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January 14th, 2018 at 6:17:02 PM permalink
Wow what a game. One of the most exciting finishes I have seen. Saints down 17 come all the way back to take the lead. Team's trade the lead many times in the last few minutes only to see Vikings win with a miracle finish on the last play of the game.

I was in a sportsbook and the crowd was going nuts. Lots of screaming right until the clock ran out. Your team was winning.....then losing....then winning....etc. Unbelievable.
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January 14th, 2018 at 6:19:55 PM permalink
Quote: vegas

Wow what a game. One of the most exciting finishes I have seen. Saints down 17 come all the way back to take the lead. Team's trade the lead many times in the last few minutes only to see Vikings win with a miracle finish on the last play of the game.

I was in a sportsbook and the crowd was going nuts. Lots of screaming right until the clock ran out. Your team was winning.....then losing....then winning....etc. Unbelievable.



Worst missed tackle to end a game in history!
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January 14th, 2018 at 6:28:45 PM permalink
Yes it sure was a missed tackle. All he had to do was stop him and they win the game. That will stay with him the rest of his career.
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January 14th, 2018 at 6:29:08 PM permalink
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Worst missed tackle to end a game in history!



What do you mean? He freed up that receiver to just trot it in with that brilliant block on the cornerback! Lol
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January 14th, 2018 at 6:49:39 PM permalink
And the Vikings cover by 1 point. That last play of the game made me $400.
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January 14th, 2018 at 6:50:15 PM permalink
Rigged.
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January 14th, 2018 at 8:24:40 PM permalink
Quote: Ace2

And the Vikings cover by 1 point. That last play of the game made me $400.



I was about to ask. Anyone here get completely screwed with a Saints +4/+4.5 ticket? It seemed that +5 was available today.

I had the Saints teased, so I just enjoyed the show (woulda liked to see Brees win though).
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January 14th, 2018 at 8:39:43 PM permalink
I think the Vikings made the usually fatal mistake of celebrating at halftime.

The guy that mis-defended the last play was so scared of pass interference penalty he just wanted to force Diggs to stay in bounds. He did achieve his objectives.

Oops.

SKOL!

That was exhilarating. I thought they'd blown it for sure. I was hollering like a crazy woman. Can't believe both defenders just went by him on the reception and there was nobody deep to stop the run.

However, if he gets out of bounds, or they get a penalty, they have the clock stopped and a couple seconds to get the field goal kicked, well in range and an indoor stadium, home field. So I think they win anyway.

This was much more fun.
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January 14th, 2018 at 8:40:05 PM permalink
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Rigged.



What happened to the extra point on that game ending TD?
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January 14th, 2018 at 8:42:54 PM permalink
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What happened to the extra point on that game ending TD?




They configured for a 2 PT conversion and knelt. Didn't want to chance a blocked PAT runback. Or any kind of cough-up on the conversion.

Took them about 10 minutes, maybe more, to clear the field. Saints had already left and had to come back out. Very anticlimactic. Except it was hysterical when Keenum led the crowd in the Skol chant FROM THE OFFENSIVE LINE while they were waiting for the Saints to come back. Nobody had left, either. Full stands hollering the whole time.
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January 14th, 2018 at 10:15:25 PM permalink
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They configured for a 2 PT conversion and knelt. Didn't want to chance a blocked PAT runback. Or any kind of cough-up on the conversion.


Because of some mysterious new rule that says the defense gets 6 points for a defensive TD if there's no time on the clock?

You're right if they're ahead by 1 or 2, but when the result is not in doubt, they line up for a 2-point conversion and take a knee because it's the quickest way to end the game. I have seen a number of discussions elsewhere on why they even make them do this in the playoffs when the result is not in doubt. In the regular season, I understand - points scored has something to do with one of the division/seeding tiebreakers - but it's not necessary in the postseason. Note that, if the result can't be changed, then they don't do it in college football.
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January 14th, 2018 at 11:08:18 PM permalink
They don't go for extra points out of mercy and respect when the game is otherwise over. Self-preservation plays a factor as well I'm sure.
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January 14th, 2018 at 11:28:14 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

Because of some mysterious new rule that says the defense gets 6 points for a defensive TD if there's no time on the clock?

You're right if they're ahead by 1 or 2, but when the result is not in doubt, they line up for a 2-point conversion and take a knee because it's the quickest way to end the game. I have seen a number of discussions elsewhere on why they even make them do this in the playoffs when the result is not in doubt. In the regular season, I understand - points scored has something to do with one of the division/seeding tiebreakers - but it's not necessary in the postseason. Note that, if the result can't be changed, then they don't do it in college football.



Are you saying that, if they (for example) tried a 2 PT conversion and fumbled to the other team instead, the other team would not be allowed to run it into the end zone if they could? I don't know the answer, I'm asking. But if the game's not over until they kick/convert, I would think the other team could still score.
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January 15th, 2018 at 12:20:35 AM permalink
Yes they could Babs but it would only be worth 2 points so they would still lose by 3. The game was over, the Saints had no ability to win at that point.
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January 15th, 2018 at 2:17:35 AM permalink
the player that missed the tackle and blocked his teammate instead must close his eyes when he tackles ... well, actually, well before he tackles. At the moment of tackle it would be natural.
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January 15th, 2018 at 6:11:24 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

They configured for a 2 PT conversion and knelt. Didn't want to chance a blocked PAT runback. Or any kind of cough-up on the conversion.



As mentioned earlier, a PAT runback is worth only 2 points in college and more recently the NFL. I assume they knelt to avoid a freak injury.
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January 15th, 2018 at 6:26:07 AM permalink
No time on the clock, they had the game won, no need for more points. Can't be any easier to explain then that.
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January 15th, 2018 at 6:39:27 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Nobody had left, either. Full stands hollering the whole time.



Hell, when it is minus 6 outside, why would anyone leave until kicked out? :)
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January 15th, 2018 at 6:41:41 AM permalink
I've long thought the NFL needs to get rid of the mandatory PAT attempt when it can't impact the result of the game. Even in the regular season, while it could somehow impact the playoff tiebreakers due to the 9th and 10th tiebreaker scenarios, if all teams are playing under the same set of rules, scrap this procedure and let the players celebrate or lick their wounds and just be done with the game. And even more reason to scrap it in the playoffs. The Vikings could have snapped the ball, walked over and handed it to the Saints punter, Morstead, who was sent back out their to stand up on the PAT, reported broker ribs and all, and watched him hobble 98 yards to the other end zone, AND NOTHING CHANGES THE OUTCOME.

In fact, I kind of wish they had, just to further embarrass the NFL and this ridiculous rule.
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January 15th, 2018 at 6:42:07 AM permalink
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Hell, when it is minus 6 outside, why would anyone leave until kicked out? :)


I'm certain there's enough alcohol in most to ward off the air temperature. 😁
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January 15th, 2018 at 6:45:35 AM permalink
Quote: MidwestAP

I've long thought the NFL needs to get rid of the mandatory PAT attempt when it can't impact the result of the game. Even in the regular season, while it could somehow impact the playoff tiebreakers due to the 9th and 10th tiebreaker scenarios, if all teams are playing under the same set of rules, scrap this procedure and let the players celebrate or lick their wounds and just be done with the game. And even more reason to scrap it in the playoffs. The Vikings could have snapped the ball, walked over and handed it to the Saints punter, Morstead, who was sent back out their to stand up on the PAT, reported broker ribs and all, and watched him hobble 98 yards to the other end zone, AND NOTHING CHANGES THE OUTCOME.

In fact, I kind of wish they had, just to further embarrass the NFL and this ridiculous rule.



Which would have made one of the worst bad beats of all time for Saints bettors the actual worst bad beat of all time for Vikings bettors.

But yes, the rule is extremely extremely dumb. Which means it will only change if enough people make fun of it for more than today. The NFL only cares if public opinion lasts longer than one news/sports cycle.
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January 15th, 2018 at 7:17:38 AM permalink
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But yes, the rule is extremely extremely dumb.

Agreed.

I was at a Jags-Steelers game on MNF back in 1997. Jags leading 23-21, and the Steelers line up for a game-winning field goal on the last play of the game. Jags block it & run it back for a TD.

We celebrated the win and didn't leave the stadium until well after the "end" of the game. I didn't find out that the Jags kicked the PAT until the next day at work when a co-worker told me about it.

It was 20+ min after they scored the TD before they could get the teams back onto the field. The players had all gone to the locker room, and the refs had to go to retrieve them.

Dumb rule.
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January 15th, 2018 at 7:20:37 AM permalink
If you teased the side for Minn/NO game, you couldnt lose.... but that extra point was exciting to see if they would kick it to cover or not cover so many bets!
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January 15th, 2018 at 8:52:24 AM permalink
After they took 15 minutes to kick all the reporters off the field they deliberately sat on the snap so that there was no chance of the Saints blocking the kick and running it down the field for a TD.

It's been a long time since I've seen a good Hail Mary. There must have been a lot of truly disgusted people in Louisana.
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January 15th, 2018 at 9:08:37 AM permalink
Quote: Lucca3927

After they took 15 minutes to kick all the reporters off the field they deliberately sat on the snap so that there was no chance of the Saints blocking the kick and running it down the field for a TD.


Which, as has been pointed out already in this thread, is only worth 2 points on a PAT instead of 6. As far as I know, there is no provision for continuing the game (after the PAT) once time has expired except when the game ends up tied and overtime is needed.

There are all sorts of reasons for taking a knee in this situation, including:
* As I said earlier, it's the easiest way to get on the field, run a play, and get back off; nobody wants to be there.
* If the Saints let the Vikings score, the NFL and the FBI would be all over the players for point shaving (well, the opposite of point shaving).
* For that matter, if the Vikings throw an interception to the Saints, who then score, they suspect the same thing (wasn't the spread 4 1/2 at some point?).
* Scoring on a play like this smacks of running up the score.
* There's also the possibility that somebody was involved with a major fantasy football bet. I assume that at least one "major" fantasy football organization has some sort of "one-weekend league" for at least the first two rounds of the playoffs.
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January 15th, 2018 at 9:59:01 AM permalink
Anyone else see the interview with the drunken, shirtless fan outside the stadium after the game? Dude had a hilariously large amount of steam coming off of him.
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January 15th, 2018 at 10:03:08 AM permalink
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Anyone else see the interview with the drunken, shirtless fan outside the stadium after the game? Dude had a hilariously large amount of steam coming off of him.


Probably just the alcohol evaporating from him lol.
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January 15th, 2018 at 10:05:34 AM permalink
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Anyone else see the interview with the drunken, shirtless fan outside the stadium after the game? Dude had a hilariously large amount of steam coming off of him.



Link? Googled it but didn't find it.
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January 15th, 2018 at 10:32:42 AM permalink
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Which, as has been pointed out already in this thread, is only worth 2 points on a PAT instead of 6.

Denver Broncos Block Extra Point and Return it for 2 Points to Beat Saints (Nov 2016)

http://thebiglead.com/2016/11/13/denver-broncos-block-extra-point-and-return-it-for-2-points-to-beat-saints/

Saints lose in lots of weird ways it seems
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January 15th, 2018 at 12:11:12 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

Which, as has been pointed out already in this thread, is only worth 2 points on a PAT instead of 6. As far as I know, there is no provision for continuing the game (after the PAT) once time has expired except when the game ends up tied and overtime is needed.

There are all sorts of reasons for taking a knee in this situation, including:
* As I said earlier, it's the easiest way to get on the field, run a play, and get back off; nobody wants to be there.
* If the Saints let the Vikings score, the NFL and the FBI would be all over the players for point shaving (well, the opposite of point shaving).
* For that matter, if the Vikings throw an interception to the Saints, who then score, they suspect the same thing (wasn't the spread 4 1/2 at some point?).
* Scoring on a play like this smacks of running up the score.
* There's also the possibility that somebody was involved with a major fantasy football bet. I assume that at least one "major" fantasy football organization has some sort of "one-weekend league" for at least the first two rounds of the playoffs.



If this occurs in the Super Bowl it counts as a "missed 2 point conversion" which I am pretty sure is a prop bet option.
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January 15th, 2018 at 1:28:27 PM permalink
How about awarding two points to the defense for all failed Point After Attempts. That would make every one pretty interesting.
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January 15th, 2018 at 2:24:00 PM permalink
-4.5 and +5.5 available all weekend. Sportsbooks *should* have been crushed on this game. Knowing the Las Vegas market, they probably did great
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