Are Sports truly rigged?
Quote: TigerWuIf there's that many moving parts I would think it would be even harder to fix a game within a couple of points.
Why would a close game in the 4th quarter effect ratings?
People who want to watch the game have already been doing so since the 1st quarter.
People who have bet on the game don't even need to be watching to win or lose, so ratings are irrelevant for them.
people would watch less if games were constantly known to be decided half way through the third qtr.
the fact is more people watch a close game ,thats close till the end. national tv games often do that. thats more commercials.
as smart as the world thinks it is. commercials load into your subconscious very easily.
hey dont call it programming for nothing.
Quote: WizardI speculate that is because it wasn't defined by what level of confidence you declare a bias. Also, how is it defined how dark "dark skin" is?
Imagine yourself sitting there in front of a television set quaffing a few drinks from time to time. You really going to have trouble with "definitions"? Would perhaps some randomly selected ten year old kid be able to answer the question for you. The teams were composed of expert researchers who can establish their own standards as long as they disclose them.
The significant point is not did some teams consider "Player X" to be light skinned and other teams consider him to be dark skinned. It is once such determinations were made by whatever method and with whatever confidence desired, were they able to determine umpire bias?
Quote: RigondeauxNot everything I said was in reference to your post Tom. I was saying even the examples you gave were questionable. Then pontificating about the subject as a whole, which is part of what you discussed.
But no I don't see how the NFL draft is rigged. It is designed to help the worst teams. I don't know. Are tournaments that reward the best teams with byes or good seeds rigged? That just doesn't make sense with my understanding of the word.
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the order of the draft is a narrative. the league decides which players go where. theres no individual team decisions.
the league is one entertainment entity.
Quote: thinwhitedukethe order of the draft is a narrative. the league decides which players go where. theres no individual team decisions.
the league is one entertainment entity.
lol
That's not how it works
Quote: terapinedlol
That's not how it works
Look, dude, do you want to become an adult and learn reality or don't you? Thats,exactly how it works.
All pro leagues are staged entertainment. The nfl in its own copyright rules , is listed as,m entertainment, not a competitive league. They can have any outcome they want and it's legal. The nfl is a tv show. The teams are one company. Not 32 separate companies.
It's obvious when the Giants draft a guy named Eli Apple, that it's entirely set up.
Quote: thinwhitedukeLook, dude, do you want to become an adult and learn reality or don't you?
I disagree and you come at me with the above BS. What's wrong with you. Easily offended when somebody simply disagrees?
Quote: thinwhiteduke
Thats,exactly how it works.
Prove it.
Quote: thinwhiteduke
All pro leagues are staged entertainment. The nfl in its own copyright rules , is listed as,m entertainment, not a competitive league. They can have any outcome they want and it's legal. The nfl is a tv show. The teams are one company. Not 32 separate companies.
It's obvious when the Giants draft a guy named Eli Apple, that it's entirely set up.
Its entertainment
but
You are confusing Pro wrestling with the NFL
lol
Quote: thinwhitedukeLook, dude, do you want to become an adult and learn reality or don't you? Thats,exactly how it works.
All pro leagues are staged entertainment. The nfl in its own copyright rules , is listed as,m entertainment, not a competitive league. They can have any outcome they want and it's legal. The nfl is a tv show. The teams are one company. Not 32 separate companies.
It's obvious when the Giants draft a guy named Eli Apple, that it's entirely set up.
Well, you certainly proved your wild speculation with that last tidbit. It's perfectly obvious the fix is in. But what did the Giants trading Eli Apple do to your theory?
Quote: terapinedI disagree and you come at me with the above BS. What's wrong with you. Easily offended when somebody simply disagrees?
Prove it.
Its entertainment
but
You are confusing Pro wrestling with the NFL
lol
I just did prove it by explaining how the league is legally documented and how obvious it is when NY drafts an Eli Apple.
As gamblers, you'd think you'd learn the history of the league by now.
Pro sports leagues were invented by bookies and horsemen, to begin with. It's entire purpose from day one was ripping off fans. Jocks were just poor schlubs who played to get paid. The only difference today is they get paid more. If a DB is told, let the guy catch and score In The final seconds, he does exactly that or he won't make his 7 digit contract.
If sports were real and teams cared about winning. Brady would be limping away from the game in 2010 with a Jets helmet logo embedded in his back.
Quote: billryanWell, you certainly proved your wild speculation with that last tidbit. It's perfectly obvious the fix is in. But what did the Giants trading Eli Apple do to your theory?
It doesn't matter. They still initially drafted him and used him for a season and more. That's just one tiny example obviously. My point is, if it looks too good to be true, it obviously is. People have lost touch with their common sense. They've taught their brain to come up with all these excuses, instead of calling a spade, a spade.
Man, I would feel like a puts knowing I was asleep for 29+ years of my life. I guess you can feel proud knowing you woke up and most of us are still a sleep, and will never wake up.Quote: thinwhitedukedisagreeing about the origin of a league and its devices , has nothing to do with paranoia or mental illness.
no bookie or vegas bookie has any more ability then you and i to pick a spread.. and yet they are constantly near that line. that is direct evidence its staged, if you actually have the critical thinking skills you say you do. you cant call something a coincidence 200 times a month ( also, there is no such thing as coincidence.. they teach you that in the first week of military intelligence training)
i'm 54 and watched sports since i was a child. 4 years ago i realized it was nothing more than entertainment and not competition. i still watch sports to investigate it and prove to myself.. the fact is, if sports were real.. you wouldnt have last seconds , close ooutcomes every week. they would be rare.
QBs wouldnt and couldnt last 20 years. there would actually be ugly super stars because the league would only care about talent. since tv took over, no one who lasts and is popular, is ugly lol.
"and yet they are constantly near that line." I haven't put much thought into this since I'm still asleep, but it seems to me there would there would be an opportunity to make some life changing money knowing what you know. How much are ya making betting on sports?
Quote: thinwhitedukePeople have lost touch with their common sense.
No kidding. That's what I think when I read your posts in this thread
If the NFL was fixed, 1/3 the teams would be 9-7, 1/3 8-8 and 1/3 7-9 winning records
Goodells fantasy is parity
Quote: billryanSo them drafting a guy named Apple proves all sports are fixed, but them trading him doesn't matter. How did we miss this?
Did he go there from college and play there, yes. Is his name the same as the city and the QB ,yes. Thats all that matters. Like I said,thats just a tiny example.
It's an example that these players aren't even using real names. It's the same as movie actors. These are jock actors. The successful QBS are by and large good looking and well spoken and always named Jim,Joe, John,Johnny, since tv took over, no famous players are ugly or have funny, stupid names like your neighbor or you.
I guarantee, Sam Darnold will not be a successful QB lol. If you collect his,autograph ll it now before the season starts.
Quote: terapinedNo kidding. That's what I think when I read your posts in this thread
If the NFL was fixed, 1/3 the teams would be 9-7, 1/3 8-8 and 1/3 7-9 winning records
Goodells fantasy is parity
Um..haven't you noticed they started the parity propaganda and their starting to do that for the last couple years already.
They invented the free agency, parity narrative, so you'd buy a majority of teams finishing with those records.
It's already been stated here by others. If the games were real, a lot of games every week wouldn't come down to the final 2 minutes/ seconds/play etc.
That happened when tv got more involved with their huge contracts with the leagues.
And by the way. Goodell has no power.hes just window dressing, a spokesman, a puppet for the owners.he makes no actual decisions. Like the movie, the Godfather. He's not a boss, just the lawyer mouthpiece.
Quote: thinwhitedukeUm..haven't you noticed they started the parity propaganda and their starting to do that for the last couple years already.
They invented the free agency, parity narrative, so you'd buy a majority of teams finishing with those records.
It's already been stated here by others. If the games were real, a lot of games every week wouldn't come down to the final 2 minutes/ seconds/play etc.
That happened when tv got more involved with their huge contracts with the leagues.
And by the way. Goodell has no power.hes just window dressing, a spokesman, a puppet for the owners.he makes no actual decisions. Like the movie, the Godfather. He's not a boss, just the lawyer mouthpiece.
You just signed up today and certainly seem to be confrontational for a new poster. Do we know you?
Only if you bet the Chicago Bulls season win total “over” and are the most cursed person on Earth.
Quote: arethamorcein local sports maybe like you said NBA, but not international sports like boxing
oh no, no, no,.
any major boxing match is most certainly fixed. theres no border to any of it.
America didnt invent cheating and lying
You're all about numbers. Numbers,numbers,numbers..
Wouldn't you notice certain repetitions and wonder,what's up with that?
Jim Plunkett,Joe Montana, Jared Goff, all QBs on California teams went to Super bowls.
You can't call that kind of symmetry a coincidence.
Players don't pick their own numbers, that's a lie, a myth. Their numbers are based on a few things like numerology etc.
Quote: thinwhitedukePlayers don't pick their own numbers, that's a lie, a myth. Their numbers are based on a few things like numerology etc.
WTF
In football, the numbers are based on position
Quote: terapinedWTF
In football, the numbers are based on position
Did you notice what I just said in my entire post, or didn't you? The limiting of numbers per position does not take away from my point. They still choose whst number each player gets. The fact they limit their choices per position, proves my point further.
Quote: thinwhiteduke
no bookie or vegas bookie has any more ability then you and i to pick a spread.. and yet they are constantly near that line. that is direct evidence its staged, if you actually have the critical thinking skills you say you do. you cant call something a coincidence 200 times a month ( also, there is no such thing as coincidence.. they teach you that in the first week of military intelligence training)
i'm 54 and watched sports since i was a child. 4 years ago i realized it was nothing more than entertainment and not competition. i still watch sports to investigate it and prove to myself.. the fact is, if sports were real.. you wouldnt have last seconds , close ooutcomes every week. they would be rare.
QBs wouldnt and couldnt last 20 years. there would actually be ugly super stars because the league would only care about talent. since tv took over, no one who lasts and is popular, is ugly lol.
Are you serious? Vegas Sportsbooks have no interest in predicting the score of a game. They set a line based on predicting what number will have the best chance of people betting both sides of the line equally. They have a lot of experience and data on that, and the lines do move when there is too much action on one side or the other.
Take a piece of cake and have 2 children split it up. One gets to cut the cake in half, the other gets to choose which piece they want. You will get a very fair division in this case. The Sportsbooks are cutting the cake. The players are choosing a slice.
Quote: ThinWhiteDukeQBs wouldnt and couldnt last 20 years. there would actually be ugly super stars because the league would only care about talent. since tv took over, no one who lasts and is popular, is ugly lol.
I don't suppose you have ever heard of Yogi Berra then?
Andrew Luck is pretty damn ugly. Eli ain't much to look at IMO. Peyton looks kind of like a baby. Rivers just looks like a random dude to me. Ben seems on the ugly side. Wilson seems about average.
Aaron Rogers? He kind of falls into the zone where I can't tell. You'd have to ask a girl, or Axl.
Also, when people get into the public eye they tend to try much harder on their appearance.
Quote: billryanBut the GMen drafted Eli Apple. How can you argue with that?
That was simply a tiny, tip of the iceberg, intro example.
Makes no difference. My second example is blatant proof of a predetermined event
Quote: RigondeauxI never thought I'd be debunking paranoid conspiracy theories by rating the attractiveness of NFL QBs.
Andrew Luck is pretty damn ugly. Eli ain't much to look at IMO. Peyton looks kind of like a baby. Rivers just looks like a random dude to me. Ben seems on the ugly side. Wilson seems about average.
Aaron Rogers? He kind of falls into the zone where I can't tell. You'd have to ask a girl, or Axl.
Also, when people get into the public eye they tend to try much harder on their appearance.
Lol there's more than one variable of course. No where did I say that was the only reason. Your cherry picking, does not in any way take away from my example /point overall. You can't deny that there's truth in what I say.
Calling Luck ugly is a pretty weak argument also.
It's a guarantee that Darnold won't be the next big anything. He looks like howdy doody abd his name sounds like retard
Quote: FCBLComishI don't suppose you have ever heard of Yogi Berra then?
What's your point? That has nothing to do with anything. He's a baseball player from before tv was dominant. The Yankees were winning world series to help grow and expand the economy in that region.
Baseball players last longer, so what?
Quote: thinwhitedukeWhat's your point? That has nothing to do with anything. He's a baseball player from before tv was dominant. The Yankees were winning world series to help grow and expand the economy in that region.
Baseball players last longer, so what?
You're getting a little more defensive and ruder to each person who talks to you. You can't post some mystical number thing and not expect people to just believe it, right?
And, no, the only thing uglier than most quarterbacks are most rock stars. So I'm not with you on that one, either. They wear helmets. People care how they throw or scramble, so will forgive them lots in the looks department.
Quote: beachbumbabsYou're getting a little more defensive and ruder to each person who talks to you. You can't post some mystical number thing and not expect people to just believe it, right?
And, no, the only thing uglier than most quarterbacks are most rock stars. So I'm not with you on that one, either. They wear helmets. People care how they throw or scramble, so will forgive them lots in the looks department.
I haven't been rude at all. You choose to see it that way. I asked what was the point of that undefined comment. Rude is when I call you names and make it personal. I have done no such thing. I'm just your acquaintance at the bar, kidding around with you :) .
Nothing mystical about it. You just choose to stay close minded. I've shown you a pattern with the 16. You want to get better at gambling, you need to gain insight into more patterns /numbers.
And the fact is you seem to have difficulty with what's good looking at what Isnt. Most star jocks do in fact look like actors, you can't deny that. Rock stars? All top 40 stars look better then they allowed people to look in 70s and 80s who were famous. You want to be a better gambler? You're going to have to become open minded and learn gematria and numerology. When they say, everything happens for a reason. That's what they are talking about.
That is wise, but the sports books don't care if you are a sensible gambler or not, they only care if you place a bet. Superstitious or irrational types usually have money that is just as green as the sensible, disciplined bettors.Quote: beachbumbabsI'm always interested in being a better gambler. That's why I don't try to fool myself into seeing patterns in random independent events.
Hunters automatically try to find patterns and penetrate camouflage, perhaps its a vestige of such instincts that we still look for patterns.
Quote: beachbumbabsI'm always interested in being a better gambler. That's why I don't try to fool myself into seeing patterns in random independent events, or ignore the fact that they assign a small range of numbers to each position in football, so there are going to be many duplications.
The problem I find with random patterns is understanding how they are effected by chaos theory. Mixing random and chaos is like chasing tequila with scotch.
Quote: billryanThe problem I find with random patterns is understanding how they are effected by chaos theory. Mixing random and chaos is like chasing tequila with scotch.
Ugh. I'm already retching. Lol...
Quote: beachbumbabsI'm always interested in being a better gambler. That's why I don't try to fool myself into seeing patterns in random independent events, or ignore the fact that they assign a small range of numbers to each position in football, so there are going to be many duplications.
Because you don't even understand gematria and numerology to begin with. There's nothing random about patterns. You fail to realize you are fooling yourself right now. Until you realize you are watching a predetermined event, you will continue to fool yourself.
The warriors didn't start winning championships till they started building a new stadium.
Same with Rams and 49ers making it to SBs when building new stadiums. Falcons/Cardinals /Titans/Ravens .. build a new stadium, and odds,are good you'll get a playoff run soon. Vikings didn't make SB yet but they did get playoffs.
It's a given that the Raiders will succeed when they move. The leagues realize fans are so stupid now, they don't even wait a year or two. Out of the blue teams win and no one suspects anything. The Golden Knights lol
For more than a decade now, in California, each year, at least one team from one of the 4 major sports, has made it to a conf championship or final. That's not lucky coincidence.
And please, don't say something like, ...well they have 3 or 4 teams in California, so they have a better chance....4 teams out of 32.. or 16 out of 100 something teams, does not add up to 100% probability for a decade.
It's blatant collusion. No ifs ands or buts about it.
The reason Seattle went to two SBS is because they took out the Sonics and their revenue stream.
Now they'll have expansion hockey team in a year and seahawks can drop off. Follow the money.
Another reason the Warriors are winning and the Sharks, who have also already been in a final.. is because the leagues already knew, years in advance, thst they were moving the Raiders. People with billions, know what they will do, years before you ever find out.
The internet is the gift that keeps on giving.
that was their 113th playoff win on the 113th day of the year(if you dont stop for a little bit and ponder that, theres something wrong with you). Ignoring that as coincidence is ridiculous. The knights simply laid down.
also, this is season 101 in the NhL. Sharks are only team to have 101 points at end of season.
you cant keep chanting coincidence like a 6 year old kid.
do I know theyll make finals or win finals? no, at the very least, I picked them to make conference championship because of the california connection I just told you about.
whether they do or not, I already know its rigged from top to bottom. No outcome is a natural competition chance.
Quote: FleaStiffThat is wise, but the sports books don't care if you are a sensible gambler or not, they only care if you place a bet. Superstitious or irrational types usually have money that is just as green as the sensible, disciplined bettors.
Hunters automatically try to find patterns and penetrate camouflage, perhaps its a vestige of such instincts that we still look for patterns.
Patterns in human behavior is a smart thing to look for. Why do some NFL teams have trouble with one other team over decades? All different players, except all the players are connected over time and there is some mentality at play? Just heard on one of the podcasts I listen to how and NBA team, Wizards maybe, almost always loses the first playoff game of the year. This is over a dozen plus trials. Is there something about the team culture that sets this up? A smart better will look at this history.
Of course patterns do not matter with mechanical things like cards and balls. Though if you are in a bad run it might be good to walk away if only for your mental health.
Don’t forget Drew Brees’ Mole.Quote: RigondeauxI never thought I'd be debunking paranoid conspiracy theories by rating the attractiveness of NFL QBs.
Andrew Luck is pretty damn ugly. Eli ain't much to look at IMO. Peyton looks kind of like a baby. Rivers just looks like a random dude to me. Ben seems on the ugly side. Wilson seems about average.
Aaron Rogers? He kind of falls into the zone where I can't tell. You'd have to ask a girl, or Axl.
Also, when people get into the public eye they tend to try much harder on their appearance.
Quote: RigondeauxI never thought I'd be debunking paranoid conspiracy theories by rating the attractiveness of NFL QBs.
Eli ain't much to look at IMO.
you're joking right?
Quote: ZenKingSure, sometimes I might be grasping at straws with some of the assertions I make, but the point is you can't truly rule anything out. I just laugh at the people who immediately try to 'label' you and call you insane or to go see a doctor. This is the product of what society has trained us to think of people with anything questioning the norm or what they have tried to ingrain in our heads since a young age. These people are only 'insane' when the world is asleep to what is actually going on. When the truth unveils itself, these 'insane' people turn out to be the geniuses. Funny how that works. Go ahead and remind me of what they said about Galileo when he claimed the world was a sphere while everyone including the government said it was flat. What happened after that?
Quote: thinwhitedukelast paragraph, yay
Well, no, I suppose you can’t. Did I get dressed today? Or am I imagining I put my clothes on? Are the moon landings real? Is Elvis alive? Is that my house? Is that my beautiful wife?
I think at some point you gotta pick something.
Quote: sabreIf you gave a thousand monkeys a thousand typewriters for a thousand years, I doubt any would come up with the gem that is "NYG drafted Eli Apple therefore NFL is rigged."
The internet is the gift that keeps on giving.
I’ll admit I don’t read any forums other than gambling so I don’t know how common it is. But these forums do attract all kinds.
But I have no doubt we have run into this guy before. The name keeps “gargling” in my throat...Gatsby, Barnaby, something like that.
I will point out that many athletes, including NFL QBs, become ugly as they get older. Look at Joe Namath. And NFL linemen typically blow up like the Goodyear blimp after they stop working out everyday.
Quote: MoscaWell, no, I suppose you can’t. Did I get dressed today? Or am I imagining I put my clothes on? Are the moon landings real? Is Elvis alive? Is that my house? Is that my beautiful wife?
I think at some point you gotta pick something.
Speaking of your beautiful wife, how's she doing? (sidebar, not meant to hijack). You can answer via PM if you prefer, or not at all.
I just told you that the Sharks got their 113th playoff win on 113th day of the year. That is unquestionable proof that it's predetermined. There is absolutely nothing you can say to debate or doubt or explain it otherwise.
Quote: thinwhitedukeLook, dude, do you want to become an adult and learn reality or don't you? Thats,exactly how it works.
All pro leagues are staged entertainment. The nfl in its own copyright rules , is listed as,m entertainment, not a competitive league. They can have any outcome they want and it's legal. The nfl is a tv show. The teams are one company. Not 32 separate companies.
It's obvious when the Giants draft a guy named Eli Apple, that it's entirely set up.
If my forum, you are banned. Personal insult to terapined to start. And using the Giants drafting Eli Apple as evidence that the NFL fixes games shows you will bring absolutely nothing of value to the forum. Hopefully the mods get rid of you sooner rather than later, because it will happen.
Quote: vegasSeattle will not do good their first year in the NHL. The league made a huge mistake when Vegas joined. They made each team leave to many players unprotected and Vegas was able to pick way to many good players from each team. When Seattle joins teams will be able to protect many more of their players and Seattle will be picking from the bottom 10% or so of talent. Nothing like what Vegas was able to pick from. Mistake made....lesson learned.
I just read (Buffalo News) the exact opposite. Said they will have the same rules Vegas had. Can you post a link to your source since you sound quite sure.....
Quote: SOOPOOI just read (Buffalo News) the exact opposite. Said they will have the same rules Vegas had. Can you post a link to your source since you sound quite sure.....
It looks like my link might be out dated and you might be right
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/nhl-expansion-draft-nhl-gms-smarter-1.4942923
I see what you might have read
https://www.nhl.com/news/seattle-2021-nhl-expansion-draft-rules-same-as-vegas-golden-knights-followed/c-302586918
I stand corrected. I had heard watching a show on tv that they learned their lesson with Vegas but perhaps not.
