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Edpokernut
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November 22nd, 2018 at 2:31:41 PM permalink
Should defective machines remain on the floor as long as the algorithm is working? Imagine a real is one off, fooling the customer into thinking he has won- casino will just say its a malfunction and won't have to pay? I wonder if the opposite has ever happened- where a player thinking he didn't win anything (because of a malfunction), had actually hit a jackpot. (I guess not, since all malfunctions void all pays, therefore malfunctions can only benefit the casino.)
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November 22nd, 2018 at 5:27:37 PM permalink
Malfunctions can only help the casino. Imagine if you hit the 777 or whatever the jackpot is, they check, and determine it malfunctioned. You donít get paid. On the other hand, suppose you were supposed to hit 777, but it malfunctioned and you got nothing. Casino isnít going to ďverifyĒ the $0 payout wasnít a malfunction.

Iím not saying thatís what happened in this case, but a different scenario.


I also wonder how frequently or infrequently thereís a malfunction (say, the 2ís complement malfunction where you get a jackpot for multi millions) and customer doesnít get reimbursed his $3.60 or however much he bet.

Edit: Although I wouldnít necessarily consider that a malfunction, just poor coding.
tringlomane
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November 22nd, 2018 at 7:31:51 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I was just about to post this but I think this casino is where one of our forum members works so I didnt post it.



Zcore13 doesn't work there. And he would also have the integrity to man up and pay this out in full.

I really hope the negative press costs them more than $46k in the end. If this story convinces 10 decent size players ($5000 annual loss) to quit playing there, then they'll be down more money within a year.

Also Harrah's LV had people on Twitter questioning this payout. This was 8X blue.

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November 22nd, 2018 at 8:09:50 PM permalink
Looks to me like they have the wrong reel strips in there, but that should have been noticed a long time ago. The casinoís story is BS.
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DRich
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November 22nd, 2018 at 8:14:46 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Zcore13 doesn't work there. And he would also have the integrity to man up and pay this out in full.

I really hope the negative press costs them more than $46k in the end. If this story convinces 10 decent size players ($5000 annual loss) to quit playing there, then they'll be down more money within a year.

Also Harrah's LV had people on Twitter questioning this payout. This was 8X blue.



Did the player play 2 credits? If they only played 1 credit they should have got $50k but only got $40k. It looks to me like it might have evaluated it as 8x Red 7's which makes more sense than 8x Blue 7's.
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November 22nd, 2018 at 8:31:10 PM permalink
Quote: DRich


Did the player play 2 credits? If they only played 1 credit they should have got $50k but only got $40k. It looks to me like it might have evaluated it as 8x Red 7's which makes more sense than 8x Blue 7's.



You can faintly see at the lower right that they wagered 2 credits.
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smoothgrh
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November 22nd, 2018 at 8:37:47 PM permalink
Waitaminute, in the news report, the guy has a video of the three "Double-7" symbols lined up. The "Double-7" symbol is the top symbol.

There are regular 7s, which could be red or orange, but regardless of whether a light was burned out (the slots probably use LEDs, so the "burned out light" story is also dubious), he got all three of the top symbols!

Also, misaligned reel strips would become obvious with just a small amount of play. Maybe there's a whopper of a malfunction in the computer.
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November 22nd, 2018 at 8:51:01 PM permalink
Quote: smoothgrh

Waitaminute, in the news report, the guy has a video of the three "Double-7" symbols lined up. The "Double-7" symbol is the top symbol.

There are regular 7s, which could be red or orange, but regardless of whether a light was burned out (the slots probably use LEDs, so the "burned out light" story is also dubious), he got all three of the top symbols!

Also, misaligned reel strips would become obvious with just a small amount of play. Maybe there's a whopper of a malfunction in the computer.



That game has regular and double symbols for all three colors of 7s. Only the red 7 double appears separately in the paytable, though.
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RS
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November 22nd, 2018 at 9:44:26 PM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

That game has regular and double symbols for all three colors of 7s. Only the red 7 double appears separately in the paytable, though.


Are you saying (for the most recent picture), it should have paid $5k for 3 blue 7's, but then x8 for the doubles, making it pay $40k? That's the only thing that seems to match up to the payout.
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November 22nd, 2018 at 11:29:54 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Zcore13 doesn't work there. And he would also have the integrity to man up and pay this out in full.

I really hope the negative press costs them more than $46k in the end. If this story convinces 10 decent size players ($5000 annual loss) to quit playing there, then they'll be down more money within a year.

Also Harrah's LV had people on Twitter questioning this payout. This was 8X blue.

Does anyone know if if this went though all the NGC stages? This is something they usually rule in favor of the player in the end.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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