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Nareed
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March 1st, 2010 at 7:38:45 AM permalink
I apologize for the lack of a link. I saw a piece yesterday on a semi-electronic version of craps, called Rapid Craps, which debuted at Bill's Gambling Hall. You sit (yes, sit) in front of a monitor with a craps layout and place your bets on it. A player rolls the dice on the craps table, the dealer enters the result on the system and the pays are automated. I've seen something very much like this called Rapid Roulette, so I'm assuming the craps version also ahs a slot for the player's club card in it. There's just one dealer, who handles the stick and enters the dice roll. No boxman and no dealers on the sides; no rails for chips, either. When you leave the table, the dealer pays you off in chips (why chips and not a slot-type ticket, I've no idea; unless it's because chips don't expire).

I've played very little craps, but I must say I do like the idea of this new-fangled type of craps. I wouldn't mind sitting, and, honestly, I trust computers to make fewer mistakes on paying off bets than human dealers would. I'd bet the casinos will love it. They get to employ three less dealers per table, and may wind up with a faster game. Sitting players may also play longer.

Ultimately it depends on whether players will like it. I think they may. With an electronic system it's easier to keep new players from getting into the game mid-roll, and to prevent them from making late bets. And without chips present on the table, there's no chance of hitting someone else's stack, or hands reaching in for a late bet. On the downside you'll interact less with the dealers and the other players (it's harder to high-five when you're both seating).

We'll see. I would think the computerized bets are perfect for craps, given the variety and complexity of bets available. But then that's partly true also of roulette and Rapid Roulette, while widespread, hardly is the only game in town.

One thing about electronic table games I've noticed is that it's best to keep a human dealer. Video dealers, as in some e-BJ machines, are phonier than a three-dollar bill, and people amy resent not being able to answer someone who talks to them.
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DJTeddyBear
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March 1st, 2010 at 9:15:51 AM permalink
If I'm reading this right, you didn't see the game yourself, but read about it?

I'd like to hear from someone who has actually played it. OR at least seen it.

I doubt it will be embraced by gamblers - experienced OR novices.

For example, I enjoy playing the craps game on the Wiz's main site, but I hate some of the features it lacks. I.E. I can't just throw in $44 and say "$44 In" the way I can at a live table. Of course, for a free, just for fun game, I don't expect the Wiz to have put all the extra programming time into it. I will not only expect it, but demand it of a casino's version.

Also, I'd need to see the conditions of the dice throw. With a machine, the dealer probably has to make sure everyone is done betting and then hit the bet lockout button as he's passing the dice to prevent late bets. That will actually slow the game down.

And, personally, I like to watch the dice. I tend to try to get a spot next to the stickman so I can more easily see them when someone on my side of the stick is throwing.

Also, I don't buy into the "hit the stack and seven out" superstitions. Quite the contrary. I actually tend to aim for stacks. (Call me a dick if you want)

Last, I encourage novice players to ask me questions. How will a novice be able to ask another player, OR a dealer, question?


Regarding Rapid Roulette: I think it's popular because people generally have a hard time reaching all areas of the betting field, so this makes betting easier. Plus, people generally make all their bets in the same unit.

Although the seats are a little too far apart to encourage discussions or questions, it could be accomplished while a ball is spinning.

Also, Roulette is far simpler. Quite easy for a novice to step up to the Rapid Roulette console, sit down, and play.
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March 1st, 2010 at 11:39:15 AM permalink
Here is a link to some info about Rapid Craps...

http://www.shufflemaster.com/assets/pdf/product_sheets/Rapid_Craps.pdf
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March 1st, 2010 at 11:45:43 AM permalink
I have commented on this game on another forum. It was a thread written by someone who had actually played the game.

I can see certain benefits in it...but I don't want it to become much more than a novelty. I would really hate to see it replace any craps tables. If I want to be play craps without interaction and on a TV screen, I can play the Wizard's version...

The posts on the other forum seemed to run in favor of this format. I was a little surprised by that--I kind of figured folks would want to play the traditional game. It will be interesting to see how the opinions look after more have seen this in live play.

I don't think I'd like Rapid Roulette, either. Heck, if I can't reach the number, the dealer can. If he can't place a number when I ask him, he isn't getting a tip anyway!!

I don't want to see table games become more like slots...or see dealers disappear...
Nareed
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March 1st, 2010 at 12:08:33 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

If I'm reading this right, you didn't see the game yourself, but read about it?



Right. I read about it yesterday at home. I'll post a link this evening.

I do plan to see and maybe play the game next Vegas trip this April (if things continue to go well).

I don't think the dice seven out if they hit a stack or a hand, either. It's just one more random factor, and any shot that hits something might have had the same end result had it not hit the obstacle. But it is annoying.
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jeremykay
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March 1st, 2010 at 2:38:57 PM permalink
I plan to check it out in April myself, but I don't anticipate prefering it over a live table game. I tried rapid roulette when it first arrived, but still prefer the regular tables.
DJTeddyBear
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March 1st, 2010 at 2:48:57 PM permalink
Don't get me wrong. I did not intend to imply that RapidCraps is a bad thing.

I simply have my doubts.

Although, after seeing ShuffleMaster's PDF, it's obvious that talking to your neighbor won't be the problem that it is with RapidRoulette. RR has much bigger consoles than RC.


On the flip side, I was mostly optimistic about RR in my post above.

The funny thing is, after playing it on three occasions, I don't like it. I'll be playing regular Roulette in the future. Note: I don't play Roulette much. Biggest reason I didn't like RR? I couldn't easily keep my winnings separate from my starting bankroll.



Bottom line: I WILL be trying out RR when I see it.
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March 1st, 2010 at 5:36:54 PM permalink
I'll check it out this weekend and report back.
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NicksGamingStuff
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March 1st, 2010 at 5:46:13 PM permalink
I saw this today at bills it looked ok but had 2 people playing compared to regular craps that had a full table
Nareed
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March 1st, 2010 at 6:48:59 PM permalink
Here's the link:

http://www.dicesetter.com/Tid%20Bits/TidBit1.htm
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