Mission146
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November 17th, 2021 at 6:06:25 PM permalink
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Quote: mcallister3200

I will generally tip something in order to attempt to preserve my longevity in a specific place.



What do you mean by this, do you actually believe that you'll be denied the right to gamble if you don't tip slot attendants if you get a hand pay?
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Heís an advantage player, so thereís a pretty reasonable probability that heíll be denied the, ďRight,Ē to gamble even if he does tip.
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mcallister3200
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November 17th, 2021 at 7:25:14 PM permalink
What mission said, in some cases I just donít want to give any additional reason for a slot director or someone to take a closer look or donít want to give them additional reasons to dislike me If thereís some discretion of an employee on what decision to make.
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November 17th, 2021 at 7:35:50 PM permalink
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Part of the reason was the tip made my after-tax check amount an even $100k, but that marginal tip amount really starts circling around in your brain when you start thinking of what you can buy with $4k.
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I find that very interesting. I've know of video poker players winning $1,250 (betting $25 and hitting a four of a kind that pays 25 for 1) and begging to tip over $50 to not get the W2G. They were told the W2G would be for $1,250, regardless of the tip.
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November 18th, 2021 at 4:49:57 AM permalink
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I have a radical idea. Casinos should just automatically add a 20 percent tip of all jackpots to be split among all of the employees who processed the jackpot. Many restaurants add an automatic 20 percent tip to meals, casinos should follow suit. It would prevent a lot of hassles, employees are guaranteed something, players don't feel pressured to give a lot of money when the tip is automatically added. It's a win win situation. Think of how relieved you feel when tip is automatically put on your restaurant bill. The same would go for jackpots at a casino.
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I donít feel relieved when a tip is automatically added to a restaurant bill. 20 % added on all slot jackpots, thatís fine as long as the players get 20% rebate on all losses.
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November 18th, 2021 at 6:45:53 AM permalink
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Quote: Starburger

I have a radical idea. Casinos should just automatically add a 20 percent tip of all jackpots to be split among all of the employees who processed the jackpot. Many restaurants add an automatic 20 percent tip to meals, casinos should follow suit. It would prevent a lot of hassles, employees are guaranteed something, players don't feel pressured to give a lot of money when the tip is automatically added. It's a win win situation. Think of how relieved you feel when tip is automatically put on your restaurant bill. The same would go for jackpots at a casino.
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I donít feel relieved when a tip is automatically added to a restaurant bill. 20 % added on all slot jackpots, thatís fine as long as the players get 20% rebate on all losses.
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People can factor in what they might tip on certain outcomes as an increase to the House Edge (or not) in whatever way they want to. However, if tips of 20% were MANDATORY, then there's simply no getting around the fact that the effective House Edge of the game is increased.

For example, even with a $0.50 denomination Jacks or Better game that would have no taxables other than the Royal, the pays on the Royal go from 800-FOR-1 to effectively 640-FOR-1, with additional strategy adjustments that would have to be made accordingly. Effectively, the return of the game would drop to 99.1774%, on 9/6, which reflects a roughly 0.3665% increase to the House Edge.
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November 18th, 2021 at 9:24:03 AM permalink
Regarding the previous post on Self Pay, I believe more casinos will be implementing the hand pays to automatically become electronic. The Cosmo already does this. We already do this at self service cash machines, you can cash your ticket there vs going to the cage however there is a limit, so anything over a 1000 at my regular casino I must use the cage.
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November 18th, 2021 at 9:30:06 AM permalink
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Or how about more casinos just having self pay jackpots up to a certain amount

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November 18th, 2021 at 10:11:58 AM permalink
What is the benefit to the casino to do hand pays? It ties up at least one employee for an extended period, as well as shutting down a machine. I think they are required to collect tax information on some payouts but I'm not sure they gain anything by it. I played a promo at South Point where people were waiting close to an hour, it was so crowded.
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November 18th, 2021 at 11:10:18 AM permalink
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What is the benefit to the casino to do hand pays? It ties up at least one employee for an extended period, as well as shutting down a machine. I think they are required to collect tax information on some payouts but I'm not sure they gain anything by it. I played a promo at South Point where people were waiting close to an hour, it was so crowded.
I'm open to learning otherwise.
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Its gaming and federal laws. Yes, it's all about collecting tax information before you get paid. That includes table games, but the paperwork is processed by the floor. The day is coming when all machines are capable with self pay. With todays technology, you can do your taxes online, you can even enter a different country bypassing customs by using a kiosk if you are set up with global entry.
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November 18th, 2021 at 11:58:56 AM permalink
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Well from my standards, I was on the cheap side last night. After hitting a Royal for $2k, and netting $1520 after withholdings, I tipped $60. Took forever to get paid and I know why, the cage was overloaded with customers. But again, happy to wait.
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Easy Vegas suggests $20 on $1200, and $50 on $5000, so by those standards, you weren't cheap.
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So ballpark for a $ 4000 handpay, about $ 40 ? That is the RF on a $1 denom VP machine, so fairly common ?
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