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November 9th, 2023 at 9:51:43 PM permalink
This is the Bag Machine Boosted version if you aren’t sure. I remember when I started playing this machine about a year ago if you hit all three bags at once you had a great chance of hitting the feature(maybe not as close as getting all 3 in Rich Little Piggies, but close) but not anymore. I remember over a holiday weekend that Borgata actually shut those machines down and made all the bags flat(thievery and suspicious) and soon after I noticed it. I’ve noticed this throughout every casino in Atlantic City. Am I crazy or have any of you noticed it too?
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November 13th, 2023 at 4:21:17 AM permalink
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This is the Bag Machine Boosted version if you aren’t sure. I remember when I started playing this machine about a year ago if you hit all three bags at once you had a great chance of hitting the feature(maybe not as close as getting all 3 in Rich Little Piggies, but close) but not anymore. I remember over a holiday weekend that Borgata actually shut those machines down and made all the bags flat(thievery and suspicious) and soon after I noticed it. I’ve noticed this throughout every casino in Atlantic City. Am I crazy or have any of you noticed it too?
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I don't believe the size of the bags change when you change the bet level therefore I don't believe its a beatable game. Maybe someone can confirm otherwise. If thats the case then i doesn't matter what size they are.
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November 13th, 2023 at 9:49:15 AM permalink
In FU DAI LIAN LIAN it actually does store the size of the bags per bet and denomination.

I do agree that the size of the bags do not matter, but I too noticed this interesting quirk. It used to be that state stored by bet was a huge hint, and it generally still is, but on this machine I don't trust it.
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November 13th, 2023 at 9:51:24 AM permalink
interesting then, particularly since this company as made plenty of beatable games in the past.
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November 13th, 2023 at 2:51:45 PM permalink
aristocrat does make "VGT" type games maybe there is a a "VGT version" and a "fully random" version... where are you playing this game at... las vegas... montana... etc?
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November 13th, 2023 at 4:09:26 PM permalink
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aristocrat does make "VGT" type games maybe there is a a "VGT version" and a "fully random" version... where are you playing this game at... las vegas... montana... etc?
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By "VGT type"... do you mean bingo slots?

(There are an awful lot of Montana bars where those won't fly; I've yet to find a Montana tribal property that wants me to visit... so no insight on what they have on the floor.)
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November 14th, 2023 at 4:58:49 PM permalink
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This is the Bag Machine Boosted version if you aren’t sure. I remember when I started playing this machine about a year ago if you hit all three bags at once you had a great chance of hitting the feature(maybe not as close as getting all 3 in Rich Little Piggies, but close) but not anymore. I remember over a holiday weekend that Borgata actually shut those machines down and made all the bags flat(thievery and suspicious) and soon after I noticed it. I’ve noticed this throughout every casino in Atlantic City. Am I crazy or have any of you noticed it too?
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I don't believe the size of the bags change when you change the bet level therefore I don't believe its a beatable game. Maybe someone can confirm otherwise. If thats the case then i doesn't matter what size they are.
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I was referring to the boosted version. That one changes with your bets. The non-boost bags game are indeed all nonsense and visuals don’t matter. Btw playing in AC
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November 14th, 2023 at 5:02:02 PM permalink
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In FU DAI LIAN LIAN it actually does store the size of the bags per bet and denomination.

I do agree that the size of the bags do not matter, but I too noticed this interesting quirk. It used to be that state stored by bet was a huge hint, and it generally still is, but on this machine I don't trust it.
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It definitely matters in terms of wanting to hit the boost
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November 14th, 2023 at 7:15:29 PM permalink
Be warned that this machine has a metric frak-ton of Variance. I'm talking MASSIVE. The amount of data points you would need to accurately "get a handle" on it is very large to say the least. Unless you are fine losing 100+ bets a good amount of the time while hoping for those 700+ bet wins (which on same bag combo proccing the bonus could just be a 20 bet win) then steer clear. I've gone 2-300 bets down before a SINGLE bag hit. Then it hits one at a time for nothing. This one will eat you alive even if you know/can figure out what the "+" point is.
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November 14th, 2023 at 10:38:43 PM permalink
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Be warned that this machine has a metric frak-ton of Variance. I'm talking MASSIVE. The amount of data points you would need to accurately "get a handle" on it is very large to say the least. Unless you are fine losing 100+ bets a good amount of the time while hoping for those 700+ bet wins (which on same bag combo proccing the bonus could just be a 20 bet win) then steer clear. I've gone 2-300 bets down before a SINGLE bag hit. Then it hits one at a time for nothing. This one will eat you alive even if you know/can figure out what the "+" point is.
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The only reason i'm up in this game is that i hit the major.
i now only look for 2+ boosted bags or a boosted Red
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November 15th, 2023 at 5:13:12 AM permalink
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aristocrat does make "VGT" type games maybe there is a a "VGT version" and a "fully random" version... where are you playing this game at... las vegas... montana... etc?
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By "VGT type"... do you mean bingo slots?

(There are an awful lot of Montana bars where those won't fly; I've yet to find a Montana tribal property that wants me to visit... so no insight on what they have on the floor.)
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I dont think im wrong here but if i am someone let me know but… vgt to me is more of an “interactive lottery terminal” … they are almost like the bingo but its some kind of limited lottery ticket that looks exactly like slots but really isnt
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aristocrat does make "VGT" type games maybe there is a a "VGT version" and a "fully random" version... where are you playing this game at... las vegas... montana... etc?
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By "VGT type"... do you mean bingo slots?

(There are an awful lot of Montana bars where those won't fly; I've yet to find a Montana tribal property that wants me to visit... so no insight on what they have on the floor.)
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I dont think im wrong here but if i am someone let me know but… vgt to me is more of an “interactive lottery terminal” … they are almost like the bingo but its some kind of limited lottery ticket that looks exactly like slots but really isnt
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I hear a brand of slot machines that focuses on the Class II market, known for "Red Screen Respin" feature. I believe the brand is a subsidiary of Aristocrat.

Having just looked into it a bit, the term VGT is also used for some machines intended for the non-casino market (bars, truck stops).

My experience playing in Montana did not suggest "VLT" style games to me, but maybe my spidey-senses are miscalibrated.
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November 15th, 2023 at 9:15:43 AM permalink
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aristocrat does make "VGT" type games maybe there is a a "VGT version" and a "fully random" version... where are you playing this game at... las vegas... montana... etc?
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By "VGT type"... do you mean bingo slots?

(There are an awful lot of Montana bars where those won't fly; I've yet to find a Montana tribal property that wants me to visit... so no insight on what they have on the floor.)
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I dont think im wrong here but if i am someone let me know but… vgt to me is more of an “interactive lottery terminal” … they are almost like the bingo but its some kind of limited lottery ticket that looks exactly like slots but really isnt
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I hear a brand of slot machines that focuses on the Class II market, known for "Red Screen Respin" feature. I believe the brand is a subsidiary of Aristocrat.

Having just looked into it a bit, the term VGT is also used for some machines intended for the non-casino market (bars, truck stops).

My experience playing in Montana did not suggest "VLT" style games to me, but maybe my spidey-senses are miscalibrated.

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tbh i also think the terminology is different depending on the jurisdictions definition of it... this is one of my biggest pet peeves about the casino industry is that every word is used differently in different places... im pretty sure here in PA its called VGT but it means VLT as well elsewhere.
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aristocrat does make "VGT" type games maybe there is a a "VGT version" and a "fully random" version... where are you playing this game at... las vegas... montana... etc?
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By "VGT type"... do you mean bingo slots?

(There are an awful lot of Montana bars where those won't fly; I've yet to find a Montana tribal property that wants me to visit... so no insight on what they have on the floor.)
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I dont think im wrong here but if i am someone let me know but… vgt to me is more of an “interactive lottery terminal” … they are almost like the bingo but its some kind of limited lottery ticket that looks exactly like slots but really isnt
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I hear a brand of slot machines that focuses on the Class II market, known for "Red Screen Respin" feature. I believe the brand is a subsidiary of Aristocrat.

Having just looked into it a bit, the term VGT is also used for some machines intended for the non-casino market (bars, truck stops).

My experience playing in Montana did not suggest "VLT" style games to me, but maybe my spidey-senses are miscalibrated.

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tbh i also think the terminology is different depending on the jurisdictions definition of it... this is one of my biggest pet peeves about the casino industry is that every word is used differently in different places... im pretty sure here in PA its called VGT but it means VLT as well elsewhere.
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https://www.playpennsylvania.com/video-gambling-terminal/
Those "feel" different from a PA Skill, "Real" slot, "Bingo" slot, or a Montana "bar" machine.
Feel is similar to an Illinois non-casino machine, but without the weird Fever Games mechanism.
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November 15th, 2023 at 8:20:23 PM permalink
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Be warned that this machine has a metric frak-ton of Variance. I'm talking MASSIVE. The amount of data points you would need to accurately "get a handle" on it is very large to say the least. Unless you are fine losing 100+ bets a good amount of the time while hoping for those 700+ bet wins (which on same bag combo proccing the bonus could just be a 20 bet win) then steer clear. I've gone 2-300 bets down before a SINGLE bag hit. Then it hits one at a time for nothing. This one will eat you alive even if you know/can figure out what the "+" point is.
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The only reason i'm up in this game is that i hit the major.
i now only look for 2+ boosted bags or a boosted Red
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The Asian teams in AC leave single boosted any colors alone(as long as they other bags aren’t close to boost). I feel like they’re always right
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November 16th, 2023 at 12:47:53 AM permalink
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The only reason i'm up in this game is that i hit the major.
i now only look for 2+ boosted bags or a boosted Red
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The Asian teams in AC leave single boosted any colors alone(as long as they other bags aren’t close to boost). I feel like they’re always right
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I've tried that with 1 boosted green or purple and one of the other 2 are 1 away from boost.
Majority of time I lost $, sometimes by 50x+ bet.

I believe it's either 2 boosted or red boosted (for a chance of the major) to make$.
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November 17th, 2023 at 12:35:21 AM permalink
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The only reason i'm up in this game is that i hit the major.
i now only look for 2+ boosted bags or a boosted Red
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The Asian teams in AC leave single boosted any colors alone(as long as they other bags aren’t close to boost). I feel like they’re always right
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I've tried that with 1 boosted green or purple and one of the other 2 are 1 away from boost.
Majority of time I lost $, sometimes by 50x+ bet.

I believe it's either 2 boosted or red boosted (for a chance of the major) to make$.
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Well 2 boosted is a snap play. I’ll run to the machine to get it. 1 red could be good on a big bet(I hit the grand a month ago on a 8.80 bet), but not sure.
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November 17th, 2023 at 11:09:27 PM permalink
I hit 3 majors to quit this game while I was ahead after 50 samples. All I sat was 1 red gem bag or more and started often losing 100+ units to hit the red and too many skunker paybacks like these -

.01, 88, Red
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November 18th, 2023 at 5:39:10 AM permalink
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aristocrat does make "VGT" type games maybe there is a a "VGT version" and a "fully random" version... where are you playing this game at... las vegas... montana... etc?
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By "VGT type"... do you mean bingo slots?

(There are an awful lot of Montana bars where those won't fly; I've yet to find a Montana tribal property that wants me to visit... so no insight on what they have on the floor.)
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I have spent a lot of time in Montana as my wife is from there. The only Class III casino I have been to is Fort Belknap in Eastern Montana. It was small but had many traditional Class III games.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
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November 18th, 2023 at 9:21:08 AM permalink
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aristocrat does make "VGT" type games maybe there is a a "VGT version" and a "fully random" version... where are you playing this game at... las vegas... montana... etc?
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By "VGT type"... do you mean bingo slots?

(There are an awful lot of Montana bars where those won't fly; I've yet to find a Montana tribal property that wants me to visit... so no insight on what they have on the floor.)
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I have spent a lot of time in Montana as my wife is from there. The only Class III casino I have been to is Fort Belknap in Eastern Montana. It was small but had many traditional Class III games.
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If you have a moment to talk shop...
Do you believe that the Montana "bar" machines are something like an e-pulltab with a fancy display?
(I don't, but I don't get to the internals. Talking about the $2/$800 machines, not the ones at a proper casino.)
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November 18th, 2023 at 9:48:43 AM permalink
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aristocrat does make "VGT" type games maybe there is a a "VGT version" and a "fully random" version... where are you playing this game at... las vegas... montana... etc?
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By "VGT type"... do you mean bingo slots?

(There are an awful lot of Montana bars where those won't fly; I've yet to find a Montana tribal property that wants me to visit... so no insight on what they have on the floor.)
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I have spent a lot of time in Montana as my wife is from there. The only Class III casino I have been to is Fort Belknap in Eastern Montana. It was small but had many traditional Class III games.
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If you have a moment to talk shop...
Do you believe that the Montana "bar" machines are something like an e-pulltab with a fancy display?
(I don't, but I don't get to the internals. Talking about the $2/$800 machines, not the ones at a proper casino.)
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I have to apologize i said Montana randomly … i was throwing sheit hoping it would stick
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November 18th, 2023 at 10:07:47 AM permalink
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aristocrat does make "VGT" type games maybe there is a a "VGT version" and a "fully random" version... where are you playing this game at... las vegas... montana... etc?
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By "VGT type"... do you mean bingo slots?

(There are an awful lot of Montana bars where those won't fly; I've yet to find a Montana tribal property that wants me to visit... so no insight on what they have on the floor.)
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I have spent a lot of time in Montana as my wife is from there. The only Class III casino I have been to is Fort Belknap in Eastern Montana. It was small but had many traditional Class III games.
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If you have a moment to talk shop...
Do you believe that the Montana "bar" machines are something like an e-pulltab with a fancy display?
(I don't, but I don't get to the internals. Talking about the $2/$800 machines, not the ones at a proper casino.)
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I don't think so. I have been to quite a few Montana bar/casinos and I don't remember them being similar to Class II machines. They do have a lot of different regulations like a machine can not pay a winner over $800 and many of the machines are Keno based.
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November 18th, 2023 at 10:42:21 AM permalink
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I have to apologize i said Montana randomly … i was throwing sheit hoping it would stick
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We all get an unlucky draw now and then.
Hopefully this little whoopsie is the worst thing that happens all week.
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November 18th, 2023 at 3:39:28 PM permalink
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Well 2 boosted is a snap play. I’ll run to the machine to get it.
1 red could be good on a big bet(I hit the grand a month ago on a 8.80 bet), but not sure.
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now the question is are the Progressives predetermined and your spins are just for entertainment value?
Or is the bonus round in this game truly random?
Last edited by: 100xOdds on Nov 19, 2023
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November 18th, 2023 at 3:55:41 PM permalink
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many of the machines are Keno based.
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so... like a bingo game but instead its keno.... it looks like a slot and has the tiny keno card to let you know how the results are chosen?
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many of the machines are Keno based.
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so... like a bingo game but instead its keno.... it looks like a slot and has the tiny keno card to let you know how the results are chosen?
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No, lots of Keno games. I think they are all true RNG games.
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many of the machines are Keno based.
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so... like a bingo game but instead its keno.... it looks like a slot and has the tiny keno card to let you know how the results are chosen?
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In my experience, one machine may offer "keno games" (exactly like video keno), "poker games" (exactly like video poker), and "line games" (seemingly exactly like Nevada style video slot machines).
It really is an experience going into the gas station and having the bartender offer you free beers, since you're gambling.
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November 18th, 2023 at 4:41:55 PM permalink
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many of the machines are Keno based.
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so... like a bingo game but instead its keno.... it looks like a slot and has the tiny keno card to let you know how the results are chosen?
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In my experience, one machine may offer "keno games" (exactly like video keno), "poker games" (exactly like video poker), and "line games" (seemingly exactly like Nevada style video slot machines).
It really is an experience going into the gas station and having the bartender offer you free beers, since you're gambling.
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Yes, most are multigames because they have a limit on how many machines.
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November 18th, 2023 at 5:28:58 PM permalink
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many of the machines are Keno based.
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so... like a bingo game but instead its keno.... it looks like a slot and has the tiny keno card to let you know how the results are chosen?
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In my experience, one machine may offer "keno games" (exactly like video keno), "poker games" (exactly like video poker), and "line games" (seemingly exactly like Nevada style video slot machines).
It really is an experience going into the gas station and having the bartender offer you free beers, since you're gambling.
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apparently in montana they have to have a liquor licence in order to have the machines whodathunk
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November 20th, 2023 at 11:28:31 AM permalink
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Well 2 boosted is a snap play. I’ll run to the machine to get it.
1 red could be good on a big bet(I hit the grand a month ago on a 8.80 bet), but not sure.
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now the question is are the Progressives predetermined and your spins are just for entertainment value?
Or is the bonus round in this game truly random?
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Well hitting the boosts has a rock solid limit. It won’t ever go over 20 coins in before the boosted level before it hits. Also, from my experience, takes at least 16 coins in to get it. Probably a great game to vulture but frustrating when they won’t get off. Not sure this answered your question tho
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November 20th, 2023 at 11:30:20 AM permalink
By the way I saw a big red 17.60 boost by itself all weekend. Nobody touched it. Nobody touched it for a REASON and it’s not because everyone is scared to gamble big
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November 21st, 2023 at 2:57:51 AM permalink
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By the way I saw a big red 17.60 boost by itself all weekend. Nobody touched it. Nobody touched it for a REASON and it’s not because everyone is scared to gamble big
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i would have played it.
at 17.60/spin, there's more of a chance of hitting the major
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Well 2 boosted is a snap play. I’ll run to the machine to get it.
1 red could be good on a big bet(I hit the grand a month ago on a 8.80 bet), but not sure.
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now the question is are the Progressives predetermined and your spins are just for entertainment value?
Or is the bonus round in this game truly random?
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Well hitting the boosts has a rock solid limit. It won’t ever go over 20 coins in before the boosted level before it hits. Also, from my experience, takes at least 16 coins in to get it. Probably a great game to vulture but frustrating when they won’t get off.
Not sure this answered your question tho
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lol.. no it doesnt.
i was talking about once you hit the Red bag, does the game already know which progressives you're getting, if any?
And that all those spins during that Bonus are meaningless?
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Well 2 boosted is a snap play. I’ll run to the machine to get it.
1 red could be good on a big bet(I hit the grand a month ago on a 8.80 bet), but not sure.
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now the question is are the Progressives predetermined and your spins are just for entertainment value?
Or is the bonus round in this game truly random?
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Well hitting the boosts has a rock solid limit. It won’t ever go over 20 coins in before the boosted level before it hits. Also, from my experience, takes at least 16 coins in to get it. Probably a great game to vulture but frustrating when they won’t get off.
Not sure this answered your question tho
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lol.. no it doesnt.
i was talking about once you hit the Red bag, does the game already know which progressives you're getting, if any?
And that all those spins during that Bonus are meaningless?
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Oh, well to the your question, I dunno lol. I know a guy in AC who showed me this game and I’ll ask him about it later this week.
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November 21st, 2023 at 12:48:52 PM permalink
In my experience, from the wicked variance I would say it's random. But the patterns I've seen in where it gives 1 bet coins back (88 coins at bottom bet 188 at 176 etc) it would appear that whenever those coins start coming out consistently the bonus is "over." That would point to pre-determined bonuses I would think? I have taken hundreds of plays on these and over time I am starting to suspect pre-determined, though I'm not sure how you would even prove this one way or the other and/or what it would actually matter?

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