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Jumboshrimps
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May 16th, 2010 at 3:27:36 PM permalink
As to laying the odds behind the don't pass line, the chances of winning on any given roll are greater than the chances of losing.

True or false?
goatcabin
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May 16th, 2010 at 3:35:08 PM permalink
Of course this is true, because the seven is more likely than whatever the point is. However, this is AFTER having survived the comeout roll, where the don'ts have a whopping 45.45% disadvantage. The lay bets also have a better chance of winning than losing, without having to go through a comeout roll, but, of course, also pay the "short end" of the odds and carry a 5% vig (or less, if they collect only on a win).
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Jumboshrimps
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May 16th, 2010 at 3:45:19 PM permalink
Quote: goatcabin

Of course this is true, because the seven is more likely than whatever the point is. However, this is AFTER having survived the comeout roll, where the don'ts have a whopping 45.45% disadvantage. The lay bets also have a better chance of winning than losing, without having to go through a comeout roll, but, of course, also pay the "short end" of the odds and carry a 5% vig (or less, if they collect only on a win).
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Agreed. However, I always max out the odds, which are 10X at my local casinos, making the come-out disadvantage negligible. It's this "more likely to win than to lose" character that draws me to this bet more than any other in the casino.
goatcabin
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May 16th, 2010 at 4:06:41 PM permalink
Quote: Jumboshrimps

Agreed. However, I always max out the odds, which are 10X at my local casinos, making the come-out disadvantage negligible. It's this "more likely to win than to lose" character that draws me to this bet more than any other in the casino.



Yes, the last time I played I made one don't come bet at a time, laying various odds multiples depending on my bankroll. I was quite lucky in that there were very few comeout decisions. It was a good session.
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May 16th, 2010 at 5:22:28 PM permalink
Why is this thread a poll?

This is not an opinion, but simple math.
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rudeboyoi
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May 16th, 2010 at 5:23:19 PM permalink
when im playing craps, i like to have more winning combinations than losing combinations. so if im playing the passline, i will try establishing multiple points through the comeline. if im playing the donts, all i make is one dont bet because you will have more winning combinations than losing combinations playing just one point. i also prefer playing the dont come because the dealers are more prone to make errors on the dont come such as forgetting to take your losing wager if an 11 is rolled while you are trying to establish a point.
dwheatley
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May 17th, 2010 at 9:35:55 AM permalink
What if you have multiple don't come bets? Then when you are laying odds on all of them, your odds of winning them all on any given roll (with a 7) are now less than your odds of hitting a point and losing one bet. I vote false!

yeah! rock the boat!

... ( i know he asked about the don't pass LINE, but what is the difference between the line and the come bets, besides where the goofy puck is?)
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rudeboyoi
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May 17th, 2010 at 9:53:58 AM permalink
Quote: dwheatley

What if you have multiple don't come bets? Then when you are laying odds on all of them, your odds of winning them all on any given roll (with a 7) are now less than your odds of hitting a point and losing one bet. I vote false!

yeah! rock the boat!

... ( i know he asked about the don't pass LINE, but what is the difference between the line and the come bets, besides where the goofy puck is?)



dealers are more prone to make mistakes in your favor on the come or dont come line. on the comeout roll, they may forget to take your comebet down if a 7 is rolled. when you place a bet on the dont come while trying to establish a point, they will sometimes forget to take your losing wager if an 11 is rolled. its best to lay your dont come bet as far to the right in the dont come box as possible so its difficult to see out of the corner of the dealer's eye. on the dont come, they may also forget to take your losing wager down if that number is rolled. the busier the table, the more prone dealers are to make errors.
FleaStiff
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May 17th, 2010 at 10:09:44 AM permalink
Quote: goatcabin

Of course this is true, because the seven is more likely than whatever the point is. However, this is AFTER having survived the comeout roll, where the don'ts have a whopping 45.45% disadvantage.

It may be a somewhat high hurdle but once you are over that initial ComeOut Roll, its nice to know that while its nowhere near a shoe-in, the odds are actually in your favor. My companion couldn't understand the concept of laying odds since it just seemed foolish to her to bet one amount of money in order to win a smaller amount of money but I tried to tell her that its more likely to happen. When it does happen, its a nice feeling to get paid when others at the table are all moaning about their loss.
seattledice
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May 17th, 2010 at 10:32:32 PM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

dealers are more prone to make mistakes in your favor on the come or dont come line. on the comeout roll, they may forget to take your comebet down if a 7 is rolled. when you place a bet on the dont come while trying to establish a point, they will sometimes forget to take your losing wager if an 11 is rolled. its best to lay your dont come bet as far to the right in the dont come box as possible so its difficult to see out of the corner of the dealer's eye. on the dont come, they may also forget to take your losing wager down if that number is rolled. the busier the table, the more prone dealers are to make errors.



My experience is the opposite. Once a dealer had apparently scooped up the odds on one of my don't come numbers while cleaning up his bank. When the seven rolled, I had to point out that I had been laying $60 on every point. Fortunately the boxman was paying attention, and I got paid. There have been other times I have not received the expected winnings when a seven rolled because my bet had mysteriously disappered - maybe the number hid and I didn't notice ... maybe it was accidentally removed. I have learned to watch those DC bets like a hawk, and more than once I have had to point out that my bet was being incorrectly taken away, or that I should be paid for my DC bets on a come out seven. I have seen more dealer "errors" in my favor playing the passline when a come out seven rolled and all the come bets are left up.

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