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Without the NBA subsidies, I don't think the WNBA could exist. While the league doesn't disclose its finances, by contract, a portion of profits goes into a pool for players. Last year was the first season that money went into the pool. Few businesses can go thirty years without a profit. I'm not sure how the IRS allows it. If a comic dealer went five years without a profit, the IRS would have called his business a hobby and treated it as such.
Quote: billryanRodman was a monster defender and an awesome rebounder
Dennis shot over 60% from the field one year which is quite rare and exceptional for someone who's not a center close to or over 7'0"
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He was an All-Time defender and rebounder but scoring wasn't his forte. Most small forwards are scorers. The Pistons had Kelly Tripuks, an All-Star small forward who could score, but they traded him away and gave his job to Rodman.
Quote: billryanRodman was a monster defender and an awesome rebounder whose problems were mostly off-court. Laimbeer was a punk who tried to intentionally hurt players on many occasions.
Rodman and Rick Mahorn played hard and physical but weren't cheap shot artists. Laimbeer used to target opponents' ankles and knees.
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Larry Bird said Bill Laimbeer was a player he disliked personally. There's a reason why Bill Laimbeer didn't get a HC job in the NBA, despite his WNBA success.
Whenever I am awed by these feats, I have to remind myself that they are playing a course likely1200 yards longer than the ones I play. With greens substantially faster. With pubs more devilishly placed on the greens.
I didn’t have Dave Kingman on my bingo card!
An interesting question. I attended a game where a 300-home-run batter, Rocky Colavito, was the winning pitcher, but I don't know if he got a strikeout.
I'm pretty sure Canseco and Anthony Rizzo are on the list.
The Colivito game was strange, in that he came in with the Yankees down either 5-0 or 6-0, but it was early in the game. Colito was a former big star on his last legs. He pitched and won the first game of a doubleheader when the Yankees came back. He hit a home run in the second game.
Quote: SOOPOOOhtani hit his 300th home run while of course leading that list in strikeouts thrown. There are 8 MLB players with 300 homers who have thrown a strikeout. Everyone will get Ruth. But who amongst you would get the 4th leading strikeout ace with at least 300 homers?
I didn’t have Dave Kingman on my bingo card!
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So who are the 8 MLB players with 300 homers and at least one strikeout pitched?
I believe Ted Williams pitched and has one strikeout. Rocky Colavito pitched twice (for two different teams) and got 2 strikeouts
I know Stan Musial pitched in one game but didn't get anyone out.
Jose Canseco, Adam Dunn and Albert Pujols each pitched one inning but no strikeouts.
George Sisler started out as a pitcher, but he had way less than 300 hrs.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyGoing to guess Swisher before looking it up.
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No, I remember Swisher getting a strikeout with the Yankees but he falls short at 245 HR.
Ruth
Foxx
Kingman
Colavito
Williams
Gaetti
Rizzo
72 years ago Roger Bannister was the first human to run a sub 4 minute mile. He would have lost the race to the new record holder by over TWO HUNDRED yards.
Equipment. Training. Nutrition.
Josh Kerr from Britain.
Quote: SOOPOO3:42:66. That’s 17.34 seconds less than 4 minutes. And the new record for a mile run.
72 years ago Roger Bannister was the first human to run a sub 4 minute mile. He would have lost the race to the new record holder by over TWO HUNDRED yards.
Equipment. Training. Nutrition.
Josh Kerr from Britain.
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MONEY. Congratulations to the new record holder; it's always been my favorite race.
Quote: billryanQuote: SOOPOO3:42:66. That’s 17.34 seconds less than 4 minutes. And the new record for a mile run.
72 years ago Roger Bannister was the first human to run a sub 4 minute mile. He would have lost the race to the new record holder by over TWO HUNDRED yards.
Equipment. Training. Nutrition.
Josh Kerr from Britain.
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MONEY. Congratulations to the new record holder; it's always been my favorite race.
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I still prefer the Kentucky Derby.
Quote: SOOPOOYou can’t fix stupid. Eliezer Alfonzo is a career minor league baseball player. Gets called up by the Dodgers. Smokes a two out double. Ohtani strokes a single that he tries to stretch into a double. Alfonzo saunters around 3rd base knowing there is no way he can be thrown out at home. Too bad he is unaware about the rules of baseball, or just plain lazy. Ohtani is thrown out at second base before Alfonzo touches home, so an easy run…. is not a run. The only reason not to run hard from second with two outs is laziness. I don’t expect him to be on the Dodgers too long. He is the guy who lost two close relatives in the Venezuelan earthquakes,
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Coaches teach "Run on anything with two outs" 1st day of little league.
Now we know why he is a career minor leaguer...
Quote: SOOPOOYou can’t fix stupid. Eliezer Alfonzo is a career minor league baseball player. Gets called up by the Dodgers. Smokes a two out double. Ohtani strokes a single that he tries to stretch into a double. Alfonzo saunters around 3rd base knowing there is no way he can be thrown out at home. Too bad he is unaware about the rules of baseball, or just plain lazy. Ohtani is thrown out at second base before Alfonzo touches home, so an easy run…. is not a run. The only reason not to run hard from second with two outs is laziness. I don’t expect him to be on the Dodgers too long. He is the guy who lost two close relatives in the Venezuelan earthquakes,
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Ohtani has to share the blame for that. Stretching to a double in that situation is not the right move. Right move is to go about a third of the way, and then if he sees the throw is going to home then he takes second, which he will have plenty of time to do if the runner is called safe at home.
NFL signing bonuses have traditionally been paid in installments, spread over several years. The exception is the #1 pick. Since at least 2017, the #1 pick has gotten his signing bonus upfront. The Raiders have always paid out in installments and want to continue, while the NFL Players Association wants a single payment. The other three QBs are watching for developments.
Fernando Mendoza is expected to be a backup this year, but he is also going to be the franchise going forward, so it behooves everyone to get him signed and in camp.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: SOOPOOYou can’t fix stupid. Eliezer Alfonzo is a career minor league baseball player. Gets called up by the Dodgers. Smokes a two out double. Ohtani strokes a single that he tries to stretch into a double. Alfonzo saunters around 3rd base knowing there is no way he can be thrown out at home. Too bad he is unaware about the rules of baseball, or just plain lazy. Ohtani is thrown out at second base before Alfonzo touches home, so an easy run…. is not a run. The only reason not to run hard from second with two outs is laziness. I don’t expect him to be on the Dodgers too long. He is the guy who lost two close relatives in the Venezuelan earthquakes,
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Ohtani has to share the blame for that. Stretching to a double in that situation is not the right move. Right move is to go about a third of the way, and then if he sees the throw is going to home then he takes second, which he will have plenty of time to do if the runner is called safe at home.
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Ohtani shouldn’t take ANY of the blame for the run not scoring. That is 100% on the lazy guy. Ohtani’s decision to try and stretch to a double is the same from a risk/benefit perspective as if he tried to steal second base on the next pitch after a single. Geno summed it up…. with two outs just run as hard as you can once you have rounded third for home. Always. For EXACTLY the reason we saw!
Quote: DRichMendoza signed his contract with the Raiders today for $57 million guaranteed.
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The amount was pre-determined. It was the bonus payment schedule that was the hangup, and so far no one is claiming the other side blinked.
Quote: billryanQuote: DRichMendoza signed his contract with the Raiders today for $57 million guaranteed.
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The amount was pre-determined. It was the bonus payment schedule that was the hangup, and so far no one is claiming the other side blinked.
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I don't think it was a bonus payment being negotiated. It was how the $57 million would be paid out. I heard Mendoza wanted it all upfront minus the minimum rookie salary per year. I have not heard yet how they are paying it.
He turned down a $104 million dollar salary with the Lakers for $52 million a year for two years. He signed an $8 million dollar contract with Philadelphia paying $4 million a year. I know he is stupid rich Forbes estimates $1.4 billion but walking away from $96 million for playing the same game just in another city is crazy. I know he did it because he believes he has a much better chance to win in Philly but just walking away from $96 million is mind boggling to an average Joe like me. In some ways I respect him for it, but it is still crazy.
Quote: DRichHow about Lebron James?
He turned down a $104 million dollar salary with the Lakers for $52 million a year for two years. He signed an $8 million dollar contract with Philadelphia paying $4 million a year. I know he is stupid rich Forbes estimates $1.4 billion but walking away from $96 million for playing the same game just in another city is crazy. I know he did it because he believes he has a much better chance to win in Philly but just walking away from $96 million is mind boggling to an average Joe like me. In some ways I respect him for it, but it is still crazy.
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He gave up lots and lots money to ring chase. I hope the Celtics are happy trading their best player to a division rival AND now that rival has signed one of the best players even. Idiots...
Quote: DRichQuote: billryanQuote: DRichMendoza signed his contract with the Raiders today for $57 million guaranteed.
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The amount was pre-determined. It was the bonus payment schedule that was the hangup, and so far no one is claiming the other side blinked.
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I don't think it was a bonus payment being negotiated. It was how the $57 million would be paid out. I heard Mendoza wanted it all upfront minus the minimum rookie salary per year. I have not heard yet how they are paying it.
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The signing bonus was $38 million. He wanted it upfront; the Raiders wanted it paid out over several years. NFL salary can't be paid in advance.
Quote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: billryanQuote: DRichMendoza signed his contract with the Raiders today for $57 million guaranteed.
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The amount was pre-determined. It was the bonus payment schedule that was the hangup, and so far no one is claiming the other side blinked.
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I don't think it was a bonus payment being negotiated. It was how the $57 million would be paid out. I heard Mendoza wanted it all upfront minus the minimum rookie salary per year. I have not heard yet how they are paying it.
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The signing bonus was $38 million. He wanted it upfront; the Raiders wanted it paid out over several years. NFL salary can't be paid in advance.
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Thank you, I did not see how it was being paid. I am pretty sure the $57 million included that $38 million. It sounds like his salary averages about $4.75 million a year.
In April, a Kenyan ran 1 hour 59 minutes 30 seconds. I am surprised it wasn’t big news. Last I checked, I’m still alive as I type this.
Quote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: billryanQuote: DRichMendoza signed his contract with the Raiders today for $57 million guaranteed.
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The amount was pre-determined. It was the bonus payment schedule that was the hangup, and so far no one is claiming the other side blinked.
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I don't think it was a bonus payment being negotiated. It was how the $57 million would be paid out. I heard Mendoza wanted it all upfront minus the minimum rookie salary per year. I have not heard yet how they are paying it.
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The signing bonus was $38 million. He wanted it upfront; the Raiders wanted it paid out over several years. NFL salary can't be paid in advance.
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All sides are remaining remarkably silent on this issue. Nobody wants to admit to caving, me thinks.
In that same race another runner also ran sub 2 hours 1:59 and 41 seconds. Imagine running under 2 hours and coming in 2ndQuote: SOOPOOI was thinking…. Will I be alive when the 2 hour marathon record falls. So I googled to see what the record is knowing they have been within a few minutes of 2 hours.
In April, a Kenyan ran 1 hour 59 minutes 30 seconds. I am surprised it wasn’t big news. Last I checked, I’m still alive as I type this.
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Quote: HunterhillIn that same race another runner also ran sub 2 hours 1:59 and 41 seconds. Imagine running under 2 hours and coming in 2ndQuote: SOOPOOI was thinking…. Will I be alive when the 2 hour marathon record falls. So I googled to see what the record is knowing they have been within a few minutes of 2 hours.
In April, a Kenyan ran 1 hour 59 minutes 30 seconds. I am surprised it wasn’t big news. Last I checked, I’m still alive as I type this.
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If two runners broke the two-hour mark, I'd re-examine the course. Chances are it is short, or it is too downhill. The man who came in second was running his first marathon, yet accomplished something no one else in history had done. It seems unlikely.
Quote: billryanQuote: HunterhillIn that same race another runner also ran sub 2 hours 1:59 and 41 seconds. Imagine running under 2 hours and coming in 2ndQuote: SOOPOOI was thinking…. Will I be alive when the 2 hour marathon record falls. So I googled to see what the record is knowing they have been within a few minutes of 2 hours.
In April, a Kenyan ran 1 hour 59 minutes 30 seconds. I am surprised it wasn’t big news. Last I checked, I’m still alive as I type this.
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If two runners broke the two-hour mark, I'd re-examine the course. Chances are it is short, or it is too downhill. The man who came in second was running his first marathon, yet accomplished something no one else in history had done. It seems unlikely.
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It is London. I believe one of the flattest thus easiest courses. I don’t know exactly how the course is measured, but more unlikely they made a mistake that large than two guys used new shoes/training methods/diets/supplements to go that low.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: billryanQuote: HunterhillIn that same race another runner also ran sub 2 hours 1:59 and 41 seconds. Imagine running under 2 hours and coming in 2ndQuote: SOOPOOI was thinking…. Will I be alive when the 2 hour marathon record falls. So I googled to see what the record is knowing they have been within a few minutes of 2 hours.
In April, a Kenyan ran 1 hour 59 minutes 30 seconds. I am surprised it wasn’t big news. Last I checked, I’m still alive as I type this.
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If two runners broke the two-hour mark, I'd re-examine the course. Chances are it is short, or it is too downhill. The man who came in second was running his first marathon, yet accomplished something no one else in history had done. It seems unlikely.
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It is London. I believe one of the flattest thus easiest courses. I don’t know exactly how the course is measured, but more unlikely they made a mistake that large than two guys used new shoes/training methods/diets/supplements to go that low.
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I have posted this before whenever this topic has come up, but it bears repeating. Namely, marathon world record course requirements demand precise distance verification, limited elevation drop, and strict start-to-finish proximity. These regulations prevent artificial performance advantages from extreme downhills or strong tailwinds. The course must measure precisely 42.195 kilometers (26.219 miles), verified using the calibrated bicycle method by approved international measurers. A straight-line distance between the start and finish points cannot exceed 50% of the total race distance (maximum separation of 21.097 km / 13.1 mi). The net decrease in elevation between the start and finish lines cannot exceed an average of 1 meter per kilometer (0.1% or a total drop of 42.195 meters).
These requirements are the reasons why the Boston Marathon course is not world-record eligible as it does not comply with standards-it is a straight and mostly downhill course.
Now you know how courses are measured.
Only those uneducated in such matters make spurious accusations of the course being too short or too downhill. If someone wants to bet "Chances are it is short, or it is too downhill", I'm taking that bet for any of the world record eligible major marathons, and willing to bet the farm.
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: SOOPOOQuote: billryanQuote: HunterhillIn that same race another runner also ran sub 2 hours 1:59 and 41 seconds. Imagine running under 2 hours and coming in 2ndQuote: SOOPOOI was thinking…. Will I be alive when the 2 hour marathon record falls. So I googled to see what the record is knowing they have been within a few minutes of 2 hours.
In April, a Kenyan ran 1 hour 59 minutes 30 seconds. I am surprised it wasn’t big news. Last I checked, I’m still alive as I type this.
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If two runners broke the two-hour mark, I'd re-examine the course. Chances are it is short, or it is too downhill. The man who came in second was running his first marathon, yet accomplished something no one else in history had done. It seems unlikely.
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It is London. I believe one of the flattest thus easiest courses. I don’t know exactly how the course is measured, but more unlikely they made a mistake that large than two guys used new shoes/training methods/diets/supplements to go that low.
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I have posted this before whenever this topic has come up, but it bears repeating. Namely, marathon world record course requirements demand precise distance verification, limited elevation drop, and strict start-to-finish proximity. These regulations prevent artificial performance advantages from extreme downhills or strong tailwinds. The course must measure precisely 42.195 kilometers (26.219 miles), verified using the calibrated bicycle method by approved international measurers. A straight-line distance between the start and finish points cannot exceed 50% of the total race distance (maximum separation of 21.097 km / 13.1 mi). The net decrease in elevation between the start and finish lines cannot exceed an average of 1 meter per kilometer (0.1% or a total drop of 42.195 meters).
These requirements are the reasons why the Boston Marathon course is not world-record eligible as it does not comply with standards-it is a straight and mostly downhill course.
Now you know how courses are measured.
Only those uneducated in such matters make spurious accusations of the course being too short or too downhill. If someone wants to bet "Chances are it is short, or it is too downhill", I'm taking that bet for any of the world record eligible major marathons, and willing to bet the farm.
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No pacesetters, either. I could be a pacesetter for around the first 50 yards.
Quote: billryanThe BBC ran a segment on marathons that were the wrong distance. Both the Milwaukee and Atlanta races were found to be incorrect in recent years. When a man who has never run a marathon before does something no one has done in history, I will certainly question it. If that somehow offends you, cowboy up.
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Please find me a AIMS/World Athletics approved marathon course that didn't meet distance, elevation or start/stop distance requirements after proper survey and measurement, Cowboying up.
The London marathon seems to be a nexus for world records, as some 40 to 50 have fallen every year in recent years. It's popular because it is so easy to set personal records. A man who is running in his first marathon breaks the world record but comes in second. It might be his shoes and nutrition. It might be something else. The system has been gamed too many times, and those who cheat have always managed to beat the testing, until they don't.
Quote: billryanAre those two marathons so approved? Wasn't there an incident a few years ago where the police were escorting the leaders and took a wrong turn ? The BBC segment is available online.
The London marathon seems to be a nexus for world records, as some 40 to 50 have fallen every year in recent years. It's popular because it is so easy to set personal records. A man who is running in his first marathon breaks the world record but comes in second. It might be his shoes and nutrition. It might be something else. The system has been gamed too many times, and those who cheat have always managed to beat the testing, until they don't.
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Neither Milwaukee nor Atlanta appear on either the AIMS or World Athletics list of approved marathons. There were multiple incidents over the years of organizer screw ups impacting the race finish. In the case of Atlanta, the organizers put marker cones in the wrong places AFTER the race distance was certified-an organizer screw up.
A man running his first marathon, breaking the existing WR but only coming in second is...an elite athlete. In the absence of information to the contrary from official sources, I celebrate that accomplishment.
Please find me a AIMS/World Athletics approved marathon course that didn't meet distance, elevation or start/stop distance requirements after proper survey and measurement. Lists are available online, and should be easy for you to cross reference against the BBC list.
If the topic is competitor cheating, I have no use for cheaters especially PED cheaters.
Out since late May on the injured list, he decided to go on a late-night bar crawl, riding a scooter- in violation of his contract.
Mr Bader drove into the back of a fire truck and somehow ended up getting his injured foot run over by the truck. Incredibly, this is the second time he has driven into a fire truck. A similar incident while a college player cost him an entire year off the field.
The Giants issued a curiously worded statement blaming Bader for the accident and saying they were suspending payments on his contract until he returns to the field. They aren't saying he is suspended, but that the team has suspended paying him. He most likely was out for the season before this accident, so I'm sure he and the players' union will be all over this. The standard player contract prohibits high-risk activities such as playing basketball, riding two-wheeled vehicles, and participating in combat sports.
Quote: billryanHarrison Bader is one of the elite defenders in baseball. He's also an idiot.
Out since late May on the injured list, he decided to go on a late-night bar crawl, riding a scooter- in violation of his contract.
Mr Bader drove into the back of a fire truck and somehow ended up getting his injured foot run over by the truck. Incredibly, this is the second time he has driven into a fire truck. A similar incident while a college player cost him an entire year off the field.
The Giants issued a curiously worded statement blaming Bader for the accident and saying they were suspending payments on his contract until he returns to the field. They aren't saying he is suspended, but that the team has suspended paying him. He most likely was out for the season before this accident, so I'm sure he and the players' union will be all over this. The standard player contract prohibits high-risk activities such as playing basketball, riding two-wheeled vehicles, and participating in combat sports.
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Bader is a great defender, but this is a frustrating situation for everyone involved. Teams put those clauses in contracts for a reason, especially when a player is already injured. The salary dispute will probably come down to the contract details, but it is a costly mistake that could hurt both his season and his reputation.
Less press, but to me of more significance in the proof of a need for a real salary cap….. The Nationals are in the thick of a playoff push, just two games out of wildcard position with 50 or so games remaining. You’d figure the Nats would try and add a player of significance…. But despite being only 2 games out of a playoff spot, they trade THE NUMBER ONE SLUGGER in the NL, Luis Garcia Jr., for a bag of baseballs and two hot dogs. He was making ‘only’ around $7 million this year, and still under ‘team control’ for next year. Frankly, embarrassing.
Quote: SOOPOOSkubal to the Dodgers for 3 ‘prospects’, two of whom are coming off of Tommy John surgery.
Less press, but to me of more significance in the proof of a need for a real salary cap….. The Nationals are in the thick of a playoff push, just two games out of wildcard position with 50 or so games remaining. You’d figure the Nats would try and add a player of significance…. But despite being only 2 games out of a playoff spot, they trade THE NUMBER ONE SLUGGER in the NL, Luis Garcia Jr., for a bag of baseballs and two hot dogs. He was making ‘only’ around $7 million this year, and still under ‘team control’ for next year. Frankly, embarrassing.
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Generous (to the players) salary cap, with a generous (to the players) salary floor. The players may yap and complain. So, to shut them up, stuff their mouths with gold.
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: SOOPOOSkubal to the Dodgers for 3 ‘prospects’, two of whom are coming off of Tommy John surgery.
Less press, but to me of more significance in the proof of a need for a real salary cap….. The Nationals are in the thick of a playoff push, just two games out of wildcard position with 50 or so games remaining. You’d figure the Nats would try and add a player of significance…. But despite being only 2 games out of a playoff spot, they trade THE NUMBER ONE SLUGGER in the NL, Luis Garcia Jr., for a bag of baseballs and two hot dogs. He was making ‘only’ around $7 million this year, and still under ‘team control’ for next year. Frankly, embarrassing.
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Generous (to the players) salary cap, with a generous (to the players) salary floor. The players may yap and complain. So, to shut them up, stuff their mouths with gold.
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Works in the NFL. Floor is around 90% of the cap, ensuring all teams can compete pretty evenly.
Generally works in NHL. Floor around 75% of the cap.
Sort of works for NBA. Floor is 90% of the ‘cap’. But so many exceptions to the ‘cap’ it’s really not a cap at all.
Dodgers. $400 million
Brewers. $65 million.
Average. $175 million.
It is frankly amazing the World Series might be Brewers Dodgers.
SOOPOO solution. Establish salary floor of $130 million. Cap of $260 million. Teams over $260 million start with their present payroll minus 5% as their cap. And continue to drop 5% per year until they are at the cap.
Build in 2% cap raise for each of next 5 years.
Total revenue in 2025 was up almost half a billion dollars from 2024, and the average team's value is approaching three billion dollars.
The Padres recently sold for over $3 billion. The previous owners paid less than $500 million in 2012.
When your employees increase the value of your business 5X over fifteen years, don't they deserve to be compensated for it?
An expanding business seeks to increase revenue from its product while reducing labor expenses. I'd ask them to open their books and justify their needs. If the owners want more money, let them expand and divide the expansion fees amongst themselves. Adding sixty new jobs would ease negotiations with the Union. It's been a generation since baseball last expanded in 1995, for the 1998 season. Owners' revenue is up 10X since then, without adding a single job at the major league level. Expansion could bring in two billion dollars or more for ownership.
Starting the negotiations by offering the players sixty new jobs will make things much smoother.
Quote: billryanBaseball is making record revenues. Someone needs to explain why the players should accept less money in the next agreement.
Total revenue in 2025 was up almost half a billion dollars from 2024, and the average team's value is approaching three billion dollars.
The Padres recently sold for over $3 billion. The previous owners paid less than $500 million in 2012.
When your employees increase the value of your business 5X over fifteen years, don't they deserve to be compensated for it?
An expanding business seeks to increase revenue from its product while reducing labor expenses. I'd ask them to open their books and justify their needs. If the owners want more money, let them expand and divide the expansion fees amongst themselves. Adding sixty new jobs would ease negotiations with the Union. It's been a generation since baseball last expanded in 1995, for the 1998 season. Owners' revenue is up 10X since then, without adding a single job at the major league level. Expansion could bring in two billion dollars or more for ownership.
Starting the negotiations by offering the players sixty new jobs will make things much smoother.
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Who said less money for the players? The salary floor proposed by SOOPOO for the lower paying teams far exceeds the slight (5%) contraction for the higher paying teams.
You can keep your ostrich size head in the sand and think it’s good that if you are on a lower payroll team you are happy as a fan. Misiorowski is presently being fitted for either pinstripes or Dodgers blue as we speak….
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: billryanBaseball is making record revenues. Someone needs to explain why the players should accept less money in the next agreement.
Total revenue in 2025 was up almost half a billion dollars from 2024, and the average team's value is approaching three billion dollars.
The Padres recently sold for over $3 billion. The previous owners paid less than $500 million in 2012.
When your employees increase the value of your business 5X over fifteen years, don't they deserve to be compensated for it?
An expanding business seeks to increase revenue from its product while reducing labor expenses. I'd ask them to open their books and justify their needs. If the owners want more money, let them expand and divide the expansion fees amongst themselves. Adding sixty new jobs would ease negotiations with the Union. It's been a generation since baseball last expanded in 1995, for the 1998 season. Owners' revenue is up 10X since then, without adding a single job at the major league level. Expansion could bring in two billion dollars or more for ownership.
Starting the negotiations by offering the players sixty new jobs will make things much smoother.
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Who said less money for the players? The salary floor proposed by SOOPOO for the lower paying teams far exceeds the slight (5%) contraction for the higher paying teams.
You can keep your ostrich size head in the sand and think it’s good that if you are on a lower payroll team you are happy as a fan. Misiorowski is presently being fitted for either pinstripes or Dodgers blue as we speak….
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Is baseball better served by having top teams with national followings like the Dodgers and Yankees or by diluting the league so teams like Milwaukee succeed? Are the fans and baseball better off with a NY-LA World Series or a Seattle-Cincinnati one?
What is broken in baseball? Owners are making record revenue, players are making money, the international signing problem has been resolved, and the owners got the drug testing the game needed.
Explain to my ostrich-sized head what the problem is.
I was reading an article about the Nats-Yankees trade, and the author felt the Nats sold at the right time, got two future starting pitchers, and upgraded their horrible bullpen with two quality arms. The only player in the deal I'm familiar with is Jake Bird, and I won't lose any sleep over losing him. The others all are having good years but weren't in the big teams current plans.
Quote: billryanQuote: SOOPOOQuote: billryanBaseball is making record revenues. Someone needs to explain why the players should accept less money in the next agreement.
Total revenue in 2025 was up almost half a billion dollars from 2024, and the average team's value is approaching three billion dollars.
The Padres recently sold for over $3 billion. The previous owners paid less than $500 million in 2012.
When your employees increase the value of your business 5X over fifteen years, don't they deserve to be compensated for it?
An expanding business seeks to increase revenue from its product while reducing labor expenses. I'd ask them to open their books and justify their needs. If the owners want more money, let them expand and divide the expansion fees amongst themselves. Adding sixty new jobs would ease negotiations with the Union. It's been a generation since baseball last expanded in 1995, for the 1998 season. Owners' revenue is up 10X since then, without adding a single job at the major league level. Expansion could bring in two billion dollars or more for ownership.
Starting the negotiations by offering the players sixty new jobs will make things much smoother.
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Who said less money for the players? The salary floor proposed by SOOPOO for the lower paying teams far exceeds the slight (5%) contraction for the higher paying teams.
You can keep your ostrich size head in the sand and think it’s good that if you are on a lower payroll team you are happy as a fan. Misiorowski is presently being fitted for either pinstripes or Dodgers blue as we speak….
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Is baseball better served by having top teams with national followings like the Dodgers and Yankees or by diluting the league so teams like Milwaukee succeed? Are the fans and baseball better off with a NY-LA World Series or a Seattle-Cincinnati one?
What is broken in baseball? Owners are making record revenue, players are making money, the international signing problem has been resolved, and the owners got the drug testing the game needed.
Explain to my ostrich-sized head what the problem is.
I was reading an article about the Nats-Yankees trade, and the author felt the Nats sold at the right time, got two future starting pitchers, and upgraded their horrible bullpen with two quality arms. The only player in the deal I'm familiar with is Jake Bird, and I won't lose any sleep over losing him. The others all are having good years but weren't in the big teams current plans.
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It’s a matter of opinion. I think the concept of each team having a reasonable and ‘fair’ chance of winning is important. There are a dozen or so teams that next April will know their teams are not playing for a championship, and the reason is they couldn’t (or chose not to!) pay their star players to keep them.
Just checked. Around 2/3 of fans agree with me. And around 4/5 of ‘avid fans’ agree with me. That leaves a small number of random argumentative internet warriors who are against the salary cap (plus of course those who are fans of the Yankees and Dodgers!)
The Dodgers spend a lot of money and have won two titles. The Yankees spend a lot of money and have had success but no titles. The Mets have spent a lot of money over the past few years and have nothing to show for it. Houston didn't spend a lot of money and had a very nice run. The franchise makes a ton of money, draws fans, and is successful. The White Sox went from historic lows to being competitive and drawing fans in two years. What's broken?
