trolling, if that's what I am is a troll, why am I spending years and thousands of posts having a fruitful conversation with a Catholic priest. That isn't what trolls do. Point of fact is I'm not trolling, I'm not self-deluded, I look for patterns and fill in the blanks, patterns and trends. It ain't rocket science and it's not really that hard but it takes a long time to learn.
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Is this one of those Zen koan problems that a zen master will give you? Like, what is the sound of one hand clapping? So What! It is kind of mysterious and baffling, good one on you.. So what indeed, how do you answer something like that.
Quote: billryanShuada Sadaqat, professionally known as Sinead O'Connor, was an ordained Catholic Priest. Quite a coincidence.
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Not really, because the people who ordained her are not recognized for the Roman Catholic Church.
"In 1999, O'Connor was ordained as a priest by the Irish Orthodox Catholic and Apostolic Church, an Independent Catholic sect that is not recognised by the Roman Catholic Church."
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I should not admit this because it may be viewed as encouragement, but this is one of the most entertaining threads I have read online. It is almost a 13-year soap opera with it's start by defending a mystery friend who can beat roulette, to becoming convinced that they can do it themselves, to becoming a believer of the system, to defending this system without clearly explaining much more than either pattern reignition or prediction, to becoming an IT support thread to regain betting accsess.
So this is either one of the longest running troll threads on the internet, longest running self-deluding threads on the internet, or somebody who is actually has a roulette system that they are dying to share with the world but don't want to reveal too much.
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It's not a soap opera, it's not self-delusion, it's the evolution of somebody who found a way to get around a casino game and make money doing it consistently. I used to share nothing and I mean nothing, because I thought it would be too easy to learn. Little did I know that number one, nobody wants to learn it and number two, it's not that easy. I have over 50,000 posts here and over on the other channel not to mention other forums I've been on and obviously people hate to admit it, but I'm not a poorly spoken moron who knows nothing about nothing and just loves trolling. That's ridiculous, it's not even an insult because it's just dumb. I have thousands of posts on the other forum of me talking to a Catholic priest for about 5 years, is that what trolls do, have intelligent conversation about religion with verified Catholic priests? And I gave him a run for his money and he knows it that's why he kept talking to me.
So this thread is just the evolution of something that I've been doing since 2004 and talking about online since 2006.
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I have no idea man, I am not a member of any gambling forums besides this one. And, aside from here and DT online, I have not interacted with you at all anywhere else, so I have no idea what you have been posting on other forums or social media regarding gambling activities.
Also, I posted this not as an insult or provocation (I only posted it this weekend because I specifically thought you said you would be away until Monday and hence would never see it.)
But, yes, I stand by what I said there, are three options: 1. Trolling. 2. Self-deluding. 3. You have something and are genuinely reluctant to share, but really want to.
I have actually been pretty open-minded and made several suggestions about how you can establish your claims in a way that would be impressive. I tend to take people at their word, but if you have been doing this even longer online than your history here (back to 2006 or earlier) other places, and have not provided any kind of evidence (because if you have posted evidence to other sites I am sure you would have instantly posted a link to it.)
If you have been doing this for (multiple apparently) decades online where you just tell people you can win and they have to believe you, people are going to want proof.
Being able to consistently predict the results of any live roulette wheel would be an impressive talent (and frankly you could probably make more money by doing shows to get back to your Annie Oakley analogy, than grinding online.) Heck you could probably make a significant amount of money just from this forum by people who would be willing to bet against you for the results of a live challenge.
I don't understand your point of debating a Catholic Preist for 5 years about religion. You can have great debates on all kinds of issues, that does not mean you have a profitable roulette system.
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The Catholic priest bit is just more of the look here I don't got nothing but I claim to.
In response to you EB just posted that he actually predicts nothing. All he does is look at patterns of previous spins and then predicts what the next result will be
More Lewis Carroll talk. He doesn't predict at all. Just sees patterns and then makes predictions.
It's contradicting like his flat betting Dalembert (but really Martingale) system.
Actually I think the Mad Hatter and Cheshire Cat made more sense
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Being able to consistently predict the results of any live roulette wheel would be an impressive talent....
I don't understand your point of debating a Catholic Preist for 5 years about religion. You can have great debates on all kinds of issues, that does not mean you have a profitable roulette system.
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I don't predict anything, I don't have a crystal ball. I just fill in the blanks and I've learned how to be right more often than wrong. It's all about pattern recognition and what a real roulette wheel does and doesn't do. When I recognize what it's doing and what it might be doing for the next few spins I can make some bets that pay off. I used to say I beat the game, but it's been brought to my attention that I'm not really beating it, I just found a way around it for brief periods of time. That sounds more right to me than saying that you're beating it.
My point of mentioning the priest was if I'm trolling, if that's what I am is a troll, why am I spending years and thousands of posts having a fruitful conversation with a Catholic priest. That isn't what trolls do. Point of fact is I'm not trolling, I'm not self-deluded, I look for patterns and fill in the blanks, patterns and trends. It ain't rocket science and it's not really that hard but it takes a long time to learn.
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That is a prediction, you are predicting the results based on prior results and your feel of the wheel. Whether or not your prediction system works is the debate.
You can have thousands of legitimate posts, and still make a troll thread for various motives, these are also not mutually exclusive.
But, we can prove this is not a troll thread right now (since you clearly are staying online this weekend despite earlier claims), are you resuming the challenge or posting logs?
Axel made a good point last week, that you don't even need to bet, many people have access to casino quality live roulette wheels on here (and there are endless places that livestream roulette from active casinos where the feed could be pulled if you don't want to use somebody's personal roulette wheel.) It could be easy to setup a livestream of a roulette wheel where you just have to predict the outcome for 40 spins in row (or whatever the current number people are saying now) before "betting ends" each spin. This would avoid having to reveal anything about a specific casino or amounts played (just verbal predictions.)
You started a challenge before and mysteriously stopped. You are drumming a lot of attention to your claims, so you have a motivation behind it.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: billryanShuada Sadaqat, professionally known as Sinead O'Connor, was an ordained Catholic Priest. Quite a coincidence.
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Not really, because the people who ordained her are not recognized for the Roman Catholic Church.
"In 1999, O'Connor was ordained as a priest by the Irish Orthodox Catholic and Apostolic Church, an Independent Catholic sect that is not recognised by the Roman Catholic Church."
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No one said she was a Roman Catholic Priest. There are at least twenty Catholic Churches, with the Roman Catholic being the largest.
For what it's worth- The Irish Orthodox Catholic Church doesn't recognize The Roman Catholic Churchs claim to be the legitimate church. They say The RC Church was far too friendly with the oppressors and turned a blind eye to rampant child abuse.
O'Connor was a wild child and her local RC priest convinced her mother that some time in a workhouse would straighten out the fourteen-year-old. Sinead used her talents and her microphone to bring the dirty secrets of the church into the light.
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That is a prediction, you are predicting the results based on prior results and your feel of the wheel. Whether or not your prediction system works is the debate.
This has been a sore spot pet peeve of mine for years, I don't make predictions, weathermen make predictions. I make deductions, I make educated guesses, which are not predictions. Imagine if the weatherman came on TV and said he's going to make an educated guess as to what tomorrow's weather is going to be, He wouldn't be a weatherman very long. It's impossible to predict random outcomes, all you can do is make guesses and mine happen to be educated guesses. If you think I'm nitpicking, oh well. I don't have a crystal ball, I don't use Ouija boards and tarot cards, I don't make predictions. If you think you're into something unique and unusual here, believe me you are not. I've been arguing about this prediction thing for about 15 years now.
As far as your other questions go don't worry about it, everything's under control.
Quote: EvenBobI know you're intent in making the comment but I actually spent more time today with my wife then I have in a really long time. And although I really love my wife, would not want to replace her with anybody else, I'm glad these days are few and far between. Maybe other men are great at getting along with women but I have very little in common with them even when I know them well.
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You have my commiserations.
I'm currently heavily restricted, so I have get to spend the next 7 weeks or so with my wife. I have no idea if I'm we're strong enough to survive that.
Living (mostly) independently is great for us.
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No one said she was a Roman Catholic Priest.
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What you have to be is very specific about those things but I really don't want to get into it here because religion is not allowed on this forum and it's hijacking the thread anyway. I know I'm the one that brought it up and I probably shouldn't have.
