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darkoz
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September 6th, 2019 at 9:34:56 AM permalink
Quote: Romes



I'd prefer not to =/. Are there state specific laws you're referring to possibly? It's not out west.



If its NY its easy.

But I doubt you would not be aware of how easy if you were in NY.

But just for the record, in NY, after 48 days, (used to be 45) the voucher can be cashed at any lotfery gaming facility even located in a different casino.

Getting around cashing locked vouchers is pretty laughable in NYS
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September 6th, 2019 at 9:35:08 AM permalink
Romes.

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darkoz
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September 6th, 2019 at 9:43:15 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

New information. You didn't say that he was playing with someone elses card. If he didn't use freeplay from the card, just say someone must have left it in the machine. If he did use freeplay, suck it up and take your medicine or just abandon the ticket.



Only Ploppies suck it up and take medicine

Any AP worth his salt will explore every opportunity and most likely succeed in the long run with getting their money paid.

Casinos regularly backroom people illegally. When a lawsuit is brought against them do they just suck it up and fork over money or do they try to fight it?

I mean, who just considers money thats at stake like its a dropped candy bar (hell I might even try to clean off the candy bar if it fell the right way but thats me)
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September 6th, 2019 at 9:46:20 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

If it was PA, be very careful. They can be strict and a pain in the butt.



i almost got into a fight yesterday from a guy who claimed that he saw people get arrested at sands bethelehem for using other peoples cards...

now i know a former slot manager and he tells me otherwise...

id like to know where this information about people getting in trouble for using another persons card came from...

got any articles pertaining to someone getting arrested or into any trouble for doing what were talking about? i dont care if its in PA or somewhere else
darkoz
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September 6th, 2019 at 9:53:47 AM permalink
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i almost got into a fight yesterday from a guy who claimed that he saw people get arrested at sands bethelehem for using other peoples cards...

now i know a former slot manager and he tells me otherwise...

id like to know where this information about people getting in trouble for using another persons card came from...

got any articles pertaining to someone getting arrested or into any trouble for doing what were talking about? i dont care if its in PA or somewhere else



There were some people facing criminal charges a few yeard ago for using other people players cards in PA.

The information was unclear about how they were being used so people started assuming it was illegal there.

I am pretty certain the freeplay being used was withOUT permission of the cardholders hence the criminal charges.

I was caught perhaps a year later using other players cards in PA with police onsight to investigate and once I proved I had the players permission I not only was released (held for less than 10 minutes) but I was cashed out for all the vouchers I had which was a significant amount.

So I speak from personal knowledge. Its not illegal in Pa.
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DRich
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September 6th, 2019 at 9:56:49 AM permalink
Quote: heatmap

i almost got into a fight yesterday from a guy who claimed that he saw people get arrested at sands bethelehem for using other peoples cards...

now i know a former slot manager and he tells me otherwise...

id like to know where this information about people getting in trouble for using another persons card came from...

got any articles pertaining to someone getting arrested or into any trouble for doing what were talking about? i dont care if its in PA or somewhere else



The argument is if you use someone elses freeplay. The casino claims the freeplay belongs to them until claimed by the person who's card it belongs to. They can claim fraud and theft, the same as if someone won a prize at a casino drawing and you try to claim that prize by representing yourself as the other person.

I would be very interested if Bob Nersesian would represent someone caught playing freeplay on another persons card.
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September 6th, 2019 at 10:06:35 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Romes, were you using your own card or someone elses? If someone elses did you collect freeplay? If this is in Nevada I know many of the Gaming Enforcement agents that you will likely talk to.

The phone number for Nevada Gaming Enforcement is: 702-486-2020. You should keep this in your phone.

Is this phone number of an individual agent who understands Advantage play enough to realize the difference between illegal activity and "fair play".?

If so, that's great news.
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darkoz
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September 6th, 2019 at 10:19:15 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

The argument is if you use someone elses freeplay. The casino claims the freeplay belongs to them until claimed by the person who's card it belongs to. They can claim fraud and theft, the same as if someone won a prize at a casino drawing and you try to claim that prize by representing yourself as the other person.

I would be very interested if Bob Nersesian would represent someone caught playing freeplay on another persons card.



Drich

That is just totally wrong.

Nice imagination though

Yes, Bob does represent people who used other peoples players cards with the permission of those players.

No, the casino cannot deny the payout becauseit came from freeplay another persons card. When one casino tried that on me do you know what I did? I called gaming which forced them to pay me.

See, the law is on my side on this issue.

The handing of a players card for me to use is no different than if you handed me your credit card with permission to use it. Am I committing credit card fraud if you gave me permission to make a purchase?

Oh wait, you probably figure it is, lol.
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mcallister3200
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September 6th, 2019 at 10:27:28 AM permalink
Speaking of Bob N, I have heard he isnít taking on new clients anymore.
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September 6th, 2019 at 10:51:54 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz



I am pretty certain the freeplay being used was withOUT permission of the cardholders hence the criminal charges.

Good chance fake ID was being used in order to get players cards and earn free play.
In some states I'm pretty sure it's illegal to even possess a fake ID.

How many PA casinos have you been banned from? Obviously, you don't have to answer that.
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