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January 8th, 2015 at 12:16:13 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I don't know if there's a politically correct enough way for the sportsbooks to do that. I would say that either a nipple or an orifice we wouldn't normally see would have to make an appearance.



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January 8th, 2015 at 2:17:24 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

1.) Tackling is instinctive.
2.) The tackle could force a fumble, and a recovery could enable the team to WIN if they score.
3.) If you do not allow the TD and get the ball back, a Field Goal WINS the game rather than needing a TD + 2PT Conversion to tie.
4.) An offensive player on his toes would know NOT to score, and would kneel, slide or run out of bounds.
5.) An offensive player REALLY playing on his toes and cognizant of what the defense was doing would just parade around more-or-less laterally and burn clock.



Bolden should be smart enough to step out on his own, even without being pushed. Might have done it inside the five.



1. So is running into the End Zone.
2. This is the only possible legitimate argument, but I would say the odds of scoring 8 to tie vs. the odds of stripping the ball favors letting them score. It's also possible to go all in for the strip without tackling.
3. You WILL NOT get the ball back with no timeouts and less than 2 minutes. Every coach since the Herm Edwards play in '78 will instruct the offense to take a knee 3x. (As Brady did in the most recent example)
4. The Eagles did this, but again, scoring is instinctive unless they were coached to take a knee after the 1st. I have seen "my way" work enough to know they are not coached to take a knee in the middle of the play usually.
5. Again, the offensive player wants that TD. Unless coached to do otherwise, he won't dance around. And again, then you can go all in for the strip without tackling.
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January 8th, 2015 at 3:11:31 PM permalink
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Pardon me for stretching this thread tangent out slightly further, but there was a high school state tournament game a few years back where a heavy underdog led by 7 with (I think) about 5 seconds remaining and fourth down near midfield; the QB took the snap, ran into his own end zone - and, thinking that it was a safety and his team had won, tossed the ball into the air, where an opponent caught it for a touchdown; the favorites ended up winning in OT.



Too bad that didn't happen in a super bowl game.
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January 8th, 2015 at 3:39:08 PM permalink
Quote: sc15

Too bad that didn't happen in a super bowl game.


If that happened in ANY NFL game, let alone the Super Bowl, that player would be the biggest laughingstock in the country.
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January 8th, 2015 at 5:08:22 PM permalink
Quote: cclub79

1. So is running into the End Zone.



True.

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2. This is the only possible legitimate argument, but I would say the odds of scoring 8 to tie vs. the odds of stripping the ball favors letting them score. It's also possible to go all in for the strip without tackling.



It's not the only legitimate argument given proper coaching on #'s 4 & 5. I would think the offensive players would be coached in such a way, we covered it in High School ball...can't say that every player on our team would have remembered...but we got a reminder during the post-practice speech every practice after a close game, whether the situation had actually come up or not.

I agree that the best play is to try to strip it without tackling, at least until the guy goes down, but you originally said, "YOU LET THEM SCORE," without qualification, which is not what you want to do.

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3. You WILL NOT get the ball back with no timeouts and less than 2 minutes. Every coach since the Herm Edwards play in '78 will instruct the offense to take a knee 3x. (As Brady did in the most recent example)



I didn't say you would, I meant getting the ball back via fumble, then you'd only need a FG to win. That's why it's better than letting them score.


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4. The Eagles did this, but again, scoring is instinctive unless they were coached to take a knee after the 1st. I have seen "my way" work enough to know they are not coached to take a knee in the middle of the play usually.
5. Again, the offensive player wants that TD. Unless coached to do otherwise, he won't dance around. And again, then you can go all in for the strip without tackling.



They should be coached to do either that or run out of bounds if there are less than two on the clock and the opponent has no time outs. There are a great many things that separate a professional athlete from an amateur, and awareness needs to be one of them.
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January 8th, 2015 at 5:23:32 PM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

This reminds me of the one-point safety rule in College Football. If the kicking team, for whatever reason, retreats 90 yards in the wrong direction and then downs the ball in their own end zone, it's 1 point for the defense. It's the only way a score of "1" can be achieved.



A one-point safety is also possible in the NFL. Source: In Praise of the One-Point Safety -- WSJ.
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January 8th, 2015 at 5:37:38 PM permalink
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A one-point safety is also possible in the NFL. Source: In Praise of the One-Point Safety -- WSJ.



Yes, scored against the team defending the 'Try'. The defence can never score on a Try (see http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/14_2013_Scoring.pdf).

Try = Conversion after a touchdown. Confusingly, a Try in rugby is when you touch down the ball at the end of the field...
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January 8th, 2015 at 6:10:41 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

A one-point safety is also possible in the NFL. Source: In Praise of the One-Point Safety -- WSJ.



Interesting, but since it is only possible on an extra point attempt after a touchdown, A final score could never be 1-0. Would this count as a "safety" for the purposes of the traditional wager?
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January 8th, 2015 at 6:47:32 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Interesting, but since it is only possible on an extra point attempt after a touchdown, A final score could never be 1-0. Would this count as a "safety" for the purposes of the traditional wager?


In college, it can - a forfeited game is "officially" 1-0 unless the forfeiting team was behind at the time. (In the NFL, it is 2-0, although the rules say that the points are not included for point-based tiebreakers when determining postseason positions.)

As for safety/no-safety wagers, just because the game ended 2-0 doesn't mean that there was a safety involved, any more than a 6-0 game means that two field goals were kicked. Besides - if the game is forfeited, wouldn't the casinos declare "no action" on all bets on that game?

I remember one season where the TV announcers were discussing whether or not one team would forfeit the game, because a 1-0 loss (which was the rule in the NFL at the time) would get them into the playoffs whereas losing by a certain margin would keep them out because of a point differential tiebreaker. IIRC, they played the game and did end up in the postseason anyway.
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January 9th, 2015 at 6:05:04 AM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Interesting, but since it is only possible on an extra point attempt after a touchdown, A final score could never be 1-0. Would this count as a "safety" for the purposes of the traditional wager?



I think for purposes of the "will there be a safety?" bet, it would count. As you noted, the one-point safety could not be possible for a prop on the first score of the game, which is a common one.
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