PGP Very Bad Push
Player's hand:
Dealer's hand:
This unfortunately happened to the very nice guy sitting on my left.
My worst beat: 10s, 4s and As lose to. Ks, Js and As.
Quote: Nareed
This unfortunately happened to the very nice guy sitting on my left.
So he was only betting $1 on the bonus?
I see your bonus bet was $5 plus a tip bet of $2. I would infer that you were doing good.
He beat the dealer's 99 with a QQ but all he really had to do was beat it with anything, so I don't see this hand as particularly disappointing.
And his strong hand with the Kings got beat out by Aces....so he had good expectations but no guarantee it wouldn't happen.
At least its a Push which is common in Pai Gow Poker, so it ain't no loss. Be happy.
Quote: FleaStiffIt seems he had 15 dollars as the basic bet and One dollar on the bonus... and it pushed.
He beat the dealer's 99 with a QQ but all he really had to do was beat it with anything, so I don't see this hand as particularly disappointing.
And his strong hand with the Kings got beat out by Aces....so he had good expectations but no guarantee it wouldn't happen.
At least its a Push which is common in Pai Gow Poker, so it ain't no loss. Be happy.
Seems like you need a bigger screen. :)
I am sure he had more than 3 reds. And he didn't have any Q.
Quote: pokerfaceSeems like you need a bigger screen. :)
I am sure he had more than 3 reds. And he didn't have any Q.
I'm surprised the casino allows pictures.
Quote: pokerfaceSo he was only betting $1 on the bonus?
He was playing much smarter than me.
Quote:I see your bonus bet was $5 plus a tip bet of $2. I would infer that you were doing good.
I was in my last had and going for all I could get should I have a lucky deal. I didn't.
BTW For a while all other five players were betting $5 on the bonus, which has an envy payment. According to Gambling 102 by the Wizard, that brings the HE down to 1.20% for the bonus. That's a reasonable edge for a bonus bet. Of course you need to bet $5 to get the envy.
Earlier in the trip I lost five consecutive hands at the Downtown Grand. Four were no better than King high, and the very last was nine high. Alas, the DG has no Pai Gow insurance bet.
Still looks like three reds bet but it might be four.
Not particularly high stakes as many PGP tables are not high stakes, but for the amount bet it doesn't seem to be all that much of disappointment. It would never send me to the bar to drown my sorrows in booze to have that push.
Quote: FleaStiffIt seems he had 15 dollars as the basic bet and One dollar on the bonus... and it pushed.
He beat the dealer's 99 with a QQ but all he really had to do was beat it with anything, so I don't see this hand as particularly disappointing.
And his strong hand with the Kings got beat out by Aces....so he had good expectations but no guarantee it wouldn't happen.
At least its a Push which is common in Pai Gow Poker, so it ain't no loss. Be happy.
Quote: Lemieux66I'm surprised the casino allows pictures.
I didn't ask :)
I did ask the player, though, and gave him a WoO/WoV card. The play in the photos took place yesterday. he may yet show up here to see his push. i told him I'd be posting it.
Overall, though, I've never had a problem taking pictures in a casino.
Those are the things we tend to remember, though, not so much the times we get dealt absolute slop and push against the dealer's slop, though I imagine the sloppy pushes are much more frequent.
Quote: 98ClubsCan't quite tell the bet 3 or 4 red with a $ on side bet. Looks like a $25 side-bet winner.
I took the shot before the bonus payoff for the full house. What you see is the man's bet of either $20 or $25, and his $1 bonus bet.
Quote:Is the Emporer's Treasure ENVY pay if Dealer gets the hand, or Player? Quick look-up at WoO didn't have this one.
If a player does. I've no idea what happens if more than one player has an envy-paying hand. I assume only the highest hand gets the envy paid.
If I had been dealt this hand, I'd have played the aces up top with the 9s and 4s in the high hand.
If I had been dealt this hand, I'd have played the aces up top with the 9s and 4s in the high hand.
Quote: strictlyAPAnyone know of any place that has emporers hand and more then 100 limit on side bet
I know many places do that.
But, the bad news is that no place will pay more than 80K in bonus.
So any bet more than $10 is not optimal.
Quote: strictlyAP5 on the hand and five one the side bet?
why not?
One guy next to me played $10 in the hand (minimum) and $50 on the bonus. And he got a straight flush.
The reason he played so much on the bonus was he always got bonus hands and kept increasing his bonus bets.
I sit next to him, getting pai-gow every hand.
I remember that Casino movie where the CM saw a Boxman wearing a wrist watch and reached under it to retrieve a cheque.
Quote: sodawaterIf I had been dealt this hand, I'd have played the aces up top with the 9s and 4s in the high hand.
I'm pretty sure your way is the wrong mathematical play.
http://imgur.com/98ZimpZ
Worst bad beats for me has to have been the full 7 card copy hand... and not as bank :(
Player way: AA in low hand 99% (possible tie), but 2-Pairs 99-44 can't be more than 80% so a total not more than 179.
Quote: paigowerthis was one of my oldie's but goodies
http://imgur.com/98ZimpZ
Worst bad beats for me has to have been the full 7 card copy hand... and not as bank :(
Worst beat for me ever was Quad 6's + A9 against D(St)ealer with Wild Str-Fl to the Queen + 22. -$200 on that one. I think the bigger shame was no gimmick bets (1993 Foxwoods)
Quote: NareedIf a player does. I've no idea what happens if more than one player has an envy-paying hand. I assume only the highest hand gets the envy paid.
Any four-of-a-kind or higher results in envy bonuses to qualified bettors, no matter how many there are in one deal. In some very rare exceptions (like a seven-card straight flush and another straight flush), the table aggregate might dictate otherwise.
My favorite NOT bad beat story.... Friend just learning the game, he shows me he is dealt Jack high pai gow, I don't pay attention to how he sets his hand, dealer also gets Jack high pai gow, because friend mis-set his hand (played J-10-4-3-2, 7-6) instead of (J-6-4-3-2, 10 -7), he got a push instead of a loss...
Quote: SOOPOODuring WoV trip, I LOST twice with aces in low hand. Both times I had 3 pair, dealer had 3 of a kind with aces once, straight with aces the other time. In my career have lost twice on 7 card copy pai gow hands, and have had the 'perfect' low hand twice as well....
My favorite NOT bad beat story.... Friend just learning the game, he shows me he is dealt Jack high pai gow, I don't pay attention to how he sets his hand, dealer also gets Jack high pai gow, because friend mis-set his hand (played J-10-4-3-2, 7-6) instead of (J-6-4-3-2, 10 -7), he got a push instead of a loss...
what is a pai gow? Is that basically when you get crap.
Quote: GWAEwhat is a pai gow? Is that basically when you get crap.
Exactly.
Quote: GWAEwhat is a pai gow? Is that basically when you get crap.
Quote: DeucekiesExactly.
You don't have to be at a table very long before someone points at the dealer and proclaims, "You pai gow me!"
Quote: SOOPOODuring WoV trip, I LOST twice with aces in low hand. Both times I had 3 pair, dealer had 3 of a kind with aces once, straight with aces the other time. In my career have lost twice on 7 card copy pai gow hands, and have had the 'perfect' low hand twice as well....
My favorite NOT bad beat story.... Friend just learning the game, he shows me he is dealt Jack high pai gow, I don't pay attention to how he sets his hand, dealer also gets Jack high pai gow, because friend mis-set his hand (played J-10-4-3-2, 7-6) instead of (J-6-4-3-2, 10 -7), he got a push instead of a loss...
I had a 7 card copy on a Pai Gow once too. That should just count as a push.
Quote: DeucekiesExactly.
oh I always thought getting a paigow was good since it is the name of the game and all.
Quote: GWAEoh I always thought getting a paigow was good since it is the name of the game and all.
If you're playing insurance it's good!
Quote: GWAEoh I always thought getting a paigow was good since it is the name of the game and all.
is getting craps in craps good?
in baccarat, a "baccarat" is a hand with a total of 0
Quote: sodawateris getting craps in craps good?
I suppose that is why the world bet exists, no?
Quote: sodawateris getting craps in craps good?
in baccarat, a "baccarat" is a hand with a total of 0
good point. I guess since my main game for 10 years has been blackjack I was using that as my reference. I have never played bac so hearing that a 0 is called bac is new to me also.
Quote: FinsRuleI'm pretty sure your way is the wrong mathematical play.
You are correct. According to the Wizard:
Three of a Kind + Two Pair
Play the higher pair in the low hand.
Exceptions
AAA+33+22: play AA in the low hand
WAA+44+22: play AA in the low hand
WAA+44+33: play AA in the low hand
However, it my defense I will say that I bet the play is pretty close, and also I just like having aces in my low hand.
Quote: GWAEoh I always thought getting a paigow was good since it is the name of the game and all.
I had the exact same confusion when I was learning the game.
Quote: SOOPOODuring WoV trip, I LOST twice with aces in low hand. Both times I had 3 pair, dealer had 3 of a kind with aces once, straight with aces the other time. In my career have lost twice on 7 card copy pai gow hands, and have had the 'perfect' low hand twice as well....
My favorite NOT bad beat story.... Friend just learning the game, he shows me he is dealt Jack high pai gow, I don't pay attention to how he sets his hand, dealer also gets Jack high pai gow, because friend mis-set his hand (played J-10-4-3-2, 7-6) instead of (J-6-4-3-2, 10 -7), he got a push instead of a loss...
Thats a wow moment, or two. I've had lop-lop (9-high) a few times, and maybe 3 royals(1992-2006). Never got shorted with AA low. KK yes, Aces no. Online a different story tho... beaten with AA much like you for a stinking $2. Beaten Full Houses, and another Quad+Ace. I've never been dealt AAAA*xy ever.
Quote: sodawaterHowever, it my defense I will say that I bet the play is pretty close, and also I just like having aces in my low hand.
With that particular hand (AAA-44-99):
99 in low hand is worth 88.2709% (88.7116% if banking)
44 in low hand is worth 76.7632% (77.4189% if banking)
AA in low hand is worth 76.3674% (76.5534% if banking)
So you are giving up 11.9035% (12.1582% if banking) by playing AA in the low hand.
Quote: JBWith that particular hand (AAA-44-99):
99 in low hand is worth 88.2709% (88.7116% if banking)
44 in low hand is worth 76.7632% (77.4189% if banking)
AA in low hand is worth 76.3674% (76.5534% if banking)
So you are giving up 11.9035% (12.1582% if banking) by playing AA in the low hand.
wow... that's a bigger difference than i thought.
i also am shocked to see that it's better to play 44 in the low hand than aa.
Quote: sodawaterwow... that's a bigger difference than i thought.
i also am shocked to see that it's better to play 44 in the low hand than aa.
Presumably because you're keeping a Full House in the high hand (with 44 in the low hand), which is difficult for the dealer to beat since they split Full Houses and Four of a Kinds a lot, and play the lowest of any Straight, Flush, Straight Flush, or Royal Flush they can make so as to boost their low hand.
Quote: JBPresumably because you're keeping a Full House in the high hand (with 44 in the low hand), which is difficult for the dealer to beat since they split Full Houses and Four of a Kinds a lot, and play the lowest of any Straight, Flush, Straight Flush, or Royal Flush they can make so as to boost their low hand.
yeah that makes sense
Quote: GWAEoh I always thought getting a paigow was good since it is the name of the game and all.
Gamblers seem to have a bit of a defeatist attitude, and the names of the games often reflect that. Baccarat, if I recall correctly, is Italian for "nothing." "Craps" is a losing roll in, well, craps. And Pai Gow literally means "make nine," a reference to the worst possible hand - nine high. I think blackjack is the only game I am aware of that is named after a winning hand.
Quote: DeucekiesBut "making nine" is a good thing in Pai Gow Poker's parent game, Pai Gow tiles.
True. So I can only assume it's used ironically in PGP.
