Fu Dai Lian Lian gaffed?
Quote: PenguinsOfPitThis is the Bag Machine Boosted version if you aren’t sure. I remember when I started playing this machine about a year ago if you hit all three bags at once you had a great chance of hitting the feature(maybe not as close as getting all 3 in Rich Little Piggies, but close) but not anymore. I remember over a holiday weekend that Borgata actually shut those machines down and made all the bags flat(thievery and suspicious) and soon after I noticed it. I’ve noticed this throughout every casino in Atlantic City. Am I crazy or have any of you noticed it too?
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I don't believe the size of the bags change when you change the bet level therefore I don't believe its a beatable game. Maybe someone can confirm otherwise. If thats the case then i doesn't matter what size they are.
I do agree that the size of the bags do not matter, but I too noticed this interesting quirk. It used to be that state stored by bet was a huge hint, and it generally still is, but on this machine I don't trust it.
Quote: heatmaparistocrat does make "VGT" type games maybe there is a a "VGT version" and a "fully random" version... where are you playing this game at... las vegas... montana... etc?
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By "VGT type"... do you mean bingo slots?
(There are an awful lot of Montana bars where those won't fly; I've yet to find a Montana tribal property that wants me to visit... so no insight on what they have on the floor.)
Quote: Sulfur5989Quote: PenguinsOfPitThis is the Bag Machine Boosted version if you aren’t sure. I remember when I started playing this machine about a year ago if you hit all three bags at once you had a great chance of hitting the feature(maybe not as close as getting all 3 in Rich Little Piggies, but close) but not anymore. I remember over a holiday weekend that Borgata actually shut those machines down and made all the bags flat(thievery and suspicious) and soon after I noticed it. I’ve noticed this throughout every casino in Atlantic City. Am I crazy or have any of you noticed it too?
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I don't believe the size of the bags change when you change the bet level therefore I don't believe its a beatable game. Maybe someone can confirm otherwise. If thats the case then i doesn't matter what size they are.
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I was referring to the boosted version. That one changes with your bets. The non-boost bags game are indeed all nonsense and visuals don’t matter. Btw playing in AC
Quote: MukkeIn FU DAI LIAN LIAN it actually does store the size of the bags per bet and denomination.
I do agree that the size of the bags do not matter, but I too noticed this interesting quirk. It used to be that state stored by bet was a huge hint, and it generally still is, but on this machine I don't trust it.
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It definitely matters in terms of wanting to hit the boost
The only reason i'm up in this game is that i hit the major.Quote: Talldude90Be warned that this machine has a metric frak-ton of Variance. I'm talking MASSIVE. The amount of data points you would need to accurately "get a handle" on it is very large to say the least. Unless you are fine losing 100+ bets a good amount of the time while hoping for those 700+ bet wins (which on same bag combo proccing the bonus could just be a 20 bet win) then steer clear. I've gone 2-300 bets down before a SINGLE bag hit. Then it hits one at a time for nothing. This one will eat you alive even if you know/can figure out what the "+" point is.
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i now only look for 2+ boosted bags or a boosted Red
Quote: DieterQuote: heatmaparistocrat does make "VGT" type games maybe there is a a "VGT version" and a "fully random" version... where are you playing this game at... las vegas... montana... etc?
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By "VGT type"... do you mean bingo slots?
(There are an awful lot of Montana bars where those won't fly; I've yet to find a Montana tribal property that wants me to visit... so no insight on what they have on the floor.)
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I dont think im wrong here but if i am someone let me know but… vgt to me is more of an “interactive lottery terminal” … they are almost like the bingo but its some kind of limited lottery ticket that looks exactly like slots but really isnt
Quote: heatmapQuote: DieterQuote: heatmaparistocrat does make "VGT" type games maybe there is a a "VGT version" and a "fully random" version... where are you playing this game at... las vegas... montana... etc?
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By "VGT type"... do you mean bingo slots?
(There are an awful lot of Montana bars where those won't fly; I've yet to find a Montana tribal property that wants me to visit... so no insight on what they have on the floor.)
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I dont think im wrong here but if i am someone let me know but… vgt to me is more of an “interactive lottery terminal” … they are almost like the bingo but its some kind of limited lottery ticket that looks exactly like slots but really isnt
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I hear a brand of slot machines that focuses on the Class II market, known for "Red Screen Respin" feature. I believe the brand is a subsidiary of Aristocrat.
Having just looked into it a bit, the term VGT is also used for some machines intended for the non-casino market (bars, truck stops).
My experience playing in Montana did not suggest "VLT" style games to me, but maybe my spidey-senses are miscalibrated.
Quote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: DieterQuote: heatmaparistocrat does make "VGT" type games maybe there is a a "VGT version" and a "fully random" version... where are you playing this game at... las vegas... montana... etc?
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By "VGT type"... do you mean bingo slots?
(There are an awful lot of Montana bars where those won't fly; I've yet to find a Montana tribal property that wants me to visit... so no insight on what they have on the floor.)
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I dont think im wrong here but if i am someone let me know but… vgt to me is more of an “interactive lottery terminal” … they are almost like the bingo but its some kind of limited lottery ticket that looks exactly like slots but really isnt
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I hear a brand of slot machines that focuses on the Class II market, known for "Red Screen Respin" feature. I believe the brand is a subsidiary of Aristocrat.
Having just looked into it a bit, the term VGT is also used for some machines intended for the non-casino market (bars, truck stops).
My experience playing in Montana did not suggest "VLT" style games to me, but maybe my spidey-senses are miscalibrated.
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tbh i also think the terminology is different depending on the jurisdictions definition of it... this is one of my biggest pet peeves about the casino industry is that every word is used differently in different places... im pretty sure here in PA its called VGT but it means VLT as well elsewhere.
Quote: heatmapQuote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: DieterQuote: heatmaparistocrat does make "VGT" type games maybe there is a a "VGT version" and a "fully random" version... where are you playing this game at... las vegas... montana... etc?
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By "VGT type"... do you mean bingo slots?
(There are an awful lot of Montana bars where those won't fly; I've yet to find a Montana tribal property that wants me to visit... so no insight on what they have on the floor.)
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I dont think im wrong here but if i am someone let me know but… vgt to me is more of an “interactive lottery terminal” … they are almost like the bingo but its some kind of limited lottery ticket that looks exactly like slots but really isnt
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I hear a brand of slot machines that focuses on the Class II market, known for "Red Screen Respin" feature. I believe the brand is a subsidiary of Aristocrat.
Having just looked into it a bit, the term VGT is also used for some machines intended for the non-casino market (bars, truck stops).
My experience playing in Montana did not suggest "VLT" style games to me, but maybe my spidey-senses are miscalibrated.
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tbh i also think the terminology is different depending on the jurisdictions definition of it... this is one of my biggest pet peeves about the casino industry is that every word is used differently in different places... im pretty sure here in PA its called VGT but it means VLT as well elsewhere.
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https://www.playpennsylvania.com/video-gambling-terminal/
Those "feel" different from a PA Skill, "Real" slot, "Bingo" slot, or a Montana "bar" machine.
Feel is similar to an Illinois non-casino machine, but without the weird Fever Games mechanism.
Quote: 100xOddsThe only reason i'm up in this game is that i hit the major.Quote: Talldude90Be warned that this machine has a metric frak-ton of Variance. I'm talking MASSIVE. The amount of data points you would need to accurately "get a handle" on it is very large to say the least. Unless you are fine losing 100+ bets a good amount of the time while hoping for those 700+ bet wins (which on same bag combo proccing the bonus could just be a 20 bet win) then steer clear. I've gone 2-300 bets down before a SINGLE bag hit. Then it hits one at a time for nothing. This one will eat you alive even if you know/can figure out what the "+" point is.
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i now only look for 2+ boosted bags or a boosted Red
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The Asian teams in AC leave single boosted any colors alone(as long as they other bags aren’t close to boost). I feel like they’re always right
I've tried that with 1 boosted green or purple and one of the other 2 are 1 away from boost.Quote: PenguinsOfPitQuote: 100xOddsThe only reason i'm up in this game is that i hit the major.
i now only look for 2+ boosted bags or a boosted Red
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The Asian teams in AC leave single boosted any colors alone(as long as they other bags aren’t close to boost). I feel like they’re always right
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Majority of time I lost $, sometimes by 50x+ bet.
I believe it's either 2 boosted or red boosted (for a chance of the major) to make$.
Quote: 100xOddsI've tried that with 1 boosted green or purple and one of the other 2 are 1 away from boost.Quote: PenguinsOfPitQuote: 100xOddsThe only reason i'm up in this game is that i hit the major.
i now only look for 2+ boosted bags or a boosted Red
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The Asian teams in AC leave single boosted any colors alone(as long as they other bags aren’t close to boost). I feel like they’re always right
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Majority of time I lost $, sometimes by 50x+ bet.
I believe it's either 2 boosted or red boosted (for a chance of the major) to make$.
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Well 2 boosted is a snap play. I’ll run to the machine to get it. 1 red could be good on a big bet(I hit the grand a month ago on a 8.80 bet), but not sure.
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Quote: DieterQuote: heatmaparistocrat does make "VGT" type games maybe there is a a "VGT version" and a "fully random" version... where are you playing this game at... las vegas... montana... etc?
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By "VGT type"... do you mean bingo slots?
(There are an awful lot of Montana bars where those won't fly; I've yet to find a Montana tribal property that wants me to visit... so no insight on what they have on the floor.)
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I have spent a lot of time in Montana as my wife is from there. The only Class III casino I have been to is Fort Belknap in Eastern Montana. It was small but had many traditional Class III games.
Quote: DRichQuote: DieterQuote: heatmaparistocrat does make "VGT" type games maybe there is a a "VGT version" and a "fully random" version... where are you playing this game at... las vegas... montana... etc?
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By "VGT type"... do you mean bingo slots?
(There are an awful lot of Montana bars where those won't fly; I've yet to find a Montana tribal property that wants me to visit... so no insight on what they have on the floor.)
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I have spent a lot of time in Montana as my wife is from there. The only Class III casino I have been to is Fort Belknap in Eastern Montana. It was small but had many traditional Class III games.
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If you have a moment to talk shop...
Do you believe that the Montana "bar" machines are something like an e-pulltab with a fancy display?
(I don't, but I don't get to the internals. Talking about the $2/$800 machines, not the ones at a proper casino.)
Quote: DieterQuote: DRichQuote: DieterQuote: heatmaparistocrat does make "VGT" type games maybe there is a a "VGT version" and a "fully random" version... where are you playing this game at... las vegas... montana... etc?
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By "VGT type"... do you mean bingo slots?
(There are an awful lot of Montana bars where those won't fly; I've yet to find a Montana tribal property that wants me to visit... so no insight on what they have on the floor.)
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I have spent a lot of time in Montana as my wife is from there. The only Class III casino I have been to is Fort Belknap in Eastern Montana. It was small but had many traditional Class III games.
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If you have a moment to talk shop...
Do you believe that the Montana "bar" machines are something like an e-pulltab with a fancy display?
(I don't, but I don't get to the internals. Talking about the $2/$800 machines, not the ones at a proper casino.)
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I have to apologize i said Montana randomly … i was throwing sheit hoping it would stick
Quote: DieterQuote: DRichQuote: DieterQuote: heatmaparistocrat does make "VGT" type games maybe there is a a "VGT version" and a "fully random" version... where are you playing this game at... las vegas... montana... etc?
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By "VGT type"... do you mean bingo slots?
(There are an awful lot of Montana bars where those won't fly; I've yet to find a Montana tribal property that wants me to visit... so no insight on what they have on the floor.)
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I have spent a lot of time in Montana as my wife is from there. The only Class III casino I have been to is Fort Belknap in Eastern Montana. It was small but had many traditional Class III games.
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If you have a moment to talk shop...
Do you believe that the Montana "bar" machines are something like an e-pulltab with a fancy display?
(I don't, but I don't get to the internals. Talking about the $2/$800 machines, not the ones at a proper casino.)
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I don't think so. I have been to quite a few Montana bar/casinos and I don't remember them being similar to Class II machines. They do have a lot of different regulations like a machine can not pay a winner over $800 and many of the machines are Keno based.
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I have to apologize i said Montana randomly … i was throwing sheit hoping it would stick
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We all get an unlucky draw now and then.
Hopefully this little whoopsie is the worst thing that happens all week.
now the question is are the Progressives predetermined and your spins are just for entertainment value?Quote: PenguinsOfPitWell 2 boosted is a snap play. I’ll run to the machine to get it.
1 red could be good on a big bet(I hit the grand a month ago on a 8.80 bet), but not sure.
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Or is the bonus round in this game truly random?
Quote: DRichmany of the machines are Keno based.
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so... like a bingo game but instead its keno.... it looks like a slot and has the tiny keno card to let you know how the results are chosen?
Quote: heatmapQuote: DRichmany of the machines are Keno based.
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so... like a bingo game but instead its keno.... it looks like a slot and has the tiny keno card to let you know how the results are chosen?
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No, lots of Keno games. I think they are all true RNG games.
Quote: heatmapQuote: DRichmany of the machines are Keno based.
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so... like a bingo game but instead its keno.... it looks like a slot and has the tiny keno card to let you know how the results are chosen?
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In my experience, one machine may offer "keno games" (exactly like video keno), "poker games" (exactly like video poker), and "line games" (seemingly exactly like Nevada style video slot machines).
It really is an experience going into the gas station and having the bartender offer you free beers, since you're gambling.
Quote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: DRichmany of the machines are Keno based.
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so... like a bingo game but instead its keno.... it looks like a slot and has the tiny keno card to let you know how the results are chosen?
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In my experience, one machine may offer "keno games" (exactly like video keno), "poker games" (exactly like video poker), and "line games" (seemingly exactly like Nevada style video slot machines).
It really is an experience going into the gas station and having the bartender offer you free beers, since you're gambling.
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Yes, most are multigames because they have a limit on how many machines.
Quote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: DRichmany of the machines are Keno based.
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so... like a bingo game but instead its keno.... it looks like a slot and has the tiny keno card to let you know how the results are chosen?
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In my experience, one machine may offer "keno games" (exactly like video keno), "poker games" (exactly like video poker), and "line games" (seemingly exactly like Nevada style video slot machines).
It really is an experience going into the gas station and having the bartender offer you free beers, since you're gambling.
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apparently in montana they have to have a liquor licence in order to have the machines whodathunk
Quote: 100xOddsnow the question is are the Progressives predetermined and your spins are just for entertainment value?Quote: PenguinsOfPitWell 2 boosted is a snap play. I’ll run to the machine to get it.
1 red could be good on a big bet(I hit the grand a month ago on a 8.80 bet), but not sure.
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Or is the bonus round in this game truly random?
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Well hitting the boosts has a rock solid limit. It won’t ever go over 20 coins in before the boosted level before it hits. Also, from my experience, takes at least 16 coins in to get it. Probably a great game to vulture but frustrating when they won’t get off. Not sure this answered your question tho
i would have played it.Quote: PenguinsOfPitBy the way I saw a big red 17.60 boost by itself all weekend. Nobody touched it. Nobody touched it for a REASON and it’s not because everyone is scared to gamble big
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at 17.60/spin, there's more of a chance of hitting the major
lol.. no it doesnt.Quote: PenguinsOfPitQuote: 100xOddsnow the question is are the Progressives predetermined and your spins are just for entertainment value?Quote: PenguinsOfPitWell 2 boosted is a snap play. I’ll run to the machine to get it.
1 red could be good on a big bet(I hit the grand a month ago on a 8.80 bet), but not sure.
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Or is the bonus round in this game truly random?
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Well hitting the boosts has a rock solid limit. It won’t ever go over 20 coins in before the boosted level before it hits. Also, from my experience, takes at least 16 coins in to get it. Probably a great game to vulture but frustrating when they won’t get off.
Not sure this answered your question tho
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i was talking about once you hit the Red bag, does the game already know which progressives you're getting, if any?
And that all those spins during that Bonus are meaningless?
Quote: 100xOddslol.. no it doesnt.Quote: PenguinsOfPitQuote: 100xOddsnow the question is are the Progressives predetermined and your spins are just for entertainment value?Quote: PenguinsOfPitWell 2 boosted is a snap play. I’ll run to the machine to get it.
1 red could be good on a big bet(I hit the grand a month ago on a 8.80 bet), but not sure.
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Or is the bonus round in this game truly random?
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Well hitting the boosts has a rock solid limit. It won’t ever go over 20 coins in before the boosted level before it hits. Also, from my experience, takes at least 16 coins in to get it. Probably a great game to vulture but frustrating when they won’t get off.
Not sure this answered your question tho
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i was talking about once you hit the Red bag, does the game already know which progressives you're getting, if any?
And that all those spins during that Bonus are meaningless?
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Oh, well to the your question, I dunno lol. I know a guy in AC who showed me this game and I’ll ask him about it later this week.
