Can Roulette Be Beaten?
Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBobWhat is sad about it, you have lots of ways to replace your income if it goes away? My whole social security check is deposited into my investment account that mostly goes for my grandchildren's education eventually. Luckily I only have two grandchildren, thank God. I do have other Investments to provide some income but nothing like playing roulette does. All is not lost, obviously, I just have to figure out a way to make it look like I'm playing like a normal person. Because if this is a back off, it's only the beginning.
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"Man on social security relies on gambling income to pay bills."
Somebody explain to me how that isn't a sad state of affairs....
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LOL, I don't gamble, something you will never in 100 years understand.
Quote: OnceDear
It's a pity you have no crediility here, because We AP's try to help eachother, first and foremost.
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Yeah, The credibility I have here is what pays me when I when I play. Your priorities are kind of off track.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBobWhat is sad about it, you have lots of ways to replace your income if it goes away? My whole social security check is deposited into my investment account that mostly goes for my grandchildren's education eventually. Luckily I only have two grandchildren, thank God. I do have other Investments to provide some income but nothing like playing roulette does. All is not lost, obviously, I just have to figure out a way to make it look like I'm playing like a normal person. Because if this is a back off, it's only the beginning.
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"Man on social security relies on gambling income to pay bills."
Somebody explain to me how that isn't a sad state of affairs....
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LOL, I don't gamble, something you will never in 100 years understand.
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Gobbledygook answers can't be understood.
Like stating you only flat bet using the Dalembert.
Relying on one source of income is a gamble. Eggs in one basket is a gamble. Holding 'Investments' is a gamble. Holding savings at a time of high inflation is a gamble. And before saying you have eggs in many baskets, think back to where you realised that these online gaffs have backchannels.Quote: EvenBob
LOL, I don't gamble, something you will never in 100 years understand.
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Fortunately for you, you have an 80% hit rate on Even money wagers, You have a secret that is worth tens of billions. There are many thousands of casinos that would take your non-gamble wagers and would treat you like a king in the hope of winning back from you. You are only 100 wagers away from multi millionaire status. At ZERO risk.
Unfortunately for you, none of your claims stacked up to scrutiny. Still. This latest 'incident' is a nice distraction for the peanut gallery.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDear
It's a pity you have no crediility here, because We AP's try to help eachother, first and foremost.
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Yeah, The credibility I have here is what pays me when I when I play. Your priorities are kind of off track.
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My priority veered towards trying to help you. But yeah. they went off track. Good luck Mr Curmudgeon, on your own against the casino industry.
You are an AP now? You're so lucky the search functions on this website suck. Oh, the things you have said, and the many hypothetical contradictions you have made.Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkozQuote: MentalHe didn't even try clearing out his cache or using a different device. He just presumed the instructions he received from support were wrong. Googling would be too much to ask since he really wants an excuse not to play and also a pretext to further his bogus claim that he is a winner.Quote: TigerWuOkay, maybe a stupid question, but did you try googling "Your bet was not confirmed (name of the casino you're using)?" If someone else has had the same problem, maybe someone is talking about it.
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I have had numerous nasty e-mails suspending my account and withdrawals temporarily while they investigate me. I have been thrown out of one online joint. There is no mistaking when a casino doesn't like your play. EBs's situation sounds like a problem with the cookies all sites leave on your computer.
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I've said this before.
EB reads about AP's and desperately, dreamily wants to be one and doesn't know how (he can try learning the difference between a Dalembert and a Martingale to start).
Anyway the timing that his account is having problems literally the day after Wizard responded to his winning roulette claims is highly suspicious.
EB is being evicted from online casinos for beating roulette or 18 yo's in a row. Which to believe more likely?
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Whatever. More blah blah blah. The truth is I'm totally dependent on this money now to pay all my bills and if I'm getting backed off I have to know it so I can change my play somehow which is going to be a lot more work. Just today they delivered an expensive new deep freeze that I paid for with Casino money because my brother-in-law is involved with the church food pantry he tells me every month they have leftover frozen food that they have to get rid of because they don't have a space for it at the church and he got five big turkey breast for me and two whole frozen turkeys for nothing. So I bought a new freezer because it's obviously an AP situation. I got the money being an AP and I'm getting the turkeys as an AP move. My cats love turkey and so do I. I can't afford not to get this casino issue settled this is way more than a hobby for me. At my age I have no way to replace this income.
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There's like zero chance you are an Advantage Player. You don't even know the difference between hit rate and edge. You don't seem to understand simple gaming math concepts. Roulette in and of itself can not be Advantage Played in the way you claim.
You could possibly have an advantage over the casino if you were using bonuses and employing the correct strategies.
IIRC you've said in the past you wanted nothing to do with bonuses.
Quote: AxelWolfYou are an AP now? You're so lucky the search functions on this website suck. Oh, the things you have said, and the many hypothetical contradictions you have made.Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkozQuote: MentalHe didn't even try clearing out his cache or using a different device. He just presumed the instructions he received from support were wrong. Googling would be too much to ask since he really wants an excuse not to play and also a pretext to further his bogus claim that he is a winner.Quote: TigerWuOkay, maybe a stupid question, but did you try googling "Your bet was not confirmed (name of the casino you're using)?" If someone else has had the same problem, maybe someone is talking about it.
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I have had numerous nasty e-mails suspending my account and withdrawals temporarily while they investigate me. I have been thrown out of one online joint. There is no mistaking when a casino doesn't like your play. EBs's situation sounds like a problem with the cookies all sites leave on your computer.
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I've said this before.
EB reads about AP's and desperately, dreamily wants to be one and doesn't know how (he can try learning the difference between a Dalembert and a Martingale to start).
Anyway the timing that his account is having problems literally the day after Wizard responded to his winning roulette claims is highly suspicious.
EB is being evicted from online casinos for beating roulette or 18 yo's in a row. Which to believe more likely?
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Whatever. More blah blah blah. The truth is I'm totally dependent on this money now to pay all my bills and if I'm getting backed off I have to know it so I can change my play somehow which is going to be a lot more work. Just today they delivered an expensive new deep freeze that I paid for with Casino money because my brother-in-law is involved with the church food pantry he tells me every month they have leftover frozen food that they have to get rid of because they don't have a space for it at the church and he got five big turkey breast for me and two whole frozen turkeys for nothing. So I bought a new freezer because it's obviously an AP situation. I got the money being an AP and I'm getting the turkeys as an AP move. My cats love turkey and so do I. I can't afford not to get this casino issue settled this is way more than a hobby for me. At my age I have no way to replace this income.
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There's like zero chance you are an Advantage Player. You don't even know the difference between hit rate and edge. You don't seem to understand simple gaming math concepts. Roulette in and of itself can not be Advantage Played in the way you claim.
You could possibly have an advantage over the casino if you were using bonuses and employing the correct strategies.
IIRC you've said in the past you wanted nothing to do with bonuses.
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My God I got sick of explaining what I write so you can understand it. I've never had anybody on any forum be more wrong about things I've written than you. I'm sick of correcting you I'm not going to do it anymore it's a waste of time. I'll just have to repeat myself again in a month because you will have forgotten everything.
Quote: EvenBob
LOL, I don't gamble, something you will never in 100 years understand.
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Yes, you do, you've admitted it multiple times.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBob
LOL, I don't gamble, something you will never in 100 years understand.
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Yes, you do, you've admitted it multiple times.
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Ground rules.......
gamble
găm′bəl
intransitive verb
To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest.
To play a game of chance for stakes.
To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit.
Which part of gamble do you not do?
Quote: EvenBob
Balance is between 50 and 100 I never keep more than that in there because I don't need to. Yesterday I withdrew $25 and 2 hours later deposited back into the account, not a problem. Everything works, everything is as it should be except it won't let me bet. I don't play the same Casino week in and week out, I play at multiple casinos but this one is my favorite because they have three live roulette wheels duh the others only have two. So now you're saying that it is a back off? Make up your mind.
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Quote: EvenBobAnd there's plenty of money in my balance.
LOL.
I would 86 you from my online casino for being a big nuisance. You're costing them money with all the transaction fees and wasted resources to process your transactions.
Quote: AxelWolf
LOL.
I would 86 you from my online casino for being a big nuisance. You're costing them money with all the transaction fees and wasted resources to process your transactions.
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Maybe someone in this forum works at that casino and they're banning him out of spite...LOL....
Quote: OnceDear
Ground rules.......
gamble
găm′bəl
intransitive verb
To bet on an uncertain outcome,
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Bingo! My outcomes that I bet on are never uncertain, there's an extremely good chance I'm going to win or I wouldn't bet. If you only knew how risk adverse I am you wouldn't believe it. I don't like it, and in roulette I've reduced the risk to the smallest amount possible. In other words I never Gamble. You can give me $100 and stick me in a casino that has nothing but slot machines and I'll have that same hundred dollars in my pocket when I leave because I will put a dime of it in a slot machine.
Quote: EvenBobLOL, I don't gamble, something you will never in 100 years understand.
How interesting and refreshing to hear you admit that you don't gamble, and by inference that you've made up this entire "I win eitghty percent of the time" roulette claim.
The truth will set you free, EB, but you'll still be a slave to those cats.
Quote: EvenBobBingo! My outcomes that I bet on are never uncertain, there's an extremely good chance I'm going to win or I wouldn't bet. If you only knew how risk adverse I am you wouldn't believe it. I don't like it, and in roulette I've reduced the risk to the smallest amount possible. In other words I never Gamble. You can give me $100 and stick me in a casino that has nothing but slot machines and I'll have that same hundred dollars in my pocket when I leave because I will put a dime of it in a slot machine.
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkozDoes any AP on here remember the last time their account may have been a back off and they contacted the host who gave them instructions on how to fix the issue and actually mentioned they were in good standing?
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Does anybody here have experience with state run casinos, offshore casinos do not count. So far it sounds like I'm the only one here that plays at state run Casinos.
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I do, but not in your State.
There is virtually a zero chance that you were banned or backed off. Casinos are very upfront when they ban APs (even online). There is no reason for them to hide the ball. The fact that multiple employees are working to help you figure out how to restore access shows that it is an error either on your end or their end.
And, in most States (I would guess yours in the same), any kind of ban or restriction that limits access to your funds would require clear and quick justification to the customer.
But if you believe it to be the case that the casino would risk their license and a lawsuit to seize your 50 dollars, you should contact your State's gaming enforcement (and a lawyer.)
The list of possible fixes try that they sent you would probably be a good place to start until you hear back more details.
It is possible that the reason the response is so slow is because thousands of accounts are affected and they do not have a fix yet (and are probably getting hundreds of emails an hour). Without knowing the name of the casino, there is no way for me to verify if this is the case.
Have you tried logging on through the App on your phone? (I am assuming this casino has one), and seeing what functions are available?
And yet there are many here that have echoed the fact that much of what you write regarding roulette doesn't make sense and contradicts what you have said. There are many examples.Quote: EvenBob
My God I got sick of explaining what I write so you can understand it.
In the name of all that is holy, Gordon, why would you do this to yourself??? Was it some sort of Mod penance Mike made you do? ;)Quote: gordonm888...diligently reading every post in this thread to date.
Quote: AxelWolfQuote: EvenBob
Balance is between 50 and 100 I never keep more than that in there because I don't need to. Yesterday I withdrew $25 and 2 hours later deposited back into the account, not a problem. Everything works, everything is as it should be except it won't let me bet. I don't play the same Casino week in and week out, I play at multiple casinos but this one is my favorite because they have three live roulette wheels duh the others only have two. So now you're saying that it is a back off? Make up your mind.
link to original postQuote: EvenBobAnd there's plenty of money in my balance.
LOL.
I would 86 you from my online casino for being a big nuisance. You're costing them money with all the transaction fees and wasted resources to process your transactions.
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It varies by State, but generally deposits and withdrawals are heavily protected in legal casinos, and charging transaction fees or barring too many withdrawals is prohibited.
They can do things to make it annoying for multiple withdraws like force you to provide a scanned recent bank statement for each (in many states they can even force you to notarize it before scanning if they want to get really silly) and corresponding ID for every ACH withdrawal request (I have never seen this for "deposit verification" ironically, they seem more concerned about money going out for some reason), but they have to promptly pay (this is the standard in all States) if there are no pending verification claims, they need to send the funds as long as it is over the state minimum (often 1-10 dollars.) And, you can always go to the casino in person for prompt payment of any amount with the standard verification.
But, banning somebody for withdrawing too frequently or too small would be a huge red flag in most States.
While I am not defending his withdrawal system or bankroll management in general, this is actually a massive benefit of legit online casinos, you can't be forced into very arbitrary withdraw systems with massive fees (at most they can make it slightly more annoying, and you can just show up in person to the registered local casino, and get the money on the spot at the cage if you don't feel like dealing with it.)
I didn't assume they could or would. I just saying I would. I'm not even buying his pretend paranoia. It's all designed to make us believe he is beating roulette.Quote: GandlerQuote: AxelWolfQuote: EvenBob
Balance is between 50 and 100 I never keep more than that in there because I don't need to. Yesterday I withdrew $25 and 2 hours later deposited back into the account, not a problem. Everything works, everything is as it should be except it won't let me bet. I don't play the same Casino week in and week out, I play at multiple casinos but this one is my favorite because they have three live roulette wheels duh the others only have two. So now you're saying that it is a back off? Make up your mind.
link to original postQuote: EvenBobAnd there's plenty of money in my balance.
LOL.
I would 86 you from my online casino for being a big nuisance. You're costing them money with all the transaction fees and wasted resources to process your transactions.
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It varies by State, but generally deposits and withdrawals are heavily protected in legal casinos, and charging transaction fees or barring too many withdrawals is prohibited.
They can do things to make it annoying for multiple withdraws like force you to provide a scanned recent bank statement for each (in many states they can even force you to notarize it before scanning if they want to get really silly) and corresponding ID for every ACH withdrawal request (I have never seen this for "deposit verification" ironically, they seem more concerned about money going out for some reason), but they have to promptly pay (this is the standard in all States) if there are no pending verification claims, they need to send the funds as long as it is over the state minimum (often 1-10 dollars.) And, you can always go to the casino in person for prompt payment of any amount with the standard verification.
But, banning somebody for withdrawing too frequently or too small would be a huge red flag in most States.
While I am not defending his withdrawal system or bankroll management in general, this is actually a massive benefit of legit online casinos, you can't be forced into very arbitrary withdraw systems with massive fees (at most they can make it slightly more annoying, and you can just show up in person to the registered local casino, and get the money on the spot at the cage if you don't feel like dealing with it.)
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Even Bob said it himself a while ago, people are betting 10's of thousands so why would they bother with a small fry like himself?
Quote: AxelWolfI didn't assume they could or would. I just saying I would. I'm not even buying his pretend paranoia. It's all designed to make us believe he is beating roulette.Quote: GandlerQuote: AxelWolfQuote: EvenBob
Balance is between 50 and 100 I never keep more than that in there because I don't need to. Yesterday I withdrew $25 and 2 hours later deposited back into the account, not a problem. Everything works, everything is as it should be except it won't let me bet. I don't play the same Casino week in and week out, I play at multiple casinos but this one is my favorite because they have three live roulette wheels duh the others only have two. So now you're saying that it is a back off? Make up your mind.
link to original postQuote: EvenBobAnd there's plenty of money in my balance.
LOL.
I would 86 you from my online casino for being a big nuisance. You're costing them money with all the transaction fees and wasted resources to process your transactions.
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It varies by State, but generally deposits and withdrawals are heavily protected in legal casinos, and charging transaction fees or barring too many withdrawals is prohibited.
They can do things to make it annoying for multiple withdraws like force you to provide a scanned recent bank statement for each (in many states they can even force you to notarize it before scanning if they want to get really silly) and corresponding ID for every ACH withdrawal request (I have never seen this for "deposit verification" ironically, they seem more concerned about money going out for some reason), but they have to promptly pay (this is the standard in all States) if there are no pending verification claims, they need to send the funds as long as it is over the state minimum (often 1-10 dollars.) And, you can always go to the casino in person for prompt payment of any amount with the standard verification.
But, banning somebody for withdrawing too frequently or too small would be a huge red flag in most States.
While I am not defending his withdrawal system or bankroll management in general, this is actually a massive benefit of legit online casinos, you can't be forced into very arbitrary withdraw systems with massive fees (at most they can make it slightly more annoying, and you can just show up in person to the registered local casino, and get the money on the spot at the cage if you don't feel like dealing with it.)
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Even Bob said it himself a while ago, people are betting 10's of thousands so why would they bother with a small fry like himself?
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I agree they would not. I just think defending withdrawal protections is important.
Quote: MentalOMG, d'Alembert was born over 300 years ago. Both Martingale and even money roulette bets have been around for over 200 years. Nothing new has been written about any of this in 100 years. It is as if this were a music forum, and the biggest threads were "Perry Como or Vic Damone?" and "The vinyl LP record format just a fad and shellac 78 RPM records are here to stay".Quote: darkozIt's funny how once this Roulette expert got caught unable to tell the difference between a Dalembert and a Martingale he hasn't made a single post in this thread.
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There are hundreds of new casino games being offered and some of them have serious leaks. Why can't we generate any interest in discussing them? Instead, we are wasting time and energy on this futile discussion about gambling questions that were settled before the US Civil War. The casinos have tons of money and there is only a limited time to win it all from them. I am doing my part.
Let's focus, people.
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This thread is a modern day book code. The people in the know understand it.
EB is not using roulette to pay his bills.
IF EB has an account that is having a technical issue it is not because they are backing him off.
EB has shown such a lack of understanding of basic math concepts, basic gambling concepts, even basic ways to fabricate a story to make it even remotely believable, that all of his claims are suspect. I ask the forum, why would anyone actually believe a single thing EB says about roulette/gambling?
Back to watching TV…..
Quote: SOOPOOI ask the forum, why would anyone actually believe a single thing EB says about roulette/gambling?
He was laughed at and mocked at Gamblers Glen, and the same thing is happening here.
I see his "pattern."
we are far too polite, in spite of his best efforts.Quote: MrVQuote: SOOPOOI ask the forum, why would anyone actually believe a single thing EB says about roulette/gambling?
He was laughed at and mocked at Gamblers Glen, and the same thing is happening here.
I see his "pattern."
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Before we can believe him, we have to understand him. Understanding his garbled and contradictory prose is one obstacle. But I think we can understand his psyche and motivation by now.
I hate 'contacting service' so I have no idea what the problem actually was
PS: if you believe Bob relies on roulette to pay his bills, I've got a bridge I want to sell you
I was involved in a leaderboard competition recently, and I was close to a bubble with about 12 minutes to go until the end. I got a technical error popping up saying if the problem persists that I should contact support.Quote: odiousgambitrecently with BetMGM VA all of a sudden I couldn't place bets on my laptop. I didn't get a pop-up message at all, instead 'nothing happened' when I tried to bet. After waiting for months, better offers jad started coming in sp I didn't want to just stop playing, so I downloaded the app for a smartphone and used that ... worked fine. The laptop website wouldn't work for me for about 2 weeks, so I think it was not a general problem
I hate 'contacting service' so I have no idea what the problem actually was
PS: if you believe Bob relies on roulette to pay his bills, I've got a bridge I want to sell you
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Really? Support might get back to me 'promptly' 12 hours after the leaderboard ended. I tried three other games from the same vendor that were eligible for the leaderboard. They all popped up the same technical error message. I was hoping that my competition was also being shut out by the same problems. I switched to my mobile device, and one of the same games loaded up, so I resumed play. I played max bet until the end of the leaderboard. I think I netted $3000 of EV by getting back in action. After the leaderboard ended, I went back to the desktop. One of the games was functioning properly. The others came back up within a few hours.
I also hate contacting support because they usually are clueless and very slow to respond. I like playing under the radar. In this case, contacting support was not the optimal action. You have no idea how common game and promo glitches are until you go online and try it yourself.
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Still cannot place a bet at this casino and everything looks completely normal. If I was going to back somebody off in a state-run casino this is exactly how I would do it. The casino would be in big trouble if they closed my account and seized my balance so they don't do any of that. They make it look like everything's fine and dandy I just can't make any bets. Problem solved for them and I still have my money. If I don't like it go play someplace else.
So now I have to figure out how to make it look like I'm withdrawing and depositing like a normal player only I'm coming out ahead. Maybe if I up my daily goal for winning and take that extra money every day and lose it in the slot machines and then make deposits to cover those losses frequently. In the meantime I'll be winning at roulette. In any case I've got to figure out something to do that doesn't draw attention to me.
This is very interesting because I've never thought about it that way. I suppose it's like staring at the ocean wanting to find a way to get across it so I build a ship and sail across the ocean to the other side. Does that mean I've beaten the ocean? Not at all, I just found a workaround that lets me use the ocean to get where I want to go. Perhaps me saying all these years that I've beaten roulette is the incorrect way to say it. Maybe saying I found a way to take advantage of roulette and make consistent money is a better way. I've discovered a hack that lets me use the random numbers that are occasionally in my favor to make a consistent profit. I'll have to think about this some more but I think I'm on to something.
Quote: ChumpChangeWithdraw money once a month.
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That's very close to what I do now I only withdraw money a few times a month but I never deposit any money that's the problem. I would think this is a computer generated issue, a computer spotted a player that has been playing for a while now who never makes any deposits but makes nothing but withdrawals. It would be like consistently leaving a grocery store with a cart full of groceries but never paying for them. Management is not going to tolerate that, they are there to make a profit not to give things away. In a grocery store that would be considered stealing, but casinos view consistent winners as thieves. You are taking something that they think rightfully belongs to them.
Quote: ChumpChangeI'd be hoping to turn $200 into $100K inside of 50 sessions. But roulette isn't my game atm.
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It should be because according to everybody here roulette is very easy to win at and what I'm doing is not hard at all. All you need is a good progression and you can come out a winner every time according to them. Bet selection is meaningless apparently, they say the progression is what you need.
Quote: ChumpChangeWithdraw money once a month.
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He's trying to keep it under $10,000. Thus,he needs frequent withdrawls.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: ChumpChangeI'd be hoping to turn $200 into $100K inside of 50 sessions. But roulette isn't my game atm.
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It should be because according to everybody here roulette is very easy to win at and what I'm doing is not hard at all. All you need is a good progression and you can come out a winner every time according to them. Bet selection is meaningless apparently, they say the progression is what you need.
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From 'Beating Roulette by flat betting' to 'Winning with a progression'
What a [expletive] Climbdown and crock of ....
Is EB claiming some sort of epiphany that negates and withdraws every facet of every claim that he ever made?
Why would he do that? Easy. He tied himself in a gordian knot. He has no 'off ramp' from the decade of total [expletive that rhymes with 'rollocks'] That he has spouted hither and thither.
I for one do not propose to let him off the hook so easily
"All you need is a good progression and you can come out a winner every time according to them."
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY here would say that with a straight face.
Quote: EvenBob...according to everybody here roulette is very easy to win at and what I'm doing is not hard at all. All you need is a good progression and you can come out a winner every time according to them.
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THIS IS A LIE. A LIE!!!!!!! NOBODY HERE HAS SAID THAT!!!!!
Quote: EvenBobI've discovered a hack that lets me use the random numbers that are occasionally in my favor to make a consistent profit. I'll have to think about this some more but I think I'm on to something.
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What a CROCK.
You claimed an 80% success rate on even money bets. That INCREDIBLE BET SELECTION was your claimed advantage.
Now you are claiming your 'method' is just a bog simple progressive.
You further claim that you've been told that progressives like this are commonly known to allow you to win every session.
I DO NOT BELIEVE that you received any such PM.
Quote: EvenBobGood grief. In order to file a complaint with the Michigan Gaming Control Board I first have to...
In the meantime I'll be winning at roulette. In any case I've got to figure out something to do that doesn't draw attention to me.
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Why would you want to complain? A complaint that your wagers fail to get confirmed would draw nothing but hearty laughter. Don't you get ridiculed enough here?
Quote: EvenBobGood grief. In order to file a complaint with the Michigan Gaming Control Board I first have to file a written complaint with the casino and they have 10 days give me a written response. After the 10 days is up and I'm still not satisfied only then can I file a written complaint with the Michigan Gaming Control Board and they will take another God knows how long to investigate. There is no live person to talk to.
"An authorized participant that has a complaint with an operator or platform provider
MUST FIRST FILE A WRITTEN COMPLAINT WITH THE RELEVANT
OPERATOR OR PLATFORM PROVIDER. The operator or platform provider must
investigate the complaint and provide a written response to the authorized participant
within 10 calendar days after receipt of the complaint. The operator’s or platform
provider’s response must advise the authorized participant of his or her right to submit
the complaint to the Board. If the complaint is not resolved to the satisfaction of the
authorized participant after all reasonable means to resolve the complaint with the
operator or platform provider have been exhausted, the authorized participant may file the
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Still cannot place a bet at this casino and everything looks completely normal. If I was going to back somebody off in a state-run casino this is exactly how I would do it. The casino would be in big trouble if they closed my account and seized my balance so they don't do any of that. They make it look like everything's fine and dandy I just can't make any bets. Problem solved for them and I still have my money. If I don't like it go play someplace else.
So now I have to figure out how to make it look like I'm withdrawing and depositing like a normal player only I'm coming out ahead. Maybe if I up my daily goal for winning and take that extra money every day and lose it in the slot machines and then make deposits to cover those losses frequently. In the meantime I'll be winning at roulette. In any case I've got to figure out something to do that doesn't draw attention to me.
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So you have to figure out how not to call attention to yourself.
You are starting that by making formal complaints to the gaming board which they will want an explanation.
Your explanation will be that you have found a hack or are just so good at roulette that you never lose and only withdraw money from the casino... And you want the gaming commission to force the casino to allow you to keep raping them because you believe you must be served
Of course conversely you can say nothing to the gaming board of your suspicion that this is the casino trying to back you off. In which case they will want to know what is the point of the complaint. If there is a technical issue give the casino a chance to fix it. They don't deal with fixing technical glitches.
And in either case the casino will be notified by gaming and they will tell their side of the story in which case now the gaming commission will find out you have been "hacking" their roulette.
Which about this sounds unbelievable and stupid?
tuttigym
Quote: darkozIf there is a technical issue give the casino a chance to fix it.
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I suspect the gaming board is very much on the side of the casino because that's where they make their money, the state makes millions off these casinos they make nothing from me. I can see the handwriting on the wall with this I'm not even going to bother filing anything. Either they fix it or they don't and if they don't I can only assume that I've been backed off. I woild be an absolute fool not to assume that. I've done everything on my end I can do. I have a new modem as of 6 months ago I have a brand new router as of two days ago, I just downloaded a geolocation app that they recommend and that did no good. They didn't tell me about it I had to read about it in their FAQ. I just have to figure out what I'm going to do at the other casinos from now on.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkozIf there is a technical issue give the casino a chance to fix it.
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I suspect the gaming board is very much on the side of the casino because that's where they make their money, the state makes millions off these casinos they make nothing from me. I can see the handwriting on the wall with this I'm not even going to bother filing anything. Either they fix it or they don't and if they don't I can only assume that I've been backed off. I woild be an absolute fool not to assume that. I've done everything on my end I can do. I have a new modem as of 6 months ago I have a brand new router as of two days ago, I just downloaded a geolocation app that they recommend and that did no good. They didn't tell me about it I had to read about it in their FAQ. I just have to figure out what I'm going to do at the other casinos from now on.
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SO WHAT!!!!
tuttigym
Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkozIf there is a technical issue give the casino a chance to fix it.
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I suspect the gaming board is very much on the side of the casino because that's where they make their money, the state makes millions off these casinos they make nothing from me. I can see the handwriting on the wall with this I'm not even going to bother filing anything. Either they fix it or they don't and if they don't I can only assume that I've been backed off. I woild be an absolute fool not to assume that. I've done everything on my end I can do. I have a new modem as of 6 months ago I have a brand new router as of two days ago, I just downloaded a geolocation app that they recommend and that did no good. They didn't tell me about it I had to read about it in their FAQ. I just have to figure out what I'm going to do at the other casinos from now on.
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As one who has dealt directly with Gaming Boards you do have it wrong. On an individual basis they tend to side for the players if there is a regulation against what is happening. They need to protect the income which will be lost of the casinos cheat.
The Michigan Internet regulations can be found here: https://www.michigan.gov/mgcb/-/media/Project/Websites/mgcb/Internet-Gaming-and-Fantasy-Contests/ActsandRules/Lawful_Internet_Gaming_Act_PA_152_of_2019.pdf?rev=cebcd69627d24920afe4a956175a898c&hash=F1EA951C6F5FA15052B81EBDBF26BEB2
Unless you have the math and facts to back that up you don't have an advantage therefore you are not taking advantage of roulette.Quote: EvenBobSomebody pm'd me, somebody that I respect, and said that just because you found a way to make money from a casino game does not mean you've beaten the game. It just means you found a workaround, a hack, that consistently makes your money. This does not mean that you've beaten the game.
This is very interesting because I've never thought about it that way. I suppose it's like staring at the ocean wanting to find a way to get across it so I build a ship and sail across the ocean to the other side. Does that mean I've beaten the ocean? Not at all, I just found a workaround that lets me use the ocean to get where I want to go. Perhaps me saying all these years that I've beaten roulette is the incorrect way to say it. Maybe saying I found a way to take advantage of roulette and make consistent money is a better way. I've discovered a hack that lets me use the random numbers that are occasionally in my favor to make a consistent profit. I'll have to think about this some more but I think I'm on to something.
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People said certain progressive betting systems should win more(More times/often)than they lose. They won't win more money than they lose. You eventually lose everything. How is it you don't know this? Read and comprehend what you yourself posted about what Mike said on the subject of betting systems. Considering you claim you didn't gamble and are risk reverse, you would go broke rather soon.
