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August 7th, 2019 at 7:59:08 PM permalink
This season I'll be projecting again on a week by week basis. I'm only going to project 1-5 games each week. I'll be picking a few match-ups for the week 0-1 slate, skipping weeks 2 and 3 (since I don't wager on those weeks) and starting again from week 4. My goal this season is to hopefully help anyone that wants to begin with a starting capital model of $1k for college football and build from that starting point.

The goal for CAR (capital at risk) each week will be:




WEEK CAR %
0 , 1, 4 20%
5 25%
6 30%
7, 8 40%
9, 10 50%
11, 12, 13, 14, 15 60%
Bowlseason 70%


This assumes that new capital and CAR will be recalculated each week (regardless of win or loss amounts). If you start with $1k and wager 20% on week 0 and win, your capital will be $1k + winnings for the next week. Week 1 CAR would then be 20% of the new capital. All picks will be ATS picks only. No ML or Totals. Point buys will either be none, +/- 0.5 or +/- 1.0. There will be no buys greater than 1 point.

The goal is to produce positive ROI each week. Theoretically, with no buys and a perfect record (just an example), $1k would become $140,343. But, I'm not pretentious and will assume that a majority of weeks may see an ROI of -5% to +25%. If I present 4 games and go 2-2 (50%) if the majority of money is on the 2 winners, a positive ROI will be achieved. So, I'm not overly concerned about wins or losses, although I'd like to shoot for 60% on ATS win probability. I will not be flat betting amounts on games.

To save time, much of my betting will be done in Twin River (Lincoln, RI) . I will post ticket images of all games I list. If I list a game, that means I placed a wager on the game. I will do my best to have the image posted within the same day. It doesn't matter all that much as the amount I list will match the ticket when posted. There will be a full accounting after each week. If Twin River refuses wagers or limits wagers, I can change venues to several other areas close by. Week 9 and greater, I may have to go to AC or Vegas to handle any large amounts. If so, capital and CAR will have to include and account for any weekly expenses. In this case, new capital calculations may take a format similar to a Combined Ratio.

No websites, contact info, advertisements or links to data will be provided. Everything is as is. If, at any time, you find a flaw in the CAR/ROI strategy, I'll listen to any advice provided. I do not want to get into arguments with anyone. If you agree and like what I'm doing, great. If you don't, ignore the thread and move on with your day to day.

I want this year to be serious but also fun.

All games will be consolidated and posted in this thread.
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August 7th, 2019 at 8:16:21 PM permalink
Will you actually be betting the posted picks and show confirmations of the line you received and the amount bet?
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August 8th, 2019 at 3:11:19 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Will you actually be betting the posted picks and show confirmations of the line you received and the amount bet?



Yes.

And all up/down capital calculations for future weeks will be handled from those betting tickets/images.
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August 8th, 2019 at 9:17:24 AM permalink
You have piqued my interest.
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August 8th, 2019 at 9:40:09 AM permalink
Sounds like fun. I’m in favor of this thread.
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August 8th, 2019 at 9:51:12 AM permalink
Joel,

Any updates on what you're looking to charge WOV forum members for your package? Do we get a discount?
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August 8th, 2019 at 9:53:35 AM permalink
Quote: unJon

Sounds like fun. I’m in favor of this thread.



I like the idea as long as the poster doesn't start talking about his wins based on other systems that aren't part of this.

The first time he says something along the lines of "My other picks went 5 and 1 this week and my record is now x-y" he then loses all respect and should be suspended.
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August 8th, 2019 at 12:26:48 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

You have piqued my interest.

then I think you need to go back and look at his entire history here.
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August 8th, 2019 at 12:29:50 PM permalink
Quote: DRich


The first time he says something along the lines of "My other picks went 5 and 1 this week and my record is now x-y" he then loses all respect and should be suspended.



The first time? You mean the next time.

Poster has been proven as a fraud looking to sell here.
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August 8th, 2019 at 12:49:51 PM permalink
Quote: SM777

The first time? You mean the next time.

Poster has been proven as a fraud looking to sell here.



Wait a second , didn’t you post 3 baseball picks one day and suddenly have a 12–1 record ?
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August 8th, 2019 at 3:24:35 PM permalink
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Wait a second , didn’t you post 3 baseball picks one day and suddenly have a 12–1 record ?



No. Not me, and I'm not sure who you're talking about either. Honestly, sounds like Joel from this thread though.
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August 8th, 2019 at 7:57:36 PM permalink
Quote: SM777

No. Not me, and I'm not sure who you're talking about either. Honestly, sounds like Joel from this thread though.



He is talking about me, not sure why all of a sudden he is trolling me. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. I just made a comment how my first 13 bets were good and above expectations for someone just starting out. It was a simple claim in a discussion where I posted a few picks, nothing more.

Just looked, you gave me a hard time about it as well. The two of you killed a thread that could have had some discussion about sports betting, but whatever
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August 8th, 2019 at 8:29:36 PM permalink
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As much as I hate saying this.... GWAE Is one of the good guys. Trust me, he's not up to any type of shenanigans. If you read many of his posts here, he's a self-admitted loser (at sports)who is always crying broke. I don't believe he's a loser or broke. From what I know he's an intelligent hard working family man with an addiction to Coke.

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August 8th, 2019 at 8:36:33 PM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

skipping weeks 2 and 3 (since I don't wager on those weeks)

What is your reasoning for the above?
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August 8th, 2019 at 8:50:22 PM permalink
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As much as I hate saying this.... GWAE Is one of the good guys. Trust me, he's not up to any type of shenanigans. If you read many of his posts here, he's a self-admitted loser (at sports)who is always crying broke. I don't believe he's a loser or broke. From what I know he's an intelligent hard working family man with an addiction to Coke.



thanks man... and that is a GREAT picture. I am using that for now on.
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August 8th, 2019 at 9:12:37 PM permalink
Quote: Puckerbutt

What is your reasoning for the above?

because he is "extremely fortunate to have a brain that consistently works on extreme levels." Just ask him...

Quote: JoelDeze



Two, I am extremely fortunate to have a brain that consistently works on extreme levels.

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August 8th, 2019 at 9:15:25 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

He is talking about me, not sure why all of a sudden he is trolling me. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. I just made a comment how my first 13 bets were good and above expectations for someone just starting out. It was a simple claim in a discussion where I posted a few picks, nothing more.



You left out the part about posting your “updated record” below your results , as being 12-1, after having only posted three plays. By the way, when will you resume posting your plays again ? I’m assuming you’re 38-1 now.

If you think I’m the only one who sees it that way when people do that, just read the responses to mustangsally and watchmewin in their sports betting threads.

And the reason I brought it up is because that’s what the OP was being told not to do, in order to make this a good legitimate thread for bet record keeping.
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August 9th, 2019 at 3:04:52 AM permalink
Quote: michael99000

You left out the part about posting your “updated record” below your results , as being 12-1, after having only posted three plays. By the way, when will you resume posting your plays again ? I’m assuming you’re 38-1 now.

If you think I’m the only one who sees it that way when people do that, just read the responses to mustangsally and watchmewin in their sports betting threads.

And the reason I brought it up is because that’s what the OP was being told not to do, in order to make this a good legitimate thread for bet record keeping.



It doesnt matter what my record is now. No matter what I post it will be ridiculed. I only posted it for fun, but it was accurate. I believe me posting my record is different than people like ms, jd and wmw since they proclaim to be prolific and found the wholly grail. I have always said how terrible I am at picking games within the contests so that is the reason it was brought up. In my 9000 posts I have never once tried to sell something or talked about my results of anything.

If you would have elected to have a discussion about my picks opposed to attacking them I would have explained what I am doing and you could easily back test to see what I picked. Then we could have talked about stupid my method is which I agree but it is doing well right now.
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August 9th, 2019 at 3:17:38 AM permalink
Quote: michael99000

You left out the part about posting your “updated record” below your results , as being 12-1, after having only posted three plays. By the way, when will you resume posting your plays again ? I’m assuming you’re 38-1 now.

If you think I’m the only one who sees it that way when people do that, just read the responses to mustangsally and watchmewin in their sports betting threads.

And the reason I brought it up is because that’s what the OP was being told not to do, in order to make this a good legitimate thread for bet record keeping.

I get what you're saying, however, one must look at what someone is trying to convey to The Forum. For example, watchmewin(even his name suggests bulsh*t) is always claiming he wins at everything. He claims he can beat - EV craps with a voodoo type b******* system. He claims he's a winning long-term Sports Guru.

Joel actually has some type of sports betting tout service of some kind or whatever you want to call it. He even thinks one can beat the horses using astrological type b*******. At one time he claimed to have some Voodoo bulsh*t winning craps system that eventually failed. Then he made a bunch of Sports predictions or something like that and when it started going bad he disappeared from the Forum for a long time. And there's more. Just go back and look at all of his posts it's quite hilarious and entertaining.

GWAE isn't here doing any of that. His name actually stand for Gambling WITHOUT An Edge.

As far as Mustang Sally goes, it seems to me she just tries to get crafty with her wording. I actually believe that she has an advantage if and when she claimed she does.
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August 9th, 2019 at 3:32:38 AM permalink
Quote: Puckerbutt

What is your reasoning for the above?



The teams haven’t played any games yet other than spring/fall and scrimmage 1 / scrimmage 2 sessions. Week 0-1 I’m looking for line advantages. I have a good snapshot of team data ending from the previous year. I have had time to evaluate returning starters, transfers and injuries. Week 2-3 I’m waiting for data building / collection.

It’s a good question.
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August 9th, 2019 at 3:41:27 AM permalink
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Joel actually has some type of sports betting tout service of some kind or whatever you want to call it. He even thinks one can beat the horses using astrological.



I have never bet on horses. I have never used astrology. I don’t play casino games much anymore. They are a waste of time and money.

I missed you too buddy.
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August 9th, 2019 at 7:24:36 AM permalink
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Quote: AxelWolf

As much as I hate saying this.... GWAE Is one of the good guys. Trust me, he's not up to any type of shenanigans. If you read many of his posts here, he's a self-admitted loser (at sports)who is always crying broke. I don't believe he's a loser or broke. From what I know he's an intelligent hard working family man with an addiction to Coke.



thanks man... and that is a GREAT picture. I am using that for now on.

I thought you were addicted to Pepsi. Or was that just your gateway drug to the harder stuff like Coca-Cola? ;)
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August 9th, 2019 at 8:57:16 AM permalink
Quote: Joeman

Quote: GWAE

Quote: AxelWolf

As much as I hate saying this.... GWAE Is one of the good guys. Trust me, he's not up to any type of shenanigans. If you read many of his posts here, he's a self-admitted loser (at sports)who is always crying broke. I don't believe he's a loser or broke. From what I know he's an intelligent hard working family man with an addiction to Coke.



thanks man... and that is a GREAT picture. I am using that for now on.

I thought you were addicted to Pepsi. Or was that just your gateway drug to the harder stuff like Coca-Cola? ;)



I am an equal opportunist pop drinker
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August 9th, 2019 at 9:01:46 AM permalink
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I am an equal opportunist pop drinker



I grew up in Ohio and I used to drink "pop". Now that I have lived out west for many years I laugh at people that say "pop". It is called soda to us.
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August 9th, 2019 at 9:51:01 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

I grew up in Ohio and I used to drink "pop". Now that I have lived out west for many years I laugh at people that say "pop". It is called soda to us.



Sometimes we will say sodapop
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August 9th, 2019 at 10:22:34 AM permalink
Yeah, picking on GWAE was really silly. He was basically doing the equivalent to someone saying "I made $500 on video poker last night." He never said he figured out how to beat the game. He never tried to sell a system. He simply wanted to talk about his hot streak.

If anyone is interested in purchasing picks, I will sell my equally effective system for half of what Joel, or any other tout who pops here is charging.



Actually, you can have a few legit pointers for free because I'd feel like a POS charging people. Just ask. But the condition is you promise to never buy picks or systems from anyone who posts here, ever.
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August 9th, 2019 at 11:43:33 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

Yeah, picking on GWAE was really silly. He was basically doing the equivalent to someone saying "I made $500 on video poker last night." He never said he figured out how to beat the game. He never tried to sell a system. He simply wanted to talk about his hot streak.

If anyone is interested in purchasing picks, I will sell my equally effective system for half of what Joel, or any other tout who pops here is charging.



Actually, you can have a few legit pointers for free because I'd feel like a POS charging people. Just ask. But the condition is you promise to never buy picks or systems from anyone who posts here, ever.



The trolling is becoming a bit silly. Show me “any” post where I name a website or system or where I post any link to that system.

I mentioned this at the start of the thread and will ask anyone trolling to keep this topic thread on point.

I do not and I reiterate have any sports related system for sale or any sports subscriptions for sale. Anyone saying otherwise is lying.

I made this thread clear about what I would be doing this year. If any moderators or site owners would rather me not continue this thread I will be happy to do so.

I’m not going to spend my time defending inaccuracies.
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August 9th, 2019 at 1:01:20 PM permalink
I don't have any problem with JoelDeze posting exactly what he said he would post, making picks in advance of games, and letting us follow along with whatever record he generates.
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August 9th, 2019 at 1:51:08 PM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

Quote: Rigondeaux

Yeah, picking on GWAE was really silly. He was basically doing the equivalent to someone saying "I made $500 on video poker last night." He never said he figured out how to beat the game. He never tried to sell a system. He simply wanted to talk about his hot streak.

If anyone is interested in purchasing picks, I will sell my equally effective system for half of what Joel, or any other tout who pops here is charging.



Actually, you can have a few legit pointers for free because I'd feel like a POS charging people. Just ask. But the condition is you promise to never buy picks or systems from anyone who posts here, ever.



The trolling is becoming a bit silly. Show me “any” post where I name a website or system or where I post any link to that system.

I mentioned this at the start of the thread and will ask anyone trolling to keep this topic thread on point.

I do not and I reiterate have any sports related system for sale or any sports subscriptions for sale. Anyone saying otherwise is lying.

I made this thread clear about what I would be doing this year. If any moderators or site owners would rather me not continue this thread I will be happy to do so.

I’m not going to spend my time defending inaccuracies.

do you or have you ever generated a profit from other people related to sports and gambling? Let's not get all funny and technical with the words you know what I'm asking.
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August 9th, 2019 at 3:31:26 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf


do you or have you ever generated a profit from other people related to sports and gambling? Let's not get all funny and technical with the words you know what I'm asking.





the way you word your question is very amusing dude

it's like you're a criminal investigator

let's say somebody, anybody, not Joel, is selling picks

how much hard time do you think they should do?..................would 10 years be enough?.................................... 😃 😃 😃





I totally understand and agree with the Wiz's desire not to allow picks to be sold on his site





but outside of here what difference does it make anyway?

it's almost a sure thing that if a gambler is foolish enough to hand his money over to a bogus tout that if touts weren't around he would creatively find another way to lose his money

nobody is going to stop a foolish gambler from losing his money..................................nobody

nobody is even going to be able to slow the losses down
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August 11th, 2019 at 6:03:43 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

the way you word your question is very amusing dude

it's like you're a criminal investigator

let's say somebody, anybody, not Joel, is selling picks

how much hard time do you think they should do?..................would 10 years be enough?.................................... 😃 😃 😃





I totally understand and agree with the Wiz's desire not to allow picks to be sold on his site





but outside of here what difference does it make anyway?

it's almost a sure thing that if a gambler is foolish enough to hand his money over to a bogus tout that if touts weren't around he would creatively find another way to lose his money

nobody is going to stop a foolish gambler from losing his money..................................nobody

nobody is even going to be able to slow the losses down



Axel's question is quite relevant. Because Joel has tried to sell picks a couple years ago on this site to uninformed members. I mean his record was atrocious, and he was lying through his teeth about his "success and method" but that's beside the point. He was still looking for clients on his information service or whatever it was that could help make you a better sports bettor.

Axel and I are here to call a spade a spade. Joel is back on this forum after a hiatus looking to get hot and nab a few clients. Predictably he'll give terrible picks again and fail, but the intent is quite clear after his first run here. If he fails, he'll disappear for a year, return, rinse and repeat.
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August 11th, 2019 at 6:04:11 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I don't have any problem with JoelDeze posting exactly what he said he would post, making picks in advance of games, and letting us follow along with whatever record he generates.



That's a shame, considering his intent is very well known.
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August 11th, 2019 at 9:02:47 AM permalink
Quote: SM777

That's a shame, considering his intent is very well known.



The precedent is well-set among dozens of examples. I am assuming that JD will ONLY be posting his picks as he described, not advertising any tout services or pay-to-play info for subscribers.

If people reach out to him in PM to buy something, caveat emptor. If HE PMs people attempting to sell something, immediate expulsion. Same as anyone else.
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August 11th, 2019 at 1:03:07 PM permalink
Quote: SM777


Axel and I are here to call a spade a spade. Joel is back on this forum after a hiatus looking to get hot and nab a few clients. Predictably he'll give terrible picks again and fail, but the intent is quite clear after his first run here. If he fails, he'll disappear for a year, return, rinse and repeat.




1. I don't believe Joel's picks will offer any edge and I don't recommend anyone use them

2. You lump yourself in with Axel - but Axel's posts are much more valuable than yours

3. you absolutely needlessly harassed and trolled GWAE when he made it abundantly clear that his picks were just for fun - he informed everybody he was a newcomer, he did mention his winning picks which were the first sports picks he ever made but he also said he expected to lose. your posts towards him really 𝐬𝐮𝐜𝐤𝐞𝐝

4. I went through about 90% of Joel's posts on football in 2017 and I didn't find a single reference to any outside website or picks service - if he PMed somebody and offered to sell them that would probably have been found out by the mods and they would have banned him

5. In 2017 Joel challenged you to prove that he was touting for money and clients and you didn't answer - see the image

6. You see yourself as some kind of Picks Police. people here aren't stupid. if somebody is touting for money they will easily see that

7. your posts re sports betting are virtually always negative and virtually always have little or no value. if somebody is picking and losing everybody can see that. nobody needs you to point it out





where's your answer to his question? - don't anybody waste their time looking - he didn't answer
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August 11th, 2019 at 1:20:46 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

The precedent is well-set among dozens of examples. I am assuming that JD will ONLY be posting his picks as he described, not advertising any tout services or pay-to-play info for subscribers.

If people reach out to him in PM to buy something, caveat emptor. If HE PMs people attempting to sell something, immediate expulsion. Same as anyone else.



I appreciate it but Just to set the record straight again, I’m not here to sell anything. I even cleaned up my profile to ensure no names were provided. Show me one time I was banned for doing such. It won’t be found.

This year I was just trying to have some fun by setting a starting bankroll and working with capital at risk as weeks progressed. I had no set expectations other than hoping to do well with the 1k bankroll.

I can see this is bothering some people here, namely SM and Axel, so it’s probably better to just close the thread. I’m really not the bad guy those two think I am. I had a really bad year a couple of years back so took one year off from doing any sports betting. It was a pretty humbling year in 2017.

My apologies to anyone I upset.

Good luck this year everyone.
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August 11th, 2019 at 5:15:54 PM permalink
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I appreciate it but Just to set the record straight again, I’m not here to sell anything. I even cleaned up my profile to ensure no names were provided. Show me one time I was banned for doing such. It won’t be found.

This year I was just trying to have some fun by setting a starting bankroll and working with capital at risk as weeks progressed. I had no set expectations other than hoping to do well with the 1k bankroll.

I can see this is bothering some people here, namely SM and Axel, so it’s probably better to just close the thread. I’m really not the bad guy those two think I am. I had a really bad year a couple of years back so took one year off from doing any sports betting. It was a pretty humbling year in 2017.

My apologies to anyone I upset.

Good luck this year everyone.

No, you are not bothering me, and no, I don't think you are a bad guy. I have no doubt you are a very intelligent nice person who knows more about sports and computer programming( or whatever you do) than most people. I actually believed you think there's some Merit to whatever you're doing, and it/you can beat Sports. Of course, you thought this about craps as well. As soon as I noticed that you peaked Bill Ryan's interests I realize that people needed to know that your history here. Because, there might just be one person who actually believes you have an advantage in sports. Perhaps you do, perhaps you don't, but let's get give everyone all the information regarding your history here so they can figure out what's up for themselves. Feel free to post picks all day, just do us a favor, if and when Your picks go sour, don't do like last time and run away. I actually look forward to seeing what you can do.
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August 11th, 2019 at 6:51:39 PM permalink
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1. I don't believe Joel's picks will offer any edge and I don't recommend anyone use them

2. You lump yourself in with Axel - but Axel's posts are much more valuable than yours

3. you absolutely needlessly harassed and trolled GWAE when he made it abundantly clear that his picks were just for fun - he informed everybody he was a newcomer, he did mention his winning picks which were the first sports picks he ever made but he also said he expected to lose. your posts towards him really 𝐬𝐮𝐜𝐤𝐞𝐝

4. I went through about 90% of Joel's posts on football in 2017 and I didn't find a single reference to any outside website or picks service - if he PMed somebody and offered to sell them that would probably have been found out by the mods and they would have banned him

5. In 2017 Joel challenged you to prove that he was touting for money and clients and you didn't answer - see the image

6. You see yourself as some kind of Picks Police. people here aren't stupid. if somebody is touting for money they will easily see that

7. your posts re sports betting are virtually always negative and virtually always have little or no value. if somebody is picking and losing everybody can see that. nobody needs you to point it out





where's your answer to his question? - don't anybody waste their time looking - he didn't answer



A lot of this is nonsense. If you can't find Joel's post about touting, then he edited the post. He literally posted his website that that was like his user name with a dot com that links to his site to sign people up. If I remember, it was extremely cheap, like $20 a year. But that's besides the point. It's either been edited, or in the 10% you didn't look at. But, my bad for pissing off the rooster for pointing it out.

I call a spade a spade. Been behind the counter of the industry for 15 years. Many here haven't. It's a young industry expanding with the scum touts out there ready to pounce on anyone. I don't need to answer to Joel on a random challenge.

Sorry the truth hurts, snowflake.
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August 11th, 2019 at 7:28:20 PM permalink
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Quote: lilredrooster

1. I don't believe Joel's picks will offer any edge and I don't recommend anyone use them

2. You lump yourself in with Axel - but Axel's posts are much more valuable than yours

3. you absolutely needlessly harassed and trolled GWAE when he made it abundantly clear that his picks were just for fun - he informed everybody he was a newcomer, he did mention his winning picks which were the first sports picks he ever made but he also said he expected to lose. your posts towards him really 𝐬𝐮𝐜𝐤𝐞𝐝

4. I went through about 90% of Joel's posts on football in 2017 and I didn't find a single reference to any outside website or picks service - if he PMed somebody and offered to sell them that would probably have been found out by the mods and they would have banned him

5. In 2017 Joel challenged you to prove that he was touting for money and clients and you didn't answer - see the image

6. You see yourself as some kind of Picks Police. people here aren't stupid. if somebody is touting for money they will easily see that

7. your posts re sports betting are virtually always negative and virtually always have little or no value. if somebody is picking and losing everybody can see that. nobody needs you to point it out





where's your answer to his question? - don't anybody waste their time looking - he didn't answer



A lot of this is nonsense. If you can't find Joel's post about touting, then he edited the post. He literally posted his website that that was like his user name with a dot com that links to his site to sign people up. If I remember, it was extremely cheap, like $20 a year. But that's besides the point. It's either been edited, or in the 10% you didn't look at. But, my bad for pissing off the rooster for pointing it out.

I call a spade a spade. Been behind the counter of the industry for 15 years. Many here haven't. It's a young industry expanding with the scum touts out there ready to pounce on anyone. I don't need to answer to Joel on a random challenge.

Sorry the truth hurts, snowflake.

If I recall correctly, he sent a few of us a free membership pass to his services for a year. If we liked it we could then pay after that. I know I took a look at that site years ago, and I swear to God it had some Voodoo crap about the stars aligning and winning horse races on certain days of the year or some other type of horsesh*t. Someone can correct me if it was not him and it was somebody else.

I'm fairly certain Rome's can dig his up looking though all 10 of his PM's(-; There's almost no way in hell I could ever search through all mt PM's and locate that. If PG and Romes would stop sending me links to their grinder profiles it would be a lot easier. (-;
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August 11th, 2019 at 10:55:53 PM permalink
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If I recall correctly, he sent a few of us a free membership pass to his services for a year. If we liked it we could then pay after that. I know I took a look at that site years ago, and I swear to God it had some Voodoo crap about the stars aligning and winning horse races on certain days of the year or some other type of horsesh*t.




the 2 Picks Policemen have arrived on the scene with their lights flashing, their sirens blaring and their guns drawn
all picksters better duck and cover - you're about to get 𝑩𝑼𝑺𝑻𝑬𝑫......................................😃 😃 😃 😃 😃


take a look dude - and I'm ribbing you but I like you - is your memory fading - startin' to move around a bit slower? the years catching up with you a little bit?


finger stretch to read the small print:


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August 11th, 2019 at 11:46:10 PM permalink
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the 2 Picks Policemen have arrived on the scene with their lights flashing, their sirens blaring and their guns drawn
all picksters better duck and cover - you're about to get 𝑩𝑼𝑺𝑻𝑬𝑫......................................😃 😃 😃 😃 😃


take a look dude - and I'm ribbing you but I like you - is your memory fading - startin' to move around a bit slower? the years catching up with you a little bit?


finger stretch to read the small print:


Don't count my memory out yet, there is a good chance Joel had the same type of horsesh*t as well.
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August 11th, 2019 at 11:48:09 PM permalink
please delete - see above post - thanks
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August 11th, 2019 at 11:56:28 PM permalink
Anyone interested in a sports touts picks or advice I suggest taking the advice from a sports tout himself.

JoelDeze
"For anyone interested in doing this my recommendation is to visit the public library, find a book on STDs, put your dick in the book and slam it shut! That should get your mind off of this pretty quickly."
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August 12th, 2019 at 12:08:16 AM permalink
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JoelDeze May 12, 2016
No. We are between 200% and 500% ROI, depending on how much CAR (Capital at Risk) we want to take. Unfortunately, if we went to an Entity Investment option using this Bill, and depending on how many investors we had, we would have to greatly limit our CAR because at that point we would be managing other peoples' money.
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August 12th, 2019 at 12:22:22 AM permalink
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Oh you will love this.

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First, I'm averaging a 9-79 roll sequence now using my technique. But, before I share my technique, here are my thoughts on dice setting:

The probability of someone moving or motioning their arm in an exact pattern that is exact or similar is difficult at best. If you were to compare a motion to say, a golfer, the golfer won't set his tee in the same spot and has a much broader field to work with. Given the fact that any numerous muscle events, tiredness, etc. can set in, it is virtually impossible to consistently pattern arm motion.

The release point of the dice involves elevation, speed and accuracy, as well as control of many different muscles. These same muscles can and do become tired throughout the day.

How about chips? Random obstacles that can affect the pattern of dice throwing.

My belief is that dice setting doesn't work, won't work, and is as random as rain drops rolling down a windshield.

So, why am I here discussing a technique?

Because I believe in the order of the universe and actual randomness attuned to time and spatial concepts. I believe upsetting that randomness produces a good result. What do I do to achieve a long roll?

1. I relax. I'm happy. I'm carefree and light. I'm relaxed.
2. I roll the dice gently in front of me. I make sure the top 2 numbers and the 2 sides facing me don't add up to 7. I continue rolling in front of me until I achieve that result.
3. I toss the dice away from chips in view and tend to keep the dice on axis.
4. I put only a very slight back spin on the dice when I roll.
5. I think about the number I want to roll. The 7 is non-existent in my world.

You would think this wouldn't work but it does. Maybe it's related to Ki/Chi or karmic relationships, mystical patterns in the universe, or hell even the force - I don't know. What I do know is it's working a lot. I'm now on 7+ 30-min rolls over the last 4 days using this technique. Try it out or don't.

I thought I would share it anyways.

Good luck!!



PAY CLOSE ATTENTION.....

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"Maybe it's related to Ki/Chi or karmic relationships, mystical patterns in the universe, or hell even the force - I don't know. "



lilredrooster, let me know when you are ready to say.. "Axel you were right, yet again."
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August 12th, 2019 at 7:15:53 AM permalink
Personal attacks, calling out vague snippets from 3 years ago, one of which was supposed to be humorous with the Han Solo reference. And, complete hijacking of a thread. Will anything be done about it? Probably not.

For someone that just mentioned that I’m not bothering him, Axel you seem fairly bothered.

Not a single game has been posted yet and it’s up to 5 or 6 pages now filled with character profiling, CSI and investigative work the likes of which Homer Simpson would be proud.

Just stop already. Enough is enough.
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August 12th, 2019 at 8:52:39 AM permalink
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Personal attacks, calling out vague snippets from 3 years ago, one of which was supposed to be humorous with the Han Solo reference. And, complete hijacking of a thread. Will anything be done about it? Probably not.

For someone that just mentioned that I’m not bothering him, Axel you seem fairly bothered.

Not a single game has been posted yet and it’s up to 5 or 6 pages now filled with character profiling, CSI and investigative work the likes of which Homer Simpson would be proud.

Just stop already. Enough is enough.




Maybe Axel is acting strangely because his zodiac sign and his ki/chi are in conflict this month
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August 13th, 2019 at 3:07:47 AM permalink
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lilredrooster, let me know when you are ready to say.. "Axel you were right, yet again."




he did say "we" and refers to 200-500% in you post - I'm not sure what the "we" means - it sounds like he's part of a team or the leader of a team

it's very far from saying "I've got the Lock of the Season and you can get it for only $99.95"

the rest of it is just nonsense........................if you banned everybody for posting nonsense 80% of the forum would disappear

but I will admit that I don't think he would provide any real benefit here other than entertainment watching him lose - which can be quite entertaining


but there are other issues here - other picksters who were obviously not touts have been badgered here - you pointed it out yourself with GWAE

there have been other times

whatever - time to move on - I don't think anybody who follows some of this is going to post picks here - too much negativity

but I'm aware I don't have the right to stop it - I can only comment
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August 13th, 2019 at 4:43:56 AM permalink
Sounds interesting ;)
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August 13th, 2019 at 10:46:59 AM permalink
Only one game will be posted for week 0 and it’s the Florida/Miami game. I’ll wager it on the 22nd and post everything that evening.
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August 13th, 2019 at 10:57:01 AM permalink
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Only one game will be posted for week 0 and it’s the Florida/Miami game. I’ll wager it on the 22nd and post everything that evening.



That sounds like a difficult game to start with. I saw Miami is now starting a freshman quarterback. Good luck.
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