Mayweather-McGregor fight 8/26/17
A. There is a massive event. Hundreds of millions are generated. Its on tv a ton. People are talking about it everywhere you go.
B. The event is a farce. An amateur fighting a great professional. It will not be competitive and the fight itself is no more interesting than MLB teams playing local colleges in spring training.
It is hard to reconcile A and B so people start creating narratives to do so.
McGregor wraps Floyd's leg around his neck!
Floyd hit McGregor in the face so many times only thing I can recognize is his ears!
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Or in other words, fight delayed.
Yawn.
The clincher.... I literally told you mayweather wouldn't retire 49-1... he's WAYYYYY to prideful and had boxing pride on the line. This was probably the easiest lock I've ever bet.Quote: RSDefinitely seems like there could be some shenanigans afoot. I certainly hope there won't no be any shenanigans, though.
So here's my opinion on the fight... It went exactly as I thought it would. You can't convince me they didn't pre-script the fight to let a few things happen:
1) Boxer wins to save boxing reputation.
2) Mayweather retires 50-0.
3) MMA fighter keeps his respect and isn't embarrassed.
4) Fight takes time and goes more than a few rounds (though I did think it would end around round 6, not 10).
As a fighter that's WATCHED them both fight, I can seriously give my opinion in stating that was a 75% SPARING MATCH (which is typical gym sparing where you're trying but not trying to actually hurt the other guy). I've seen them both fight, and in that fight I didn't see one punch from EITHER fighter that had "bad intentions" on it. They colluded and planned out a "win/win" scenario for both of them, which is why McGreggor was grinning ear to ear the entire time and after the fight.
Two more quick notes:
1) That ref was unbelievably disrespectful to connor, staring at him while stating the rules like he hasn't ever been in a god damn fight before. The ref also BROKE them apart when they WERE NOT clinched but mayweather had his back turned. Lastly, in my opinion, he prematurely stopped the fight.
2) Good thing I waited till 20 min before the fight to get Mayweather at -350 ;-) ;-) ;-).... The easiest sports bet in history.
Quote: RomesYou can't convince me they didn't pre-script the fight to let a few things happen:
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That's why (even though this would never be sanctioned, boxing matches should be paid by itemization.
Draw blood - 5k
Broken rib - 10k
Tooth - 10k
Concussion -20k
Who iniates this discussion, just assuming the other side goes along?
What's in it for floyd? He could write almost any script he chose.
Plus, if Conor stabs him in the back, what can he say?
Quote: IbeatyouracesMcGregor doesn't have the stamina for boxing.
Excitement drains a person, no matter his physical condition. Ask any male whose been with a woman he's dreamed about or simply craved to impress to the point of showing his true love for her and she becomes submissive. (no further explanation needed for adults)
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1) That ref was unbelievably disrespectful to connor, staring at him while stating the rules like he hasn't ever been in a god damn fight before. The ref also BROKE them apart when they WERE NOT clinched but mayweather had his back turned. Lastly, in my opinion, he prematurely stopped the fight.
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Agree completely about the "instructions" at the beginning. It showed the public that the ref was in Floyd's corner.
Any opinion on Coner sort of hammering Floyd's head when they were clinched or sort of clinched? He could have really hammered him but they were just taps?
Had the ref given a standing eight count, let it continue, then stopped it soon thereafter....the over 9.5 rounds might have won. I doubt the ref knew the exact time but I'm sure the over bettors are demanding refunds at the very least....
Quote: RomesThe clincher.... I literally told you mayweather wouldn't retire 49-1... he's WAYYYYY to prideful and had boxing pride on the line. This was probably the easiest lock I've ever bet.
So here's my opinion on the fight... It went exactly as I thought it would. You can't convince me they didn't pre-script the fight to let a few things happen:
1) Boxer wins to save boxing reputation.
2) Mayweather retires 50-0.
3) MMA fighter keeps his respect and isn't embarrassed.
4) Fight takes time and goes more than a few rounds (though I did think it would end around round 6, not 10).
As a fighter that's WATCHED them both fight, I can seriously give my opinion in stating that was a 75% SPARING MATCH (which is typical gym sparing where you're trying but not trying to actually hurt the other guy). I've seen them both fight, and in that fight I didn't see one punch from EITHER fighter that had "bad intentions" on it. They colluded and planned out a "win/win" scenario for both of them, which is why McGreggor was grinning ear to ear the entire time and after the fight.
Two more quick notes:
1) That ref was unbelievably disrespectful to connor, staring at him while stating the rules like he hasn't ever been in a god damn fight before. The ref also BROKE them apart when they WERE NOT clinched but mayweather had his back turned. Lastly, in my opinion, he prematurely stopped the fight.
2) Good thing I waited till 20 min before the fight to get Mayweather at -350 ;-) ;-) ;-).... The easiest sports bet in history.
I said there could be shenanigans afoot, as in they could be afoot....not that I necessarily thought there would be. And yes, I had a wager on Mayweather. I bet him at -600, -575, and -550, along with a few other times with better odds but smaller amounts. Wish I waited longer to get it at a better price, but meh. Free money is free money.
Don't know all the rules and whatnot in boxing, but definitely seemed like the ref ended it early. That's fine by me though. Just glad I didn't have a bet on Connor getting knocked down (I was considering it).
He should have backed up the speech by penalizing Conor for the hammer punches.
Floyd said the cantor (presumably) turned down his $5,000,000 bet on himself. But he did have a smaller bet on the under. So, if that's true, everybody involved would be commiting a serious federal crime if the fight was rigged. Which is one more reason it would be extremely improbable.
Mayweather beat him from one side of the ring to the other, and Conor couldn't even lift his gloves . He wasn't defending himself, nor was he throwing punches.
Mayweather hit him at least sixteen times in a row without Conor doing anything but retreat.
Quote: Rigondeaux
Floyd said the cantor (presumably) turned down his $5,000,000 bet on himself. But he did have a smaller bet on the under. So, if that's true, everybody involved would be commiting a serious federal crime if the fight was rigged. Which is one more reason it would be extremely improbable.
I didn't see that. The report was $400,000. on the KO, then the under, both required them to "call". I don't know who they called. This took too long and they left.(afternoon of the event)
Unless Coner got some of the $5,000,000., why do you think it would have been a crime? I thought that was sorted out leading up to the fight. As long as he bet on himself it was okay?
Thanks.
Deal of the year.
Quote: NokTangI didn't see that. The report was $400,000. on the KO, then the under, both required them to "call". I don't know who they called. This took too long and they left.(afternoon of the event)
Unless Coner got some of the $5,000,000., why do you think it would have been a crime? I thought that was sorted out leading up to the fight. As long as he bet on himself it was okay?
Thanks.
Yes, it's legal for boxers to bet on themselves.
However, it is illegal to bet on the fight and then rig it.
Romes suggested that the fight was scripted, and/or that an agreement on the outcome was made prefight. I'm not sure if this would be illegal without anyone involved betting on the fight. However if they did bet on it, I am pretty sure that it would be illegal. This is why that NBA ref went to prison.
Quote: NokTangHad the ref given a standing eight count, let it continue, then stopped it soon thereafter....the over 9.5 rounds might have won. I doubt the ref knew the exact time but I'm sure the over bettors are demanding refunds at the very least....
I don't think over/under in boxing works that way - 9.5 "should" mean, "Will the fight go at least 10 full rounds, yes or no?". I am under the impression that, even if the fight had been stopped at 2:59 of the tenth round, "under 9.5" would win. It may be different for each book, but if I am reading the William Hill rules correctly, WH rule 3a seems to agree with this version - for betting purposes, the fight only went 9 rounds.
Quote: ThatDonGuyI don't think over/under in boxing works that way - 9.5 "should" mean, "Will the fight go at least 10 full rounds, yes or no?". I am under the impression that, even if the fight had been stopped at 2:59 of the tenth round, "under 9.5" would win. It may be different for each book, but if I am reading the William Hill rules correctly, WH rule 3a seems to agree with this version - for betting purposes, the fight only went 9 rounds.
That was my understanding too for how Las Vegas handles it. Betting under 9.5 rounds would mean that it will be less than 10 rounds.
All I wanted to hear =).Quote: RS...And yes, I had a wager on Mayweather. I bet him at -600, -575, and -550, along with a few other times with better odds but smaller amounts...
To my knowledge it's legal if it would have been to the face, while standing (i.e. essentially a regular punch slightly different motion). It was definitely not legal to the top/back of floyd's head. One thing I thought was really interesting, that you've never seen a boxer do, is clinch but take the back, like connor did while punching with the other hand until the ref says "stop" or "break." I think more boxers will start doing that after watching this fight. That really was a great idea and floyd didn't seem to know what to do with it.Quote: NokTang...Any opinion on Coner sort of hammering Floyd's head when they were clinched or sort of clinched? He could have really hammered him but they were just taps? ...
90% of what he said is GENERIC FIGHT INSTRUCTIONS that they also say in MMA... stuff like "now when I say STOP you have to stop!" He was saying sh*t like that and just STARING at connor the entire time. Like please, he's a professional fighter that listens to refs and his corner while fighting ALL the damn time. Do you know how many times I've been to boxing class? Thousands... Do you know how many times I've taken someone down, elbowed, or kicked them during boxing class? Zero... and connor is a damn professional. It was straight disrespect from the ref to the "mma fighter."Quote: RigondeauxThe refs instructions were fine. OMG, he told an MMA fighter in his first boxing match to be damn sure to follow boxing rules. Big whoop...
Yep, maybe even of the century =D.Quote: ahiromuBovada dropped to -350 before the fight, is that because they didn't have the 7-figure bettors that Vegas did?
Deal of the year.
The losers all bet on emotion, with most being MMA fanboys.
I personally made a special trip to Vegas just to bet the fight and while I didn't get the best odds, I feel good I made the right bet and won. And now I have to come back and collect my winnings, along with my initial wager. Not a bad night at all.
Congrats to everyone who had the foresight to do the right thing here.
To put in in context, the Big Three tournament finals were held earlier that day and attendance was over 15,000, although I imagine much of that was papered.
Quote: billryanThe fight drew less than 15,000 people. Canelo -Chavez packed in over 20,000 for the same venue. Two friends that had tickets in 105 were upgraded to seats just off the floor.
To put in in context, the Big Three tournament finals were held earlier that day and attendance was over 15,000, although I imagine much of that was papered.
They overpriced the live fight but I think the PPV numbers will be big when they come out. The thought is the last minute buys were huge and will blow away Manny-Floyd.
Also to put it in perspective, they expect the numbers to beat the annual numbers of UFC easily and come close to what the WWE does in a year. Both are wildly successful companies that can only dream of numbers like this did.
Quote: billryanI'm sure they will, but with 6,000 empty seats, I'm not sure the casinos had the bonanza they were expecting.
Yea that I would agree with. I would guess since casinos are offered the tickets at full retail, they didn't have enough customers interested that justified the cost at their play level. Not a huge amount of players that quality for a $7000 layout for 2 tickets plus Full RNB.
The Canelo fight will not be as big an overall revenue generator but will be sold out.
Congrats on the win.Quote: BozI would think most on here bet large or semi large amounts on Mayweather. Some hinted about it but like a good play many were silent. While it could have still lost, like any bet, the value was there assuming the fight was straight, which it was. Floyd is too proud of his record to do anything to not have won the fight. So if he lost, it would have been nothing anyone could have seen coming.
The losers all bet on emotion, with most being MMA fanboys.
I personally made a special trip to Vegas just to bet the fight and while I didn't get the best odds, I feel good I made the right bet and won. And now I have to come back and collect my winnings, along with my initial wager. Not a bad night at all.
Congrats to everyone who had the foresight to do the right thing here.
I don't see why this should have been some secret play. It's "almost" as obvious as when James Toney got in the Octagon to fight Randy Couture. Even people who aren't boxers, fighters, boxing fans, nor mma fans knew how this fight would end... If Ronda Rousey can fight another fellow well established MMA Female and be a -2000 favorite, then holy hell what should Floyd Mayweather be against Connor McGreggor in a BOXING match? Certainly not -350 ;-) (or 500, or 600, or even 1000). I shared that opinion the entire way, and I still got the best price out of anyone I've heard of yet.
Quote:It was widely assumed that he (McGregor) had claimed the opening three rounds, as Mayweather - who took his record to 50-0 as a professional - was hit with a number of solid shots and threw punches himself only occasionally.
Not so, according to officials Burt Clements and Guido Cavalleri. Clements and Cavalleri both gave McGregor just a single round, the first. Clements scored the bout 89-82 and Cavelleri 89-81, the difference coming because the Italian had the ninth as a 10-8 round for Mayweather.
Another judge, Dave Moretti, gave McGregor Rounds 1 through 3, but went with Mayweather the rest of the way.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mma/conor-mcgregor-judges-biased-in-%E2%80%98the-money-fight%E2%80%99-fight-against-floyd-mayweather/ar-AAqQLeR?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
Quote: onenickelmiracleOne observation, people were divided amongst race lines on who they favored. It was the smart thing to back Mayweather as far as I could tell, just seemed like black people were more on Mayweathers side, alt right whites were with McGregor, they seemed depressed. Not scientific naturally, just my observation seeing fans publicly watching.
I'm going to disagree with this is so many ways from what I observed. I hate race being added into anything like this.
All of that said I observed in the 80's with Cooney/ Holmes and hope we have moved beyond that. But I can't debate if that is what you observed.
I would like to think it was just a lot of Irish picking their countryman.
Quote: RSWill Mayweather fight again? How likely/unlikely?
He has another in him. Let's see if he drops his entourage. If not, back to the ring he goes.
He's done this farce.
Let's combine the two and have him break new ground.
Mayweather vs Rhonda Rousey, in a catch all shoot.
Quote: RSWill Mayweather fight again? How likely/unlikely?
Seeing as there is no reason to.
Yeah probably he will.
I read today that Conor owns a million dollars worth of suits. That's just nuts.
Quote: MrVTime for Floyd to do a sex tape.
Can Mayweather punish McGregor in bed as much as he did in the ring?
"For clarity, fight went 9 full rounds and 1 min, 5 secs into the 10th round. Needed to last 25 secs more to go over 9.5. Books paid under."
I don't know if individual books have different rules. I always had the impression that in boxing over/under, a half of a round meant 1.30....
Quote: billryanHe's done Wrestlemania.
He's done this farce.
Let's combine the two and have him break new ground.
Mayweather vs Rhonda Rousey, in a catch all shoot.
This would be another cash bonanza.
Obviously, would have to be MMA so she has a chance.
But, his path to victory would be to just knock her cold. That raises some issues, for him in particular.
If he was the grappler and she was the puncher, I think you could very well see it.
Quote: ahiromuBovada dropped to -350 before the fight, is that because they didn't have the 7-figure bettors that Vegas did?
Deal of the year.
Bovada's model is to keep out winning bettors and fleece recreational players. So, in this case, that meant offering the worst price to Conor bettors.
Doubt they accepted any 7 figure bets on floyd.
Observed where I was watching the fight, not on the showing. It's probably just the mma crowd for all I know.Quote: BozI'm going to disagree with this is so many ways from what I observed. I hate race being added into anything like this.
All of that said I observed in the 80's with Cooney/ Holmes and hope we have moved beyond that. But I can't debate if that is what you observed.
I would like to think it was just a lot of Irish picking their countryman.
Quote: billryanHe's done Wrestlemania.
He's done this farce.
Let's combine the two and have him break new ground.
Mayweather vs Rhonda Rousey, in a catch all shoot.
There are strong rumors Rousey is training for a wrestling match at Wrestlemania next year. Pure scripted wrestling match though.
Quote: RigondeauxThis would be another cash bonanza.
Obviously, would have to be MMA so she has a chance.
But, his path to victory would be to just knock her cold. That raises some issues, for him in particular.
If he was the grappler and she was the puncher, I think you could very well see it.
Exactly what I was thinking. I also doubt Mayweather knocking out a WOMAN cold will go over too well. All of his boxing matches IIRC are him knocking out MEN cold, never a WOMAN!
I only really invited people I know from the forum who I have hung out with before, plus a friend of a friend. Most of the people know from here are white(Dj didn't make it). I'm sure I forgot to invite some people however I wanted of kinda low key since I was on the fence about having it in the first place since I hadn't been feeling well and I'm still in the process of "remodeling" and whatnot. Had any more shown up I would have had to bring a couch down from upstairs.Quote: billryanMayweather has been playing the villain for years. Even with that, the forumite who graciously invited me over to watch had an almost all white viewing party and to a man we all all bet on, or were rooting, for Mayweather.
Perhaps a Superbowl party/BBQ to make up for the people who didn't get an invite.
I enjoyed the fight, it was better than expected.
P.S. I was actually rooting for MC Gregor to win but I didn't root to hard knowing others had bet on Mayweather.
