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the linked NYT (they own The Athletic) article indicates Bronny James is doing very well recently - quote
"After a slow start during the league’s tip-off tournament, he’s been terrific on assignment, averaging 15.3 points on 54.6/42.1/90.9 shooting splits."
but basketball reference, also linked shows his stats, and he's only averaging 2 p.p.g. with a much lower shooting % then quoted in the Athletic article
in the last 5 games he's scored a total of 7 points
I just don't get it - I would not expect the Athletic to ever be that far off the mark
help me figure this out if you can
https://archive.ph/KED5o#selection-1377.101-1377.250
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesbr02.html
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I need help figuring this out
the linked NYT (they own The Athletic) article indicates Bronny James is doing very well recently - quote
"After a slow start during the league’s tip-off tournament, he’s been terrific on assignment, averaging 15.3 points on 54.6/42.1/90.9 shooting splits."
but basketball reference, also linked shows his stats, and he's only averaging 2 p.p.g. with a much lower shooting % then quoted in the Athletic article
in the last 5 games he's scored a total of 7 points
I just don't get it - I would not expect the Athletic to ever be that far off the mark
help me figure this out if you can
https://archive.ph/KED5o#selection-1377.101-1377.250
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesbr02.html
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The stats in the article are from the G- league. The stats you quote are his NBA stats.
He's averaging 15 points in the one league, and about 3 in the NBA.
Arizona's team is called the Wildcats, but their motto is "Bear Down, Arizona." It's not about bruins, but is supposed to be the dying words of a former Arizona QB.
Jonn Salmon was the 1926 class president and the starting quarterback. He was killed in a car crash, and his final words were said to be- Bear Down.,
So they start the season with back-to-back shutouts for the first time in their history, throwing a combined one-hitter today.
This year, the UFL is testing four-point field goals (60 yards or more) and has a rule against punting in your own half of the field.
If it is 4th and 29 from the 48-yard line, the team must go for a field goal or go for it. If they miss the FG, the other team takes over at the line of scrimmage.
A rule they considered, but tabled, would have allowed teams to line up for a three-point FG from the middle or kick from the hashmarks for a four-point one, as the angle increases the difficulty.
Quote: billryanThe UFL season is up and running. While it is a minor league, and few players will progress into the NFL, it is also a testing ground for rule changes.
This year, the UFL is testing four-point field goals (60 yards or more) and has a rule against punting in your own half of the field.
If it is 4th and 29 from the 48-yard line, the team must go for a field goal or go for it. If they miss the FG, the other team takes over at the line of scrimmage.
A rule they considered, but tabled, would have allowed teams to line up for a three-point FG from the middle or kick from the hashmarks for a four-point one, as the angle increases the difficulty.
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LFL was the best alternative football league! Only football I would bother to watch. They need to bring things like that back. What they're trying to do now with girls' football isn't going to work, it's going to end up being like another WNBA that people are supposed to like but nobody really does.
Quote: 08CryptoClubDoes anyone even watch winter sports? Didn't read any post about it
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Between the Super Bowl and the middle of March Madness, about the only 'sport" I watch is pro wrestling. Baseball is my #1, followed by football. I've mostly given up on the NBA and hockey.
WOW________!!!!__________Braylon Mullins hit a 35 foot 3 pointer in the final second to give Uconn a 1 point victory over Duke which put them in the final 4
nice job dude_______!!!
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HwRnhmLydSU
"AI Overview
Game Impact: Mullins, a freshman, struggled with his shot for most of the game, going 0-for-4 from the three-point line before hitting the decisive 35-foot shot in the final second to send UConn to the Final Four"
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WOW________!!!!__________Braylon Mullins hit a 35 foot 3 pointer in the final second to give Uconn a 1 point victory over Duke which put them in the final 4
nice job dude_______!!!
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HwRnhmLydSU
"AI Overview
Game Impact: Mullins, a freshman, struggled with his shot for most of the game, going 0-for-4 from the three-point line before hitting the decisive 35-foot shot in the final second to send UConn to the Final Four"
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These teams play 30+ games, practice for untold hours….. just to have a bonehead play end your season. Cayden Boozer has the ball with a few seconds to go. Only thing he can’t do is turn the ball over. Instead of holding the ball to end the game or be fouled, he tries some silly pass over the much taller than him players surrounding him. You know the rest of the story.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: lilredrooster.
WOW________!!!!__________Braylon Mullins hit a 35 foot 3 pointer in the final second to give Uconn a 1 point victory over Duke which put them in the final 4
nice job dude_______!!!
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HwRnhmLydSU
"AI Overview
Game Impact: Mullins, a freshman, struggled with his shot for most of the game, going 0-for-4 from the three-point line before hitting the decisive 35-foot shot in the final second to send UConn to the Final Four"
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These teams play 30+ games, practice for untold hours….. just to have a bonehead play end your season. Cayden Boozer has the ball with a few seconds to go. Only thing he can’t do is turn the ball over. Instead of holding the ball to end the game or be fouled, he tries some silly pass over the much taller than him players surrounding him. You know the rest of the story.
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When Bill Belichick tells his players to "do your job" and to play the full 60 minutes, this is what he's talking about. That lessens the chances of a comeback or some boneheaded play loses you the game or the season. That being said, some BB coached teams over the years have done some boneheaded plays to lose the game.
a pretty good article about the game is linked - I have sympathy for Boozer - he's very young (he's an 18 year old freshman) to have a burden such as this
from the story:
"For a moment, he almost held it together.
Almost.
But then the bloodshot eyes started to water, again. The deep voice, cracking with every word.
“I ruined our team’s season,” Cayden Boozer finally choked out. ‘That’s the best I can put it.”
https://archive.ph/aGegP
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It was one of the all-time bone-headed plays, the basketball equivalent of the NFL Giants' Joe Pisarchik trying to hand-off the football with a few seconds left and a small lead in the game. Pisarchik fumbled the ball, the opponents recovered it and ran it back for a winning touchdown as time expired. Same damn bone-headed play.
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pretty amazing - Cooper Flagg, a teenager just 19 years old scoring more than 50 points in an NBA game - wow__________!!!
from the link:
"Cooper Flagg continued his record-setting rookie season Friday
The Mavericks forward scored 51 points in his team’s 138-127 home loss to the Orlando Magic, becoming the youngest player in NBA history to cross the 50-point mark.
The 19-year-old broke his own record for the highest-scoring game by a teenager, exceeding the 49 points he notched on Jan. 29 against the Charlotte Hornets."
https://archive.ph/dJ5gb
Flagg scored 42 points last December when he was just 18
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Quote: billryanPutting up big numbers in blowout losses doesn't impress me.
his team lost by 11 points - 138-127 - that's not even close to being a blowout in my book
the dude is a teenager - he can't make a crummy team a good team all by himself - he's not MJ - but still - very impressive to me
Quote: billryanThe Mavs are winless in games when he scores more than 49.
he's only scored more than 49 in one game - not a great point
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Quote: billryanPutting up big numbers in blowout losses doesn't impress me. The Mavs have 25 wins in games where Flagg scores fewer than 49, and are winless in games when he scores more than 49. Coincidence? Flagg may well be a generational talent, but scoring 50 in losses isn't going to get him there.
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It should have. I watched parts of the game. His ridiculous 2nd half was part of a comeback effort, not garbage time. He was hitting contested 3’s like they were foul shots. He was driving around and through the defenders with ease. 24 in the 4th quarter.
There aren’t many players I’d take for my team ahead of him now.
Just checked 38 second half points!
here's the YT vid of the game -
his moves, dunks and shots were quite amazing -
very few of his shots even hit the rim - they were mostly swishes - you don't get extra for that - but still
he should have had at least one 4 point play - looks like he was obviously fouled on at least one of his threes that went in but there was no call
he reminds me of Larry Bird - I didn't think there would ever be another Larry Bird - but now I'm not sure about that
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Basketball is a team sport, and when your team loses, individual performance suffers. I'd much rather he score twenty in a win than 50 in a loss.
Flagg has had three games of 42 or more, and his team lost all three. Had he sat out the games and the Mavs played a man short, they'd still have lost the games.
Quote: billryanThey were down by 20-plus in the third quarter, and the other team emptied their bench.
Basketball is a team sport, and when your team loses, individual performance suffers. I'd much rather he score twenty in a win than 50 in a loss.
Flagg has had three games of 42 or more, and his team lost all three. Had he sat out the games and the Mavs played a man short, they'd still have lost the games.
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You are being an idiot on purpose. You obviously didn’t watch the game nor even refer to the box score. Only two of the ‘empty the bench players’ played, and that was for two minutes each. The game was close to single figures with 4 minutes to go.
OF COURSE he’d rather have an unbelievably good game in a win than a loss. Duh. But he can only do what he can do. 51 points in 33 minutes.
In all seriousness, when a player shoots thirty shots, how many points would you expect them to score? How many players have scored 50 points in a game this year? I'd guess it's in double figures. It's not the achievement it once was.
By the way, what was the score at the end of three quarters? Wasn't it around 110-90?
Quote: billryanHe took thirty shots in thirty-four minutes. He scored a lot in a loss. Let me know when he does it in a win.
In all seriousness, when a player shoots thirty shots, how many points would you expect them to score? How many players have scored 50 points in a game this year? I'd guess it's in double figures. It's not the achievement it once was.
By the way, what was the score at the end of three quarters? Wasn't it around 110-90?
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If he is scoring points, generating good scoring opportunities, making assists and playing good defense, he is doing his job. The rest of the team-and the coaches-now need to do theirs.
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: billryanHe took thirty shots in thirty-four minutes. He scored a lot in a loss. Let me know when he does it in a win.
In all seriousness, when a player shoots thirty shots, how many points would you expect them to score? How many players have scored 50 points in a game this year? I'd guess it's in double figures. It's not the achievement it once was.
By the way, what was the score at the end of three quarters? Wasn't it around 110-90?
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If he is scoring points, generating good scoring opportunities, making assists and playing good defense, he is doing his job. The rest of the team-and the coaches-now need to do theirs.
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The rest of his young team isn't getting a chance to develop when he's shooting 30 times in a blowout where no one's playing defense.
I prefer the story reads "my team wins" and I scored 14, rather than "I scored 51 while my team loses by double digits". I'm not sure every player would agree with me. It seems like a third of the teams are tanking, and a large percentage of the other players care as much for their stats as the teams.
I like his future, I just don't see a reason to get excited over this.. I care more about this executive order that seems to strip away students rights the courts have already ruled on.
Our missing pilot has been rescued and the Yankees are 7-1. I wish all a Happy and Peaceful Easter.
once again, the game wasn't a blowout and they were playing defense
of his 30 shots he hit 19 - for an exceptional 63.3%
he made 6 of 9 three pointers for an exceptional 66.7%
and he made all of his 7 free throws - 100%
he also had 3 steals and 1 block and 6 rebounds
all while playing only 34 minutes in the game
all in all an exceptional game - especially considering he's just 19 - a teenager -
if he was on a better team he wouldn't score as much but he would be making tremendous contributions
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At what point is a game a blowout? Did anyone watching the game in the second half think Dallas had a shot at winning?
Carmelo Anthony was a great scorer who didn't do much to raise his teammates' game. Michael Jordan was a great scorer who raised everyone's game. Only one of them is an all-time great. We have yet to see where Flagg turns out. Maybe in 15 years, the Flagg- Wambam rivalry might be spoken of in terms of Bird and Magic. Basketball could use it.
Quote: billryanIf you don't think being down by twenty in the third, or as someone said, almost closing to within double digits with four minutes to go, is a blowout, I'm going to say we don't agree.
At what point is a game a blowout? Did anyone watching the game in the second half think Dallas had a shot at winning?
Carmelo Anthony was a great scorer who didn't do much to raise his teammates' game. Michael Jordan was a great scorer who raised everyone's game. Only one of them is an all-time great. We have yet to see where Flagg turns out. Maybe in 15 years, the Flagg- Wambam rivalry might be spoken of in terms of Bird and Magic. Basketball could use it.
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Bill, I may get suspended for this but you seem to be acting like one of the other members on this site that is always commenting on things just to be negative or controversial. Even Bob has been better lately.
If ten MLB players hit four home runs in a game this year, would you call the 11th a historic event?
The Knicks had two 50-point games in the 1990s, when many feel they were the best team never to win a title. They've had at least four since I moved to Arizona.
Does anyone really think his 51-point game was better than tonight's?
Quote: billryanFlagg scored 45 points tonight, outdueling Lebron in a highly contested game and leading his team to victory.
Does anyone really think his 51-point game was better than tonight's?
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You're changing the nature of the argument. Others were saying that Flagg scored 51 points, passed the eyeball test by looking incredible and swishing almost all his shots and, geez he's still a teenager - he's on a trajectory to be an all-time great player. And even though you didn't actually see the game, you've been a negative Nelly, saying the game was a blow-out and that 51 points is not a remarkable achievement against bench players and you're unconvinced that this game signifies anything about Cooper Flagg.
And then Flagg scores nearly the same amount of points in a highly contested game against the Lakers and you pivot and claim that this proves your point? No one was claiming that 50 points was the numerical threshold for greatness. they were arguing that Cooper Flagg looks like a great all-time player.
You remind me of a young man who admits that he never saw Ozzie Smith play but that his batting average was only like 0.280 with few home runs and that his defensive stats aren't pop-out great and that Ozzie Smith wasn't an all-time great shortstop.
2 great stars put on a great show on Saturday
from the link:
"It was Denver 136, San Antonio 134. In overtime.
This was two of the game’s biggest stars leading two of the NBA’s hottest franchises and giving performances for the ages in a game that left a sellout crowd sweating, hoarse and exhausted.
Nikola Jokić, the clever Denver center, had 40 points, 13 assists, eight rebounds and zero turnovers in 44 minutes. Victor Wembanyama, the Spurs’ transcendent center, had 34 points, 18 rebounds, seven assists and five blocks."
https://archive.ph/Ekojh#selection-1231.0-1231.225
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Quote: billryanFlagg scored 45 points tonight, outdueling Lebron in a highly contested game and leading his team to victory.
Does anyone really think his 51-point game was better than tonight's?
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I watched both games. Although he scored 6 less points, I’d say his 45 point game was slightly better than his 51 point game. But not by much. You may think that the ‘W’ is the first thing you measure an individual’s game by in a team sport. I think that is profoundly myopic of you. After some FG kicker hits three 55 yard field goals in a loss, are you going to tell me the guy who made two 35 yarders in a win had a better game?
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2 great stars put on a great show on Saturday
from the link:
"It was Denver 136, San Antonio 134. In overtime.
This was two of the game’s biggest stars leading two of the NBA’s hottest franchises and giving performances for the ages in a game that left a sellout crowd sweating, hoarse and exhausted.
Nikola Jokić, the clever Denver center, had 40 points, 13 assists, eight rebounds and zero turnovers in 44 minutes. Victor Wembanyama, the Spurs’ transcendent center, had 34 points, 18 rebounds, seven assists and five blocks."
https://archive.ph/Ekojh#selection-1231.0-1231.225
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There is no bigger Nikola Jokić fan in the world than me! However, watching that game, I would say Wemby slightly outplayed Jokić. The number of shots that Wemby alters, but does not get credit with a block, or anything for that matter, is game changing. Their statistics were pretty similar for the game, but Wemby’s added value on defense to me, made his game slightly better. All that being said, I still believe Jokić is the year-long MVP in the NBA.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: billryanFlagg scored 45 points tonight, outdueling Lebron in a highly contested game and leading his team to victory.
Does anyone really think his 51-point game was better than tonight's?
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I watched both games. Although he scored 6 less points, I’d say his 45 point game was slightly better than his 51 point game. But not by much. You may think that the ‘W’ is the first thing you measure an individual’s game by in a team sport. I think that is profoundly myopic of you. After some FG kicker hits three 55 yard field goals in a loss, are you going to tell me the guy who made two 35 yarders in a win had a better game?
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Accomplishing something in a competitive game matters more than accomplishing the same thing in a blowout loss. Had Dallas lost on a last-second basket, Flaggs' game would still have been better than his 50 points in a non-competitive loss.
Running up individual stats while your team is being blown out has never impressed me. Wilts' 100-point game is the most points he ever scored, but I don't think anyone would say it was his greatest game.
The greatest individual game I've seen in fifty-plus years was Julius Erving's performance against the Nuggets to win the last ABA title.
He scored 31 points that game, a total he exceeded 150 times, but he called it his greatest game and I agree.
BTW- After well over a hundred years of pro basketball, the two greatest games were played in the same month. Weeks after The ABA title game in 1976, Phoenix and the Celtics hooked up for a triple overtime thriller many call the greatest pro game ever.
ALL of the players either are graduating, left the team mid season, or are transferring. ALL!
They do have 1 recruit ‘committed’ to Tennessee. Odds on her ‘de-committing’?
Quote: SOOPOOTennessee. A traditional Women’s NCAA BBall powerhouse. Coming off a down season. A tad over .500.
ALL of the players either are graduating, left the team mid season, or are transferring. ALL!
They do have 1 recruit ‘committed’ to Tennessee. Odds on her ‘de-committing’?
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That gives Tennessee a chance to bring in new hungry players. It seems to have worked for Michigan Men's.
The transfer portal has made coaches and ADs jobs tremendously harder. I appreciate it for the players, but it is out of control.
