2016 WoV NFL Picks Game (Discussion Thread)
The Weeek 2 Picks have been posted:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/26768-2016-wov-nfl-picks-game-official-thread/2/#post554147
We also appear to be missing two players, and I was going to figure it out, but then I figured it will come to light when the standings get posted.
Taking a skip week
Had every intention of picking
but
was playing an addicting video game, Fallout 4
Time just flies and when I noticed the clock, it was past midnight
Just set a alarm on my phone for every Sat nite so I don't forget again :-)
On the plus side, will still be in 1st place :-)
My Pittsburgh is -3.5 - Confidence not +3.5. It's called a typo. I see another person did the same thing as me too.
For discrepancies like this, especially with ATS picks, please note that the team should be the qualifier, not the number. It is very easy to mistakenly misplace a -/+.
I'm just throwing this out here to ensure that my pick shows the correct symbol and so I note my pick before the game is played.
Games First followed by Players Second:
| Team | Wager | Wagered ON | Opposition | # of Players ON | Confidence For | Confidence Against |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Green Bay | -2.5 | 12 | 3 | 15 | 3 | 0 |
| Kansas City | 2.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | 1 | 1 |
| San Francisco | 13.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | 1 | 1 |
| Cleveland | 6.5 | 6 | 4 | 10 | 2 | 0 |
| Dallas | 3 | 7 | 2 | 9 | 0 | 1 |
| Seattle | -6.5 | 7 | 2 | 9 | 1 | 0 |
| Philadelphia | 3 | 7 | 1 | 8 | 1 | 0 |
| Pittsburgh | -3.5 | 5 | 3 | 8 | 2 | 0 |
| Miami | 6.5 | 4 | 4 | 8 | 1 | 0 |
| Indianapolis | 6 | 5 | 2 | 7 | 0 | 1 |
| Oakland | -4.5 | 5 | 2 | 7 | 0 | 0 |
| Atlanta | UNDER 49.5 | 4 | 2 | 6 | 0 | 0 |
| New Orleans | 4.5 | 4 | 2 | 6 | 0 | 1 |
| Detroit | -6 | 3 | 2 | 5 | 0 | 0 |
| Jacksonville | 3 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 |
| Arizona | -6.5 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 0 |
| Arizona | UNDER 50 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 |
| Kansas City | UNDER 43 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 |
| New Orleans | UNDER 53 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 |
| Baltimore | UNDER 42.5 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Detroit | UNDER 47.5 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Minnesota | UNDER 43.5 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| New England | OVER 42 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Philadelphia | OVER 42.5 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Pittsburgh | OVER 48.5 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
PLAYERS
| Player | Team | Wager | Wagered ON | Opposition | # of Players ON | Confidence | Confidence For | Confidence Against |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 10DollarBrit | Denver | -6 | 2 | 5 | 7 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| 10DollarBrit | Houston | -2.5 | 2 | 10 | 12 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| 10DollarBrit | Los Angeles | 6.5 | 2 | 7 | 9 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| 10DollarBrit | Cleveland | 6.5 | 6 | 4 | 10 | NO | 2 | 0 |
| 10DollarBrit | Dallas | 3 | 7 | 2 | 9 | NO | 0 | 1 |
| Alusio | Jacksonville | 3 | 3 | 0 | 3 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| Alusio | Pittsburgh | -3.5 | 5 | 3 | 8 | YES | 2 | 0 |
| Alusio | Philadelphia | 3 | 7 | 1 | 8 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| Alusio | Seattle | -6.5 | 7 | 2 | 9 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| Alusio | San Francisco | 13.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | NO | 1 | 1 |
| AyeCarumba | New Orleans | OVER 53 | 1 | 1 | 2 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| AyeCarumba | New England | -6.5 | 4 | 4 | 8 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| AyeCarumba | Oakland | -4.5 | 5 | 2 | 7 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| AyeCarumba | Dallas | 3 | 7 | 2 | 9 | NO | 0 | 1 |
| AyeCarumba | Seattle | -6.5 | 7 | 2 | 9 | YES | 1 | 0 |
| BeachBumBabs | Kansas City | OVER 43 | 1 | 1 | 2 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| BeachBumBabs | Minnesota | UNDER 43.5 | 1 | 0 | 1 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| BeachBumBabs | Arizona | -6.5 | 2 | 1 | 3 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| BeachBumBabs | Baltimore | -6.5 | 4 | 6 | 10 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| BeachBumBabs | Green Bay | -2.5 | 12 | 3 | 15 | YES | 3 | 0 |
| EdCollins | Detroit | -6 | 3 | 2 | 5 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| EdCollins | Miami | 6.5 | 4 | 4 | 8 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| EdCollins | Oakland | -4.5 | 5 | 2 | 7 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| EdCollins | Dallas | 3 | 7 | 2 | 9 | NO | 0 | 1 |
| EdCollins | Green Bay | -2.5 | 12 | 3 | 15 | NO | 3 | 0 |
| FourFiveFace | Tampa Bay | 6.5 | 1 | 2 | 3 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| FourFiveFace | Indianapolis | 6 | 5 | 2 | 7 | NO | 0 | 1 |
| FourFiveFace | Cleveland | 6.5 | 6 | 4 | 10 | NO | 2 | 0 |
| FourFiveFace | San Francisco | 13.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | NO | 1 | 1 |
| FourFiveFace | Green Bay | -2.5 | 12 | 3 | 15 | YES | 3 | 0 |
| Genwyzgy | Pittsburgh | OVER 48.5 | 1 | 0 | 1 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| Genwyzgy | Atlanta | OVER 49.5 | 2 | 4 | 6 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| Genwyzgy | Tennessee | 6 | 2 | 3 | 5 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| Genwyzgy | Kansas City | 2.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | NO | 1 | 1 |
| Genwyzgy | San Francisco | 13.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | YES | 1 | 1 |
| GWAE | New Orleans | UNDER 53 | 1 | 1 | 2 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| GWAE | Cincinnatti | 3.5 | 3 | 5 | 8 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| GWAE | Detroit | -6 | 3 | 2 | 5 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| GWAE | Miami | 6.5 | 4 | 4 | 8 | YES | 1 | 0 |
| GWAE | Cleveland | 6.5 | 6 | 4 | 10 | NO | 2 | 0 |
| JML24 | Detroit | -6 | 3 | 2 | 5 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| JML24 | Minnesota | 2.5 | 3 | 12 | 15 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| JML24 | Cleveland | 6.5 | 6 | 4 | 10 | NO | 2 | 0 |
| JML24 | Kansas City | 2.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | NO | 1 | 1 |
| JML24 | San Francisco | 13.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | NO | 1 | 1 |
| JoelDeze | New England | OVER 42 | 1 | 0 | 1 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| JoelDeze | Pittsburgh | -3.5 | 5 | 3 | 8 | YES | 2 | 0 |
| JoelDeze | Dallas | 3 | 7 | 2 | 9 | NO | 0 | 1 |
| JoelDeze | Philadelphia | 3 | 7 | 1 | 8 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| JoelDeze | San Francisco | 13.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | NO | 1 | 1 |
| JohnnyQ | Arizona | UNDER 50 | 2 | 0 | 2 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| JohnnyQ | Minnesota | 2.5 | 3 | 12 | 15 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| JohnnyQ | Atlanta | UNDER 49.5 | 4 | 2 | 6 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| JohnnyQ | Baltimore | -6.5 | 4 | 6 | 10 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| JohnnyQ | San Francisco | 13.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | NO | 1 | 1 |
| JohnZimbo | Baltimore | UNDER 42.5 | 1 | 0 | 1 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| JohnZimbo | NY Giants | -4.5 | 2 | 4 | 6 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| JohnZimbo | Oakland | -4.5 | 5 | 2 | 7 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| JohnZimbo | Kansas City | 2.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | NO | 1 | 1 |
| JohnZimbo | Green Bay | -2.5 | 12 | 3 | 15 | NO | 3 | 0 |
| JW17 | Arizona | -6.5 | 2 | 1 | 3 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| JW17 | Denver | -6 | 2 | 5 | 7 | YES | 1 | 0 |
| JW17 | New England | -6.5 | 4 | 4 | 8 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| JW17 | Kansas City | 2.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | NO | 1 | 1 |
| JW17 | Green Bay | -2.5 | 12 | 3 | 15 | NO | 3 | 0 |
| MidWestAP | Jacksonville | 3 | 3 | 0 | 3 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| MidWestAP | New Orleans | 4.5 | 4 | 2 | 6 | NO | 0 | 1 |
| MidWestAP | Indianapolis | 6 | 5 | 2 | 7 | NO | 0 | 1 |
| MidWestAP | Philadelphia | 3 | 7 | 1 | 8 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| MidWestAP | Green Bay | -2.5 | 12 | 3 | 15 | NO | 3 | 0 |
| Miplet | Cincinnatti | 3.5 | 3 | 5 | 8 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| Miplet | Atlanta | UNDER 49.5 | 4 | 2 | 6 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| Miplet | New Orleans | 4.5 | 4 | 2 | 6 | NO | 0 | 1 |
| Miplet | Cleveland | 6.5 | 6 | 4 | 10 | YES | 2 | 0 |
| Miplet | Kansas City | 2.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | NO | 1 | 1 |
| Mission146 | Atlanta | UNDER 49.5 | 4 | 2 | 6 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| Mission146 | Dallas | 3 | 7 | 2 | 9 | NO | 0 | 1 |
| Mission146 | Kansas City | 2.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | NO | 1 | 1 |
| Mission146 | San Francisco | 13.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | NO | 1 | 1 |
| Mission146 | Green Bay | -2.5 | 12 | 3 | 15 | NO | 3 | 0 |
| OdiousGambit | Atlanta | UNDER 49.5 | 4 | 2 | 6 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| OdiousGambit | Oakland | -4.5 | 5 | 2 | 7 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| OdiousGambit | Seattle | -6.5 | 7 | 2 | 9 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| OdiousGambit | Kansas City | 2.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | NO | 1 | 1 |
| OdiousGambit | Green Bay | -2.5 | 12 | 3 | 15 | NO | 3 | 0 |
| Paradigm | Jacksonville | 3 | 3 | 0 | 3 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| Paradigm | Miami | 6.5 | 4 | 4 | 8 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| Paradigm | Indianapolis | 6 | 5 | 2 | 7 | NO | 0 | 1 |
| Paradigm | Philadelphia | 3 | 7 | 1 | 8 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| Paradigm | Seattle | -6.5 | 7 | 2 | 9 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| PlayYourCardsRight | Chicago | -3 | 1 | 7 | 8 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| PlayYourCardsRight | Houston | -2.5 | 2 | 10 | 12 | YES | 1 | 0 |
| PlayYourCardsRight | Baltimore | -6.5 | 4 | 6 | 10 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| PlayYourCardsRight | Oakland | -4.5 | 5 | 2 | 7 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| PlayYourCardsRight | Seattle | -6.5 | 7 | 2 | 9 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| Rainman | Los Angeles | 6.5 | 2 | 7 | 9 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| Rainman | NY Giants | -4.5 | 2 | 4 | 6 | YES | 1 | 0 |
| Rainman | Dallas | 3 | 7 | 2 | 9 | NO | 0 | 1 |
| Rainman | San Francisco | 13.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | NO | 1 | 1 |
| Rainman | Green Bay | -2.5 | 12 | 3 | 15 | NO | 3 | 0 |
| RDW4POTUS | Atlanta | 4.5 | 2 | 5 | 7 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| RDW4POTUS | Minnesota | 2.5 | 3 | 12 | 15 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| RDW4POTUS | Pittsburgh | -3.5 | 5 | 3 | 8 | NO | 2 | 0 |
| RDW4POTUS | Kansas City | 2.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | NO | 1 | 1 |
| RDW4POTUS | San Francisco | 13.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | NO | 1 | 1 |
| Scottimus1 | Arizona | UNDER 50 | 2 | 0 | 2 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| Scottimus1 | Atlanta | OVER 49.5 | 2 | 4 | 6 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| Scottimus1 | Carolina | -13.5 | 2 | 10 | 12 | YES | 1 | 0 |
| Scottimus1 | Pittsburgh | -3.5 | 5 | 3 | 8 | NO | 2 | 0 |
| Scottimus1 | Green Bay | -2.5 | 12 | 3 | 15 | NO | 3 | 0 |
| SM777 | Kansas City | UNDER 43 | 1 | 1 | 2 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| SM777 | Washington | -3 | 2 | 7 | 9 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| SM777 | Indianapolis | 6 | 5 | 2 | 7 | NO | 0 | 1 |
| SM777 | Seattle | -6.5 | 7 | 2 | 9 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| SM777 | Kansas City | 2.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | YES | 1 | 1 |
| SOOPOO | Atlanta | 4.5 | 2 | 5 | 7 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| SOOPOO | New Orleans | 4.5 | 4 | 2 | 6 | NO | 0 | 1 |
| SOOPOO | Indianapolis | 6 | 5 | 2 | 7 | NO | 0 | 1 |
| SOOPOO | Seattle | -6.5 | 7 | 2 | 9 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| SOOPOO | Green Bay | -2.5 | 12 | 3 | 15 | YES | 3 | 0 |
| Wizard | Tennessee | 6 | 2 | 3 | 5 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| Wizard | Cincinnatti | 3.5 | 3 | 5 | 8 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| Wizard | Miami | 6.5 | 4 | 4 | 8 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| Wizard | Cleveland | 6.5 | 6 | 4 | 10 | YES | 2 | 0 |
| Wizard | Dallas | 3 | 7 | 2 | 9 | NO | 0 | 1 |
| WizardofNothing | Philadelphia | OVER 42.5 | 1 | 0 | 1 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| WizardofNothing | Carolina | -13.5 | 2 | 10 | 12 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| WizardofNothing | Baltimore | -6.5 | 4 | 6 | 10 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| WizardofNothing | Pittsburgh | -3.5 | 5 | 3 | 8 | NO | 2 | 0 |
| WizardofNothing | Philadelphia | 3 | 7 | 1 | 8 | YES | 1 | 0 |
| Wudged | Washington | -3 | 2 | 7 | 9 | YES | 1 | 0 |
| Wudged | New England | -6.5 | 4 | 4 | 8 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| Wudged | New Orleans | 4.5 | 4 | 2 | 6 | NO | 0 | 1 |
| Wudged | Philadelphia | 3 | 7 | 1 | 8 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| Wudged | Green Bay | -2.5 | 12 | 3 | 15 | NO | 3 | 0 |
| Zourah | Detroit | UNDER 47.5 | 1 | 0 | 1 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| Zourah | New England | -6.5 | 4 | 4 | 8 | NO | 0 | 0 |
| Zourah | Philadelphia | 3 | 7 | 1 | 8 | NO | 1 | 0 |
| Zourah | Kansas City | 2.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | NO | 1 | 1 |
| Zourah | San Francisco | 13.5 | 10 | 2 | 12 | NO | 1 | 1 |
Wagered ON = the number of players that are wagering on
Opposition = the number of players that are wagering against
# of Players On = the total number of players that have an interest in the game
If you see a 1 on wagered on and 0 on opposition for players, you can consider that a "unique" entry.
Quote: JoelDezeJust putting an official note out there.
My Pittsburgh is -3.5 - Confidence not +3.5. It's called a typo. I see another person did the same thing as me too.
For discrepancies like this, especially with ATS picks, please note that the team should be the qualifier, not the number. It is very easy to mistakenly misplace a -/+.
I'm just throwing this out here to ensure that my pick shows the correct symbol and so I note my pick before the game is played.
Thank you. My grading spreadsheet does exactly that. It completely ignores the spread entered by the player, if any, and simply uses the spread Mission provides.
Quote: JoelDezeHere are the complete breakdowns:
Games First followed by Players Second:
Team Wager Wagered ON Opposition # of Players ON Confidence For Confidence Against Opposition = the number of players that are wagering against Green Bay -2.5 12 3 15 3 0
# of Players On = the total number of players that have an interest in the game
If you see a 1 on wagered on and 0 on opposition for players, you can consider that a "unique" entry.There's emptiness behind their eyes There's dust in all their hearts They just want to steal us all and take us all apartSeptember 18th, 2016 at 6:46:06 AM permalinkSo what makes the following game so popular to pick ? (Apologies for the weird formatting):
Team Wager Wagered ON Opposition # of Players ON Confidence For Confidence Against Green Bay -2.5 12 3 15 3 0
JoelDeze:
Thanks for putting all that together for us to see, I think that makes it a lot more interesting to follow.There's emptiness behind their eyes There's dust in all their hearts They just want to steal us all and take us all apartSeptember 18th, 2016 at 7:18:07 AM permalinkQuote: JohnnyQSo what makes the following game so popular to pick ? (Apologies for the weird formatting):
Team Wager Wagered ON Opposition # of Players ON Confidence For Confidence Against Green Bay -2.5 12 3 15 3 0
JoelDeze:
Thanks for putting all that together for us to see, I think that makes it a lot more interesting to follow.
I don't know but the current line is 1.5 so there must be a lot of money coming in on it.
Full point move gives a lot of opp to.middle on the game for some folKSExpect the worst and you will never be disappointed. I AM NOT PART OF GWAE RADIO SHOWSeptember 18th, 2016 at 7:31:53 AM permalinkQuote: JoelDezeJust putting an official note out there.
My Pittsburgh is -3.5 - Confidence not +3.5. It's called a typo. I see another person did the same thing as me too.
For discrepancies like this, especially with ATS picks, please note that the team should be the qualifier, not the number. It is very easy to mistakenly misplace a -/+.
I'm just throwing this out here to ensure that my pick shows the correct symbol and so I note my pick before the game is played.
You're good, the team is always the qualifier with Ed's program, I believe. If I'm not mistaken, you could put +132 and it would still score it based on whatever the line in the program is...but I could be wrong.
By the way, thanks for the awesome charts!https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219September 18th, 2016 at 7:42:35 AM permalinkQuote: GWAEQuote: JohnnyQSo what makes the following game so popular to pick ? (Apologies for the weird formatting):
Team Wager Wagered ON Opposition # of Players ON Confidence For Confidence Against Green Bay -2.5 12 3 15 3 0
JoelDeze:
Thanks for putting all that together for us to see, I think that makes it a lot more interesting to follow.
I don't know but the current line is 1.5 so there must be a lot of money coming in on it.
Full point move gives a lot of opp to.middle on the game for some folKS
A full point from 1.5 to 2.5 does not give a viable middle opportunity. Paying the vig on both sides for the only positive payout being an exact two point win by the favorite is not profitable. Different answer if the point is between 2.5 and 3.5.
Green Bay is considered a top5 NFL team. The Vikings are playing a backup QB. Fans (like me....) don't fear the home field as much as they should. That all being said, I would have made the Packers a 3 point favorite.September 18th, 2016 at 8:03:18 AM permalinkQuote: SOOPOOQuote: GWAEQuote: JohnnyQSo what makes the following game so popular to pick ? (Apologies for the weird formatting):
Team Wager Wagered ON Opposition # of Players ON Confidence For Confidence Against Green Bay -2.5 12 3 15 3 0
JoelDeze:
Thanks for putting all that together for us to see, I think that makes it a lot more interesting to follow.
I don't know but the current line is 1.5 so there must be a lot of money coming in on it.
Full point move gives a lot of opp to.middle on the game for some folKS
A full point from 1.5 to 2.5 does not give a viable middle opportunity. Paying the vig on both sides for the only positive payout being an exact two point win by the favorite is not profitable. Different answer if the point is between 2.5 and 3.5.
Green Bay is considered a top5 NFL team. The Vikings are playing a backup QB. Fans (like me....) don't fear the home field as much as they should. That all being said, I would have made the Packers a 3 point favorite.
This is my favorite game of the year. Vikings are my team. But I just couldn't take them with Bridgewater out . Defense won it for them last week but they won't score 2 defense td's against GB.
That said, it wouldn't break my heart to lose that pick. Go Vikes!If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.September 18th, 2016 at 11:47:38 AM permalinkYep last time I go against NE.
Amy chance they pull a bleadsoe (I think that's who it was)with Brady?Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed. I AM NOT PART OF GWAE RADIO SHOWSeptember 18th, 2016 at 12:45:45 PM permalinkQuote: Mission146
You're good, the team is always the qualifier with Ed's program, I believe. If I'm not mistaken, you could put +132 and it would still score it based on whatever the line in the program is...but I could be wrong.
As I mentioned above, you are not wrong. The spread entered by the player is ignored.September 18th, 2016 at 2:18:35 PM permalinkOn track for my 3 season average of 30%
1-5 todayExpect the worst and you will never be disappointed. I AM NOT PART OF GWAE RADIO SHOWSeptember 18th, 2016 at 3:19:33 PM permalinkDamm it, you were supposed to privately send me your picks with plenty of time to get down . I definitely would've bet the other side.Quote: GWAEOn track for my 3 season average of 30%
1-5 today♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪September 18th, 2016 at 3:27:11 PM permalinkQuote: AxelWolfDamm it, you were supposed to privately send me your picks with plenty of time to get down . I definitely would've bet the other side.
It is amazing how bad I am. I just don't understand it. I thought for sure Miami would be under 6.5 maybe even win the game. They flash the scores on the big scoreboard and boom 14-0 in first quarter.
My only win was the Browns at +6.5. They were up 20-5 or something like that and end up losing 25-20. They almost made me an oferExpect the worst and you will never be disappointed. I AM NOT PART OF GWAE RADIO SHOWSeptember 18th, 2016 at 4:05:42 PM permalinkI'm 4-1 so far this week, having won my confidence. Still have one more game to go on Monday night. The 49ers came back to cover late and then blew it, allowing 13 unanswered points to Scam Newton and the Black Panther party. I was really hoping to go 6-0. Oh well... Now I can hope to go 5-1. I hate Monday Night games. I'm also happy that I'm 2-0 on confidence picks over the last two weeks. The early weeks are the toughest weeks. So, for anyone that is down, it's difficult to project games with a small data set.“It’s a dog eat dog world out there and I’m wearing milkbone underwear .” – Norm PetersonSeptember 19th, 2016 at 6:02:07 AM permalinkQuote: GWAEIt is amazing how bad I am
Oh no you don't! You can't claim the "you suck" money when I have dibs on it! 0-5 this week. The Seahawks can't score against the Rams? WTH is up with that?
Of course, gwae, you know what is going to happen if we try to win the "you suck"? We both win all 5 games the last week by accident and some dude swoops in to claim it!the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold SnyderSeptember 19th, 2016 at 6:46:07 AM permalinkQuote: odiousgambitOh no you don't! You can't claim the "you suck" money when I have dibs on it! 0-5 this week. The Seahawks can't score against the Rams? WTH is up with that?
Of course, gwae, you know what is going to happen if we try to win the "you suck"? We both win all 5 games the last week by accident and some dude swoops in to claim it!
Haha that's exactly what will happen. Maybe next week I will make my picks then do the opposite. I am going to try that strategy and see what happens.Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed. I AM NOT PART OF GWAE RADIO SHOWSeptember 19th, 2016 at 7:50:41 AM permalinkQuote: GWAE
My only win was the Browns at +6.5. They were up 20-5 or something like that and end up losing 25-20. They almost made me an ofer
They were up 20-0 and lost 25-20.At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.September 19th, 2016 at 8:24:30 AM permalinkNO!!! It doesn't work like that, because you already know in advance you'll be doing that, you'll then subconsciously pick totally different than you normally would.Quote: GWAEHaha that's exactly what will happen. Maybe next week I will make my picks then do the opposite. I am going to try that strategy and see what happens.
I have a feeling you're self sabotaging yourself or something, perhaps you're actually a super good handicapper, however you actually pick the opposite by always second guessing yourself and always going the opposite of what you know to be the best plays.
I have seen guys with winning records until they start betting money on it.
Or it's all just random dumb luck.♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪September 19th, 2016 at 8:35:01 AM permalinkQuote: AxelWolfNO!!! It doesn't work like that, because you already know in advance you'll be doing that, you'll then subconsciously pick totally different than you normally would.
I have a feeling you're self sabotaging yourself or something, perhaps you're actually a super good handicapper, however you actually pick the opposite by always second guessing yourself and always going the opposite of what you know to be the best plays.
I have seen guys with winning records until they start betting money on it.
Or it's all just random dumb luck.
I wish that were the case. I really felt strongly about NE losing this week. I also thought cincy might upset the steelers. Owell I will just keep making my picks as I see them and maybe at some point they will turn around.Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed. I AM NOT PART OF GWAE RADIO SHOWSeptember 19th, 2016 at 9:03:34 AM permalinkQuote: GWAEI wish that were the case. I really felt strongly about NE losing this week. I also thought cincy might upset the steelers. Owell I will just keep making my picks as I see them and maybe at some point they will turn around.
New England was an LPR 10 and had a 72.73% chance to win the game outright. In terms of offensive vs. defensive strength DIFF, the following was true:
New England (110.3 vs. 93.9) OR (+17.4 DIFF advantage in momentum)
Miami (25.4 vs. 62.7) OR (-37.3 DIFF disadvantage in momentum)
The points projection based on risk trends had the Patriots winning 25-21 but the home team gets +3 points so realistically they should have won 28-21 (-7 DIFF). They won 31-24 (-7 DIFF).
New England had a 90% win probability just with PERD (Pass Efficiency Rating Difference).
The Patriots are 105.24 on offense and 102.534 on defense for a PERD of 2.7061.
The Dolphins are 69.6121 on offense and 75.7267 on defense for a PERD Of -6.1147.
However, the RISK on the ATS in favor of New England was 35% and that was too much for me to take. Also, I live here and work less than 2 miles from the stadium and I know how raucous the home environment is.
Early season tends to favor offense and because of the score projection I took the OVER, which worked well.“It’s a dog eat dog world out there and I’m wearing milkbone underwear .” – Norm PetersonSeptember 19th, 2016 at 8:45:11 PM permalinkUnofficial Results for Week 2
Mission146 (1-4)
Chiefs +2.5 (loss)
Dallas +3 (win)
San Francisco +13.5 (loss)
Falcons UNDER 49.5 (loss)
Packers -2.5 (loss)
BeachBumBabs (2-4)
Chiefs OVER 43 (loss)
Vikings Under 43.5 (win)
Packers -2.5 Confidence (loss)
Ravens -6.5 (loss)
Cardinals -6.5 (win)
Zourah (3-2)
Chiefs +2.5 (loss)
49ers +13.5 (loss)
Patriots -6.5 (win)
Eagles +3 (win)
Lions UNDER 47.5 (win)
JohnnyQ (2-3)
Ravens (-6.5) (loss)
49ers (+13.5) (loss)
Buccaneers UNDER 50 (win)
Falcons UNDER 49.5 (loss)
Vikings (+2.5) (win)
JoelDeze (5-1)
Eagles +3 (win)
Cowboys +3 (win)
Patriots OVER 42 (win)
49ers +13.5 (loss)
Steelers -3.5 - CONFIDENCE (win)
JW17 (4-2)
Broncos -6 CONFIDENCE (win)
Patriots -6.5 (win)
Cardinals -6.5 (win)
Packers -2.5 (loss)
Chiefs +2.5 (loss)
JML24 (2-3)
Lions -6 (loss)
Chiefs +2.5 (loss)
Browns +6.5 (win)
49ers +13.5 (loss)
Vikings +2.5 (win)
Paradigm (1-4)
Eagles +3 (win)
Seahawks -6.5 (loss)
Colts +6 (loss)
Dolphins +6.5 (loss)
Jaguars +3 (loss)
EdCollins (1-4)
Lions -6 (loss)
Dolphins +6.5 (loss)
Cowboys +3 (win)
Raiders -4.5 (loss)
Packers -2.5 (loss)
SOOPOO (2-4)
Packers -2.5 (confidence) (loss)
Falcons +4.5 (win)
Colts +6 (loss)
Seahawks -6.5 (loss)
Saints +4.5 (win)
SM777 (1-5)
Chiefs +2.5 CONFIDENCE (loss)
Seahawks -6.5 (loss)
Chiefs UNDER 43 (win)
Redskins -3 (loss)
Colts +6 (loss)
Genwyzgy (2-4)
Titans +6 (win)
Chiefs +2.5 (loss)
Steelers OVER 48.5 (loss)
49ers +13.5 Confidence (loss)
Raiders OVER 49.5 (win)
WizardofNothing (5-1)
Panthers (win)
Steelers (win)
Ravens (loss)
Eagles - confidence (win)
Eagles over (win)
GWAE (2-4)
Lions -6 (loss)
Dolphins +6.5 confidence (loss)
Browns +6.5 (win)
Bengals +3.5 (loss)
Saints U 53 (win)
FourFiveFace (1-5)
Browns +6.5 (win)
49ers +13.5 (loss)
Buccaneers +6.5 (loss)
Colts +6 (loss)
Packers -2.5-Confidence (loss)
Wudged (3-3)
Redskins -3 - Confidence (loss)
Packers -2.5 (loss)
Eagles +3 (win)
Saints +4.5 (win)
Patriots -6.5 (win)
10DollarBri (5-0)
Texans -2.5 (win)
Browns +6.5 (win)
Cowboys +3 (win)
Rams +6.5 (win)
Broncos -6 (win)
Scottimus1 (5-1)
Steelers -3.5 (win)
Bucs/Cards under 50 (win)
Packers -2.5 (loss)
Falcons/Raiders over 49.5 (win)
Panthers -13.5 - Confidence (win)
JohnZimbo (0-5)
Packers -2.5 (loss)
Ravens under 42.5 (loss)
Chiefs +2.5 (loss)
Giants -4.5 (loss)
Raiders -4.5 (loss)
PlayYourCardsRight (2-4)
Ravens -6.5 (loss)
Seahawks- 6.5 (loss)
Raiders -4.5 (loss)
Bears -3 (loss)
Texans -2.5 CONFIDENCE (win)
MidWestAP (2-3)
Saints +4.5 (win)
Colts +6 (loss)
Jaguars +3 (loss)
Packers -2.5 (loss)
Eagles +3 (win)
OdiousGambit (0-5)
Chiefs +2.5 (loss)
Packers -2.5 (loss)
Raiders -4.5 (loss)
Seahawks -6.5 (loss)
Raiders UNDER 49.5 (loss)
Aluisio (3-3)
49ers +13.5 (loss)
Steelers -3.5 (confidence) (win)
Eagles +3 (win)
Seahawks -6.5 (loss)
Jaguars +3 (loss)
RDW4POTUS (3-2)
Chiefs +2.5 (loss)
49ers +13.5 (loss)
Falcons +4.5 (win)
Vikings +2.5 (win)
Steelers -3.5 (win)
Rainman (2-4)
Giants -4.5 confidence (loss)
Dallas +3 (win)
Rams +6.5 (win)
Packers -2.5 (loss)
49ers +13.5 (loss)
Miplet (3-3)
Chiefs +2.5 (loss)
Browns +6.5-confidence (win)
Bengals +3.5 (loss)
Saints +4.5 (win)
Raiders UNDER 49.5 (loss)
AyeCarumba (2-4)
Raiders -4.5 (loss)
Seahawks -6.5 Confidence (loss)
Saints OVER 53 (loss)
Patriots -6.5 (win)
Cowboys +3 (win)
Wizard (4-2)
Titans +6 (win)
Dolphins +6.5 (loss)
Browns +6.5-CONFIDENCE (win)
Bengals +3.5 (loss)
Cowboys +3 (win)
Name Wins Losses % Terapined 5 0 100.00% 10DollarBri 8 2 80.00% Scottimus1 9 3 75.00% JoelDeze 8 3 72.73% Wizard 8 4 66.67% WizardofNothing 7 5 58.33% Aluisio 3 3 50.00% JohnnyQ 5 5 50.00% JW17 6 6 50.00% Miplet 6 6 50.00% Mission146 5 5 50.00% RDW4POTUS 5 5 50.00% SOOPOO 6 6 50.00% TheoHuxtable 3 3 50.00% AyeCarumba 5 6 45.45% JohnZimbo 5 6 45.45% PlayYourCardsRight 5 6 45.45% FourFiveFace 5 7 41.67% GWAE 5 7 41.67% EdCollins 4 6 40.00% JML24 4 6 40.00% MidwestAP 4 6 40.00% Paradigm 4 6 40.00% Zourah 4 6 40.00% GenWyzgy 4 7 36.36% SM777 3 8 27.27% Wudged 3 8 27.27% BeachBumBabs 3 9 25.00% Rainman 3 9 25.00% OdiousGambit 2 8 20.00% Totals 147 167 46.82%
Record of Skipped Weeks:
Aluisio: Week 1
Terapined: Week 2
TheoHuxtable: Week 2September 20th, 2016 at 3:35:35 AM permalinkBoy we sucked as a groupExpect the worst and you will never be disappointed. I AM NOT PART OF GWAE RADIO SHOWSeptember 20th, 2016 at 9:20:24 AM permalinkMy god, we suck.
Congrats to 10dollarbri, though.
I had the Vikings written as my confidence pick, said, oh, just being sentimental and changed it. Oops. Hurt me less than watching Rodgers throw up all over himself in front of millions, though. What an awful game for him.If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.September 20th, 2016 at 9:31:39 AM permalinkQuote: GWAEOn track for my 3 season average of 30%
1-5 today
According to the unofficial results, you went 2-4. Christmas in September!September 20th, 2016 at 12:10:59 PM permalinkQuote: MidwestAPAccording to the unofficial results, you went 2-4. Christmas in September!
lmao, I just looked at my message to mission. I accidentally put - on the NOLA game instead of +
Yay for stupidness.Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed. I AM NOT PART OF GWAE RADIO SHOWSeptember 20th, 2016 at 4:28:39 PM permalinkI was wondering if Mission and all the other players would allow this
I missed week 2 and it was my fault because I simply forgot
I want to make sure I don't miss another week and get disqualified.
I was interested in sending picks in Thur evening or Friday morning real quick
Then really studying Sat nite and send in another set of picks Sat nite voiding the earlier picks
That way if I forget Sat nite , my picks Thur or Fri will count
Is this ok?
I don't think I have any type of advantage doing this but other players or Mission may feel this should not be allowed
Thoughts?
Can I do this Mission?When somebody doesn't believe me, I could care less. Some get totally bent out of shape when not believed. Weird. I believe very little on all forumsSeptember 20th, 2016 at 4:32:16 PM permalinkQuote: beachbumbabsMy god, we suck.
Congrats to 10dollarbri, though.
Thanks! Don't worry my suck picks begin next week I promise.I know nothing!September 20th, 2016 at 4:51:50 PM permalinkQuote: terapinedI was wondering if Mission and all the other players would allow this
I missed week 2 and it was my fault because I simply forgot
I want to make sure I don't miss another week and get disqualified.
I was interested in sending picks in Thur evening or Friday morning real quick
Then really studying Sat nite and send in another set of picks Sat nite voiding the earlier picks
That way if I forget Sat nite , my picks Thur or Fri will count
Is this ok?
I don't think I have any type of advantage doing this but other players or Mission may feel this should not be allowed
Thoughts?
Can I do this Mission?
No, there is no advantage to doing this... and I personally don't have a problem with it at all.
However, if Mission allows you to do this, he'd have to give everyone else this option too. So now he potentially is opening twice as many e-mails each week. (In theory). And he'd always have to make sure to use the second set of picks for anyone that entered twice, and not post the first set of picks.
Mission is doing enough work as it is. This can't be ideal for him. Let's not have him do this. There's got to be a better way to remind yourself to get them in on time.September 20th, 2016 at 4:55:45 PM permalinkQuote: terapinedI was wondering if Mission and all the other players would allow this
I missed week 2 and it was my fault because I simply forgot
I want to make sure I don't miss another week and get disqualified.
I was interested in sending picks in Thur evening or Friday morning real quick
Then really studying Sat nite and send in another set of picks Sat nite voiding the earlier picks
That way if I forget Sat nite , my picks Thur or Fri will count
Is this ok?
I don't think I have any type of advantage doing this but other players or Mission may feel this should not be allowed
Thoughts?
Can I do this Mission?
I'll let Mission provide an official answer, but don't see an issue with this. I recall one year where Wizard had default picks set up in case he forgot or was unable to submit. I think he had instructed Mission to give him the largest underdogs in this situation.September 20th, 2016 at 5:11:21 PM permalinkQuote: MidwestAPI'll let Mission provide an official answer, but don't see an issue with this. I recall one year where Wizard had default picks set up in case he forgot or was unable to submit. I think he had instructed Mission to give him the largest underdogs in this situation.
Mission doesn't open any picks until after he's sent his to me on Sat. evening to leave a trail of proof he isn't taking advantage of other people's picks in making his own. He then opens them all. (I don't open his at all, in order to preserve the sent time stamp.)
Perhaps if the subject line on the default picks said "default picks for week x" he could skip that one for anyone who sent one, and come back to it if there wasn't a more recent pm from that person. If they sent a second pick, us that and trash the default pm, if not, use the default pm. Most of us wouldn't use it, but all of us could be in a situation at some point where it would be desirable, over a season.
Not speaking for him, but I think that would be a minor workload issue done that way.If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.September 20th, 2016 at 5:51:26 PM permalinkIt's up to Mission, but it also seems to me to be un-necessarily confusing, especially if everyone did it. I don't care either way, just don't want to see poor M146 overloaded, juggling a job, kid(s) - I think, and a g/f.Quote: EdCollins
However, if Mission allows you to do this, he'd have to give everyone else this option too. So now he potentially is opening twice as many e-mails each week. (In theory). And he'd always have to make sure to use the second set of picks for anyone that entered twice, and not post the first set of picks.
Mission is doing enough work as it is. This can't be ideal for him. Let's not have him do this. There's got to be a better way to remind yourself to get them in on time.There's emptiness behind their eyes There's dust in all their hearts They just want to steal us all and take us all apartSeptember 20th, 2016 at 6:15:14 PM permalinkI'm actually hoping terapined forgets a second time and gets DQ'd....hehe no, really... he's got a perfect record so far...
Actually, I do recall the Wizard having a default set of picks, but that was a set of general instructions that would apply each week, not a weekly email voiding the first set of picks, and replacing them with another. If this were the Westgate's Super Contest, would they let you change your picks after you submitted them?
On the other hand, I think that Mission mentioned in previous games that he would allow a late change in the case of an extreme situation, like a weather cancellation or an injury to a key player, but that should be confirmed as the past practice.Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da VinciSeptember 20th, 2016 at 6:25:12 PM permalink6 > 50.0 %Quote: GWAEBoy we sucked as a group
8 at 50.0 %
16 < 50.0 %
Over time, will there be a more "normal" distribution centered on 50.0 % ?There's emptiness behind their eyes There's dust in all their hearts They just want to steal us all and take us all apartSeptember 21st, 2016 at 4:43:10 AM permalinkI have a alarm on my phone now to remind me not to forget Sat nite
I can live with that :-)When somebody doesn't believe me, I could care less. Some get totally bent out of shape when not believed. Weird. I believe very little on all forumsSeptember 22nd, 2016 at 12:03:31 PM permalinkIf rioting causes the Panther's game to be rescheduled, would picks associated with that game also be postponed?Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da VinciSeptember 22nd, 2016 at 12:08:06 PM permalinkI don't think we should be accepting two sets of picks- if you can't remember then that's on youNo longer hiring, don’t ask because I won’t hire you eitherSeptember 22nd, 2016 at 1:34:01 PM permalinkQuote: WizardofnothingI don't think we should be accepting two sets of picks- if you can't remember then that's on you
Fair enough
Got a reminder on my phone now :-)When somebody doesn't believe me, I could care less. Some get totally bent out of shape when not believed. Weird. I believe very little on all forumsSeptember 22nd, 2016 at 1:38:52 PM permalinkQuote: WizardofnothingI don't think we should be accepting two sets of picks- if you can't remember then that's on you
I feel that if it is moved to a different city or a different week then it should be either no game or you can change your pick.Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed. I AM NOT PART OF GWAE RADIO SHOWSeptember 22nd, 2016 at 3:17:55 PM permalinkGood job!!!! Extremely well through out 👍No longer hiring, don’t ask because I won’t hire you eitherSeptember 22nd, 2016 at 5:26:29 PM permalinkQuote: terapinedI was wondering if Mission and all the other players would allow this
I missed week 2 and it was my fault because I simply forgot
I want to make sure I don't miss another week and get disqualified.
I was interested in sending picks in Thur evening or Friday morning real quick
Then really studying Sat nite and send in another set of picks Sat nite voiding the earlier picks
That way if I forget Sat nite , my picks Thur or Fri will count
Is this ok?
I don't think I have any type of advantage doing this but other players or Mission may feel this should not be allowed
Thoughts?
Can I do this Mission?
Absolutely, Picks can be modified anytime and the most recent Picks sent count. I would ask that it doesn't get ridiculous with five or six different sets, or anything, but I get two or three from the same person somewhat frequently.https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219September 22nd, 2016 at 5:28:58 PM permalinkQuote: EdCollinsNo, there is no advantage to doing this... and I personally don't have a problem with it at all.
However, if Mission allows you to do this, he'd have to give everyone else this option too. So now he potentially is opening twice as many e-mails each week. (In theory). And he'd always have to make sure to use the second set of picks for anyone that entered twice, and not post the first set of picks.
Mission is doing enough work as it is. This can't be ideal for him. Let's not have him do this. There's got to be a better way to remind yourself to get them in on time.
This has actually always been allowed, it just didn't seem like something that needed to be in the Official Rules. The Picks aren't the Picks, strictly speaking, until they have been posted. There are also PM's to back up changes to Picks, so if I accidentally post a set of Picks sent prior, then there is no problem because they can be modified later.
Like I said, the only thing I really ask is that I don't get several sets of Picks. And, of course, that any PM's containing Picks of any kind make such clear in the Subject line so I don't accidentally see Picks before making my own.https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219September 22nd, 2016 at 5:30:46 PM permalinkQuote: MidwestAPI'll let Mission provide an official answer, but don't see an issue with this. I recall one year where Wizard had default picks set up in case he forgot or was unable to submit. I think he had instructed Mission to give him the largest underdogs in this situation.
Something like that, and in fact, he has a default strategy set up again this year. Anyone may have a default strategy so long as it is memorialized in a PM.https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219September 22nd, 2016 at 5:32:28 PM permalinkQuote: JohnnyQ
Mission is doing enough work as it is. This can't be ideal for him. Let's not have him do this. There's got to be a better way to remind yourself to get them in on time.Quote:It's up to Mission, but it also seems to me to be un-necessarily confusing, especially if everyone did it. I don't care either way, just don't want to see poor M146 overloaded, juggling a job, kid(s) - I think, and a g/f.
Thanks for thinking of me, and yes, two kids and a gf are both correct. However, it really isn't THAT much extra time. If I start getting three or four corrections a week from people I'll say, "This is getting to be a bit much," but that's about it.https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219September 22nd, 2016 at 5:34:33 PM permalinkQuote: Ayecarumba
On the other hand, I think that Mission mentioned in previous games that he would allow a late change in the case of an extreme situation, like a weather cancellation or an injury to a key player, but that should be confirmed as the past practice.
It never had to be extreme, people correct one game (for example) somewhat often. Usually it's because they picked OVER when they actually meant UNDER, or something like that. It really doesn't matter to me what the reason is, the practice has never been illegal and the most recent PM is always the Picks that are used.https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219September 22nd, 2016 at 5:35:52 PM permalinkQuote: AyecarumbaIf rioting causes the Panther's game to be rescheduled, would picks associated with that game also be postponed?
No Decision.
I mean, I'm making a decision, but the game would be scored a No Decision. Just like when someone has a team -3 and that's exactly their margin of victory.https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219September 22nd, 2016 at 5:45:33 PM permalink4-1 followed by 1-4.
I didn't want to regress to the mean THAT fast!
I won't have to worry about it this week, though. Barring catastrophe, I see four lines that I really like this week, so my best possible result is probably to repeat 1-4. I'll win on the pick I don't like as much.https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219September 22nd, 2016 at 7:51:03 PM permalinkQuote: Mission1464-1 followed by 1-4.
I didn't want to regress to the mean THAT fast!
I won't have to worry about it this week, though. Barring catastrophe, I see four lines that I really like this week, so my best possible result is probably to repeat 1-4. I'll win on the pick I don't like as much.
Hehe... I had that feeling when I picked the Seahawks to cover last week. "Confidence" is the iceberg to my Titanic picks.
Thanks again for hosting this Mission, and your willingness to endure last minute changes.Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da VinciRecommended online casinos
