How far will Wichita St go in the NCAA Tournament?
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I'm a big believer in you can only play the schedule given to you, and you get to prove yourself in March. George Mason proved in 2006 that this type of team can indeed be for real, as did Butler a few times.
Chances are Wichita will get a #1 seed, a #2 at worst, assuming they win the remainder of there reg season games and their conference tournament.
Of course Vegas does not always agree with the tournament committee. According to former Ceasars oddsmaker Todd Fuhrman, Wichita St right now would be an underdog to TWELVE other teams in a game played on a neutral floor, meaning they could be an underdog in the Sweet Sixteen round vs say the #4 seed.
Note: I know the NCAA idiotically refers to those Tuesday play in games to get into the field of 64 as the "First Round"... But I refuse to for this poll.
It is too hard to finish undefeated,especially against all the talent they will face in the tourney.
But,good luck to them
-With strong schedules are UNC (20-7) and Orgegon (18-8)
-With medium schedules are Cincinnati (24-4) and Gonzaga (23-6)
-There is no team anywhere near WSU with a SOS nearly as weak (Louisville is #2 in SRS but they have won by way more than WSU and #40 is SLU who is 25-2)
I wouldn't say that this means they are a fraud. It is sensible to assume that WSU would not value winning by 40 instead of 30 as much as Kansas would value winning by 15 over 5. However, If you asked me to guess their record in the best conferences with a decent non-conference schedule, I would guess something like 19-9 or 20-8.
Right now Kansas is #5 and Duke is #6.
if I'm a 16 seed I'd MUCH rather face Wichita St than one of those traditional powerhouses. I don't care if Kansas is young and Duke is not the best Duke, the raw talent on those teams is still superior to that of Wichita St. Plus Wichita comes in with the added pressure of knowing they need to prove themselves.
But here's the thing. There are 10 teams in their conference and only 3 have winning conference records, WSU @ 17-0, Ind st @ 12-4 and Mo state @ 9-8. If WSU beats Mo state in the final game there will only be 2 teams in the conference that even have a winning conference record. That means they have beaten a bunch of losing teams in their conference and their non-conference schedule is not that impressive. I don't see any top 25 teams or even really good teams. I hate to make the argument that they haven't beaten anyone, but....they haven't beaten anyone.
Could they be the first number one seed to lose to a 16? I doubt it, but I don't see them going too far.
Oh and by the way, that win differential....that is not favorable. You win all your games by 30 points and you don't learn how to win the close games, hitting meaningful foul shots down the stretch and all. Then when you get in a close game in the tournament, you are out of your element.
Could they end up losing in the round of 16? Sure. High seeds lose all the time. But getting into the Final Four last year is GREAT experience and should help them come tourney time. I think still being unbeaten going into the tourney will actually be a burden though. Not likely they'll finish the year unbeaten!
Quote: michael99000If they do get a #1 seed, it could be the best shot a 16 seed has ever had of winning.
This couldn't be farther from the truth. Wichita State is a strong team that made an unlikely run at the national title last year with most of the team members returning. If WSU get's a #1 seed, they will have earned it from simply winning all their games. Greg Marshall is not about to have this team go down in flames from a team that likely has close to .500 record.
That being said, I don't think WSU is Final Four team this year. They are good, very good. And winning, even in a lousy conference (which sadly the MVC is THIS year, but wait until next year... Go Bradley!), is still difficult to do consistently. But the Big Ten and Big XII are much tougher conferences. I think this team makes a nice, deep run but misses the Final Four in a loss to Syracuse, who they pull as the #2 seed (who almost loses their game to a #15 seed)
Quote: TiltpoulThis couldn't be farther from the truth. Wichita State is a strong team that made an unlikely run at the national title last year with most of the team members returning. If WSU get's a #1 seed, they will have earned it from simply winning all their games. Greg Marshall is not about to have this team go down in flames from a team that likely has close to .500 record.
That being said, I don't think WSU is Final Four team this year. They are good, very good. And winning, even in a lousy conference (which sadly the MVC is THIS year, but wait until next year... Go Bradley!), is still difficult to do consistently. But the Big Ten and Big XII are much tougher conferences. I think this team makes a nice, deep run but misses the Final Four in a loss to Syracuse, who they pull as the #2 seed (who almost loses their game to a #15 seed)
As a #16 seed, give me a team to play in the first found who hasn't beaten anyone great over a proven power conference team any day.
30 and 0 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote: Buzzard30 and 0 is not good enough for a number 1 seed ? REALLY ! Guess Wichita State should just have cancelled their season. WTF
30 and 0 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What would dukes record be if they played Wichita States schedule? How about Florida?
They'd be an underdog to 12 teams right now. And if you think the rankings mean more than what the oddsmakers say, then you don't follow college basketball.
Quote: michael99000What would dukes record be if they played Wichita States schedule? How about Florida?
That's extremely irrelevant. Look at Syracuse. The first loss of the season was to a 7-19 team. Granted, Boston College was playing with a lot of emotion, but still... they were 7-19!!!
Quote: michael99000They'd be an underdog to 12 teams right now. And if you think the rankings mean more than what the oddsmakers say, then you don't follow college basketball.
Seeding in college basketball has less to do with who they would be an underdog to, and more to do with the overall picture. SOS and RPI make a difference of course, but a team that goes undefeated and doesn't get a #1 seed would be a bigger travesty. Furthermore, even at #2, Wichita State would not be an underdog to that team.
Quote: michael99000What would dukes record be if they played Wichita States schedule? How about Florida?
They'd be an underdog to 12 teams right now. And if you think the rankings mean more than what the oddsmakers say, then you don't follow college basketball.
I repeat 30 and 0 and can't get a 1 seed in a tournament ? Why the hell should Wichita State even play a season !
But figured Houston would be throwing bricks at foul line in 4th quarter. Houston biggest lead , 23 points in the 4th quarter.
Quote: midwestgbIf you know basketball, and you watch the Shockers actually play ... You know they are deserving of a No. 1. Bill Self said so this week at his weekly Press Conference.
i went to rutgers in the mid 70's when they went undefeated (eddie Jordan/Phil Sellars) and the got to the final four and lost twice....badly.
They didnt choke in myopinion. They just didnt have the talent to go up againt the better teams from a stronger division...like Michigan or UCLA which they lost to.
Rutgers had a very lucky matchup ride to the final four playing some rather weak teams ike VMI.
Rutgers was not battle tested. Yes they won against teams that they were put up against in the regular season.
Just like DENVER with manning had one of the waekest schedules...and was not battle tested during the year.....it hurt them in the superbowl.
I think the same will happen to Wichita. ST. Like last year they can make it to the final four...but like rutgers..;once u get to the final 4...you are playing a better team than you.
Quote: Buzzard30 and 0 is not good enough for a number 1 seed ? REALLY ! Guess Wichita State should just have cancelled their season. WTF
30 and 0 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How's that working out so far
Quote: midwestgbIf you know basketball, and you watch the Shockers actually play ... You know they are deserving of a No. 1. Bill Self said so this week at his weekly Press Conference.
Hmmm..
Quote: treetopbuddyParty here in Lexington
At least until a considerable number of UK's freshmen decide to declare themselves eligible for the NBA draft, at which time the NCAA decides to take a serious look into how many of them actually attended classes this semester.
Quote: ThatDonGuyAt least until a considerable number of UK's freshmen decide to declare themselves eligible for the NBA draft, at which time the NCAA decides to take a serious look into how many of them actually attended classes this semester.
The number of UK players that attended class this semester would probably fall in line with the number of Wichita St. players that attended class this semester. What does attending class have to do with college basketball? I'm guessing there were no rocket scientists running up and down that court. Talent trumped experience today.
Naturally, I just voted.
Quote: endermikeCongrats TTB, I'm going to be searching for answers at the bottom of a Jack Daniel's bottle (UNC).
Shouldn't you choice of whiskey be Jim Beam in this case?
Quote: endermikeCongrats TTB, I'm going to be searching for answers at the bottom of a Jack Daniel's bottle (UNC).
My sympathies, endermike. I was pulling for the Tarheels as well. It was going to take a miracle even if they got .3-.4 put back on the clock anyway, but probably no consolation to know that.
Quote: endermikeCongrats TTB, I'm going to be searching for answers at the bottom of a Jack Daniel's bottle (UNC).
Yeah, you suffered a tough beat….one thing thing for sure you'll be back in the tournament next year with a good/great team. No love love lost between Tar Heels and Wildcats…….Christian Laettner has a contract on him here in Kentucky.
Quote: beachbumbabsMy sympathies, endermike. I was pulling for the Tarheels as well. It was going to take a miracle even if they got .3-.4 put back on the clock anyway, but probably no consolation to know that.
The clock operator was right there with you pulling for the Tar Heels lol. Unreal how the clock didn't start after UNC inbounded with 1.6 to go.
Quote: treetopbuddyThe number of UK players that attended class this semester would probably fall in line with the number of Wichita St. players that attended class this semester.
Anybody who isn't convinced he is going to be drafted in this year's draft had better be attending classes or he won't be eligible next season. Only one-and-dones and seniors can really get away with it (since they won't have any eligibility left anyway), and Kentucky seems to be "One And Done U".
Quote: PBguyI was thinking about this tonight watching their game and they look good. Sure they don't play the strongest schedule but they went deep last year and any team that can go 30-0 is special. I'll be surprised if they don't make it at least to the Elite 8 round assuming they end up as a #1 or #2 seed.
Well I was wrong but only because they couldn't hit that last second 3. Good game and it proved they are a very good team. Worthy of the #1 seed? Maybe, maybe not.
Quote: PBguyWell I was wrong but only because they couldn't hit that last second 3. Good game and it proved they are a very good team. Worthy of the #1 seed? Maybe, maybe not.
I thought they would get to the final 16 also. But am not surprised either that they loST.
its kind of like denver in the superbowl. They had one of the waekest schedules during the year.They werent batle tested like seattle that met SF 3 times thst year.
Playing a relatively weak schedule, only once or twice having a close game ...worked against them. And combine that with the fact that Kentucky had its best game of the year, shot the lights out, shot well from three point range.
comong down to the last minute against a good team is foreign to wichita...it wasnt in their comfort zone...and it showed.
