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Brendan Sorsby has announced that he now intends to enter the NFL supplemental draft ahead of the NFL's 2026 season. This will disqualify him from playing for Texas Tech University or any other college football team.

Sorsby's decision came after the NCAA filed a request for an immediate hearing on Sorsby's lawsuit against them and after the Big 12 conference filed a civil lawsuit against Texas Tech and the Texas District Attorney. The entire situation had devolved into a toxic dumpster fire.

Sorsby has admitted an addiction to sports gambling. Those of us who have dealt with drug addicts and alcoholics in our lives know that recovery from addiction is not a straight-line process.

Meanwhile, the leadership of Texas Tech University has now qualified for the Hall of Fame, Ass-Wipe-Rag Division.

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Brendan Sorsby has announced that he now intends to enter the NFL supplemental draft ahead of the NFL's 2026 season. This will disqualify him from playing for Texas Tech University or any other college football team.

Sorsby's decision came after the NCAA filed a request for an immediate hearing on Sorsby's lawsuit against them and after the Big 12 conference filed a civil lawsuit against Texas Tech and the Texas District Attorney. The entire situation had devolved into a toxic dumpster fire....

This will likely moot the court case, and I was looking forward to the outcome.

You may have noticed a lot of extrajudiciality going on in recent years, and it would be nice to have a ruling on whether institutions may take punitive actions (as opposed to protective, preventive, or remedial actions), what is due process in such cases, and what are the limitations on severity of punishment. Our courts have all this built in, and extrajudicial actions have been used to evade all those protections. Like when they had that craze of administratively suspending people's drivers licenses for everything including things that have nothing to do with driving, just because it's easier and the target has less recourse than he does in a courtroom.

In the MLB, in this rainbow-puking month of June a few players have received warnings for not painting smiles on themselves when forced to display a symbol that does not represent their values and that has nothing to do with the sport that they agreed to play or the team they agreed to play it for, and instead adding a message that does align with their values. Can a player be punished for not genuflecting deeply enough to a cause, just because he plays in a league?

In countless cases at both the collegiate and professional level, careers were ruined and lives were harmed over sexual allegations that turned out to be unsubstantiated when subjected to legal scrutiny, but were punished administratively by an institution nonetheless. Trevor Bauer, the Duke Lacrosse case, and the Yovino case at Sacred Heart U. come to mind. None of the people victimized by that were ever made whole.

All these things are related which is why I don't think of it as really about Sorsby and while he admitted to gambling as a player, what does that mean when you are about to be submitted to a star chamber that already has its mind made up? What is due process and what are the checks and limitations on the power of an institution that wields powers comparable in magnitude to a court of law, without actually being one? Who knows- Sorsby could be the next Gideon or Miranda.

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Brendan Sorsby has announced that he now intends to enter the NFL supplemental draft ahead of the NFL's 2026 season. This will disqualify him from playing for Texas Tech University or any other college football team.

Sorsby's decision came after the NCAA filed a request for an immediate hearing on Sorsby's lawsuit against them and after the Big 12 conference filed a civil lawsuit against Texas Tech and the Texas District Attorney. The entire situation had devolved into a toxic dumpster fire....

This will likely moot the court case, and I was looking forward to the outcome.

You may have noticed a lot of extrajudiciality going on in recent years, and it would be nice to have a ruling on whether institutions may take punitive actions (as opposed to protective, preventive, or remedial actions), what is due process in such cases, and what are the limitations on severity of punishment. Our courts have all this built in, and extrajudicial actions have been used to evade all those protections. Like when they had that craze of administratively suspending people's drivers licenses for everything including things that have nothing to do with driving, just because it's easier and the target has less recourse than he does in a courtroom.

In the MLB, in this rainbow-puking month of June a few players have received warnings for not painting smiles on themselves when forced to display a symbol that does not represent their values and that has nothing to do with the sport that they agreed to play or the team they agreed to play it for, and instead adding a message that does align with their values. Can a player be punished for not genuflecting deeply enough to a cause, just because he plays in a league?

In countless cases at both the collegiate and professional level, careers were ruined and lives were harmed over sexual allegations that turned out to be unsubstantiated when subjected to legal scrutiny, but were punished administratively by an institution nonetheless. Trevor Bauer, the Duke Lacrosse case, and the Yovino case at Sacred Heart U. come to mind. None of the people victimized by that were ever made whole.

All these things are related which is why I don't think of it as really about Sorsby and while he admitted to gambling as a player, what does that mean when you are about to be submitted to a star chamber that already has its mind made up? What is due process and what are the checks and limitations on the power of an institution that wields powers comparable in magnitude to a court of law, without actually being one? Who knows- Sorsby could be the next Gideon or Miranda.
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Example 4.582 why we need federal legislation to put an end to all this eligibility nonsense. Five consecutive years to play 4 seasons, beginning as soon as the athlete enters college. This includes Juco and ANY college anywhere in the US and never pro. One time transfer allowed. One redshirt. NO EXTENSIONS whatsoever due to injury or pandemic or whatever. Then, when college is over or they graduate (whichever comes first), they move on with their lives. the NCAA or national body gets to set rules and discipline.

The Duke lacrosse accused received monetary settlements, graduated from other colleges, and moved on with their lives as vindicated as wrongfully accused. The coach received a monetary settlement and became a successful coach elsewhere. The DA was disbarred and now lives in disgrace. The lead police investigator later committed suicide while working for another department as a paramedic. The accuser served time in prison for 2nd degree murder in an unrelated case. She later admitted her allegations were all lies.

As for the Pride thing, when you are part of team, you pledge to be part of the team and do what the team asks you to do.

But, Sorsby is now out of college football.And we are all the better for it.

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Brendan Sorsby has announced that he now intends to enter the NFL supplemental draft ahead of the NFL's 2026 season. This will disqualify him from playing for Texas Tech University or any other college football team.

Sorsby's decision came after the NCAA filed a request for an immediate hearing on Sorsby's lawsuit against them and after the Big 12 conference filed a civil lawsuit against Texas Tech and the Texas District Attorney. The entire situation had devolved into a toxic dumpster fire....

This will likely moot the court case, and I was looking forward to the outcome.

You may have noticed a lot of extrajudiciality going on in recent years, and it would be nice to have a ruling on whether institutions may take punitive actions (as opposed to protective, preventive, or remedial actions), what is due process in such cases, and what are the limitations on severity of punishment. Our courts have all this built in, and extrajudicial actions have been used to evade all those protections. Like when they had that craze of administratively suspending people's drivers licenses for everything including things that have nothing to do with driving, just because it's easier and the target has less recourse than he does in a courtroom.

In the MLB, in this rainbow-puking month of June a few players have received warnings for not painting smiles on themselves when forced to display a symbol that does not represent their values and that has nothing to do with the sport that they agreed to play or the team they agreed to play it for, and instead adding a message that does align with their values. Can a player be punished for not genuflecting deeply enough to a cause, just because he plays in a league?

In countless cases at both the collegiate and professional level, careers were ruined and lives were harmed over sexual allegations that turned out to be unsubstantiated when subjected to legal scrutiny, but were punished administratively by an institution nonetheless. Trevor Bauer, the Duke Lacrosse case, and the Yovino case at Sacred Heart U. come to mind. None of the people victimized by that were ever made whole.

All these things are related which is why I don't think of it as really about Sorsby and while he admitted to gambling as a player, what does that mean when you are about to be submitted to a star chamber that already has its mind made up? What is due process and what are the checks and limitations on the power of an institution that wields powers comparable in magnitude to a court of law, without actually being one? Who knows- Sorsby could be the next Gideon or Miranda.
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Example 4.582 why we need federal legislation to put an end to all this eligibility nonsense. Five consecutive years to play 4 seasons, beginning as soon as the athlete enters college. This includes Juco and ANY college anywhere in the US and never pro. One time transfer allowed. One redshirt. NO EXTENSIONS whatsoever due to injury or pandemic or whatever. Then, when college is over or they graduate (whichever comes first), they move on with their lives. the NCAA or national body gets to set rules and discipline.

The Duke lacrosse accused received monetary settlements, graduated from other colleges, and moved on with their lives as vindicated as wrongfully accused. The coach received a monetary settlement and became a successful coach elsewhere. The DA was disbarred and now lives in disgrace. The lead police investigator later committed suicide while working for another department as a paramedic. The accuser served time in prison for 2nd degree murder in an unrelated case. She later admitted her allegations were all lies.

As for the Pride thing, when you are part of team, you pledge to be part of the team and do what the team asks you to do.

But, Sorsby is now out of college football.And we are all the better for it.
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I'm not sure why we're still pretending NCAA D1 is a college athletic program and not a minor league for the professional leagues. All of the other scandals and injustices descend from that lie.

And as far as the rainbows, no, employers cannot make employees do just anything. These guys agreed to play ball and promote the team itself. Not to champion social or political causes, that's a different job, and when the cause is something that is considered by many to be depravity, sin, mental illness, and something that subjects one to public ridicule they are right to reject it. These guys have kids watching, and now they have to explain to their kids what's with the rainbow on their cap, after they teach their kids to shun that behavior? They've been writing Gen 9:12:16 next to it, so they can talk about the Old Testament instead of what the people who made them wear that intended. That just proves they're nice guys. I would have written Lev 20:13.

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Brendan Sorsby has announced that he now intends to enter the NFL supplemental draft ahead of the NFL's 2026 season. This will disqualify him from playing for Texas Tech University or any other college football team.

Sorsby's decision came after the NCAA filed a request for an immediate hearing on Sorsby's lawsuit against them and after the Big 12 conference filed a civil lawsuit against Texas Tech and the Texas District Attorney. The entire situation had devolved into a toxic dumpster fire....

This will likely moot the court case, and I was looking forward to the outcome.

You may have noticed a lot of extrajudiciality going on in recent years, and it would be nice to have a ruling on whether institutions may take punitive actions (as opposed to protective, preventive, or remedial actions), what is due process in such cases, and what are the limitations on severity of punishment. Our courts have all this built in, and extrajudicial actions have been used to evade all those protections. Like when they had that craze of administratively suspending people's drivers licenses for everything including things that have nothing to do with driving, just because it's easier and the target has less recourse than he does in a courtroom.

In the MLB, in this rainbow-puking month of June a few players have received warnings for not painting smiles on themselves when forced to display a symbol that does not represent their values and that has nothing to do with the sport that they agreed to play or the team they agreed to play it for, and instead adding a message that does align with their values. Can a player be punished for not genuflecting deeply enough to a cause, just because he plays in a league?

In countless cases at both the collegiate and professional level, careers were ruined and lives were harmed over sexual allegations that turned out to be unsubstantiated when subjected to legal scrutiny, but were punished administratively by an institution nonetheless. Trevor Bauer, the Duke Lacrosse case, and the Yovino case at Sacred Heart U. come to mind. None of the people victimized by that were ever made whole.

All these things are related which is why I don't think of it as really about Sorsby and while he admitted to gambling as a player, what does that mean when you are about to be submitted to a star chamber that already has its mind made up? What is due process and what are the checks and limitations on the power of an institution that wields powers comparable in magnitude to a court of law, without actually being one? Who knows- Sorsby could be the next Gideon or Miranda.
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Example 4.582 why we need federal legislation to put an end to all this eligibility nonsense. Five consecutive years to play 4 seasons, beginning as soon as the athlete enters college. This includes Juco and ANY college anywhere in the US and never pro. One time transfer allowed. One redshirt. NO EXTENSIONS whatsoever due to injury or pandemic or whatever. Then, when college is over or they graduate (whichever comes first), they move on with their lives. the NCAA or national body gets to set rules and discipline.

The Duke lacrosse accused received monetary settlements, graduated from other colleges, and moved on with their lives as vindicated as wrongfully accused. The coach received a monetary settlement and became a successful coach elsewhere. The DA was disbarred and now lives in disgrace. The lead police investigator later committed suicide while working for another department as a paramedic. The accuser served time in prison for 2nd degree murder in an unrelated case. She later admitted her allegations were all lies.

As for the Pride thing, when you are part of team, you pledge to be part of the team and do what the team asks you to do.

But, Sorsby is now out of college football.And we are all the better for it.
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I'm not sure why we're still pretending NCAA D1 is a college athletic program and not a minor league for the professional leagues. All of the other scandals and injustices descend from that lie.

And as far as the rainbows, no, employers cannot make employees do just anything. These guys agreed to play ball and promote the team itself. Not to champion social or political causes, that's a different job, and when the cause is something that is considered by many to be depravity, sin, mental illness, and something that subjects one to public ridicule they are right to reject it. These guys have kids watching, and now they have to explain to their kids what's with the rainbow on their cap, after they teach their kids to shun that behavior? They've been writing Gen 9:12:16 next to it, so they can talk about the Old Testament instead of what the people who made them wear that intended. That just proves they're nice guys. I would have written Lev 20:13.
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When you are part of a team,you agree to obey team rules. The rules also state they could opt out of the rainbow caps, and just wear the regular team cap. That wasn't good enough for them? And the rules state no personal messages on team uniforms. Rules are rules, and you gotta follow the rules.

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Brendan Sorsby has announced that he now intends to enter the NFL supplemental draft ahead of the NFL's 2026 season. This will disqualify him from playing for Texas Tech University or any other college football team.

Sorsby's decision came after the NCAA filed a request for an immediate hearing on Sorsby's lawsuit against them and after the Big 12 conference filed a civil lawsuit against Texas Tech and the Texas District Attorney. The entire situation had devolved into a toxic dumpster fire....

This will likely moot the court case, and I was looking forward to the outcome.

You may have noticed a lot of extrajudiciality going on in recent years, and it would be nice to have a ruling on whether institutions may take punitive actions (as opposed to protective, preventive, or remedial actions), what is due process in such cases, and what are the limitations on severity of punishment. Our courts have all this built in, and extrajudicial actions have been used to evade all those protections. Like when they had that craze of administratively suspending people's drivers licenses for everything including things that have nothing to do with driving, just because it's easier and the target has less recourse than he does in a courtroom.

In the MLB, in this rainbow-puking month of June a few players have received warnings for not painting smiles on themselves when forced to display a symbol that does not represent their values and that has nothing to do with the sport that they agreed to play or the team they agreed to play it for, and instead adding a message that does align with their values. Can a player be punished for not genuflecting deeply enough to a cause, just because he plays in a league?

In countless cases at both the collegiate and professional level, careers were ruined and lives were harmed over sexual allegations that turned out to be unsubstantiated when subjected to legal scrutiny, but were punished administratively by an institution nonetheless. Trevor Bauer, the Duke Lacrosse case, and the Yovino case at Sacred Heart U. come to mind. None of the people victimized by that were ever made whole.

All these things are related which is why I don't think of it as really about Sorsby and while he admitted to gambling as a player, what does that mean when you are about to be submitted to a star chamber that already has its mind made up? What is due process and what are the checks and limitations on the power of an institution that wields powers comparable in magnitude to a court of law, without actually being one? Who knows- Sorsby could be the next Gideon or Miranda.
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Example 4.582 why we need federal legislation to put an end to all this eligibility nonsense. Five consecutive years to play 4 seasons, beginning as soon as the athlete enters college. This includes Juco and ANY college anywhere in the US and never pro. One time transfer allowed. One redshirt. NO EXTENSIONS whatsoever due to injury or pandemic or whatever. Then, when college is over or they graduate (whichever comes first), they move on with their lives. the NCAA or national body gets to set rules and discipline.

The Duke lacrosse accused received monetary settlements, graduated from other colleges, and moved on with their lives as vindicated as wrongfully accused. The coach received a monetary settlement and became a successful coach elsewhere. The DA was disbarred and now lives in disgrace. The lead police investigator later committed suicide while working for another department as a paramedic. The accuser served time in prison for 2nd degree murder in an unrelated case. She later admitted her allegations were all lies.

As for the Pride thing, when you are part of team, you pledge to be part of the team and do what the team asks you to do.

But, Sorsby is now out of college football.And we are all the better for it.
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I'm not sure why we're still pretending NCAA D1 is a college athletic program and not a minor league for the professional leagues. All of the other scandals and injustices descend from that lie.

And as far as the rainbows, no, employers cannot make employees do just anything. These guys agreed to play ball and promote the team itself. Not to champion social or political causes, that's a different job, and when the cause is something that is considered by many to be depravity, sin, mental illness, and something that subjects one to public ridicule they are right to reject it. These guys have kids watching, and now they have to explain to their kids what's with the rainbow on their cap, after they teach their kids to shun that behavior? They've been writing Gen 9:12:16 next to it, so they can talk about the Old Testament instead of what the people who made them wear that intended. That just proves they're nice guys. I would have written Lev 20:13.
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When you are part of a team,you agree to obey team rules. The rules also state they could opt out of the rainbow caps, and just wear the regular team cap. That wasn't good enough for them? And the rules state no personal messages on team uniforms. Rules are rules, and you gotta follow the rules.
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OK I didn't realize they had an option of wearing the standard uniform cap, and if that's so that's what every one of them should have done. Stunt uniforms annoy me to begin with.

They do allow personal messages on uniforms, sometimes. When a player or coach dies they will sometimes write his number on their gear somewhere, of if a player has a tragedy like when one of them had a child die, his teammates wrote his number on their caps. When it's something respectful and that everyone playing and watching agrees should be recognized, I would not expect anyone to complain or penalize the players.

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OK I didn't realize they had an option of wearing the standard uniform cap, and if that's so that's what every one of them should have done. Stunt uniforms annoy me to begin with.

They do allow personal messages on uniforms, sometimes. When a player or coach dies they will sometimes write his number on their gear somewhere, of if a player has a tragedy like when one of them had a child die, his teammates wrote his number on their caps. When it's something respectful and that everyone playing and watching agrees should be recognized, I would not expect anyone to complain or penalize the players.

Team sanctioned is allowed. Off the reservation is not. The word "uniform" has meaning.

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A day after losing the NBA championship, Victor W had the gall to show up at a children's hospital, posing for pictures and cheering up the patients. He obviously doesn't get it.
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Sounds good and all until you read the article that says he was paid a $250k appearance fee.


Okay, maybe I made that up.

There are some huge changes coming to the minor leagues and the baseball draft. No more high school draft picks and organizations can only sign a player two years after his class graduates. There will be two drafts- one for Americans 20 and older( age to be determined) and an international one. Signing foreign players at a young age will be forbidden.
If enacted, it changes everything. College baseball will get a new pool of talent as some thousand players won't be signed to the minors.
It should be a win-win for both players and clubs, and especially for the college game. I think it will lead to a few minor leagues contracting, but perhaps it will also lead to an expansion of Banana Ball.
Not drafting high schoolers will prevent superstars from becoming free agents in their mid-20s. The organization controls the player for six full seasons, so if a player is drafted at 21, he'll be a free agent at 27 or 28. Hopefully, that will eliminate the 12-year contract nonsense.

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There are some huge changes coming to the minor leagues and the baseball draft. No more high school draft picks and organizations can only sign a player two years after his class graduates. There will be two drafts- one for Americans 20 and older( age to be determined) and an international one. Signing foreign players at a young age will be forbidden.
If enacted, it changes everything. College baseball will get a new pool of talent as some thousand players won't be signed to the minors.
It should be a win-win for both players and clubs, and especially for the college game. I think it will lead to a few minor leagues contracting, but perhaps it will also lead to an expansion of Banana Ball.
Not drafting high schoolers will prevent superstars from becoming free agents in their mid-20s. The organization controls the player for six full seasons, so if a player is drafted at 21, he'll be a free agent at 27 or 28. Hopefully, that will eliminate the 12-year contract nonsense.
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The union would agree to this over their dead body.

We'll see. I find unions are often willing to shortchange future members in return for immediate benefits. Players have a short window to make big money, and many players don't recover from an extended work stoppage.

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We'll see. I find unions are often willing to shortchange future members in return for immediate benefits. Players have a short window to make big money, and many players don't recover from an extended work stoppage.
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MLB also wants a salary cap. Work stoppage almost all but guaranteed.

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There are some huge changes coming to the minor leagues and the baseball draft. No more high school draft picks and organizations can only sign a player two years after his class graduates. There will be two drafts- one for Americans 20 and older( age to be determined) and an international one. Signing foreign players at a young age will be forbidden.
If enacted, it changes everything. College baseball will get a new pool of talent as some thousand players won't be signed to the minors.
It should be a win-win for both players and clubs, and especially for the college game. I think it will lead to a few minor leagues contracting, but perhaps it will also lead to an expansion of Banana Ball.
Not drafting high schoolers will prevent superstars from becoming free agents in their mid-20s. The organization controls the player for six full seasons, so if a player is drafted at 21, he'll be a free agent at 27 or 28. Hopefully, that will eliminate the 12-year contract nonsense.
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I abhor the idea. If a person is of legal adult age, there should be no age discrimination.

Some stats for minor league players.

There are 80-plus rookie league teams, each with 25 players. That is roughly 2,000 new employees each season. 1,000 of them will play only one year. Of the remaining 1000 players, seventy percent wash out by year three. Of the remaining 300, 10% will play at least one MLB game, and of those 30 players, 10 will play 3 seasons.

The average minor league salary is $700 per week in-season and $455 per week off-season. The average signing bonus outside of those drafted in the first three rounds is under $10,000.

The minor league system is a relic, broken, and highly inefficient.