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NokTang
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October 23rd, 2018 at 7:28:34 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux


Though he put in a relatively great performance, Connor did not have a 1% chance before the fight started, let alone at that point.



If you knew that before the bout, well may we ask how much you won?

Regarding the stoppage, I recall but don't care enough to dig it out, but wasn't the over/under(rounds) impacted by the stoppage? Thanks.
Rigondeaux
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October 23rd, 2018 at 8:31:53 AM permalink
I don't remember but I started getting Floyd at -1300 or something and never dreamed it would get where it did.

I said on the forum several times that Connor had no realistic chance.

That was, to some degree, speculation on my part though the premise of an amateur beating an all time great elite athlete in his sport seems objectively far fetched. Guess it was logically possible that Connor was some kind of once every 1,000 year talent who could achieve such a thing.

Upon watching the fight, it was clear that this was not the case and Connor could only win if Floyd tore his Achilles or something.
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October 23rd, 2018 at 9:39:23 AM permalink
A skydive could have landed on Mayweather mid bout and he still wouldn't lose that fight.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
ZenKinG
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October 23rd, 2018 at 11:46:58 AM permalink
Another suspicious 'injury' to one of the bulls main players. That's 2 of their best players once again out at the beginning of the season just like last year. I watched the whole game yesterday and NOT once did I see Kris Dunn hurt his knee. Apparently they even checked him out during the game and had him return to the game after seeing nothing. So either this medical staff is completely incompetent which is very possible as their main players go down every year or these players are faking it. This was his first game back after coincidentally having a kid as soon as the season starts. Really? Out of 365 days in the year, it just happened to fall on the exact day the season started or maybe the night before? You just cant make this stuff up.

Theyre saying hes now out for 4-6 weeks with a moderate MCL injury. We already have our best player Markannen out 6-8 weeks with some random elbow sprain thag he apparently hurt in PRACTICE in the offseason? I mean really? Not to mention the perfect timing touch fouls called all throughout the game once again to keep the score close that ultimately ended with the bulls losing by 6 when the spread was +5. Wow what a wonderful coincidence. Im honestly done watching sports. It's clear as day what is happening. The books got hammered on the Bulls over 27.5 that now theres people behind the scenes paying off these players to fake injuries. The whole league needs to be investigated. Complete and utter embarassment.
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MaxPen
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October 23rd, 2018 at 11:53:28 AM permalink
I doubt the total money on Bulls over 27.5 even equals 1 players salary for the year.
ZenKinG
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October 23rd, 2018 at 12:09:56 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

I doubt the total money on Bulls over 27.5 even equals 1 players salary for the year.



Enough to move the spread to 30.5. No other team in the league moved more than 1.5 in either direction. The bulls moved +3. That basically confirms how right I was about my initial analysis on betting the over. I didnt even mention another really good player in my original analysis, which I dont know how I left him out, that being Justin Holiday. The bulls at 27.5 was way too good to be true, that's for sure.

You guys can say whatever you want and try to rationalize whatever, but that's what these corrupt mafia ridden people behind the scenes prey on. Everything is perfectly carved out to make anyone with a rational explanation just look the other way. I honestly could live with the refs and the commissioner being the only ones 'in' on the fix, but if the players are now in on it as well, that would completely ruin sports for me in general. And from what ive seen over the years is that these injuries happen at the 'perfect timing' every single time.

I also wish someone would do a study on how close the score by the end of the 4th quarter correlates to the point spread every single game of the season, including the playoffs. You would quickly realize this is beyond natural. In a natural fair game, no amount of data analysis by the bookies could predict such a high correlation every game to the point spread. If the spread is 7 points, the 4th quarter is ALWAYS maybe 99% of the time within a range of a 5 to 10 point lead with 5 minutes to go. You're telling me that's legit? If it's a 3 point spread, the game is either anywhere from a tie game to a 5 point game, etc. Just go ahead and observe throughout an NBA game how it has been called by the refs and combine it together and you reach the rigged conclusion that I have.

Here's a nice little observation for any of you. Just pay attention to the next nba game you watch and notice the inconsistency of calls from the first 2-3 quarters and the last 1-2 quarters. The touch fouls you saw early in the game on one team are completely nonexistent when they need to 'come back' and get within the point spread by the end of the 4th quarter. The other team is now getting called for ticky tack fouls whereas the whole game they were getting all the calls both defensively and offensively. It will make you absolutely disgusted.

This is not a normal standard deviation and range of results. In a natural occurring game with no fix, you wouldnt see 99% of results after 43 minutes of action always clearly line up between a certain range of numbers based on the initial spread. If the spread is supposed to be a 50/50 probability with their edge coming from ripping you off 10% on the payout, then how are they predicting with 99% accuracy the range of results every single 4th quarter? Why doesnt a 10+ point NBA underdog ever blow out the favorite team outright and not only cover, but win the moneyline as well and when I say win the moneyline, I dont mean by barely winning by a point, but just straight blowing them out? In a natural occurring game, you would see that happen a lot more times than is happening in these rigged games across all professional sports.

I really hope Im wrong for the sake of how much I love to watch sports, but I just have given up total hope after I started realizing what is truly happening.
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October 23rd, 2018 at 1:03:36 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Enough to move the spread to 30.5. No other team in the league moved more than 1.5 in either direction. The bulls moved +3. That basically confirms how right I was about my initial analysis on betting the over. I didnt even mention another really good player in my original analysis, which I dont know how I left him out, that being Justin Holiday. The bulls at 27.5 was way too good to be true, that's for sure.

You guys can say whatever you want and try to rationalize whatever, but that's what these corrupt mafia ridden people behind the scenes prey on. Everything is perfectly carved out to make anyone with a rational explanation just look the other way. I honestly could live with the refs and the commissioner being the only ones 'in' on the fix, but if the players are now in on it as well, that would completely ruin sports for me in general. And from what ive seen over the years is that these injuries happen at the 'perfect timing' every single time.

I also wish someone would do a study on how close the score by the end of the 4th quarter correlates to the point spread every single game of the season, including the playoffs. You would quickly realize this is beyond natural. In a natural fair game, no amount of data analysis by the bookies could predict such a high correlation every game to the point spread. If the spread is 7 points, the 4th quarter is ALWAYS maybe 99% of the time within a range of a 5 to 10 point lead with 5 minutes to go. You're telling me that's legit? If it's a 3 point spread, the game is either anywhere from a tie game to a 5 point game, etc. Just go ahead and observe throughout an NBA game how it has been called by the refs and combine it together and you reach the rigged conclusion that I have.

Here's a nice little observation for any of you. Just pay attention to the next nba game you watch and notice the inconsistency of calls from the first 2-3 quarters and the last 1-2 quarters. The touch fouls you saw early in the game on one team are completely nonexistent when they need to 'come back' and get within the point spread by the end of the 4th quarter. The other team is now getting called for ticky tack fouls whereas the whole game they were getting all the calls both defensively and offensively. It will make you absolutely disgusted.

This is not a normal standard deviation and range of results. In a natural occurring game with no fix, you wouldnt see 99% of results after 43 minutes of action always clearly line up between a certain range of numbers based on the initial spread. If the spread is supposed to be a 50/50 probability with their edge coming from ripping you off 10% on the payout, then how are they predicting with 99% accuracy the range of results every single 4th quarter? Why doesnt a 10+ point NBA underdog ever blow out the favorite team outright and not only cover, but win the moneyline as well and when I say win the moneyline, I dont mean by barely winning by a point, but just straight blowing them out? In a natural occurring game, you would see that happen a lot more times than is happening in these rigged games across all professional sports.

I really hope Im wrong for the sake of how much I love to watch sports, but I just have given up total hope after I started realizing what is truly happening.




I have a hard time understanding how you can draw a lot of those conclusions with certainty yet cannot figure out how to exploit the exploiters.
FleaStiff
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October 23rd, 2018 at 2:24:48 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

I think everything is rigged these days .

I would think you are right. Tour de France rigged? That was the last straw for me.

There are always Sharpies out there who have no qualms about making a dishonest dollar and always people who will take a look at the stick and take a look at the carrot and know what to do.
Rigondeaux
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October 23rd, 2018 at 2:47:32 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

I doubt the total money on Bulls over 27.5 even equals 1 players salary for the year.



I admit that I am guessing. But with Max bets around $500 to $2000 ( I think) I guess that any individual book's exposure on this tops out at a bad player's salary for 1 game.

Never mind the books themselves, which made $250 million in hold last year, just in Nevada

One thing I do believe though is that a player timed the birth of his child to save South Point sports book $4,000.
FleaStiff
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October 23rd, 2018 at 6:11:43 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff


Consider various Overs in Cricket Test Matches.
Playing to a lesser advantage will hardly be detected, won't cost any points and wont affect the game.
So it is relatively easy to get a player to accept a hundred grand to do it.


The money is made on Mendas and Maidens.
Mendas might be comparable to an UNDER and of course a Maiden is a zero score in the Over which means that a fixer has to have fixed each of the two teams.
The play will still appear to be reasonable

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