Flush Rush vs. High Card Flush

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SHFL's Flush Rush versus Galaxy's High Card Flush and Galaxy's "Feel the Rush". Perhaps SHFL licensed Galaxy's patent?

I hope we see some more out of Stephen How, it's been a long time, I've always enjoyed DiscountGambling.net, and Stephen is quite a writer. I enjoy the blog details of many of his casino adventurers as much or more as I enjoy the analyses of games that he does.

Quote: Mission146

I Stephen is quite a writer.

He is what I wanted my son to be. An Asian engineer / programmer / mathematician with good writing skills, and a gambler who retired early, doing little now. :-)))

A main game with a 22% hit rate....is that correct?

Quote: Paradigm

A main game with a 22% hit rate....is that correct?

Probably. You have to make a 4 card flush to win.

And unfortunately mission, his post explains why he hasn't added much. He's addicted to something else now. Blah.

Try it at home with one deck of cards and deal 7 cards, you will see it easily. No mathematician required.

Quote: Paradigm

A main game with a 22% hit rate....is that correct?

Mississippi Stud is about 26.23% (10.18% push , 16.05% win).
At least the basic strategy is easy:
Fold before flop: 1 of each suit
Bet river: any 3 or more suited cards

Side note: I don't like the name of the game. The first search results are about Rush Limbaugh.

Here is my new page on Flush Rush. I get exactly the same number as Discount Gambling. However, I publish a strategy.

Please have a look. As always, I welcome comments, questions, and especially corrections.

It doesn't matter in how the game plays out, but the way it is currently written, it sounds like the player personally receives his 5th/6th and 7th cards instead of them being community cards as described in Discount Gambling.

I'm assuming they are really community cards since that makes this game a lot faster.

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It doesn't matter in how the game plays out, but the way it is currently written, it sounds like the player personally receives his 5th/6th and 7th cards instead of them being community cards as described in Discount Gambling.

I'm assuming they are really community cards since that makes this game a lot faster.

Neither DG nor I have actually seen the game yet, but I'm hoping to later this week. I can say the math report that Ballys game me says the player gets the 5th-7th cards "from the deck."

Mathematically speaking, it doesn't make any difference.

I watched a few hands at The D last weekend. The draw cards are player specific, not community. The player got to pick up and examine the first draw cards. The last draw card is also non-community and was placed in a box above where the player placed their final 4 card hand after making the second Play wager. It was not revealed to the player until the dealer resolved the wagers by exposing the players 4 card hand and then the final draw card to determine if the player hit the pay table.

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Mississippi Stud is about 26.23% (10.18% push , 16.05% win).
At least the basic strategy is easy:
Fold before flop: 1 of each suit
Bet river: any 3 or more suited cards.

HE of 3.75% with an EOR of 1.52% is certainly in a good range for a new game with this simple of a strategy.

Here is the problem I see: the average player experience is going to be much worse than the overall HE/EOR's dictate. Take a look at the Return to Player that the 5 Card SF and 7 Card Flush add to the overall Return: 2.9972% & 1.4998% respectively.

Together these events are only going to happen once every 2,907 hands played! The average player session doesn't have a chance of seeing these events happen and they account for almost 4.5% of he RTP! Anything that happens only once in over 500 hands I ignore when trying to understand the actual player experience at the table (the 6 Card SF at 1 in 521 hands barely makes the grade and accounts for 4.21% additional RTP).

So most players are going to "feel" a game with an HE of the calculated 3.75% PLUS another 4.5% for events that they will likely never see happen. Effectively this game is going to play like a 8.25% HE/3.34 EOR game....and this is including the return for the 6 Card SF which they may see once every 3-4 playing sessions assuming they play 150 hands per session, which is a lot of hours of play at the speed of this game.

Quote: Paradigm

I watched a few hands at The D last weekend. The draw cards are player specific, not community. The player got to pick up and examine the first draw cards. The last draw card is also non-community and was placed in a box above where the player placed their final 4 card hand after making the second Play wager. It was not revealed to the player until the dealer resolved the wagers by exposing the players 4 card hand and then the final draw card to determine if the player hit the pay table.

Michael,
I played this game on its opening night for three hours, and my co-worker at GG deals it at the D.

Player makes an ANTE and gets a four card hand;
Player then folds or bets 1x to play the 5th and 6th street community cards.
Player folds or bets 1x river, to play the 7th street community card, and hopes to have four or more of a suit to hit the pay table.

I noticed this because the dealer deals the community board from a four-card packet, and burns the bottom card (to discard a possibly hole-carded discard card), and sets the three community cards face down in a pyramid shape. Dealer reveals the two left side cards (from his POV) as the flop, and the right side card as the river or 7th street.

You know what Dan, you are dead right on this. Not sure what I was thinking this AM. Community Cards are set in the shape of a triangle I believe. Does that sound right?

Edit: I figured it out I think.....was thinking about Double Draw procedure vs. Flush Rush. I checked both out on this trip.

Quote: Paradigm

You know what Dan, you are dead right on this. Not sure what I was thinking this AM. Community Cards are set in the shape of a triangle I believe. Does that sound right?

yes, exactly. I can relate. I look at so many games I occasionally lose track or comingle something on a game spec.