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November 26th, 2021 at 11:39:15 PM permalink
I have a rule that I'm not allowed to leave the casino until I scavenge at least one abandoned slot machine ticket. Okay, I exaggerate, but it's pretty close to the truth.

When I look around at rows of slot machines, I pretend that I'm the Terminator and perform two quick "scans": the first scan, I look for abandoned tickets on or near the machines. The second scan, I look at the screens of the machines themselves and check to see if it says anything other than "Credit $0.00". If there is something in there, I hit the cash out button and collect the ticket. If I see the demo video playing on a machine, it means there can't be money in the machine, because the demo video will not play if there is, so I know I can safely ignore it.

This all sounds stupid, but if I had to give a conservative estimate, I average finding 70 cents worth of abandoned tickets per casino visit. I visit the casino twice a day, every day. If you add that up over the course of a year, that's no joke! It's an extra $511.00 a year!

My record is finding an abandoned ticket for $20.00, but I actually turned it into the casino staff because I find it hard to believe somebody willingly abandoned that. I doubt the staff actually went through the trouble of tracking down the real owner of the ticket, but whatever.

I haven't lowered myself to dumpster diving the casino garbage cans for tickets ... YET. But nothing is too humiliating to increase my edge over the house another 0.35%!
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November 26th, 2021 at 11:59:16 PM permalink
I'd be more worried about getting kicked out of the casino for writing down slot pay tables in a notepad, or at least back-roomed. It'd be easier to take pictures of pay tables but I'm not testing any casino for that at this time. Maybe I can memorize a few each visit and write them down when I get home or look up the game on YouTube. I'm hundreds of machines behind; I don't know how they pay. Maybe I'll get some free play sometime and I'll have to make a choice about what machines to play. But if Bubble Craps won't allow free play and the roulette machine does, I'll have to pick between that, horrible VP, or even worse Double Diamond Classic.
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November 27th, 2021 at 3:12:02 AM permalink
Quote: McSweeney

I have a rule that I'm not allowed to leave the casino until I scavenge at least one abandoned slot machine ticket. Okay, I exaggerate, but it's pretty close to the truth.

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It's generally called "silver mining", I believe from the old coin dropper days when some people would go around checking the coin trays for change that was in the corners.

The long and short is:
  • it's not classy
  • it's not your money
  • security and law enforcement have been known to get involved if you take it
  • some places, like Colorado and Detroit, take this more seriously than a reasonable person would expect


I used to do it; I wised up.
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November 27th, 2021 at 4:08:09 AM permalink
Quote: McSweeney

I have a rule that I'm not allowed to leave the casino until I scavenge at least one abandoned slot machine ticket. Okay, I exaggerate, but it's pretty close to the truth.

When I look around at rows of slot machines, I pretend that I'm the Terminator and perform two quick "scans": the first scan, I look for abandoned tickets on or near the machines. The second scan, I look at the screens of the machines themselves and check to see if it says anything other than "Credit $0.00". If there is something in there, I hit the cash out button and collect the ticket. If I see the demo video playing on a machine, it means there can't be money in the machine, because the demo video will not play if there is, so I know I can safely ignore it.

This all sounds stupid, but if I had to give a conservative estimate, I average finding 70 cents worth of abandoned tickets per casino visit. I visit the casino twice a day, every day. If you add that up over the course of a year, that's no joke! It's an extra $511.00 a year!

My record is finding an abandoned ticket for $20.00, but I actually turned it into the casino staff because I find it hard to believe somebody willingly abandoned that. I doubt the staff actually went through the trouble of tracking down the real owner of the ticket, but whatever.

I haven't lowered myself to dumpster diving the casino garbage cans for tickets ... YET. But nothing is too humiliating to increase my edge over the house another 0.35%!
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Congratulations.. What a fantastic example of American Exceptionalism. There aren't many people who would take on a part-time job as you have.
Five hundred and eleven dollars a year? Outstanding.
In a period of our nation's history where employers can't find people willing to work for $511 a week, it's good to know that there are still people like yourself out there, willing to do the jobs no one else will.
You, Sir, should serve as an example to future generations.
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November 27th, 2021 at 4:35:07 AM permalink
I wrote an article that focused on Colorado quite some time ago:

https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/know-the-laws-part-II/

For my part, I just print out any tickets and turn them into security (or put them on top of the machine) regardless of the jurisdiction. Seems better to avoid any potential headache.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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November 27th, 2021 at 5:50:09 AM permalink
As I mentioned in another thread, TITO is a bearer instrument - at least in some jurisdictions.

Read the fine print before you get yourself into trouble.
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November 27th, 2021 at 11:41:48 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

As I mentioned in another thread, TITO is a bearer instrument - at least in some jurisdictions.

Read the fine print before you get yourself into trouble.
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Bearer instruments are not exactly so cut and dried.

For example, if I steal your bearer instruments and you can prove it, I can't point to the fine print that says they belong to whoever the bearer is.

It seems that's the scenario the casinos take with abandoned slot tickets. It's theirs regardless of the fine print.
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November 27th, 2021 at 12:02:13 PM permalink
I知 not going to comment on the cashing out of other痴 tickets.

But I would like to a ask, why not a simple part time gig of delivery driver for a busy pizza place?

Got in a discussion about a week ago with an owner of a couple pizza shops and other fast food places. Told me his part time 3 to 4 nights a week, around 6 or 7 hours a night are making every bit of 400.00 to 500.00 plus a week, and that is their laziest ones. He figures the pay per delivery plus the tips signed for, excluding the cash tips given.

Food for thought. Plus they all get free food nowadays.
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November 27th, 2021 at 12:15:21 PM permalink
In these polarized times, I don't believe customer service can survive much longer.
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November 27th, 2021 at 12:16:13 PM permalink
I don't know what is being offered in your neck of the woods, but a casino I passed last week had rented billboards saying that dealers were guaranteed $25/hour minimum.
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November 27th, 2021 at 12:25:22 PM permalink
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I don't know what is being offered in your neck of the woods, but a casino I passed last week had rented billboards saying that dealers were guaranteed $25/hour minimum.
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Does that require offering BJs in the parking lot?
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November 27th, 2021 at 12:45:36 PM permalink
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November 27th, 2021 at 12:46:32 PM permalink
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I don't know what is being offered in your neck of the woods, but a casino I passed last week had rented billboards saying that dealers were guaranteed $25/hour minimum.
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Does that require offering BJs in the parking lot?
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Ahem, I assume you mean dealers offering BlackJacks in the parking lot?
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November 27th, 2021 at 1:11:58 PM permalink
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I don't know what is being offered in your neck of the woods, but a casino I passed last week had rented billboards saying that dealers were guaranteed $25/hour minimum.
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Does that require offering BJs in the parking lot?
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Ahem, I assume you mean dealers offering BlackJacks in the parking lot?
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Here in Washington they did have outdoor tents in the parking lot for some cardrooms because they couldn't be indoors do to covid restrictions.
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November 27th, 2021 at 1:19:15 PM permalink
It's okay to admit you're broke using the guise that you're increasing your edge.

I'd never pass up an abandoned ticket.
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November 27th, 2021 at 1:48:33 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

As I mentioned in another thread, TITO is a bearer instrument - at least in some jurisdictions.

Read the fine print before you get yourself into trouble.
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That痴 not really the right issue. If I write a check to 田ash and pay someone with it, that check is a bearer instrument. But if someone steals that check and cashes it, that痴 still theft.
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November 27th, 2021 at 1:50:14 PM permalink
I don't know if its because of COVID or the coin shortage or a combination, but I was in AC last night and I noticed a lot (and by that all that I used) ticket machines no longer give change. If you have a ticket from a VP machine for 50.25, and redeem at one of the ticket machines it will dispense 50 in bills and then give you another ticket for the change which it says to take to the cashier to get the 25 cents. I would imagine most of these "change tickets" end up in the trash, especially if its an obscure amount (like 2 cents).

People tend to leave tickets for under a dollar even back when you could go to the machine and get it instantly, now that you have to walk to the cage and wait in line to redeem anything less than a dollar, I would imagine increases this even more. I would never take a ticket that is not mine, it seems like it would be a hassle, and depending on the context wrong (and not worth the risk of getting kicked out, I have always been told this is a great way to get banned, no clue if that is true), but I would guess with the end of change being redeemed at ticket machines, opportunities would be an all-time high for people leaving tickets under a dollar all over the place (at least that would be my suspicion, I just can't picture the vast majority of people waiting in line at the cashier for a few cent ticket, so I imagine the trash cans by the ticket machines have stashes of few cent "change tickets" in them).
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November 27th, 2021 at 1:51:16 PM permalink
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It's okay to admit you're broke using the guise that you're increasing your edge.

I'd never pass up an abandoned ticket.
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I think it's pretty hilarious that people who would never use another person's players card because they consider it borderline illegal and don't want to get kicked out of casinos will have no problem swiping abandoned Tito's.
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November 27th, 2021 at 2:27:12 PM permalink
About ten years ago, the Orleans had a check cashing promo where you could win various prizes. If you won nothing, you could use the ticket on blackjack so a winning $5 bet paid $6. Most of these non-winning tickets would end up in the trash right by the cashier. At the end of the night, there were perhaps a few hundred of these slips in the trash. I thought about approaching the guys who took out the trash, but wasn't sure what to offer them nor was I sure how the pit would deal with someone sitting down with that many of them. They didn't say one per person.
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November 27th, 2021 at 2:52:36 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: Johnzimbo

Quote: Dieter

I don't know what is being offered in your neck of the woods, but a casino I passed last week had rented billboards saying that dealers were guaranteed $25/hour minimum.
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Does that require offering BJs in the parking lot?
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Ahem, I assume you mean dealers offering BlackJacks in the parking lot?
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I didn't inquire on the specific position requirements, but I expect it's for an all-games dealer.
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November 27th, 2021 at 6:06:01 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: AlanMendelson

It's okay to admit you're broke using the guise that you're increasing your edge.

I'd never pass up an abandoned ticket.
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I think it's pretty hilarious that people who would never use another person's players card because they consider it borderline illegal and don't want to get kicked out of casinos will have no problem swiping abandoned Tito's.
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I once sat down at a slot machine with $350 on it. My sister and brother in law sat next to me. We waited a half hour. No one showed up. So I played it.
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November 27th, 2021 at 6:09:44 PM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

I知 not going to comment on the cashing out of other痴 tickets.

But I would like to a ask, why not a simple part time gig of delivery driver for a busy pizza place?

Got in a discussion about a week ago with an owner of a couple pizza shops and other fast food places. Told me his part time 3 to 4 nights a week, around 6 or 7 hours a night are making every bit of 400.00 to 500.00 plus a week, and that is their laziest ones. He figures the pay per delivery plus the tips signed for, excluding the cash tips given.

Food for thought. Plus they all get free food nowadays.
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I wouldn稚 do that job without packing heat.
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November 27th, 2021 at 6:27:35 PM permalink
For the record, I don't go to the casino JUST to salvage tickets, but I am already there so why not add to my profits?

Re delivery driving: there is a delivery app in Canada called Skip the Dishes, which is like our equivalent of Uber Eats, DoorDash, etc. I did this for a while. Not only are you lucky to make minimum wage after your gas costs and car depreciation are taken into account, but you are technically supposed to get commercial insurance for your vehicle if you are going to be doing it. It costs something like an extra $1,000.00 - $2,000.00 to obtain commercial insurance for your vehicle. The vast majority of delivery drivers don't get it, of course, which means if they get into an accident and are honest about their insurance claim, they will get in trouble for not having the proper commercial insurance.

Imagine paying $2,000.00 a year for the privilege of doing a minimum wage job!
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November 27th, 2021 at 7:28:38 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Quote: darkoz

Quote: AlanMendelson

It's okay to admit you're broke using the guise that you're increasing your edge.

I'd never pass up an abandoned ticket.
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I think it's pretty hilarious that people who would never use another person's players card because they consider it borderline illegal and don't want to get kicked out of casinos will have no problem swiping abandoned Tito's.
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I once sat down at a slot machine with $350 on it. My sister and brother in law sat next to me. We waited a half hour. No one showed up. So I played it.
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That is fine.

The irony is that most jurisdictions what you did will get you kicked out the casino if caught and some jurisdictions consider it criminal.

NYS I know actually has gambling regulations that make it an offense to do what you just described.

However I use other people players cards with the players permission and that's perfectly legal everywhere in the US I am aware of

But everyone thinks I am the one putting myself in legal jeopardy.

I mean, that's the height of irony IMHO.
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November 27th, 2021 at 10:28:08 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: AlanMendelson

Quote: darkoz

Quote: AlanMendelson

It's okay to admit you're broke using the guise that you're increasing your edge.

I'd never pass up an abandoned ticket.
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I think it's pretty hilarious that people who would never use another person's players card because they consider it borderline illegal and don't want to get kicked out of casinos will have no problem swiping abandoned Tito's.
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I once sat down at a slot machine with $350 on it. My sister and brother in law sat next to me. We waited a half hour. No one showed up. So I played it.
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That is fine.

The irony is that most jurisdictions what you did will get you kicked out the casino if caught and some jurisdictions consider it criminal.

NYS I know actually has gambling regulations that make it an offense to do what you just described.

However I use other people players cards with the players permission and that's perfectly legal everywhere in the US I am aware of

But everyone thinks I am the one putting myself in legal jeopardy.

I mean, that's the height of irony IMHO.
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What I did was a felony but I didn't know. It was more than 20 years ago.

Had the owner of the $350 come back at any time I was prepared to give them cash.

It was a $5 slot. No one showed up.

If it happened today I'd notify an attendant.
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November 28th, 2021 at 4:32:25 AM permalink
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That痴 not really the right issue. If I write a check to 田ash and pay someone with it, that check is a bearer instrument. But if someone steals that check and cashes it, that痴 still theft.
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No. A check is negotiable instrument, and only becomes a bearer instrument when it's endorsed.
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November 28th, 2021 at 4:50:54 AM permalink
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Quote: unJon

That痴 not really the right issue. If I write a check to 田ash and pay someone with it, that check is a bearer instrument. But if someone steals that check and cashes it, that痴 still theft.
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No. A check is negotiable instrument, and only becomes a bearer instrument when it's endorsed.
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Not if it痴 made out to 田ash instead of a person.
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November 28th, 2021 at 6:52:43 AM permalink
Let's ask, what's morally just in the case of usually less than .50 cents left on a machine? (often just a few cents)

I would argue, nothing just actually happens unless it returns directly to the person who leaves it behind.. Just because the state has decided what to do with abandoned funds only makes it legal not morally right.
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November 28th, 2021 at 7:11:22 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Let's ask, what's morally just in the case of usually less than .50 cents left on a machine? (often just a few cents)

I would argue, nothing just actually happens unless it returns directly to the person who leaves it behind.. Just because the state has decided what to do with abandoned funds only makes it legal not morally right.
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Under what moral principle do you believe you would be entitled to keep a voucher you found? If you sit down to eat in a diner and someone left their wallet behind, do you have a moral right to it? How about if they left an iPad?
A $100 bill?
I'm just curious why you believe you are entitled to something someone else lost?

I used to play a lot of VBJ at the Hard Rock a few years ago and had a favorite machine that just seemed to pay better than the others at the center bar. It was probably just my imagination but given a choice, it was my preferred machine.
I got there one afternoon and someone was on it. I played a different machine for a spell and then the person left.
As soon as they did, I cashed out my machine, went over and put the voucher in the now vacant machine. I play a few hands and only then did I notice something wrong. My voucher was for seventy dollars, give or take but I have $220 in credits. I'm thinking the machine is paying wrong when it dawns on me there must have been money left in the machine. I didn't know what to do. Had I seen the money was there before I started playing, I'd have alerted the bartender, but now my money was mingled with it. I cashed it all out and left. To this day it still bothers me.
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November 28th, 2021 at 7:27:37 AM permalink
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Quote: rxwine

Let's ask, what's morally just in the case of usually less than .50 cents left on a machine? (often just a few cents)

I would argue, nothing just actually happens unless it returns directly to the person who leaves it behind.. Just because the state has decided what to do with abandoned funds only makes it legal not morally right.
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Under what moral principle do you believe you would be entitled to keep a voucher you found? If you sit down to eat in a diner and someone left their wallet behind, do you have a moral right to it? How about if they left an iPad?
A $100 bill?
I'm just curious why you believe you are entitled to something someone else lost?

I used to play a lot of VBJ at the Hard Rock a few years ago and had a favorite machine that just seemed to pay better than the others at the center bar. It was probably just my imagination but given a choice, it was my preferred machine.
I got there one afternoon and someone was on it. I played a different machine for a spell and then the person left.
As soon as they did, I cashed out my machine, went over and put the voucher in the now vacant machine. I play a few hands and only then did I notice something wrong. My voucher was for seventy dollars, give or take but I have $220 in credits. I'm thinking the machine is paying wrong when it dawns on me there must have been money left in the machine. I didn't know what to do. Had I seen the money was there before I started playing, I'd have alerted the bartender, but now my money was mingled with it. I cashed it all out and left. To this day it still bothers me.
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Completely different with the vastly different amounts there imo, the difference being likely intent of person leaving it behind.

When it痴 like 0.50 and it痴 on a machine that the minimum bet is larger than that, it痴 the equivalent of someone cashing it out and just leaving the slot ticket on the machine for the next patron or sometimes people give those sort of vouchers to someone currently playing to add into their machine. Leaving it there says they can稚 be bothered with the amount. They didn稚 specifically donate it to the casino either but the casino will take it.

If it痴 a machine I want to play with that sort of amount sitting in it unattended, I tend to cash it out and lay the ticket on the machine next to me in case they come back and complain, and also because I知 working with the assumption a casino may use any excuse they can to justify getting rid of me so it痴 dumb to give them a reason for 0.50. However, I think morally less than a dollar (likely intentional) and $100+ dollars (obviously a mistake) are entirely different incomparable situations.
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November 28th, 2021 at 7:31:13 AM permalink
I知 sorry guys, there are so many jobs available in so many different fields from $19-$30 an hour with signs posted everywhere from driving buses to working in restaurants, retail stores to factories to entry-level trainable driving type of commercial positions, everything it痴 endless. The bottom line is as far as I知 concerned and everyone I speak to, is if you don稚 have a job basically you don稚 want to work.

Leave the tickets alone, IMO.
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November 28th, 2021 at 7:32:01 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Let's ask, what's morally just in the case of usually less than .50 cents left on a machine? (often just a few cents)

I would argue, nothing just actually happens unless it returns directly to the person who leaves it behind.. Just because the state has decided what to do with abandoned funds only makes it legal not morally right.
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Morality is often painfully inflexible.
Tuppence or haypenny, it is not yours.



Practicalities are another matter. Maybe "they" choose 5 cents as their petty excuse to start a fuss, maybe 50 cents.
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November 28th, 2021 at 7:32:45 AM permalink
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I知 sorry guys, there are so many jobs available in so many different fields from $19-$30 an hour with signs posted everywhere from driving buses to working in restaurants, retail stores to factories to entry-level trainable driving type of commercial positions, everything it痴 endless. The bottom line is as far as I知 concerned and everyone I speak to, is if you don稚 have a job basically you don稚 want to work.
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What on gods green earth does this have to do with the subject and why have you hijacked the thread multiple times to say it?
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November 28th, 2021 at 7:40:00 AM permalink
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I知 sorry guys, there are so many jobs available in so many different fields from $19-$30 an hour with signs posted everywhere from driving buses to working in restaurants, retail stores to factories to entry-level trainable driving type of commercial positions, everything it痴 endless. The bottom line is as far as I知 concerned and everyone I speak to, is if you don稚 have a job basically you don稚 want to work.
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What on gods green earth does this have to do with the subject and why have you hijacked the thread multiple times to say it?
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It provides some context for how hard people are willing to work for how little.

You can get a straight job for $19 an hour pretty easily, or you can wander around a casino hoping to find some dropped change... for perhaps 15 tickets an hour totalling $2.40.

Marcus, without doxxing yourself, what's a position in ES pay to clean the place up?
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November 28th, 2021 at 7:43:23 AM permalink
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Let's ask, what's morally just in the case of usually less than .50 cents left on a machine? (often just a few cents)

I would argue, nothing just actually happens unless it returns directly to the person who leaves it behind.. Just because the state has decided what to do with abandoned funds only makes it legal not morally right.
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Under what moral principle do you believe you would be entitled to keep a voucher you found? If you sit down to eat in a diner and someone left their wallet behind, do you have a moral right to it? How about if they left an iPad?
A $100 bill?
I'm just curious why you believe you are entitled to something someone else lost?

I used to play a lot of VBJ at the Hard Rock a few years ago and had a favorite machine that just seemed to pay better than the others at the center bar. It was probably just my imagination but given a choice, it was my preferred machine.
I got there one afternoon and someone was on it. I played a different machine for a spell and then the person left.
As soon as they did, I cashed out my machine, went over and put the voucher in the now vacant machine. I play a few hands and only then did I notice something wrong. My voucher was for seventy dollars, give or take but I have $220 in credits. I'm thinking the machine is paying wrong when it dawns on me there must have been money left in the machine. I didn't know what to do. Had I seen the money was there before I started playing, I'd have alerted the bartender, but now my money was mingled with it. I cashed it all out and left. To this day it still bothers me.
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What I implied is, that anyone else taking it has no moral right to it including the state, the casino, or any other decision other than the person who left it. There's just a legal process that is eventually just distribute it to state funds.
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November 28th, 2021 at 8:53:48 AM permalink
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I知 sorry guys, there are so many jobs available in so many different fields from $19-$30 an hour with signs posted everywhere from driving buses to working in restaurants, retail stores to factories to entry-level trainable driving type of commercial positions, everything it痴 endless. The bottom line is as far as I知 concerned and everyone I speak to, is if you don稚 have a job basically you don稚 want to work.
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What on gods green earth does this have to do with the subject and why have you hijacked the thread multiple times to say it?
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It provides some context for how hard people are willing to work for how little.

You can get a straight job for $19 an hour pretty easily, or you can wander around a casino hoping to find some dropped change... for perhaps 15 tickets an hour totalling $2.40.

Marcus, without doxxing yourself, what's a position in ES pay to clean the place up?
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I believe it is in the area of $17.00 to $19.00 an hour. But there are additions for such as snow plowing, grounds maintenance, special events and countless other things that add multiple increases and continuing bonuses. Also don稚 leave out the perks and benefits for all 40 hour weekly employees.
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November 28th, 2021 at 11:34:06 AM permalink
Yesterday BetMGM gave me 50 dollars to play with for free

I go to the slots because all bonuses like this are a scam and I want to blow it all away semi quickly but still waste some time

I have to play through 1000 dollars with that 50 free dollars before I can withdraw any profits

Well slots didn稚 take the money it just left me with the same amount but a small millimeter closer to spending a thousand dollars with only 50 to start plus I was going like 20 cents a spin

Well on to the video poker (I love duces wild don稚 care the pay table tbh) I think I started at like 25 cents a pull

Well that didn稚 work to help me get rid of 50 dollars so I up the bet to a dollar

I hit 4 duces and won like 200 dollars - keep in mind this is still restricted money

Wel I spent all day clicking the buttons to try to use this 50 dollars

It must have been 8 hours that I spent the 50 dollars

The most disgusting part is that I almost got up to being able to say I almost completed the bonus - I got up to 900 dollars of play off of the 50 dollars in free play

And all for what? I did that for nothing because the bonus was never completed yet

I still have time to complete it but I wanted to do it off of the original 50 dollars they gave me and I failed
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November 28th, 2021 at 1:13:55 PM permalink
Seems that little +EV bonus is completely throwing you off your regular game.
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November 28th, 2021 at 3:14:10 PM permalink
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Seems that little +EV bonus is completely throwing you off your regular game.
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i know i normally just throw all the money on the table and close my eyes and what the hell am i doing being a nit???
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November 28th, 2021 at 3:52:24 PM permalink
There was a six cent voucher left on the trash can next to a ticket redemption machine.

I consider that a voluntarily and conscious abandonment of the six cents. There is no moral violation if you picked it up.

If you sat down in a restaurant booth and found a phone on the booth cushion you would assume the phone was lost. Keeping the phone would be an immoral act.

Back to the ticket scenario: the ticket for six cents was left hanging out of the printer slot. For six cents I'd consider that voluntarily abandoned as well.

But if the ticket was in a slot machine printer for $600 and not 6 cents I'd call an attendant.

About a year ago a player at Red Rock found $1200 in rolled up $100 bills on the floor by a slot machine. The attendant told her to keep it.
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November 30th, 2021 at 2:16:25 PM permalink
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About a year ago a player at Red Rock found $1200 in rolled up $100 bills on the floor by a slot machine. The attendant told her to keep it.



Perhaps the attendant had concerns...

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Will the player who lost the $1,200 roll of bills over by the slot machine please form a single line to the left of the Cashier window.



I don't doubt your story, but I couldn't resist.
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November 30th, 2021 at 3:11:10 PM permalink
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About a year ago a player at Red Rock found $1200 in rolled up $100 bills on the floor by a slot machine. The attendant told her to keep it.



Perhaps the attendant had concerns...

Quote: Public Address Announcement

Will the player who lost the $1,200 roll of bills over by the slot machine please form a single line to the left of the Cashier window.



I don't doubt your story, but I couldn't resist.
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The attendant gave really bad advice IMO.

I actually left about $1300 in a slot after winning a really large jackpot. Got paid and went to celebrate forgetting I had cash still inside.

Of course, I remembered and rushed back to find the money taken.

Security ID'd the guy and while I didn't get the money back the guy had to face charges in court.

I imagine the same charges would be filed for a swiped $1200 from the floor.
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November 30th, 2021 at 8:37:00 PM permalink
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About a year ago a player at Red Rock found $1200 in rolled up $100 bills on the floor by a slot machine. The attendant told her to keep it.



Perhaps the attendant had concerns...

Quote: Public Address Announcement

Will the player who lost the $1,200 roll of bills over by the slot machine please form a single line to the left of the Cashier window.



I don't doubt your story, but I couldn't resist.
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The attendant gave really bad advice IMO.

I actually left about $1300 in a slot after winning a really large jackpot. Got paid and went to celebrate forgetting I had cash still inside.

Of course, I remembered and rushed back to find the money taken.

Security ID'd the guy and while I didn't get the money back the guy had to face charges in court.

I imagine the same charges would be filed for a swiped $1200 from the floor.
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It surprised me as well.

I found out about the incident while playing craps. Surprisingly all of the staff at the craps table including the pit boss and boxman agreed with finders keepers.
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December 1st, 2021 at 6:02:21 AM permalink
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About a year ago a player at Red Rock found $1200 in rolled up $100 bills on the floor by a slot machine. The attendant told her to keep it.



Perhaps the attendant had concerns...

Quote: Public Address Announcement

Will the player who lost the $1,200 roll of bills over by the slot machine please form a single line to the left of the Cashier window.



I don't doubt your story, but I couldn't resist.
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The attendant gave really bad advice IMO.

I actually left about $1300 in a slot after winning a really large jackpot. Got paid and went to celebrate forgetting I had cash still inside.

Of course, I remembered and rushed back to find the money taken.

Security ID'd the guy and while I didn't get the money back the guy had to face charges in court.

I imagine the same charges would be filed for a swiped $1200 from the floor.
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Who kept the money? Hpppw did they prosecute a guy for stealing yet keep the money? That doesn't seem to make sense.
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December 1st, 2021 at 7:53:58 AM permalink
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About a year ago a player at Red Rock found $1200 in rolled up $100 bills on the floor by a slot machine. The attendant told her to keep it.



Perhaps the attendant had concerns...

Quote: Public Address Announcement

Will the player who lost the $1,200 roll of bills over by the slot machine please form a single line to the left of the Cashier window.



I don't doubt your story, but I couldn't resist.
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The attendant gave really bad advice IMO.

I actually left about $1300 in a slot after winning a really large jackpot. Got paid and went to celebrate forgetting I had cash still inside.

Of course, I remembered and rushed back to find the money taken.

Security ID'd the guy and while I didn't get the money back the guy had to face charges in court.

I imagine the same charges would be filed for a swiped $1200 from the floor.
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Who kept the money? Hpppw did they prosecute a guy for stealing yet keep the money? That doesn't seem to make sense.
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I think it痴 actually pretty common in theft for people stolen from not to be reimbursed despite criminal charges. Money already spent, most petty thieves deadbeats with no assets or money so provided they don稚 gouge paychecks it痴 not that enforceable beyond a misdemeanor on their record. I had a hotel housekeeping theft where I got about 20% back, the only part I got back was a store where they spent money took the items back and cut me a check.
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December 1st, 2021 at 9:38:25 AM permalink
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About a year ago a player at Red Rock found $1200 in rolled up $100 bills on the floor by a slot machine. The attendant told her to keep it.



Perhaps the attendant had concerns...

Quote: Public Address Announcement

Will the player who lost the $1,200 roll of bills over by the slot machine please form a single line to the left of the Cashier window.



I don't doubt your story, but I couldn't resist.
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The attendant gave really bad advice IMO.

I actually left about $1300 in a slot after winning a really large jackpot. Got paid and went to celebrate forgetting I had cash still inside.

Of course, I remembered and rushed back to find the money taken.

Security ID'd the guy and while I didn't get the money back the guy had to face charges in court.

I imagine the same charges would be filed for a swiped $1200 from the floor.
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Who kept the money? Hpppw did they prosecute a guy for stealing yet keep the money? That doesn't seem to make sense.
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The person was tracked to the redemption machine and ID'd there. Unfortunately he made it out of the casino.

He was apprehended when entering another casino property a few weeks later and we were both given a summons to appear in court with myself as plaintiff against the (now named) defendant. So they probably caught him on a BOLO (Be On The Lookout) official warning which is something Casinos share amongst themselves for security purposes.

I appeared and he didn't and a warrant for his arrest was posted.

And that's the last update I have.

So I never got the money back but this guy lives with a bench warrant for his arrest over his head.
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December 1st, 2021 at 12:11:21 PM permalink
Eventually he'll be found, and if convicted the court will order as part of his sentence that he pay you back, usually over time, calling it "restitution."

A guy I know had his car stolen many years ago, it was recovered but was slightly damaged; he itemized the damage for the court and when the thief was convicted he was ordered to pay.

No money came for many years, but now about ten years later some restitution payments are finally being made and received.
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December 1st, 2021 at 8:25:07 PM permalink
I am not above taking any slot vouchers I see laying around, or any credits I find on machines. I just cannot come close to 70-cents per trip. Maybe 70-cents per day for me. Best I've ever done was a $15 voucher. It was sticking out of a bartop machine and I sat there for about an hour waiting for someone to come get it, so I was fine keeping it. Don't think I've ever found anything over $2. But I did have one for close to $30 expire and I'm sure I've lost plenty others.
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December 2nd, 2021 at 5:44:51 AM permalink
I don't think I've ever done anything consistent when I see one. I hide ashtrays on top of machines and have put tickets up there as well. I've played ones adding my own money and cashed them out and set them on a machine next to me. And I've ignored them and watched other people pick them up. I've never seen any casino personnel do anything with them, so assume that is verboten.
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