ahiromu
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October 20th, 2016 at 3:42:37 PM permalink
I'm going to be making some teasers where the EV is enough to go to Cosmo (CG) or taxi up to Wynn. That said, it would be great to know the current odds and for those odds to be accurate since half a point means a lot. Should I be using Vegasinsider? What do the local sharps use?

Edit: Bonus question: Can you tease a line if the current line requires -120 (and pays the listed fixed odds)?
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Joeshlabotnik
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October 20th, 2016 at 6:01:35 PM permalink
You have no way of knowing whether the line as it is now will be the same thirty seconds from now, let alone the duration of a cab ride. That's why arbitrage teams have people camping out in every major sports book. It's also precisely the reason why sports books forbid the use of cell phones (and don't have any pay phones nearby).

As far as teasers go, the policy varies from casino to casino. Bottom line, the only accurate answers you'll get to your questions are by going there and finding out for yourself.
Rigondeaux
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October 20th, 2016 at 6:47:49 PM permalink
Pregame is sleazy, but has a better odds aggregator.

In my opinion you should only really pay attention to the line at pinnacle. Don't forget to factor in the juice.
DrawingDead
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October 20th, 2016 at 7:21:22 PM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

...made-up drivel...

Oh geejus, and whaddaya know, up pops Shlab with a typical "answer" pulled outta the Botnik shorts, surprise not. Spend a lot of time in a lotta Las Vegas books do ya there Joeshlab? More than perhaps, oh, say, the guy who asked the question? Sometime in this century? And guess ya know a whole lotta 'bout the workings of 'dem "arbitrage teams" while you're at it, eh?" I kinda doubt it.

Cell phones have definitely NOT been anything like "forbidden" in sports books for the better part of a decade, and for years now most of the better books have even been providing free wifi to customers in the book, for crissakes. They simply ask you to please not be on the phone while coming up to the counter to wager. I don't even consider using a book anymore that doesn't provide me with a workstation equipped with, at a bare minimum: conveniently located power outlets that are adequate for my computer & tablet & cell simultaneously, and good quality reliable high-speed wifi internet access so I don't have to tether through my phone for the streaming data feeds that I constantly use all day long in the book. Most real books amounting to more than a satellite William Hill kiosk tucked in the corner of a little ghetto grind joint are set up to do that, and have been for a long time. Though there are still a few of them (like The Mirage) that haven't upgraded their infrastructure in the book for a long time, so I did once need the assistance of the (very eagerly helpful) book's manager to locate one of their available power connections under the old cabinetry, so I wouldn't be limited to battery power while spending twelve hours there, as I commonly do in race/sportsbooks. And at a few, like TI and Bally's, you may need to get a password from one of the supervisors for the wifi that's dedicated only for use of customers in the book, to prevent it from being used by general wandering Shlabs out in the slots & bars & whatnot who aren't doing anything in the book.

Ahiromu, if it is important enough to you to check lines in real time, one option is that you could open advance deposit wagering accounts covering most of the books and use their sports wagering apps to see their lines for most things, even if not to actually make your wager that way, so long as your cell phone is physically within Nevada at the time (residency not required - just physical location at the moment of use). Off the top of my head a partial list of those with apps now available putting their books online includes: The Boyd casinos, Cantor (the book operator for multiple major Las Vegas casinos incl. Venetian), the MGM-Mirage properties, Southpoint, Station Casinos, TI, Westgate (formerly LV Hilton), William Hill (book for many casino locations throughout Nevada), Wynn, and probably a couple of others that escape my recollection at the moment. The only book operator of any consequence that I can think of right now that hasn't come out with an online (in-state use only) sportsbook wagering app is Caesars Entertainment.

I like to use VegasInsider for some things, just because it's handy, but not for real-time or even hourly accuracy. For something like looking at the first line "hung" on baseball "overnights" they've usually provided what I need for tracking some data on some spreadsheets of mine. But my experience has been that the timeliness and degree of completeness of their updates is inconsistent, and not suitable for relying upon them for something highly time sensitive.
Last edited by: DrawingDead on Oct 20, 2016
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RonC
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October 20th, 2016 at 7:34:44 PM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

It's also precisely the reason why sports books forbid the use of cell phones (and don't have any pay phones nearby).



Did this start in the past couple of weeks? I was just out there and used my cellphone standing in the middle of the sports book...
DrawingDead
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October 20th, 2016 at 7:39:26 PM permalink
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Did this start in the past couple of weeks? I was just out there and used my cellphone standing in the middle of the sports book...

Well, sit the hell down, 'cause you're prolly blocking the view of the dozens of people using their tablets & phones.
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Keeneone
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October 20th, 2016 at 8:05:06 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

Did this start in the past couple of weeks? I was just out there and used my cellphone standing in the middle of the sports book...


As DD mentioned, it is just wrong information. Today there was a gentleman @ the Wynn Sportsbook (pretty much camped out with notepad) reading off college football lines while on the phone. He was doing this rather loudly if you ask me, but nobody cared. As long as you are not talking on it (or looking at it) while making a wager, you are fine.
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A couple of online sites that do provide requested information like VegasInsider: Pinnacle, Scores and Odds. Accuracy of information will vary and should only be used as a guide.
RonC
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October 20th, 2016 at 8:16:12 PM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead

Well, sit the hell down, 'cause you're prolly blocking the view of the dozens of people using their tablets & phones.



I did once I found the damn game I was looking for on the darned board. Lucky for me, the book was just opening up...it took me way too long to find it!!
ahiromu
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October 20th, 2016 at 8:30:20 PM permalink
I appreciate it, thanks guys. I never paid this much attention to the lines, they really do move hourly.

Not enough EV to bother with the deposit account... I only get out there 4 times a year these days.
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ahiromu
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October 20th, 2016 at 8:33:37 PM permalink
Also, cell phones, yeah. My rule of thumb is to not be looking at the boards and on my phone at the same time, anything else goes. I'll text with someone during a game without a second thought.
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