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ZenKinG
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October 19th, 2018 at 2:08:32 PM permalink
Now anyone with half a brain has noticed some bizarre calls in sports if you have been watching as long as I have and Im not just talking about the NBA, but lets stick with the NBA for just one second. This is the precise reason I dont bet sports anymore. When I used to bet it was low stakes recreationally, but also at one point crunched all the numbers and made educated decisions for each game that I wanted to bet to make sure it had some long run success. I believe I broke even or lost a small amount when I actually studied the numbers, but I didnt take notes of my profits and losses as it was mostly low stake recreational stuff that I did many years ago before I played blackjack. Im sure I did lose money though, but not much, when I didnt analyze any of the data.

Nonetheless, lets get into it. Once you start having money on the line, you really start noticing EVERYTHING and I mean everything. The inconsistencies in the calls from the start of the game to the end of the game. The clearest calls that are missed that even a 10 yr old can spot. Ive seen the most ridiculous calls in a playoff series where the refs blew the simplest calls at the end of the game that cost a team the series. I believe it was the Clippers several years ago around 2013 i forget against who, maybe it was the upcoming Warriors when they just started getting good. I believe it involved Matt Barnes but cannot recall the play exactly. I just remember it was one of the biggest blown calls that Ive ever seem and really got me questioning the integrity of the game once and for all. It got the whole country and coach to speak out on what happened. I dont believe they had 'replay' to review the call as they do now back then, but calls like these still happen today.

You then also got scenarios such as when a team thats losing by 20 with a spread of +8 suddenly gets all the calls just to get it close, but at the start of the game these SAME calls were nonexistent and vice versa. Or you have a team that's a favorite that's losing by 10 in the 4th quarter suddenly get every single call every time they drive into the paint. You see the softest touch fouls that are not fouls even with todays soft rule book, but then realize it goes hand in hand with the team that needs to come back and meet the spread. What a coincidence.

Ive also seen the most bizarre injuries where someone never even got hurt, suddenly go down and now the other team comes back in the playoff series. One recent example I remember was in 2015, the bulls were up 2-1 vs the cavs in the conference semis and Pau Gasol, one of their main players MYSTERIOUSLY goes down for 2 games with a hamstring injury and now the cavs take a 3-2 lead and eventually win the series. I dont remember at any point in the game where he got hurt. If somehow the players are IN on it as well, that simply would destroy my whole enjoyment of sports. I rather only the refs be rigging it and the players not be in on it, but who really knows anymore? What safeguards exactly are there in place if the main player on a team wants to throw a game for his friend betting huge stakes on the game? How would anyone know? Not to mention the refs in game 4 with a CLEAR as day technical foul that should have been called on their coach David Blatt after trying to call timeout with NO timeouts. This was right before Lebron hit the game winner to make it 2-2. Had he called the technical foul on the coach, lebrons shot ties the game. Not to mention a questionable push off on jimmy butler before lebron hit that game winner. What about as recent as last year where Chris Paul mysteriously ALSO goes down with a hamstring injury when the Rockets were up 3-2 vs the Warriors. Dont remember at any point Chris Paul getting hurt in the game. I mean seriously?

It just boggles my mind to the point that it simply has to be rigged. This is also happening in every other sport, whether it be college basketball, college football, the NFL, etc, the most bizarre things happen and then you look up the spread for that game and you understand why it happened. I dont even have a horse in this race anymore, but I still notice it. These refs are as corrupt as these casinos and maybe they work together, who really knows. Let's not forget the whole Tim Donaghy scandal and him then coming out and saying refs today are STILL doing it. 'Doing' it as in point shaving and rigging the games like he did. Let's also not forget the NBA actually coming out and ENDORSING sports betting LOL. They're not even shy about it anymore.

Yes the counter arguments are well these players make hundreds of millions with their contracts and endorsement deals so they wouldnt risk it, but thats the players and who would really find out anyway if they threw a game for their friend? But what about the refs? Theyre not exactly getting paid huge sums of money. If it can happen, it could and will happen as you've seen with casinos gettint caught red handed with rigging their games as well corrupt ref Tim Donaghy in 2002 in the Lakers v Kings series where Lakers got about 40 free throws in the 4th quarter of one pivotal game. Whole thing makes me sick.
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VCUSkyhawk
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October 19th, 2018 at 2:11:31 PM permalink
<insert Michael Jackson popcorn gif>
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October 19th, 2018 at 3:09:15 PM permalink
i believe there is math being done, as in they probably can rank players and mix teams up so they create teams that are relatively better and worst but its not by much. All of the owners are probably friends and no matter what, they all have one goal and thats to get you to pay for cable, tickets, and merch.

players choosing to recieve a penalty? yeah maybe they can be paid off but do it in front of millions of people and make it not look suspicious

i truly belive you about sands and harrahs. and i dont watch sports. so i am going to believe what you are saying as of this point because if someone is going to go out of their way to discredit you about the sands or harrahs ill go out of my way to show them they are wrong. ive pushed the shoes to their limits.
FinsRule
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October 19th, 2018 at 3:09:29 PM permalink
Your overall point that, if sports are rigged, it would be done by refs or unpaid players (NCAA) makes sense.

Tennis matches have been rigged. Horse races have been rigged.

So it does happen. But just because it does happen, doesn't mean it's always happening.
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October 19th, 2018 at 3:10:48 PM permalink
Well, at least we know now that that ZK isn't Duffel Bag Boy.
gordonm888
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October 19th, 2018 at 6:46:00 PM permalink
1. You think the refs are fixing the games.
2. Several of your examples of unlikely events affecting the outcome are "mysterious hamstring pulls" disabling key players.

How do referees cause "mysterious hamstring pulls?"
ZenKinG
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October 19th, 2018 at 7:04:43 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

1. You think the refs are fixing the games.
2. Several of your examples of unlikely events affecting the outcome are "mysterious hamstring pulls" disabling key players.

How do referees cause "mysterious hamstring pulls?"



If you actually read my post, you would see that I provided both of those possibilities as to the games being rigged. Refs fixing games and players purposely missing games by helping one of their friends win a bet etc. Wouldnt be surprised either if these players were bought out by someone behind the scenes. As crazy as that sounds, ive seen time and time again players mysteriously missing games in comparison to the win totals at the time or an underdog winning in a playoff series etc. I forget the saying, but if you have ruked every possibility out, then the unlikely event however rare of happening is the truth.
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October 19th, 2018 at 7:36:45 PM permalink
Id be interested in learning the unwritten rules. Seems if one call is blatantly wrong, there might be a make up where the other team is called for a penalty in a critical situation or the wronged team gets a slide. Yet sometimes it doesn't happen, so doesn't seem to be much of a rule. Nobody ever came out, proving institutional rigging, probably not true.
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ZenKinG
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October 19th, 2018 at 10:15:18 PM permalink
I kid you not, before the game started tonight, I looked at the Warriors vs Jazz with the Warriors at -2 in a tough place to play in UTah where they usually struggle to win. You want to know what I said and I swear on my grave. I said Warriors will win by 1 just enough to not cover the spread but maintain their winning ways. What do you know, the Warriors win by 1. Not to mention, everything happened that I talked about in this thread as well. The Warriors down by 10 in the 4th quarter and they miraculously come back LOL. The NBA is an absolute joke. How can the spread more often than not always be so close at the end of every single game? If the refs arent manipulating it for their own good and betting on their own games, then it has to be an inside job by the league as a whole to keep the spread as close as possible for TV RATINGS. It's as simple as that. Just look at the league endorsing sports betting. It's an absolute joke. This is again why Ill never bet sports again.

Someone go ahead and tell me the last time a 10+ pt underdog just blew a team out? If it happens, it happens once in a blue moon. This is completely unnatural. In a natural game, especially throughout an 82 game season, all this bs of the score always being so close to the spread at the end of a game would never happen.
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October 19th, 2018 at 10:51:10 PM permalink
I'm confused.
Experts look at two teams, their schedules, injuries and a million other things and determine the Warriors are two point favorites. The game ends and the experts were off by one point. To me, that shows why they are the experts and why it is hard for me to make money betting sports. To you, it isn't about how competitive the two teams are, it's about how the refs are going to slowly and quietly manipulate the actions of twenty plus unwilling participants into a result they concoct.
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