WoV Picks Game 2013 (Discussion Thread)

Confidence.

Quote: steeldco

Oh and while I'm in an ornery mood.......
Is that Detroit Lions coaching staff the worst in the league, or what?

Very low football IQ for sure, but consistently worse in the football IQ department are Mike Smith in Atlanta and worse yet Kubiak in Houston. But the organization that from-top-to-bottom demonstrates little understanding of their craft is the Cowpokes, even the Princeton educated coach seems mostly clueless on just about anything. Honorable mention here to Marvin Lewis and Leslie Frasier for regularly pulling some real beauts out of their butts.

Quote: chickenman

Very low football IQ for sure, but consistently worse in the football IQ department are Mike Smith in Atlanta and worse yet Kubiak in Houston. But the organization that from-top-to-bottom demonstrates little understanding of their craft is the Cowpokes, even the Princeton educated coach seems mostly clueless on just about anything. Honorable mention here to Marvin Lewis and Leslie Frasier for regularly pulling some real beauts out of their butts.

Have to agree on Mike Smith. Don't know how I forgot about him. I'm not sure about Kubiak. I think the Dallas problem is more talent (overrated) than anything.
Lewis and Frasier....yep.

Greetings!

The Week 12 Standings have been posted, Week 12 results above:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/14893-wov-picks-game-2013-official-thread/6/#post293976

1.) We had a losing week and are .466 combined at 1079-1234 for the season. I'll go back to doing more specifics if we have a winning week!

2.) With five weeks left, technically, no active player is yet eliminated from the competition.

Greetings!

The Week 13 Lines have been posted:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/14893-wov-picks-game-2013-official-thread/6/#post293981

Greetings!

The Week 13 Picks have been posted:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/14893-wov-picks-game-2013-official-thread/6/#post294581

For those using the Calculator...

(1) Edit Miplet's pick of "Saint Louis" to St. Louis or St Louis or STL or Rams. (When the program sees "SAINT" it thinks his pick is the Saints, not the Rams, and reports a conflict because he also picked Seattle, who the Saints are playing.)

(2) Edit JW17's pic of "Chi" to Chic or Chicago or Bears. ("Chi" isn't enough... possible conflict with "CHIefs.")

I can correct both of these in a future version. (Which might not be until next year... we're closing in on the end of this season now.)

Despite these minor edits now and then, I think the program does a pretty good job of figuring out everyone's picks, which as we've seen, are all over the place. (Some players type in caps, some type in lowercase, some players use mascot names, some use cities, some use both, some include the point spread, some omit it, some include both teams when picking over/unders, some just include one team, etc., etc., etc.)

Everything else looks good. Enjoy the games. I'm playing chess all day tomorrow but I'm looking forward to arriving home in the evening seeing how horribly I did this weekend. :)

Thanks again to Mission for hosting.

Quote: EdCollins

Despite these minor edits now and then, I think the program does a pretty good job of figuring out everyone's picks

I think your program straight-up kicks @$$!

Quote:

Thanks again to Mission for hosting.

Thanks for making hosting so much less time-consuming!

Quote: EdCollins

I think the program does a pretty good job of figuring out everyone's picks, which as we've seen, are all over the place. (Some players type in caps, some type in lowercase, some players use mascot names, some use cities, some use both, some include the point spread, some omit it, some include both teams when picking over/unders, some just include one team, etc., etc., etc.)

If only cut/paste weren't so hard to do, lol.

Please note that Knuckleball3's Picks have been added. They came in reasonably close to the deadline and do not appear to fade the leader in any way. In fact, he and AyeCarumba agree on two Picks.

Quote: Mission146

Please note that Knuckleball3's Picks have been added. They came in reasonably close to the deadline and do not appear to fade the leader in any way. In fact, he and AyeCarumba agree on two Picks.

And I am taking my bye week this week (I completely forgot to make picks yesterday).

Good luck!

Quote: EdCollins

For those using the Calculator...

(1) Edit Miplet's pick of "Saint Louis" to St. Louis or St Louis or STL or Rams. (When the program sees "SAINT" it thinks his pick is the Saints, not the Rams, and reports a conflict because he also picked Seattle, who the Saints are playing.)

I wasn't the only one to pick "Saint Louis" . Do the other ones also need editing? What about previous weeks? I don't have Excel or I would check. ( Ok, I have an old version on my craptop, but that doesn't count.

Quote: miplet

I wasn't the only one to pick "Saint Louis" . Do the other ones also need editing? What about previous weeks? I don't have Excel or I would check. ( Ok, I have an old version on my craptop, but that doesn't count.

"Saint Louis" was how the name was presented when the line came out.

Perhaps next year, listing each option with a unique three digit number should be reconsidered. It would simplify the sorting.

Quote: miplet

I wasn't the only one to pick "Saint Louis" . Do the other ones also need editing? What about previous weeks? I don't have Excel or I would check. ( Ok, I have an old version on my craptop, but that doesn't count.

In all previous weeks we are okay. Prior to this week, no one ever selected the Rams by using term "Saint Louis."

As far as other picks that need to be edited for this week, you are correct. Aluisio an Terepined also picked "Saint Louis" so those two picks need to be edited as well. Good catch. (The program didn't report a conflict for them, thinking they both just picked the Saints, which would have been okay with all their other picks.)

Quote: Ayecarumba

"Saint Louis" was how the name was presented when the line came out.

Perhaps next year, listing each option with a unique three digit number should be reconsidered. It would simplify the sorting.

My choice would be for everyone just to use the mascot name (bears, lions, packers, etc.) I think this is also how Mission asked to receive them when he posted his initial example.

Quote: EdCollins

My choice would be for everyone just to use the mascot name (bears, lions, packers, etc.) I think this is also how Mission asked to receive them when he posted his initial example.

I agree. The rule was the nickname. Or the city. All these abbreviations. Make it easier on the moderators!

Just in case mission doesn't see his pm box. My confidence was buffalo I said lock of year so he may not have realized it was confidence- sp posting this for everyone

Most Love
Den 20
SD 12
Ariz 12

Least Love
ATL 1
San Fran 2
Minn 2
KC 2

Lopsided action
Den 20 KC 2
Buf 6 ATL 1
Chi 7 Minn 2
Rams 7 49'ers 2

Even Action
Tenn 4 Ind 4

Notable action
Chi Minn Under 6
Saints Seattle Over 6

Quote: EdCollins

My choice would be for everyone just to use the mascot name (bears, lions, packers, etc.) I think this is also how Mission asked to receive them when he posted his initial example.

That's pretty much why, even prior to your program, it made the results look neater. I made the same request last year with about the same percentage of compliance, so I changed them all to the nickname until I got sick of doing it.

The other thing is that it made it easier to memorize without really thinking about it going through results, though that is inapplicable now. For example, if the Bears covered, as I was going through the list, I would always remember that, "Bears," is a win and, "Saints," is a loss, or whoever they played. If the game ended up being Under, it was easy to remember that Bears-Under or Saints-Under was a win and over was a loss while just Bears +6 was a win and Saints -6 was a loss.

I'm not terribly intelligent, though, so for some reason I could not get into as good of a rhythm with it if I had to associate the city name with the mascot as I went through the list. I guess you're technically using more short-term memory if you do that. You're actually up to six items which are the three possible selections and either mascot or city, start throwing abbreviations in there and you could be up to 12 or more items per game.

Quote: strictlyAP

Just in case mission doesn't see his pm box. My confidence was buffalo I said lock of year so he may not have realized it was confidence- sp posting this for everyone

Maybe he remembered your "lock of the year" was last week? Btw, congrats on your lock of the year (Arizona) last week. :) Can there be a lock of the year every week? Or even several on any given Sunday? Just breaking your balls, lol,, good luck today.

Quote: Mission146

That's pretty much why, even prior to your program, it made the results look neater. I made the same request last year with about the same percentage of compliance, so I changed them all to the nickname until I got sick of doing it.

Next year tell them the exact format - full nick name, result. Give two weeks grace. If not done correctly, no pick.

Harsh, but fair.

I guarantee I would then fail at least one week at this :D

Quote: thecesspit

Next year tell them the exact format - full nick name, result. Give two weeks grace. If not done correctly, no pick.

Harsh, but fair.

Nah...it's not that big of a deal.

Greetings!

The updated Standings have been posted:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/14893-wov-picks-game-2013-official-thread/6/#post295718

And, the Week 13 Results are above.

Greetings!

The Week 14 Lines have been posted:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/14893-wov-picks-game-2013-official-thread/6/#post295726

***Vegas Insider had no Lines on Falcons/Packers, so those will be posted as soon as I see a Line available on VI.

Quote: Mission146

Greetings!

The updated Standings have been posted:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/14893-wov-picks-game-2013-official-thread/6/#post295718

And, the Week 13 Results are above.

Results and Standings look good. I agree with all the totals. Good work.

Thanks!

Greetings!

The Week 14 Picks have been posted:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/14893-wov-picks-game-2013-official-thread/6/#post296644

I think we were beginning to wonder if you were without power or something.

FYI: The program doesn't recognize Vendman1's CAR pick. (It doesn't know if it's CARolina or CARdinals.) It needs just one more letter. (CARD or CARO and you're okay.)

I should correct this for next year, and assume CAR is Carolina, which is probably always will be.

Enjoy the games.

That sounds good, fortunately, the program makes anything it doesn't like blue, so it's really easy to scroll through and see what it didn't like and then replace the intended pick with the full nickname.

Paradigm likes Seattle so much he put -3 instead of +3. :+)

Hey guys, I noticed I messed up the spelling for one of my picks. I typed 'Seahwaks' instead of the preferred 'Seahawks'

Sorry about that.

Most Love
Seahawks 28 (7 confidence votes, wow)
Chiefs 22 Andy Reid rocks.

Least Love
Washington redstorm (yup, being pc, thanks st Johns) 0 votes. Hmm, everbodys dropped off the RG3 bandwagon.
Pats 0. Wow, I guess the amazing Brady is great but not 11.5 points to overcome great.

Most Lopsided
Chiefs 22 Washington Redstorm 0
Seahawks 28 49'er 2

almost even action
Vikings 7 Ravens 6
Bucs 6 Bills 5

Notable action,
a lot of interest in Seahawks 49'ers with 36 votes, Seahawks 28, 49'ers 2 and over 6

I had to check that the line was the right way round with the 'hawks.

Betting the under in the Lions/Eagles game seems like value right now... the Lions can't hold onto the damn ball.

Detroit gets my vote as the most talented team in the league. They also get my vote for the most poorly coached team in the league. Probably also the Dumbest team in the league.......

Now I see where Detroit attempted, and converted, on a 2 point attempt to take an 8 to 0 lead. Really? Why would they do that?

Go Browns!

Quote: steeldco

Now I see where Detroit attempted, and converted, on a 2 point attempt to take an 8 to 0 lead. Really? Why would they do that?

There is so much snow on the ground. Too much to kick, I guess.

Also, when Indy acquired Trent Richardson in that deal with Cleveland, I thought it was a helluva move for Indy. Just goes to show ya how dumb I can be......and what the hell is with Andrew Luck lately......Should change the name to Andrew Suck

Quote: steeldco

Now I see where Detroit attempted, and converted, on a 2 point attempt to take an 8 to 0 lead. Really? Why would they do that?

Crazy day here. 6 inches of snow on the ground at Lincoln Financial Field. It'd be almost impossible to accurately kick from any distance.

Quote: steeldco

Detroit gets my vote as the most talented team in the league. They also get my vote for the most poorly coached team in the league. Probably also the Dumbest team in the league.......

Coach Swartz might be replaced in the off season if they fail to make play offs, or are one and done. I'd probably support that move, he's turned the 0-16 team around, but with the number of high first round picks on that team, who consistently produce as well (not that many Ryan Leafs now Mayhew is drafting), you expect a lot more. Someone who brings up discipline and good technique.

5-1 again. NOT complaining, but thought maybe I would have a perfect week for the first time (seahawks/49's went UNDER 41. bleah). At least I'm keeping losing cheap. lol....

4-2, won my only Confidence Pick of the year so far!

Waiting for tomorrow night ot see if I have my first perfect 6-0. Common baby!

Greetings,

Mission is having a few computer issues and asked me to post the Week 14 results and standings:


SOOPOO (1-5)

Lions (confidence) (loss)
Colts (loss)
Rams (loss)
Bills (loss)
Browns (win)

JohnZimbo (3-3)

Saints -3 CONFIDENCE PICK (win)
Bears under 49.5 (loss)
Patriots over 44.5 (win)
Cardinals over 41.5 (loss)
Broncos under 49 (loss)

TGarrettCPA (6-0)

Chiefs -2.5 (win)
Browns +11.5 (win)
Panthers UNDER 45.5 (win)
Titans OVER 49 Confidence (win)
Chargers -3 (win)

JW17 (4-1)

KC - 2.5 (win)
AZ -6.5 (win)
SD -3 (win)
Seahawks +3 (win)
Seahawks Over (loss)

StrictlyAP (4-2)

Oakland (loss)
Kc (win)
Baltimore (loss)
Arizona (win)
broncos (confidence) (win)

TheCessPit (4-2)

Chiefs -2.5 (win)
Seahawks +3 (Confidence) (win)
Saints -3 (win)
Cowboys +1 (loss)
Lions +2.5 (loss)

Ten2Win (5-1)

Chiefs -2.5 (win)
Seahawks +3 Confidence (win)
Seahawks OVER 41 (loss)
Cardinals -6.5 (win)
Saints -3 (win)

EdgeLooker (4-2)

Bengals -6 Confidence (win)
Ravens -6.5 (loss)
Broncos -12 (win)
Seahawks +3 (win)
Rams +6.5 (loss)

10DollarBri (3-2)

Raiders +3 (loss)
Vikings +6.5 (win)
Seahawks +3 (win)
Broncos OVER 49 (win)
Cowboys +1 (loss)

EdCollins (3-3)

Eagles (win)
Seahawks (win)
Giants (loss)
Vikings (win)
Cowboys Confidence (loss)

ZoomZoom8 (3-3)

Bills +2.5-confidence (loss)
Chiefs -2.5 (win)
Browns OVER 44.5 (win)
Cowboys +1 (loss)
Vikings OVER 42.5 (win)

FourFiveFace (5-1)

Buccaneers -2.5-Confidence (win)
Saints -3 (win)
Lions +2.5 (loss)
Bengals -6 (win)
Seahawks +3 (win)

BeachBumBabs (5-1)

Chiefs -2.5 Confidence (win)
Seahawks +3 (win)
Vikings +6.5 (win)
Seahawks 41 OVER (loss)
Chargers -3 (win)

DeeDubbs (4-2)

Pittsburgh Steelers -3 Confidence (loss)
Kansas City Chiefs -2.5 (win)
New Orleans Saints -3 (win)
Philadelphia Eagles -2.5 (win)
Seattle Seahawks 3 (win)

OdiousGambit (3-1)

Kansas City Chiefs -2.5 (win)
San Diego Chargers -3 (win)
Cleveland Browns + 11.5 (win)
Detroit Lions/ Philadelphia Eagles UNDER 54 (push)
Seattle Seahawks/San Francisco 49ers OVER 41 (loss)

Aluisio (4-2)

Dallas Cowboys +1 (loss)
Kansas City Chiefs -3 (win)
Seattle Seahawks +3 (confidence) (win)
Philadelphia Eagles -2.5 (win)
Carolina Panthers +3 (loss)

Wizard (4-2)

Kansas City Chiefs -2.5 (win)
Baltimore Ravens -6.5 (loss)
Tennessee Titans 12 (loss)
Seattle Seahawks 3 (win)
San Diego Chargers -3 (confidence) (win)

Terapined (3-2)

Buccaneers -2.5 (win)
Steelers -3 (loss)
Chiefs -2.5 (win)
Colts 6 (loss)
Seahawks 3 (win)

Boz (3-2)

Jets-3 (win)
Miami +3 (win)
49ers -3 (loss)
Giants+3 (loss)
Saints-3 (win)

Beardgoat (2-4)

Ravens -6.5 conf (loss)
Lions +2.5 (loss)
Saints -3 (win)
Giants under 47 (loss)
Chiefs -2.5 (win)

Buzzard (2-3)

BROWNS +11.5 (win)
COLTS +6.0 (loss)
RAMS +6.5 (loss)
TITANS +12 (loss)
VIKINGS +6.5 (win)

Jon (2-3)

Cleveland Browns (win)
Detroit Lions (loss)
Indianapolis Colts (loss)
Minnesota Vikings (win)
Tennessee Titans (loss)

Steeldco (2-4)

Detroit Lions +2.5 Confidence (loss)
Tennessee Titans +12 (loss)
Cleveland Browns +11.5 (win)
San Francisco 49ers -3 (loss)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers -2.5 (win)

FRGamble (2-3)

Colts +6 (loss)
Panthers UNDER 45.5 (win)
Lions +2.5 (loss)
Jets -3 (win)
Patriots UNDER (loss)

AssWhooperMcDaddy (2-4)

Kansas City Chiefs -2.5 (win)
Pittsburgh Steelers -3 Confidence (loss)
Philadelphia Eagles -2.5 (win)
Oakland Raiders +3 (loss)
NY Giants Under 47 (loss)

KeyserSoze (4-1)

Chiefs -2.5 (win)
Steelers -3 (loss)
Saints -3 (win)
Seahwaks +3 (win)
Chargers -3 (win)

BoyMimbo (4-1)

Colts +6 (loss)
Saints -3 (win)
Eagles -2.5 (win)
Seahawks +3 (win)
Cardinals -6.5 (win)

AyeCarumba (2-2)

Jets -3 (win)
Saints OVER 45.5 (loss)
Eagles UNDER 54 (push)
Bears -1 (win)
Seahawks OVER 41 (loss)

JML24 (4-2)

Seahawks +3 Confidence (win)
Colts +6 (loss)
Bills +2.5 (loss)
Chiefs -2.5 (win)
Browns +11.5 (win)

Miplet (3-3)

Seahawks +3- confidence (win)
Raiders +3 (loss)
Vikings +6.5 (win)
Titans +12 (loss)
Cowboys +1 (loss)

YouCanBetOnThat (2-3)

Browns +11.5 (win)
Browns OVER 44.5 (win)
Vikings UNDER 42.5 (loss)
Raiders UNDER 41.5 (loss)
Cowboys UNDER 49.5 (loss)

KMUMF (3-2)

Indianapolis Colts 6 (loss)
Kansas City Chiefs -2.5 (win)
Arizona Cardinals -6.5 (win)
Carolina Panthers 3 (loss)
San Diego Chargers -3 (win)

Vendman1 (2-3)

Oak +3 (loss)
Sea +3 (win)
PIT Under 40.5 (loss)
KC -2.5 (win)
Carolina +3 (loss)

Paradigm (4-2)

Seattle -3 (win)
NY Giants +3 (loss)
Chiefs -2.5 (win)
New Orleans -3 (confidence) (win)
Seattle over 41 (loss)

RDW4POTUS (5-1)

Seahawks +3 confidence (win)
Vikings +6.5 (win)
Colts +6 (loss)
Dolphins +3 (win)
Colts over 43.5 (win)

Malaru (5-1)

Denver Broncos over 49 confidence pick (win)
Seattle Seahawks 3 (win)
San Diego Chargers -3 (win)
Chargers Over 47 (win)
Dallas Cowboys 1 (loss)

Knuckleball3 (3-3)

Bucs -2.5 confidence (win)
Chiefs -2.5 (win)
Ravens-6.5 (loss)
Cowboys 1 (loss)
Steelers -3 (loss)

Mission146 (4-2)

Bills +2.5 (loss)
Chiefs -2.5 (win)
Seahawks +3-CONFIDENCE (win)
Chargers -3 (win)
Steelers -3 (loss)

Week 14 Standings:

Name	Wins	Losses	%	Owes
StrictlyAP	47	30	61.04%	-
AyeCarumba	45	30	60.00%	$1.04
BoyMimbo	42	29	59.15%	$1.88
EdgeLooker	47	34	58.02%	$3.01
JW17	39	29	57.35%	$3.69
TheCessPit	40	30	57.14%	$3.90
Wizard	43	35	55.13%	$5.91
Malaru	40	33	54.79%	$6.24
BeachBumBabs	40	34	54.05%	$6.98
Buzzard	37	32	53.62%	$7.42
Miplet	36	32	52.94%	$8.10
RDW4POTUS	42	38	52.50%	$8.54
KeyserSoze	36	33	52.17%	$8.87
ZoomZoom8	36	33	52.17%	$8.87
Ten2Win	39	36	52.00%	$9.04
KMUMF	35	33	51.47%	$9.57
Boz	32	31	50.79%	$10.25
JML24	37	36	50.68%	$10.35
Paradigm	36	36	50.00%	$11.04
DeeDubbs	40	41	49.38%	$11.66
SteelDCo	36	39	48.00%	$13.04
Vendman1	36	39	48.00%	$13.04
Mission146	32	35	47.76%	$25.00
TGarrettCPA	36	41	46.75%	$14.29
Knuckleball3	35	40	46.67%	$14.37
OdiousGambit	28	32	46.67%	$14.37
BeardGoat	34	39	46.58%	$14.46
10DollarBri	32	38	45.71%	$15.32
Terapined	31	38	44.93%	$16.11
MidWestAP	24	30	44.44%	$16.59
FRGamble	27	38	41.54%	$19.50
Aluisio	31	45	40.79%	$20.25
DuckManKilla	30	45	40.00%	$21.04
Rstrata	20	30	40.00%	$21.04
FourFiveFace	31	48	39.24%	$21.80
YouCanBetOnThat	27	42	39.13%	$21.91
Jon	24	39	38.10%	$22.94
EdCollins	28	47	37.33%	$23.71
JohnZimbo	28	47	37.33%	$23.71
SOOPOO	30	53	36.14%	$24.89
AssWhooperMcDaddy	26	51	33.77%	$27.27
NCFatCat	6	20	23.08%	$37.96
MinnesotaJoe	0	5	0.00%	$61.04
Totals	1421	1546	47.89%	$640.00

Quote: miplet

Paradigm likes Seattle so much he put -3 instead of +3. :+)

I just noticed that typo....hope I get credit for the actual line instead of the one typed :-)....there is a reason my picks to date are no better than flipping a coin!!

Quote: Paradigm

I just noticed that typo....hope I get credit for the actual line instead of the one typed :-)....there is a reason my picks to date are no better than flipping a coin!!

When my Excel program is used to grade each week's entries, it actually completely ignores any line listed by the user and instead just uses the actual line we're using. So yes, picking Seattle was a win for you, even though you listed them as the favorite by 3 points. :)

For that reason, no one has to list a line at all but of course it doesn't hurt to do so.

I WISH "I" had flipped a coin each and every week. I almost surely would have a better record than I do now. :)

Nice job, TGarrett! Only 6-0 this week. Jealous I am... :)

I'm curious why the lines were posted early this week. Are we fixing the lines earlier now?