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September 6th, 2026 at 5:48:22 AM
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Quote: AutomaticMonkey
It seems like everyone would win. Schools get their money, players get to play without having to pretend to be students, teams get to train their players their way.
Can you explain how everybody would win? If you take money away from one place it would have to be replaced by money from another place. It seems to me that by changing the system to a way that I believe you are describing, it would cost the NFL and its owners a lot more money.
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September 6th, 2026 at 5:54:22 AM
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There is a very good reason why the NFL doesn't want 17- and 18-year-olds playing in their league.
As a former Giants ticket holder, I paid enough for the privilege of watching the games. There is no way I'd fork over more to fund a minor league system.
College football is not a minor league. It is a different league. Less than 2% of college football players sign with an NFL team, and most of them won't appear in a single game. The 98% who don't get a shot at the pros still benefit greatly from their football careers.
As a former Giants ticket holder, I paid enough for the privilege of watching the games. There is no way I'd fork over more to fund a minor league system.
College football is not a minor league. It is a different league. Less than 2% of college football players sign with an NFL team, and most of them won't appear in a single game. The 98% who don't get a shot at the pros still benefit greatly from their football careers.
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September 6th, 2026 at 10:48:22 AM
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Quote: DRichQuote: AutomaticMonkey
It seems like everyone would win. Schools get their money, players get to play without having to pretend to be students, teams get to train their players their way.
Can you explain how everybody would win? If you take money away from one place it would have to be replaced by money from another place. It seems to me that by changing the system to a way that I believe you are describing, it would cost the NFL and its owners a lot more money.
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It wouldn't because those college teams are already profitable. So the deal with the school would be you get all that revenue minus expenses, so it stays the same, and all the NFL organization would have to pay for is minor league salaries for players and coaches, which doesn't amount to very much and is a bargain for those teams if in return they get control of those players. The change could be transparent to the fans, as they're seeing the same team, same livery, playing in the same place against the same opponents.
September 6th, 2026 at 11:07:05 AM
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deleted - sorry - put it in the wrong place - moved it to "sports betting chatter"
the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 6th, 2026 at 4:44:00 PM
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: AutomaticMonkey
Hearing them speak, their behavior, their lives in general I would place them academically around where I was in 5th grade.
you are stereotyping athletes as being dumb
that's not fair and not correct
some are but of course not all
because you can play ball that doesn't mean that you don't have a brain
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To quote a Gin Blossoms song, "If you don't expect too much from me, you might not be let down."
Unless they attend and/or graduate from one of small number of select colleges, I always assume certain collegiate athletes are dumb jocks, capable of nothing more than saying and doing dumb jock things. That way, I won't be disappointed if that's what they turn out to be. I, however, am open to changing my mind based on thier actions and words.
September 6th, 2026 at 4:49:26 PM
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Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: lilredroosterQuote: AutomaticMonkey
Hearing them speak, their behavior, their lives in general I would place them academically around where I was in 5th grade.
you are stereotyping athletes as being dumb
that's not fair and not correct
some are but of course not all
because you can play ball that doesn't mean that you don't have a brain
.
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To quote a Gin Blossoms song, "If you don't expect too much from me, you might not be let down."
Unless they attend and/or graduate from one of small number of select colleges, I always assume certain collegiate athletes are dumb jocks, capable of nothing more than saying and doing dumb jock things. That way, I won't be disappointed if that's what they turn out to be. I, however, am open to changing my mind based on thier actions and words.
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There are always exceptions
Myron L. Rolle is an American pediatric neurosurgeon and former professional football safety. He played college football at Florida State, and was selected by the Tennessee Titans in the sixth round of the 2010 NFL draft.
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September 6th, 2026 at 5:18:11 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: lilredroosterQuote: AutomaticMonkey
Hearing them speak, their behavior, their lives in general I would place them academically around where I was in 5th grade.
you are stereotyping athletes as being dumb
that's not fair and not correct
some are but of course not all
because you can play ball that doesn't mean that you don't have a brain
.
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To quote a Gin Blossoms song, "If you don't expect too much from me, you might not be let down."
Unless they attend and/or graduate from one of small number of select colleges, I always assume certain collegiate athletes are dumb jocks, capable of nothing more than saying and doing dumb jock things. That way, I won't be disappointed if that's what they turn out to be. I, however, am open to changing my mind based on thier actions and words.
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There are always exceptions
Myron L. Rolle is an American pediatric neurosurgeon and former professional football safety. He played college football at Florida State, and was selected by the Tennessee Titans in the sixth round of the 2010 NFL draft.
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Exception that proves the rule. He interviewed for his Rhodes Scholarship on a Saturday, missing a game. The Rhodes people selected the date and time and that's the date. No rescheduling or do-overs. When he interviewed with teams at the combine, they all asked if if he thought he let the team down by missing a game, or asked him what his teammates thought of him missing a game for the Rhodes interview. In other words, a bunch of dumb jock coaches not able to fathom a world of academia outside of football. Dumb jocks the lot of them. Non-dumb jocks would've supported him and praised his accomplishment.
Not only that, did his resdiency here in Boston at Mass General Hospital!
September 6th, 2026 at 6:43:37 PM
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In what ways are college football players at Ohio State or Arizona State not professionals? They are paid $100K+ per year, sign a contract and spend most of their time on football. They have strength training, training tables to eat at, sport-only dormitories, are flown to games, etc. They have curfews, have to follow rules about attending practices and how they spend their time. Does anyone hang onto the obsolete viewpoint that these guys are amateurs?
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September 6th, 2026 at 8:17:44 PM
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Unless it has changed very recently, most states consider NCAA athletes to be amateurs who are not employees of the school and are not eligible for employee benefits or workers' comp. I think they are outdated, but their opinion matters a bit more.
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September 6th, 2026 at 11:22:14 PM
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Quote: billryanUnless it has changed very recently, most states consider NCAA athletes to be amateurs who are not employees of the school and are not eligible for employee benefits or workers' comp. I think they are outdated, but their opinion matters a bit more.
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Sure, they're amateurs, like Soviet and Eastern Bloc Olympians in 1972 were amateurs.
What we learned back then, is that the terms "amateur" and "professional" have as much to do with the economic system you are living under as what you actually are. When the modern Olympics were instituted there were no Communist countries, few professional athletes and the concept of professional sports carried a taint of gambling and corruption. In the more modern US we had a vibrant professional sports culture, it wasn't especially corrupt, and we knew exactly who the professional hockey and basketball players, and the pro boxers were.
So as the economics of "college" sports have changed, so must the definition of who is a professional. It's no big deal, we didn't ruin the Olympics by letting professionals compete.
September 7th, 2026 at 5:12:41 AM
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Quote: gordonm888In what ways are college football players at Ohio State or Arizona State not professionals? They are paid $100K+ per year, sign a contract and spend most of their time on football. They have strength training, training tables to eat at, sport-only dormitories, are flown to games, etc. They have curfews, have to follow rules about attending practices and how they spend their time. Does anyone hang onto the obsolete viewpoint that these guys are amateurs?
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Your mistake is that they are not paid to play football. Who do you think pays them? Most money made by upper level athletes are paid endorsements paid by people other than the universities. Basically, they are paid as celebrities. I would say they are more similar to influencers.
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September 7th, 2026 at 5:22:00 AM
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It's a mix. Alabama is paying its athletes $20 million this year, and NILs bring in about the same. Bama actually spends less on its program than most playoff-caliber teams, as it continues to concentrate on high school talent rather than the transfer portal.
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September 7th, 2026 at 5:29:49 AM
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absolutely crazy last second hail mary win by Michigan over Western Michigan
"Bryce Underwood launched a Hail Mary well out of the end zone as time seemed to expire on the Wolverines to give WMU an improbable upset victory late Saturday night in Ann Arbor.
But no. After a video review, it was determined that a defender touched the ball beyond the back of the end zone with a second left. That gave Michigan one more shot, and Underwood made this one count, connecting with JJ Buchanan for a game-winning 47-yard touchdown to avert disaster in Kyle Whittingham’s debut as Wolverines coach."
Michigan was favored by 27.5 points
their ranking dropped from 15 or 16 to 24 or 25 after the victory
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absolutely crazy last second hail mary win by Michigan over Western Michigan
"Bryce Underwood launched a Hail Mary well out of the end zone as time seemed to expire on the Wolverines to give WMU an improbable upset victory late Saturday night in Ann Arbor.
But no. After a video review, it was determined that a defender touched the ball beyond the back of the end zone with a second left. That gave Michigan one more shot, and Underwood made this one count, connecting with JJ Buchanan for a game-winning 47-yard touchdown to avert disaster in Kyle Whittingham’s debut as Wolverines coach."
Michigan was favored by 27.5 points
their ranking dropped from 15 or 16 to 24 or 25 after the victory
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 7th, 2026 at 6:45:22 AM
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What a disgrace. Welcome to Michigan. If we can't beat you in regulation, we'll just add more time. It reminds me of the 1972 Soviet Olympics.
I hate it when an underdog plays its heart out only to be screwed by the powers that be.
I hate it when an underdog plays its heart out only to be screwed by the powers that be.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 7th, 2026 at 7:23:55 AM
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Quote: billryanWhat a disgrace. Welcome to Michigan. If we can't beat you in regulation, we'll just add more time. It reminds me of the 1972 Soviet Olympics.
I hate it when an underdog plays its heart out only to be screwed by the powers that be.
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I think they got the call correct and I am n Ohio State fan.
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September 7th, 2026 at 9:40:41 AM
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Quote: DRichQuote: billryanWhat a disgrace. Welcome to Michigan. If we can't beat you in regulation, we'll just add more time. It reminds me of the 1972 Soviet Olympics.
I hate it when an underdog plays its heart out only to be screwed by the powers that be.
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I think they got the call correct and I am n Ohio State fan.
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Was the player in the field of play when he touched the ball? What is the NCAA rule for touching a ball outside of the endzone?
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 7th, 2026 at 9:50:02 AM
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Matt Suhey, 68
After a stellar career at Penn State, Mr Suhey spent most of his NFL career as Walter Payton's blocking back. He was part of the 1985 Bears, who many consider the best NFL team ever. Off the field, Suhey was good friends with Walter and helped the Payton family through Walter's illness and death.
Rest in Peace.
After a stellar career at Penn State, Mr Suhey spent most of his NFL career as Walter Payton's blocking back. He was part of the 1985 Bears, who many consider the best NFL team ever. Off the field, Suhey was good friends with Walter and helped the Payton family through Walter's illness and death.
Rest in Peace.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
