The Return of the XFL
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But seriously, the cheerleading thing isn't really a big deal it doesn't seem. Unless you're right up near them in the stands, you can't really see and enjoy them. Watching a game on TV you don't see them too often. I reckon some teams don't even have cheerleaders.
Not having cheerleaders in the XFL or NFL isn't really that important IMO.
Quote: RS
Not having cheerleaders in the XFL or NFL isn't really that important IMO.
Cheerleaders became irrelevant when viewing boobs on the internet became free.
Quote: DRichCheerleaders became irrelevant when viewing boobs on the internet became free.
For free, you say?
Keep up that cover. (-;Quote: RSMain problem I have with cheerleaders in the NFL is they wear too many damn clothes.
Quote: AxelWolfNo cheerleaders is a terrible idea! Personally, I think they should have strippers on the goal post's during field goal attempts. Extra point's if you hit one.
No actual stripper harm was intended by my statement.
I will give you credit, once in awhile you come up with a great idea.
Quote: Mission146
Aside from that, the NFL could simply double-undermine the XFL by simply abolishing the rule and allowing players to be drafted right out of high school. It's pretty silly that they are not allowed to do that as it is. Let's face it: If you're only going to college to stay in football shape and have no intention of finishing your degree before declaring for the draft, (some players do, others don't) then there's really no reason to be there.
There is actually some pretty good reason. Lots of body development happens between 18 and 22. This rule is to keep guys from getting badly hurt.
I no longer care about the "purity" of college football. The best schools should leave the NCAA and set their own rules on player compensation. But I do prefer not having injuries because of body development mismatches.
Quote: RSI reckon some teams don't even have cheerleaders.
Last I heard the NFL requires every team have either cheerleaders or a mascot.
The Steelers and Giants, the two teams who's fans probably least care about cheerleaders, were ironically the first two teams to have them! The Steelers were not a bunch of hotties like today, looked more like the Ladie's Auxiliary or something.
Quote: AyecarumbaThe marketing for the XFL relaunch is spooling up. I've been getting pop-up articles about the new rules for a few weeks now. However, I'm still not clear where all the team's are located, or if a broadcast outlet has picked it up.
I am very excited for this. I love the idea of having more football. I will try to watch and record every game that I can.
Quote: AyecarumbaThe marketing for the XFL relaunch is spooling up. I've been getting pop-up articles about the new rules for a few weeks now. However, I'm still not clear where all the team's are located, or if a broadcast outlet has picked it up.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFL_(2020)
Game will be on TV. Go Tampa Bay Vipers!
Quote: DRichI am very excited for this. I love the idea of having more football. I will try to watch and record every game that I can.
You still got your "He Hate Me" official jersey? lol
I don't see this lasting 3 years. And I have to wonder if one should buy long term WWE put options, this is could bleed them dry. It might get good ratings in Feb, but by March Madness it will be facing huge competition.
Quote: AZDuffmanYou still got your "He Hate Me" official jersey? lol
I don't see this lasting 3 years. And I have to wonder if one should buy long term WWE put options, this is could bleed them dry. It might get good ratings in Feb, but by March Madness it will be facing huge competition.
It is actually a totally different company from an ownership standpoint. Vince sold WWE stock to finance the venture.
That said WWE stock has been on a downtown but still brings in huge money from TV deals and merchandise.
Agree XFL has a tough road ahead of them but I still believe there is a market for spring football. The USFL was very successful in certain cities until a certain owner tried to use it as a tactic to get a “free” NFL franchise by forcing a merger.
so, then the question is how can the bettor take advantage of the situation when he also cannot postulate an accurate line
and the answer is:
I don't know - but I would it guess it can't be taken advantage of - you end up just having a negative expectation roughly equal to the vig
the only possible light in this tunnel is if the books for some reason have a large spread in which the dog doesn't look as bad and the fave doesn't look as good as the line suggests
Quote: lilredroosterinteresting point that books will be accepting action and have no real way, especially early in the season, to post an accurate line
so, then the question is how can the bettor take advantage of the situation when he also cannot postulate an accurate line
and the answer is:
I don't know - but I would it guess it can't be taken advantage of - you end up just having a negative expectation roughly equal to the vig
the only possible light in this tunnel is if the books for some reason have a large spread in which the dog doesn't look as bad and the fave doesn't look as good as the line suggests
My understanding is that a lot of the teams will be having open practices. if that is the case you just need to go scout for the best offenses and defenses.
It's been a long time and I can't remember the exact details anymore. During the original XFL betting it seemed as if a line was clearly off and it was taken advantage of for a while.Quote: lilredroosterinteresting point that books will be accepting action and have no real way, especially early in the season, to post an accurate line
so, then the question is how can the bettor take advantage of the situation when he also cannot postulate an accurate line
and the answer is:
I don't know - but I would it guess it can't be taken advantage of - you end up just having a negative expectation roughly equal to the vig
the only possible light in this tunnel is if the books for some reason have a large spread in which the dog doesn't look as bad and the fave doesn't look as good as the line suggests
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I did go see a game here in Vegas and it was pretty fun. I'm highly disappointed it didn't make it. I thought it was going to be successful. They made it sound as if it was going to be a much more exciting fun, crazy, hard-hitting, less rules version of football with some super sexy cheerleaders.
Perhaps now with the explosion of sports betting it will have a much better chance. I'm all for it since it brings more chances for +EV opportunities.
Quote: MARCHOBIKAWII think 100 million dollars is a Hell of a large bet, and that's McMahon's initial outlay (without a partner, this time) in the new league.
Yes, I wonder how much the TV contract is for from Disney and Fox. Games will be airing on ESPN, ABC, and Fox.
Seriously? That's pretty cool.Quote: AZDuffmanYou still got your "He Hate Me" official jersey?
Quote: AyecarumbaThe marketing for the XFL relaunch is spooling up. I've been getting pop-up articles about the new rules for a few weeks now. However, I'm still not clear where all the team's are located, or if a broadcast outlet has picked it up.
Probably already posted, but.....
Dallas Renegades Arlington, Texas Globe Life Park in Arlington Grass 25,000 Bob Stoops
Houston Roughnecks Houston, Texas TDECU Stadium Turf 40,000 June Jones
Los Angeles Wildcats Carson, California Dignity Health Sports Park Grass 27,000 Winston Moss
Seattle Dragons Seattle, Washington CenturyLink Field Turf 69,000dagger Jim Zorn
Eastern Conference[67][64]
DC Defenders Washington, D.C. Audi Field Grass 20,000 Pep Hamilton
New York Guardians East Rutherford, New Jersey MetLife Stadium Turf 82,500dagger Kevin Gilbride
St. Louis BattleHawks St. Louis, Missouri The Dome at America's Center Turf 66,965dagger Jonathan Hayes
Tampa Bay Vipers Tampa, Florida Raymond James Stadium Grass 65,618dagger Marc Trestman
Quote: AyecarumbaThe marketing for the XFL relaunch is spooling up. I've been getting pop-up articles about the new rules for a few weeks now. However, I'm still not clear where all the team's are located, or if a broadcast outlet has picked it up.
Probably already posted, but.....
Dallas Renegades Arlington, Texas Globe Life Park in Arlington Grass 25,000 Bob Stoops
Houston Roughnecks Houston, Texas TDECU Stadium Turf 40,000 June Jones
Los Angeles Wildcats Carson, California Dignity Health Sports Park Grass 27,000 Winston Moss
Seattle Dragons Seattle, Washington CenturyLink Field Turf 69,000dagger Jim Zorn
Eastern Conference[67][64]
DC Defenders Washington, D.C. Audi Field Grass 20,000 Pep Hamilton
New York Guardians East Rutherford, New Jersey MetLife Stadium Turf 82,500dagger Kevin Gilbride
St. Louis BattleHawks St. Louis, Missouri The Dome at America's Center Turf 66,965dagger Jonathan Hayes
Tampa Bay Vipers Tampa, Florida Raymond James Stadium Grass 65,618dagger Marc Trestman
Quote: AyecarumbaThe marketing for the XFL relaunch is spooling up. I've been getting pop-up articles about the new rules for a few weeks now. However, I'm still not clear where all the team's are located, or if a broadcast outlet has picked it up.
Probably already posted, but.....
Dallas Renegades...............Arlington, Texas Globe Life Park in Arlington Grass 25,000 Bob Stoops
Houston Roughnecks.......Houston, Texas TDECU Stadium Turf 40,000 June Jones
Los Angeles Wildcats........Carson, California Dignity Health Sports Park Grass 27,000 Winston Moss
Seattle Dragons...................Seattle, Washington CenturyLink Field Turf 69,000 Jim Zorn
DC Defenders.......................Washington, D.C. Audi Field Grass 20,000 Pep Hamilton
New York Guardians..........East Rutherford, New Jersey MetLife Stadium Turf 82,500 Kevin Gilbride
St. Louis BattleHawks........St. Louis, Missouri The Dome at America's Center Turf 66,965 Jonathan Hayes
Tampa Bay Vipers................Tampa, Florida Raymond James Stadium Grass 65,618 Marc Trestman
https://www.xfl.com/en-US/articles/xfl-announces-initial-quarterback-assignments
Landry Jones (Oklahoma) has by far the most NFL experience and Dallas is the pre season favorite to win the Championship.
Matt McGloin ( Penn State) with New York also has regular season NFL experience
Highlights from training camps that started this week are available online.
All of that said, books will limit the action accepted to start the season.
Quote: AxelWolfSeriously? That's pretty cool.
I don't, asking if he does.
Quote: BozIt is actually a totally different company from an ownership standpoint. Vince sold WWE stock to finance the venture.
That said WWE stock has been on a downtown but still brings in huge money from TV deals and merchandise.
Agree XFL has a tough road ahead of them but I still believe there is a market for spring football. The USFL was very successful in certain cities until a certain owner tried to use it as a tactic to get a “free” NFL franchise by forcing a merger.
If it is not a whole owned subsidiary then I suppose that keeps WWE stock safe from it. But the USFL was not successful at all. IIRC the only time it got near a sellout was so Pittsburgh fans could boo Cliff Stoudt one more time when he played against the Maulers. USFL had a high tune-in factor the first few weeks but it kept declining week after week. At least in Pittsburgh home team games were locked out of broadcast.
The USFL was "spring football" started in March or so. By then people did not care about football. XFL might and I mean might get the people who are still inside in the cold. When it was on at first they did too much silly stuff with cameras. First game I saw they had an angle from behind the QB almost the whole game. Same angle you get from the cheapest seats IOW. And it did TV on the cheap with WWE announcers just doing football. So again IMHO if Vince is serious he needs broadcast people with football cred.
As to lines, I think a person making or playing them is even worse than betting NFL Exhibition games. Take a shot and see if you win a coin flip the first few weeks. Then maybe it settles.
Quote: AZDuffmanIf it is not a whole owned subsidiary then I suppose that keeps WWE stock safe from it. But the USFL was not successful at all. IIRC the only time it got near a sellout was so Pittsburgh fans could boo Cliff Stoudt one more time when he played against the Maulers. USFL had a high tune-in factor the first few weeks but it kept declining week after week. At least in Pittsburgh home team games were locked out of broadcast.
The USFL was "spring football" started in March or so. By then people did not care about football. XFL might and I mean might get the people who are still inside in the cold. When it was on at first they did too much silly stuff with cameras. First game I saw they had an angle from behind the QB almost the whole game. Same angle you get from the cheapest seats IOW. And it did TV on the cheap with WWE announcers just doing football. So again IMHO if Vince is serious he needs broadcast people with football cred.
As to lines, I think a person making or playing them is even worse than betting NFL Exhibition games. Take a shot and see if you win a coin flip the first few weeks. Then maybe it settles.
https://sites.google.com/site/remembertheusfl/attendance
I disagree on the attendance, while there were cities the league struggled in, there were successful ones as well.
In Tampa, the Bandits out drew a bad Bucs team.
In New Jersey I remember a Sunday where they out drew the Mets and Yankees. And the Mets gave out free Ice Cream to everyone for “Strawberry Sunday”.
The success in Jacksonville made the NFL take notice, Denver was another winning city.
Quote: Bozhttps://sites.google.com/site/remembertheusfl/attendance
I disagree on the attendance, while there were cities the league struggled in, there were successful ones as well.
In Tampa, the Bandits out drew a bad Bucs team.
In New Jersey I remember a Sunday where they out drew the Mets and Yankees. And the Mets gave out free Ice Cream to everyone for “Strawberry Sunday”.
The success in Jacksonville made the NFL take notice, Denver was another winning city.
It might have been mixed, but they went broke for a reason. People were not tuning in. Hard to say if from the start it was not a masked way to force the NFL to take the strongest teams. I recently heard there are still 2-3 old ABA owners getting an overriding royalty interest for giving up their teams in the merger.
If the XFL lets itself be a de facto enhancement talent league for the NFL they have a chance, but will then never be more than just a little more football. It will not work where it is too cold to watch in winter either.
In 2024-25 we will see who was right.
Trump thought the USFL could sue the NFL and either be awarded franchises or win hundreds of millions. Instead, they won $3, and that check was never even cashed.
Quote: billryanThe USFL folded because Donald Trump wanted the league to move to the fall and most owners didn't. No USFL team folded midseason, despite some very shaky financing and vetting of owners. The Generals caused a momentary buzz with Herschel Walker and usually drew crowds of 40,000 or so. Some cities drew well and others had horrible attendance.
Trump thought the USFL could sue the NFL and either be awarded franchises or win hundreds of millions. Instead, they won $3, and that check was never even cashed.
It was already failing before that. Teams were merging and moving, though this never finalized as the 1986 season was never played. It was over before the lawsuit.
Quote: AZDuffmanIt was already failing before that. Teams were merging and moving, though this never finalized as the 1986 season was never played. It was over before the lawsuit.
Because the Generals owner strong armed the other owners into a fantasy of competing with the NFL. The league was viable as a spring league but like any new league, needed to find the right cities and number of teams. Philadelphia was a good market but moved to Baltimore because of the plan to move to the fall.
While the success or failure of the USFL has little to do with what happens with the XFL, the USFL proved in the 80’s there was a market for Spring Football at that time.
37 years later, who knows, but it’s not about seeing who is “right” in 2-3 years. If the debate is about the USFL, you are not correct in the context you state about 1986. The 1985 season was played under the specter of moving to the fall in 86 and took momentum away from the league. Many, including myself believe the Generals owner (who moved on to bigger things) only got involved as a long shot bet on suing the NFL and getting a free franchise.
He also ruined what the original owners envisioned for the league.
The XFL will have to stand on its own merits but if they provide quality alternative programming and keep costs down, they have a chance.
Why do you think the NCAA is adding 3 new bowls next year? It’s not to sell tickets if you watched many of the lessor bowls this season. It’s about adding programming at reasonable cost.
Quote: BozBecause the Generals owner strong armed the other owners into a fantasy of competing with the NFL. The league was viable as a spring league but like any new league, needed to find the right cities and number of teams. Philadelphia was a good market but moved to Baltimore because of the plan to move to the fall.
Yeah, uh, no. Teams were in financial trouble all over.
Quote:While the success or failure of the USFL has little to do with what happens with the XFL, the USFL proved in the 80’s there was a market for Spring Football at that time.
Not really. There was a very small market, not a very viable one. The USFL was bidding for talent but did not have the revenue. A miniature version of the USSR trying to keep up with the USA on a military basis. In both cases, the lower revenue partner collapsed.
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Quote:Why do you think the NCAA is adding 3 new bowls next year? It’s not to sell tickets if you watched many of the lessor bowls this season. It’s about adding programming at reasonable cost.
Those bowl games serve some purpose. Tourism for the area. Few bucks for the school. Cheapo programming to fill space. But they are one game, not a league.
Those little
Quote: AZDuffmanIt might have been mixed, but they went broke for a reason. People were not tuning in. Hard to say if from the start it was not a masked way to force the NFL to take the strongest teams. I recently heard there are still 2-3 old ABA owners getting an overriding royalty interest for giving up their teams in the merger.
Just one, as I recall - and that's only because the original owners of the Spirits of St. Louis took a cut of all future TV revenues rather than a lump sum buyout.
I also seem to recall that at least one original USFL owner - it could have been Trump - only got involved because he figured that eventually, it would become a fall league. However, becoming a fall league was also dependent on one of the three TV networks being forced by a court to give up its NFL deal, and even then, there was no guarantee that it would air the USFL. On the other hand, at least one other team folded solely because of the move; it could have been the Oakland Invaders, as where would they play? There is no way the Raiders would agree to a stadium-sharing deal.
Quote: ThatDonGuyJust one, as I recall - and that's only because the original owners of the Spirits of St. Louis took a cut of all future TV revenues rather than a lump sum buyout.
I also seem to recall that at least one original USFL owner - it could have been Trump - only got involved because he figured that eventually, it would become a fall league. However, becoming a fall league was also dependent on one of the three TV networks being forced by a court to give up its NFL deal, and even then, there was no guarantee that it would air the USFL. On the other hand, at least one other team folded solely because of the move; it could have been the Oakland Invaders, as where would they play? There is no way the Raiders would agree to a stadium-sharing deal.
Never knew about the Spirits deal. What a deal... about $800M until the NBA bought them out! Much better than Bobby Bonilla day!
Quote: ThatDonGuyJust one, as I recall - and that's only because the original owners of the Spirits of St. Louis took a cut of all future TV revenues rather than a lump sum buyout.
I thought it was a few and a mix of folded teams and current teams. It was somewhere on YT and I do not care enough to get the exacts. I just remember thinking how forward thinking the grantees were as the NBA was a junior league at the time with no real TV revenue. It was so backwater in followers that SI made the Swimsuit Issue for the void between NFL and MLB. Today NBA and NHL do much better, but back then NBA was really a niche thing.
Quote:I also seem to recall that at least one original USFL owner - it could have been Trump - only got involved because he figured that eventually, it would become a fall league. However, becoming a fall league was also dependent on one of the three TV networks being forced by a court to give up its NFL deal, and even then, there was no guarantee that it would air the USFL. On the other hand, at least one other team folded solely because of the move; it could have been the Oakland Invaders, as where would they play? There is no way the Raiders would agree to a stadium-sharing deal.
I remember the local sportscaster saying "the strategy of the USFL is merge teams and move to unoccupied area" before the "lost" season. Even without the move the USFL was simply in trouble. Big markets such as LA or NY/NJ can pull fans just by being big. Worst case they can discount and paper tickets hoping to make it up on concessions and parking. But Birmingham? Vegas at the time? A harder sell.
There are many "maybes." Maybe if they had come out a few years later the then new FOX network would have aired them. Maybe if they had worked with ESPN. Maybe if Sears had kept the catalog just 5 more years we would think Amazon is a river. But in the end it was not to be. At least the USFL lives on as background games when you see football on a TV on a TV show.
By the way, Trump wasn't an original owner in the USFL. He bought the Generals from their original owner, who I believe was an Oklahoma oil man who didn't enjoy flying back and forth to NY on commercial flights but didn't want to buy his own plane.
And that is likely the end of that.
