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AZDuffman
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March 12th, 2020 at 3:33:30 AM permalink
For those who have not heard, the NCAA has decided all tournament games will be "Empty Arena" games. Some family and friends allowed in, but in the end it is like a glorified practice game. While Pro Wrestling has the occasional "empty arena" match, we all know that is not a sport, even if it might affect the "show" of some wrestlers. MLB had an empty stadium game a few years back due to riots or something. And the joke going around here is that the Pirates have been playing to no fans for decades.

This is different. This is championship rounds. This is planned, The MLB empty n game was fairly last minute.

Without discussing if the coronavirus, and other than saying don't discuss it I am not, does this affect how you will bet the games?

An underdog making a run surely feeds off crowd energy. Players surely have to feel down not being onstage, that might hurt the small school payers who this is their one chance to play that big a venue. So it might mean take the chalk more than usual?

What say you?

And lets keep it about the line only.
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sabre
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March 12th, 2020 at 4:01:32 AM permalink
I think it's going to be a moot point, but don't tiered rows of uniform empty seats screw up depth perception? I'd think under might be the way to go.

What would be interesting is whether some arenas tarp off the empty seats behind the basket to eliminate this issue, while others don't.
AZDuffman
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March 12th, 2020 at 4:11:23 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

I think it's going to be a moot point, but don't tiered rows of uniform empty seats screw up depth perception? I'd think under might be the way to go.

What would be interesting is whether some arenas tarp off the empty seats behind the basket to eliminate this issue, while others don't.



Good point. I honestly have no idea about its effect but interesting, never thought of it.
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MidwestAP
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March 12th, 2020 at 6:16:41 AM permalink
There are a number of possible impact that are difficult to quantify. Some things that I have thought about or heard from professional handicappers (assuming there are even games that are being played).

- In March Madness, do empty arenas hurt the large underdog? Often the neutral fans in an arena, that are there to support teams in a different game, will vocally get behind the underdog when they start fast, or are keeping it close late in the game.
- Depth perception on jump shots
- The players and more importantly the officials will be able to hear everything. Could this result in more technical fouls?
- The arena's will presumably be colder as there aren't the fans to generate heat, this could potentially impact fg%
charliepatrick
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March 12th, 2020 at 6:42:39 AM permalink
At the time of writing soccer (e.g. Premier League in the UK) have not made a unilateral decision whether to play behind closed doors. There's a report in The [London] Times that this will happen and UEFA are due to have a meeting next week to discuss Europe-wide matches. My feeling is eventually large gatherings will be stopped, however the issue is whether because people can then go and watch the games in pubs, whether that's a worse situation than just letting fans watch the match. Watch this space.
DRich
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March 12th, 2020 at 7:21:04 AM permalink
I expect the tournament will be cancelled.
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sabre
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March 12th, 2020 at 8:02:03 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

I expect the tournament will be cancelled.



I agree, but assuming they go on it's a unique situation that might provide some betting opportunities. I wonder if big underdog point spreads could have value. Heavy favorites with a big lead in the 4th might just sit on every possession in an empty arena.
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March 12th, 2020 at 9:50:04 AM permalink
All conference basketball tournaments are now cancelled - the ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-12, have all just announced the cancellation of their tournaments, starting with today's games.

The NCAA BB tournament is probably the next shoe to fall. The NCAA itself gets almost $900 million in revenue from this - its not clear how the NCAA can survive if their BB tournament is cancelled.
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michael99000
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March 12th, 2020 at 10:04:55 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

I expect the tournament will be cancelled.



I agree with this.

When Rudy Gobert from the jazz tested positive , and then Donovan Mitchell did , (assuming one contracted it from the other) I had a feeling that would be it for team sporting events for a while.

But as of now, the big east tournament and the NHL seem to both be going on. Not much else.
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March 12th, 2020 at 10:08:31 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

All conference basketball tournaments are now cancelled - the ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-12, have all just announced the cancellation of their tournaments, starting with today's games.

The NCAA BB tournament is probably the next shoe to fall. The NCAA itself gets almost $900 million in revenue from this - its not clear how the NCAA can survive if their BB tournament is cancelled.



In contrast the Big East tourney is playing a game right now. They are “still deciding” whether to cancel.
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