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Quote: gordonm888I don't think that's reasonable. Why the hostility towards the team because coaches and players have what is reported to be 6 positive tests ?
NFL announced the Steeler / Titans game postponed to Monday or Tuesday.
Quote: gordonm888I don't think that's reasonable. Why the hostility towards the team because coaches and players have what is reported to be 6 positive tests ?
I have no hostility, if they have 11 players that can play safely that is all that is required.
Quote: DRichI have no hostility, if they have 11 players that can play safely that is all that is required.
Trolling obviously. You think it is ‘safe’ for a trained QB to block for special teams? For a trained CB to play Center? Probably need in the low 30’s for a team to remotely be ‘safe’ to play. Likely on average 2-3 players who start a game are unable to finish that game due to some sort of injury.
Quote: DRichNot trolling, either play or forfeit whichever is best for the team.
Stunning how little you understand the business side of the NFL! You don't think there is something in the deal between the players and owners with regards to delaying games due to COVID-19? I am interested to see how I get to watch the extra game on Monday night, and if the NFL gains extra revenue because of it....
Quote: SOOPOOStunning how little you understand the business side of the NFL! You don't think there is something in the deal between the players and owners with regards to delaying games due to COVID-19? I am interested to see how I get to watch the extra game on Monday night, and if the NFL gains extra revenue because of it....
I don't see any leeway in the schedule to make up any postponed games. If they don't play Monday, or Tuesday at the latest, I have no idea what they can do. Am I missing something?
Quote: billryanI don't see any leeway in the schedule to make up any postponed games. If they don't play Monday, or Tuesday at the latest, I have no idea what they can do. Am I missing something?
Assuming teams have a bye week, the NFL could do some schedule adjusting, but it would be complex. Since there are few if any fans at most of the games it would not be impossible. But in general, yes, your point is valid. That's why the NFL wants to get it in by Tuesday at the latest.
In other news... Buffalo has started 3-0 with ridiculous numbers by Josh Allen, second only to Russell Wilson in passer rating. Vegas unimpressed. Over/Under on Bills wins is only 10!
Quote: billryanI don't see any leeway in the schedule to make up any postponed games. If they don't play Monday, or Tuesday at the latest, I have no idea what they can do. Am I missing something?
I think they have bye weeks in 7 & 8. There is a thought that they could play one of those weeks and swap an opponent in the other week.
Quote: SOOPOOStunning how little you understand the business side of the NFL! You don't think there is something in the deal between the players and owners with regards to delaying games due to COVID-19? I am interested to see how I get to watch the extra game on Monday night, and if the NFL gains extra revenue because of it....
I do understand but don't agree with it. If they didn't have enough players I could see rescheduling but that won't be the case. Play with the players you have or forfeit.
Quote: billryanI don't see any leeway in the schedule to make up any postponed games. If they don't play Monday, or Tuesday at the latest, I have no idea what they can do. Am I missing something?
There's some wiggle room there.
In addition to switching the schedule around, bye weeks, etc...you could reschedule playoff weeks if it's absolutely needed. Even if you don't want to move the Super Bowl, there's two weeks from the AFC/NFC Championships to the Super Bowl, so you can just push each round of the playoffs a week up and do any makeup games (if needed) that potentially would have playoff implications. Many games won't unless we get into a funky tiebreaker scenario that necessitates two teams play each other who are not going to the playoffs anyway.
Quote: Mission146There's some wiggle room there.
In addition to switching the schedule around, bye weeks, etc...you could reschedule playoff weeks if it's absolutely needed. Even if you don't want to move the Super Bowl, there's two weeks from the AFC/NFC Championships to the Super Bowl, so you can just push each round of the playoffs a week up and do any makeup games (if needed) that potentially would have playoff implications. Many games won't unless we get into a funky tiebreaker scenario that necessitates two teams play each other who are not going to the playoffs anyway.
I just heard that they want to eventually move the SB to the day before President's Day to make it on a holiday weekend. They could do that this year as a test.
Quote: Mission146There's some wiggle room there.
In addition to switching the schedule around, bye weeks, etc...you could reschedule playoff weeks if it's absolutely needed. Even if you don't want to move the Super Bowl, there's two weeks from the AFC/NFC Championships to the Super Bowl, so you can just push each round of the playoffs a week up and do any makeup games (if needed) that potentially would have playoff implications. Many games won't unless we get into a funky tiebreaker scenario that necessitates two teams play each other who are not going to the playoffs anyway.
I looked at the Steelers and Titans schedule last night. You could move the Steelers and Ravens game to week 8 and have the Steelers and Titans play week 7.
I think the NFL is going to wait and see what other games get delayed before the decide whether to try to use bye weeks to fill in with minimal rearrangement line above (which will have implications under the collective bargaining agreement). Or whether some other solution like delaying playoffs is needed.
Quote: unJonI looked at the Steelers and Titans schedule last night. You could move the Steelers and Ravens game to week 8 and have the Steelers and Titans play week 7.
I think the NFL is going to wait and see what other games get delayed before the decide whether to try to use bye weeks to fill in with minimal rearrangement line above (which will have implications under the collective bargaining agreement). Or whether some other solution like delaying playoffs is needed.
I think I heard it was set for 10/25. Hard part about the NFL is it is next to impossible to reschedule 1 thing without affecting near everything else. I remember in 1989 when Candlestick Park was unusable. Guy I worked with said, "Just play their away games now." So I asked, "And what of the teams both are supposed to play now?"
"Oh, yeah."
I have to wonder if the owners do not put it to committee about need to reschedule games of just one or a small number of teams. Nothing would be perfect, but hurricane season alone means they should kick some ideas around.
Quote: AZDuffmanI think I heard it was set for 10/25. Hard part about the NFL is it is next to impossible to reschedule 1 thing without affecting near everything else. I remember in 1989 when Candlestick Park was unusable. Guy I worked with said, "Just play their away games now." So I asked, "And what of the teams both are supposed to play now?"
"Oh, yeah."
I have to wonder if the owners do not put it to committee about need to reschedule games of just one or a small number of teams. Nothing would be perfect, but hurricane season alone means they should kick some ideas around.
Funnily enough, it looks like the NFL is doing exactly what I posted above by shifting the Ravens/Steelers a week.
Quote: unJonFunnily enough, it looks like the NFL is doing exactly what I posted above by shifting the Ravens/Steelers a week.
I saw something on that. Having no fans to worry about makes it easier. It is still a crazy game of move one thing, move two to fix the one, five to fix that two........
I'll always remember his ferocious high inside fastball that intimidated and struck out so many
251 wins in 17 seasons - 1.12 ERA in 1968
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/02/sports/baseball/bob-gibson-dies.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
The very first game I watched on my own was Game 1 of the 1968 World Series, where Mr. Gibson struck out a gazillion Tigers to set the World Series record. Unfortunately, I was rooting for the Tigers.
We lost another World Series hero this week and a personal favorite of mine-Sweet Lou Johnson.
Mr. Johnson signed with the Yankees right out of high school but bounced around the minors until he finally became a regular at the age of 33. He won the 1965 World Series with a Game Seven home run. He switched positions in 1966, and the Dodgers went back to the Series, with Mr. Johnson making the last out as they got swept. In 1967, Lou broke his leg in a collision with Joe Torre, which effectively ended his career.
I took a liking to Mr. Johnson because he had a severely deformed ear, very similar to my "Uncle" Bear.
After baseball, Mr. Johnson worked for the Dodgers in Public Relations and did the baseball card show circuit. I was lucky enough to attend a show he attended that also featured several Dodger legends so that I could have a fairly extended conversation with him.
Rest in Peace.
Quote: billryanI'm watching Game One of the 1968 World Series on mlb.tv and for some reason, it is in black and white. I know the game was broadcast in color because I was one of the few kids in my neighborhood to have a color tv and had a dozen classmates over to see it.
It is possible the tape is from a TV outlet that did not broadcast in color. Or it was easier to tape in BW.
I was born in 69 and was given one of those "year you were born" tapes and was amazed in 69 that everything on it was in BW.
Quote: billryanI'm watching Game One of the 1968 World Series on mlb.tv and for some reason, it is in black and white. I know the game was broadcast in color because I was one of the few kids in my neighborhood to have a color tv and had a dozen classmates over to see it.
Maybe your current TV is only Black and White.
I remember a few years ago, the Mets channel showed the 1969 Series, and Game One was in B&W, but games two thru five were in color.
I don't know if it was ever found, but a complete tape of the 1966 Chiefs/Packers game that eventually became known as Super Bowl One was missing even though it was broadcast by two networks.
A story I've heard but am uncertain its true is that NBC missed the kickoff while in commercial and they were going to redo it but Vince Lombardi refused. Lombardi was against the game as the Packers had nothing to gain and everything to lose.
𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 - 𝐢𝐭'𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐰𝐚𝐲
https://brobible.com/sports/article/eagles-malik-jackson-cheating-moving-ball/
Quote: billryanI spent about five minutes intensely researching this situation and it turns out NBC did not save any recordings of the game, but a station in Canada made a kinescope of the entire World Series, but it was broadcast in B&W in Canada. Although clips of some games go back to the 50s, and several entire games have been found, the 1968 Series is the first Series that all games are available on.
I remember a few years ago, the Mets channel showed the 1969 Series, and Game One was in B&W, but games two thru five were in color.
I don't know if it was ever found, but a complete tape of the 1966 Chiefs/Packers game that eventually became known as Super Bowl One was missing even though it was broadcast by two networks.
A story I've heard but am uncertain its true is that NBC missed the kickoff while in commercial and they were going to redo it but Vince Lombardi refused. Lombardi was against the game as the Packers had nothing to gain and everything to lose.
They did not used to save that stuff because they figured nobody would want to watch it again.
While the did save the film of "The Shot Heard Round the World" the sound of the announcer saying "THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT!" is only available because some guy recorded the radio broadcast and later thought "someone might want this." The 1960 World Series Game 7 is only available on film because they found it with a bunch of Bing Crosby's stuff. Rumor is they did not know what it was film of then they played it and were like, "Holy........................"
Film has to be stored in a film vault or it will degrade over time. The Game 7 was lucky it was in the right conditions. Remember, used to be 3 TV channels so no need to keep running old stuff.
In video they did not even know there were tapes of "Hollywood Squares" from the 70s until someone found them in some corner of some tape room. Though that might have been the similar "Match Game." WIIC in Pittsburgh taped over all the "Studio Wrestling" tapes with news. No reason to save them then, today they would be a prized thing for the WWE network. By the 80s they were saving things so lots of old local wrestling shows. They survive because Vince McMahon did see the value all those tapes would have decades later and made sure when he bought someone out the tape library came as part of the package.
When "Casino" came out people wanted to see what "The Frank Rosenthal" show was really like. No tapes were available but one episode is on YT along with clips of 1-2 more. While an awful, local show it was history lost. Almost nothing from the DuMont Network survives, DuMont was the "fourth network" in the 50s!
Things are old before they are antique. Old stuff gets tossed. Today you can store all kinds of video digitally. Until the 2000s you had to pick and choose because it was not cheap or easy.
For many years it was assumed none existed, and there was a rumor of a million-dollar bounty for one. A man got all excited because he thought he remembered seeing one in his attic. It turned out it was there, but the story then gets very complicated.
His step-father, who was long dead, evidently decided to tape the broadcast using two-inch professional tape and would shut the tape off during commercials. He didn't tape half-time or the start of the third quarter, evidently afraid he would run out of tape.
So the son thinks he has found a gold mine and gets in touch with the Paley museum. The tapes have deteriorated and need professional restoration.
The museum notifies the NFL they have found the lost tapes and to everyone's surprise, the NFL claimed it owned the intellectual property and said it didn't want the public to see it. Where the man thought he had a million-dollar tape, the NFL offered him $30,000, refused to negotiate and now says they will pay nothing. In fact, they have threatened him with legal action if he even shows it to anyone.
CBS wanted to fly him to the Super Bowl one year and was giving him tickets and $25,000 to be interviewed about the tape when they suddenly withdrew the offer, supposedly because the NFL didn't want any publicity about the situation.
So it seems there is a tape of that game, but no one will ever get to see it.
Instead, the NFL pieced together clips of news footage and is claiming that is the only real footage of the game.
he had a 40 point triple double with 13 bounds and 11 assists
Lakers still big fave to win it all - up 2-1 - but still, definitely worth watching - game 4 tonight at 9 est
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/10/05/jimmy-butler-nba-finals/
Quote: lilredroosterEagles Malik Jackson's cheating move celebrated on social media
𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 - 𝐢𝐭'𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐰𝐚𝐲
https://brobible.com/sports/article/eagles-malik-jackson-cheating-moving-ball/
What does he have to lose? Half the distance to the goal?
Quote: billryanQuote: lilredroosterEagles Malik Jackson's cheating move celebrated on social media
𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 - 𝐢𝐭'𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐰𝐚𝐲
https://brobible.com/sports/article/eagles-malik-jackson-cheating-moving-ball/
What does he have to lose?
loses his reputation - as be becomes known as a cheat
but you're right - this is America - cheating is 𝐨𝐤𝐚𝐲 here - a special chorus praising cheating should be added to the Star Spangled Banner
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but always, always cheat.
In football, everything is legal, as long as you don't get caught.
Quote: lilredroosterJimmy Butler's huge game as Heat win game 3 made the finals a little bit interesting
he had a 40 point triple double with 13 bounds and 11 assists
Lakers still big fave to win it all - up 2-1 - but still, definitely worth watching - game 4 tonight at 9 est
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/10/05/jimmy-butler-nba-finals/
Son said Butler's game is second best finals game performance ever using 'advanced metrics' available now. I haven't been a big Jimmy Butler fan, because I think he usually doesn't use his considerable abilities to the maximum. This game showed what he is capable of.
I forgot to ask son what the best finals game ever was.... but I think Lebron had one while with Cleveland?
if it goes to game 7 that would be awesome
looks like the public, the books, are less sure of the Lakers in game 6 than they were in game 4 as the line has dropped from 7.5 to 5.5
really cool YT vid of the last 3 minutes of the game:
Quote: lilredrooster
looks like the public, the books, are less sure of the Lakers in game 6 than they were in game 4 as the line has dropped from 7.5 to 5.5
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Probably mostly due to the fact Anthony Davis was limping up and down the floor for half the game. Still had a good game on offense but defensive mobility was definitely slower.
also could possibly conflict with 2 NFL games that go off at 4:25 if there is OT or even if the games are just slow
makes no sense at all to me
it they're thinking that NBA fans don't care about the NFL or NFL fans don't care about the NBA I don't buy it
Quote: billryanWhen does the next basketball and hockey season start? Are they planning on having full seasons or will the do it so the season ends when it normally does?
For the NBA, at this point there has not been an answer given to those questions. They've set nothing for next calendar year yet but the draft date, have said season won't start season before Christmas. Seems almost impossible that they will start before the new year given free agency and training camps must both still occur after that date. Draft date is November 18th. A new salary cap will have to be collectively bargained before draft date and free agency since it's currently based on the previous seasons revenue and the estimated cap that they were given Pre-Covid would be way off of revenue numbers. Will have to be some sort of compromise off of normal formula by owners to avoid a significant cap cut. A big cut wouldn't help owners either given previous committed contracts and a lower luxury tax line would be huge luxury tax fees. Free agency usually starts a little over a week after the draft. Need maybe two months? for free agency and training camps (usually thats a 3.5+ month gap).
Probably won't happen but an idea has been floated to permanently move the schedule back to season starting around Christmas rather than October and for the playoffs to end in late August rather than June, reasons being summer TV watching habits have changed somewhat and so that they can spend more of the season punching down on baseball and less competing with football for viewers.
If they do start, I think their salary cap will go down. Interesting for the GMs to pivot.
here we go:
"The stage for a trademark Brady moment had been set. The Buccaneers took over the ball trailing the Bears by 20-19 with 1 minute 13 seconds left. After a quick short pass for a first down, Brady had the ball at his 37.
Here’s what happened
Brady threw a short incomplete pass intended for Mike Evans.
He completed a pass for 4 yards to Ke’Shawn Vaughn.
A short pass to Rob Gronkowski was incomplete.
DeAndre Houston-Carson of the Bears broke up a pass intended for Cameron Brate.
OK, did you count the downs there? Four, right?
Brady apparently got three.
A closeup TV shot of Brady just after the incomplete pass to Brate showed him looking to the sideline and holding up four fingers and appearing to mouth “fourth down.” Even though the Bucs had lost the ball on downs, Brady stayed on the field, apparently thinking he still had another play.
Brady, 43, seemed frustrated after the series, throwing a clipboard and slamming his helmet."
Brady and his coach deny that he didn't know it was 4th down
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/09/sports/tom-brady-fourth-down.html
First Clemson had 3 different field goal blocked during the game. lol.
Next with the score 42-17 and about 4 minutes left Clemson gets the ball. I figured they would just run out the clock. But instead they drive down the field, even using a hurry up offense at time. They get inside the 20 with a minute left and are stopped on 3rd down bringing up 4th and 6. Normal circumstances you don't kick a field goal, but having had 3 blocked I thought they might, just for the practice.
But no they didn't. Instead they threw a pass picking up the first down, hurried up to the line and ran another play down to the 1 yard line. Now 20 seconds and clock running. There was no need to even run another play, but yet they again hurried up to the ball to run one last play trying to score. Stopped at 2 yard line for a loss. Game over. A little frustrating.
Quote: mcallister3200Alex Smith QB of the “Washington Football Team” made his return to the field today after nearly two years after a compound leg fracture, an infection that almost required an amputation and 17 surgeries. Hell of a comeback.
Didn't see the game. His stats weren't good but that almost doesn't matter. Can you imagine how hard he worked just to get back on the field? Congrats Alex Smith.
Quote: kewljDidn't see the game. His stats weren't good but that almost doesn't matter. Can you imagine how hard he worked just to get back on the field? Congrats Alex Smith.
It just shows me the passion he has for the game. He could have quit and still collected the rest of his $100 million dollar contract.
Quote: DRichArkansas got robbed at the end of their game. Auburn spiked the ball to stop the clock and kick the game winning field goal. The problem was the quarterback spiked it backwards which would be a fumble and not an incomplete pass. The refs not paying attention just called it an incomplete pass. It cost Arkansas the game as Auburn kicked the field goal to end the game and win by two points.
You're absolutely correct. Bo Nix, the Auburn QB, panicked after he bobbled the snap and tried to stop the clock. He definitely spiked the ball backwards, which is a fumble. If replay doesn't correct something like that, you may as well not have it at all. The explanation given is bull, as the definition of the word "immediate" is their crutch. The ball bounced to the left and, within about a yard and a half, an Arkansas player fell on it.
https://www.aol.com/sec-officials-release-official-statement-025108898.html
Quote: redietzYou're absolutely correct. Bo Nix, the Auburn QB, panicked after he bobbled the snap and tried to stop the clock. He definitely spiked the ball backwards, which is a fumble. If replay doesn't correct something like that, you may as well not have it at all. The explanation given is bull, as the definition of the word "immediate" is their crutch. The ball bounced to the left and, within about a yard and a half, an Arkansas player fell on it.
https://www.aol.com/sec-officials-release-official-statement-025108898.html
Even if the review got it right it would have been Auburn ball because the refs blew the whistle which stops the play before the fumble recovery.
Quote: DRichArkansas got robbed at the end of their game. Auburn spiked the ball to stop the clock and kick the game winning field goal. The problem was the quarterback spiked it backwards which would be a fumble and not an incomplete pass. The refs not paying attention just called it an incomplete pass. It cost Arkansas the game as Auburn kicked the field goal to end the game and win by two points.
I've had that same thought before! But I think the rule is such that a 'spike' is different than a regular pass. Even if being rushed it is NEVER called intentional grounding. Remember, you are in the pocket and there is no receiver in the area of the spike. If it were up to me, a 'spike' WOULD be considered intentional grounding... well.... because it IS intentional grounding!
Was there any announcer discussion about the grounding play in the Auburn/Arkansas game, or is it just something you noticed?
Edit.... just read the few posts above mine explaining it all.
