General Sports Talk

" I've never heard anyone say Baylor doesn't have a legit claim on greatness"

To which I'll counter: So what?
As an old-school basketball player and wannabe coach, I believe that great players make those around them better. I never saw that from Iverson. Others are welcome to hold other opinions. I only saw Baylor in his final years and missed his prime. I watched AI from his HS days.

On one play in his highlights, he dribbles around four men and throws up a shot. With four defenders on him, he should have had three open teammates but he took a low-percentage shot rather than a pass for an uncontested shot It looks great on the highlights, but teammates remember things like that.

" I've never heard anyone say Baylor doesn't have a legit claim on greatness"

To which I'll counter: So what?
As an old-school basketball player and wannabe coach, I believe that great players make those around them better. I never saw that from Iverson. Others are welcome to hold other opinions. I only saw Baylor in his final years and missed his prime. I watched AI from his HS days.

On one play in his highlights, he dribbles around four men and throws up a shot. With four defenders on him, he should have had three open teammates, but he took a low-percentage shot rather than a pass for an uncontested shot. It looks great on the highlights, but teammates remember things like that.

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pick out any great player that you want and I will be able to find highlights where he took a shot when he could have passed to a teammate who was more open

and once again, HE HAD MORE ASSISTS THAN MJ

you don't like AI's flash - MJ had plenty of flash too

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Jordan had a career FG percentage of .497, Iverson's was .425.

I'm not sure why you think comparing AIs career to MJ's is a good idea, but knock yourself out.

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I'm not sure why you think comparing AIs career to MJ's is a good idea, but knock yourself out.
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well, you were the one who posted that AI shot twice as much as anyone else when MJ shot more than him - an obviously false statement

it irks me to see a truly great player disparaged with trivial stuff

but go ahead and get the last word - I'm done here - KNOCK YOURSELF OUT - mission accomplished

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pick out any great player that you want and I will be able to find highlights where he took a shot when he could have passed to a teammate who was more open

and once again, HE HAD MORE ASSISTS THAN MJ

you don't like AI's flash - MJ had plenty of flash too

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Bill Russell?

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of all of the NBA back in the day vids that I've watched (lots and lots) this one is by far the most fun
the little dude is just spectacular
he beats 2 different guys so bad with his crossover that they fall down trying to guard him - one guy fell down twice
his last victim in the vid is MJ who he beats by about 4 feet before shooting a J over him
22 million views on this baby

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If you want to watch an exciting player check out Jay Williams "White Chocolate". All of the guys that played with him were amazed by his moves.

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the Jay Williams vid was great
everybody already knows how great Steph Curry is - maybe the GOAT
I like watching his highlights more than the games themselves
very entertaining indeed




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of all of the NBA back in the day vids that I've watched (lots and lots) this one is by far the most fun
the little dude is just spectacular
he beats 2 different guys so bad with his crossover that they fall down trying to guard him - one guy fell down twice
his last victim in the vid is MJ who he beats by about 4 feet before shooting a J over him
22 million views on this baby

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If you want to watch an exciting player check out Jay Williams "White Chocolate". All of the guys that played with him were amazed by his moves.

I was at a Nets-Kings game, and Williams and Jason Kidd seemed to turn the regularly scheduled game into a one-on-one showcase.
It was the most entertaining game I think I've attended and there were only a few thousand fans in attendance but the crowd went nuts.

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A play in last nights D-Backs game is sparking a lot of arguments over rules.

It's the 7th inning, one out, and the bases are loaded. There is a short pop-up into left field, and the runner on third plays it halfway, instead of retreating to the bag. The outfielder makes a nice, but not spectacular, diving catch and comes up throwing. The runner on third scrambles back to the bag, but the other two runners think the ball fell, so they are running. If the outfielder holds the ball, he can toss it to third as there are two men on base, or to second or first as neither runner tagged up. Instead, he throws the ball halfway up the netting about forty feet from the plate. The runner on third jogs home, and the man on second gets about a third down the line before retreating
The ball is still in play, and the catcher throws the ball to third, where the umpire calls the current occupant safe as the play is still live. The ball is thrown to second, where the umpire rules the man on the base is safe. The announcer is going nuts as the replay shows the original runner on second never tagged up but is ruled safe third. The O's manager runs out, seeming to argue that the throw was out of bounds so his runners can advance , while the D-Backs is arguing the players never tagged up. Much debate ensues and after a long delay it is ruled the outfielder made the catch for the second out.
Here is where it gets silly.
The runner on second never tagged up so he is ruled out. However, the proper method should have been to resume play, have the pitcher throw to second and have the umpire make the call. That never happened( or it wasn't shown).
If the runner on second left early, he is out and that happened before the runner on third scored,the run shouldn't count, so most people were left confused .
I think the throw went out of bounds. Someone fifty rows up would have caught the ball if not for the protective netting.