Fleaswatter
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August 9th, 2012 at 9:34:37 AM permalink
A friend of mine told me this story about his visit to a casino in West Virginia.

He was playing mini-baccarat and the table minimum was $100. He wanted to bet $100 on player and $150 on banker at the same time. He was told by the dealer, floor supervisor and pit boss that this bet was not allowed since he was only risking $50 even though he was at or above table minimum on both bets.

Can the casino legally do this?
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teddys
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August 9th, 2012 at 9:38:28 AM permalink
Absolutely, they can refuse your action at any time. However, in this case the casino was stupid to refuse the bet since it had a bigger expected win than a single $50 banker bet. The pit boss was a moron in this case.
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August 9th, 2012 at 9:57:35 AM permalink
Additionally, when banker wins, your friend would be paying the vig on the $150 win rather than the $50 net. So he was VERY foolish for refusing the action.

Put me in the pit, and I would have taken the action as long as the TOTAL was at least the table minimum.
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August 9th, 2012 at 10:24:17 AM permalink
Quote: Fleaswatter


Can the casino legally do this?

Sure can. And it appears to me, without doing an actual survey, to be a very common house rule.
I have seen this is Vegas and in the SoCal CA Indian casinos as well.
Some couples can get away playing this way for awhile, one making the larger bet.

But as DJTB pointed out, if the largest bet is on Banker you actually pay more in commission unless you are at an EZ Bac table, there you lose big on the Player Bet with that 3 card 7 Banker win.
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August 9th, 2012 at 11:00:24 AM permalink
One of the reasons I quit playing bac was, when I
tried this I was always told no. Yet when an Asian
player did it, they were ignored. When I complained,
I was told the pit 'didn't see it'. Yet when I do it, they
always saw it because the dealer alerted them.

This was just one of many blatant incidents where
they showed favortism to the Asian players. I had
to get away from the game before I exploded.
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mustangsally
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August 9th, 2012 at 12:02:07 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

One of the reasons I quit playing bac was, when I
tried this I was always told no. Yet when an Asian
player did it, they were ignored. When I complained,
I was told the pit 'didn't see it'. Yet when I do it, they
always saw it because the dealer alerted them.

This was just one of many blatant incidents where
they showed favortism to the Asian players. I had
to get away from the game before I exploded.

That is the way it is.
So then you are not Asian.

Most casinos *love* Asian Bac players and *just like* non-Asian Bac players.
I am one in the first group.
Just the way it is.

Sure glad you did not explode.
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rudeboyoi
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August 9th, 2012 at 12:09:20 PM permalink
so he wants to win $42.50 or lose $50 instead of winning $95 or losing $100. bad for the player making this bet. bad for the casino not accepting this bet.
HeartsOnRiver
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August 9th, 2012 at 1:29:47 PM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

so he wants to win $42.50 or lose $50 instead of winning $95 or losing $100. bad for the player making this bet. bad for the casino not accepting this bet.


If you look at the difference of the vig between $150 and $100 bet, yeah, it's kinda bad. But it's just so happen that many players don't want to risk so much money on a hand he doesn't "like", he bet small; on the one he "loves", he's gonna go all-in. You gotta love the action on the baccarat table.

Quote: Fleaswatter

A friend of mine told me this story about his visit to a casino in West Virginia.

He was playing mini-baccarat and the table minimum was $100. He wanted to bet $100 on player and $150 on banker at the same time. He was told by the dealer, floor supervisor and pit boss that this bet was not allowed since he was only risking $50 even though he was at or above table minimum on both bets.

Can the casino legally do this?


yeah, that casino's dealers, floor supervisor and pit boss should have just accepted your friend's bet. I don't do it very often but have never been denied and I don't see why. (I only do it when I want to go "fishing" for the dragon bonus bet).
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August 22nd, 2012 at 7:09:17 AM permalink
I was reading this article about how an unshuffled deck was used in a mini-baccarat game and 14 people ended up winning 1.5 million. They are being asked to return the money by the casino. heres the article Can a casino ask you to return money if you didn't cheat and it was the casino's fault? And second, what's with pre-shuffled cards coming from a manufacturer? I don't play mini-baccarat much. They don't show new cards spread out and checked before being shuffled like when new decks enter a BJ game? And what's to prevent these preshuffled cards to be predetermined in house favor if no one is checking these cards prior to them getting into a paying game?
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August 22nd, 2012 at 7:20:49 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

Absolutely, they can refuse your action at any time. However, in this case the casino was stupid to refuse the bet since it had a bigger expected win than a single $50 banker bet. The pit boss was a moron in this case.



If you look at it that way. However, at a $100 table, they were probably worried the other players would see you as a flea.

(And NickyDim, there's another thread for that.)
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