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September 8th, 2015 at 2:59:46 AM permalink
What's your take on how this might effect betting or the spread or the total? I think a Wong teaser where you move the line off of a 3 or 7 used to be a comparatively good deal because you didn't have to lose extra % points as you did if you bought points will no longer be such a good deal.
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September 8th, 2015 at 5:24:54 AM permalink
We'll have to see. Makes it real hairy for the 2 pt conversion, as your are telegraphing your punch to your opponent

this is the rule in full btw,

Quote: link

The line of scrimmage for extra points was moved from the 2-yard line to the 15, making it a 33-yard kick. Two-point conversion plays remain an option from the 2-yard line. Both plays are now "live," meaning either team can scoop a loose ball and record a two-point score by carrying it into its respective end zone.



http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/174752/inside-slant-everything-you-want-to-know-and-then-some-about-the-nfls-new-pat-rule
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September 8th, 2015 at 5:49:32 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

We'll have to see. Makes it real hairy for the 2 pt conversion, as your are telegraphing your punch to your opponent

this is the rule in full btw,



http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/174752/inside-slant-everything-you-want-to-know-and-then-some-about-the-nfls-new-pat-rule



Why does that indicate the safety is only "one point"?
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September 8th, 2015 at 7:15:27 AM permalink
Wait a sec...
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Two-point conversion plays remain an option from the 2-yard line.

This means you have to declare your intentions first? No more sneak 2 pointers? That's, literally, a game changer.
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September 8th, 2015 at 7:17:14 AM permalink
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Wait a sec...This means you have to declare your intentions first? No more sneak 2 pointers? That's, literally, a game changer.



Can you still 2pt from the 15, fake kick style?
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September 8th, 2015 at 7:23:02 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Wait a sec...This means you have to declare your intentions first? No more sneak 2 pointers? That's, literally, a game changer.



oh that sucks.. I like seeing trick plays.

so why the change from the 2yd line to 15 for the extra point?
it's been the 2yd line for like forever.
they want more 2pt tries to keep the audience interested?
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September 8th, 2015 at 9:56:34 AM permalink
Quote: NokTang

Why does that indicate the safety is only "one point"?



There is a one point safety for extra points. It is hard to have happen; something like:

Team A passes
Team B intercepts in end zone and runs out
Team B runs back in end zone and is tackled

One point safety

If Team B didn't run out and back in, it would be a touch back and dead play. Team B could intercept in the field of play and run back in also (I believe)...but how many people are going to do either one of those things?
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September 8th, 2015 at 10:11:10 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

There is a one point safety for extra points.



There was a question on this in a WoV trivia challenge recently. My claim that it is possible was hotly debated so thank you for helping to explain there is such a think as a one-point safety in the NFL.
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September 8th, 2015 at 10:13:44 AM permalink
I'm going to have to watch this 'play out' (intended pun) in a few games to understand it.
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September 8th, 2015 at 11:17:22 AM permalink
If I recall, the reason for the change was that the PAT had a success rate of over 98%, pretty much a cut & dried play, almost a no-brainer. The NFL wanted to make the game more exciting for the fans. Moving the line of scrimmage back to the 15 yard line and treating it like a true field goal will certainly make it more exciting.



According to this graph, at 25 yards and closer kickers still make over 90% of their kicks. So, it's pretty close to automatic, but not a 'gimme.'
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September 8th, 2015 at 12:18:34 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

There is a one point safety for extra points. It is hard to have happen; something like:

Team A passes
Team B intercepts in end zone and runs out
Team B runs back in end zone and is tackled

One point safety


You don't have to intercept/recover the ball in the end zone now. Since the defense can now score on a try, they can intercept on, say, their own 1, then run it back into their own end zone and get tackled.

I expect there to be at least one "pick-two" (interception run back for 2 points) this season.
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September 8th, 2015 at 2:32:44 PM permalink
Quote: theoriemeister

If I recall, the reason for the change was that the PAT had a success rate of over 98%, pretty much a cut & dried play, almost a no-brainer. The NFL wanted to make the game more exciting for the fans. Moving the line of scrimmage back to the 15 yard line and treating it like a true field goal will certainly make it more exciting.



According to this graph, at 25 yards and closer kickers still make over 90% of their kicks. So, it's pretty close to automatic, but not a 'gimme.'



The kick will actually be 32 or 33 yards. 15 yard line, goal post 10 yards deep, plus 7 or 8 yards for the snap/placement.


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September 8th, 2015 at 2:37:33 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

You don't have to intercept/recover the ball in the end zone now. Since the defense can now score on a try, they can intercept on, say, their own 1, then run it back into their own end zone and get tackled.

I expect there to be at least one "pick-two" (interception run back for 2 points) this season.



Right...that is the way I read it...and why I said this:

Team B could intercept in the field of play and run back in also (I believe)...but how many people are going to do either one of those things?

I'm hoping to see a "pick two"...
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